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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Iron_Man on April 25, 2013, 09:36:26 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y3pPIIOOLhg
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yeah Crooked I had already shed light on this in a long interview, props for the link.
with hindsight he made a bad decision but at the time it seemed right, death row still had hopes of resurging, and then again, he knew he would have to wait on aftermath, so maybe his career would have stalled just like it did when he was on tha row. i bet crooked I gets stuck in the past though between having recorded full length albums for tha row with guests and some buzz and the possibility of having signed on aftermath and blowing up and that's why he can't get himself to release a lower-budget album
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Crooked woulda killed it as a guest on 2001
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Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
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From what I understand he didn't choose - he signed with Daz, and when Daz left Death Row, Daz sold the rights to Crooked I, Mac Shawn, and Lil C-Style to Death Row.
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Crooked I is an idiot. I used to be a massive fan of his, but he could very easily revive his career if he would just start releasing albums on cdbaby or somewhere and just start dropping albums once a year. If he was consistent, he could rebuild his fan-base and start to assemble a real catalog...maybe even get noticed by majors again.
COB needs to follow the example of TDE. The reason they're doing so well was because they consistently released stuff and built a fanbase. And not only that, TDE didn't follow trends they let the trend come to them.
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interesting interview. there's a picture of Dre and Crooked I from that time period, right?
yeah Crooked I had already shed light on this in a long interview, props for the link.
with hindsight he made a bad decision but at the time it seemed right, death row still had hopes of resurging, and then again, he knew he would have to wait on aftermath, so maybe his career would have stalled just like it did when he was on tha row. i bet crooked I gets stuck in the past though between having recorded full length albums for tha row with guests and some buzz and the possibility of having signed on aftermath and blowing up and that's why he can't get himself to release a lower-budget album
i doubt he would have released an album on aftermath, who knows. though im sure being around dre would have opened some doors for him
Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
first time i hear this too. well i'm sure dre still has some songs left. apparently King T recorded vocals to the beat of Hello
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COB needs to follow the example of TDE. The reason they're doing so well was because they consistently released stuff and built a fanbase. And not only that, TDE didn't follow trends they let the trend come to them.
Yeah, there's some money coming in for them. Speaking of which, who is the guy with the Staples Center floor seats rocking all the red TDE shit? He sits on the left side of the tables.
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Crooked I is an idiot. I used to be a massive fan of his, but he could very easily revive his career if he would just start releasing albums on cdbaby or somewhere and just start dropping albums once a year. If he was consistent, he could rebuild his fan-base and start to assemble a real catalog...maybe even get noticed by majors again.
COB needs to follow the example of TDE. The reason they're doing so well was because they consistently released stuff and built a fanbase. And not only that, TDE didn't follow trends they let the trend come to them.
doing songs with Eminem isn't enough to get him noticed by majors?? ???
anyways Crooked dropped his hottest project to date last year (pslam) which was 100% original music...basically an album. People need to stop acting like he only drops freestyles cuz he has quite a bit of retail music on itunes now.
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I'll be honest with you, Hack. I used to be a bigger Crook stan than you, but when I lost my whole collection of songs because my hard drive died, I got really pissed off. How the hell am I supposed to find all the songs of his I had and lost?
If he had any sense he'd go back in his catalog and drop the loose tracks in album form and quality and start continuously dropping albums so he can do something real, but he keeps wasting time thinking someone like Eminem will take him by the hand and walk him to the top. Pfft. Not happening.
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I'll be honest with you, Hack. I used to be a bigger Crook stan than you, but when I lost my whole collection of songs because my hard drive died, I got really pissed off. How the hell am I supposed to find all the songs of his I had and lost?
If he had any sense he'd go back in his catalog and drop the loose tracks in album form and quality and start continuously dropping albums so he can do something real, but he keeps wasting time thinking someone like Eminem will take him by the hand and walk him to the top. Pfft. Not happening.
you can say what you want about crooked, i know when it´s about release dates he´s a clown but every slaughterhouse song he ripped his verses and eminem is not dumb he saw what he did, he did a great job for his verses but those beasts and song ideas are garbage...we all knows that.
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COB needs to follow the example of TDE. The reason they're doing so well was because they consistently released stuff and built a fanbase. And not only that, TDE didn't follow trends they let the trend come to them.
Yeah, there's some money coming in for them. Speaking of which, who is the guy with the Staples Center floor seats rocking all the red TDE shit? He sits on the left side of the tables.
I wondered the same thing too. I think thats Punch, CEO of TDE. Thats someone you rarely see or hear about which is a good thing as he just stays low key and behind the scenes. If you want a CEO whos not all over the records.... All in the videos.... Come to Top Dawg Entertainment!
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COB needs to follow the example of TDE. The reason they're doing so well was because they consistently released stuff and built a fanbase. And not only that, TDE didn't follow trends they let the trend come to them.
Yeah, there's some money coming in for them. Speaking of which, who is the guy with the Staples Center floor seats rocking all the red TDE shit? He sits on the left side of the tables.
I wondered the same thing too. I think thats Punch, CEO of TDE. Thats someone you rarely see or hear about which is a good thing as he just stays low key and behind the scenes. If you want a CEO whos not all over the records.... All in the videos.... Come to Top Dawg Entertainment!
;D props
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I've been saying for years Crooked I is not an album artist. He will kill verses, kill freestyles, but don't expect anything beyond that.
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I've been saying for years Crooked I is not an album artist. He will kill verses, kill freestyles, but don't expect anything beyond that.
Lol, sad shit is I don't have any rebuttals for that haha
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I've been saying for years Crooked I is not an album artist. He will kill verses, kill freestyles, but don't expect anything beyond that.
for me crooked I = freestyles and he is the only responsible, an artist isn't onle rap, you must find good deal's to and sale your self!
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http://www.youtube.com/v/TTDw4fCm2-Y
if Crooked I had released an album full of songs like this back in the late 90's - early 00's, it would have been nice
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I think it's something where it's just hard to sell well if you're both gangsta and really lyrical...
Gangsta stuff often suits a simpler style, like Snoop when he was doing gangsta stuff or Mack 10, etc. it's more about the attitude and sounding
laidback and dope, not really about going crazy with the rhymes.
Even Ice Cube, he gets into complex content on his classics, but he's not doing like lyrical acrobatics with the flow.
Fans who are like, "I like songs about people shooting other people and fucking bitches and starting beefs"
are usually quite different to the fans who are like, "I like complex references and rhyme schemes and intricate rhythms"...
If you mix the two together, I think it can turn off both audiences sometimes... the gangsta fans don't get the
complexity and the complex fans don't like the violence, etc.
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I hope Dre still wants to fuck with Crooked I. He could make Crooked drop that album.
interesting interview. there's a picture of Dre and Crooked I from that time period, right?
Yeah, it was a good interview. The picture you're talkin about is from the video shoot of "Hello" if i remember right.
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I think it's something where it's just hard to sell well if you're both gangsta and really lyrical...
Gangsta stuff often suits a simpler style, like Snoop when he was doing gangsta stuff or Mack 10, etc. it's more about the attitude and sounding
laidback and dope, not really about going crazy with the rhymes.
Even Ice Cube, he gets into complex content on his classics, but he's not doing like lyrical acrobatics with the flow.
Fans who are like, "I like songs about people shooting other people and fucking bitches and starting beefs"
are usually quite different to the fans who are like, "I like complex references and rhyme schemes and intricate rhythms"...
If you mix the two together, I think it can turn off both audiences sometimes... the gangsta fans don't get the
complexity and the complex fans don't like the violence, etc.
yeah there is no marktet out there for Crooked I, there might have been once but not anymore...
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i wish Eminem did an EP with Crooked instead of Royce
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good thing he didnt sign to dre.his career would of ended up where bishop lamount career is at.dre had alot of dudes signed to him that ust never came out.he used them to write alot o fmusic from him & than droped them
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From what I understand he didn't choose - he signed with Daz, and when Daz left Death Row, Daz sold the rights to Crooked I, Mac Shawn, and Lil C-Style to Death Row.
If i remember right, Lil Style was never signed to Death Row. I wonder if anybody still has that old interview he did with WCRydaz.
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I hope Dre still wants to fuck with Crooked I. He could make Crooked drop that album.
interesting interview. there's a picture of Dre and Crooked I from that time period, right?
Yeah, it was a good interview. The picture you're talkin about is from the video shoot of "Hello" if i remember right.
i see. i think i've seen it posted here once, maybe in the big picture topic
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Dre's wearin' the same jacket and clothing he did on the "Hello" video. There's also a third dude in the picture, don't know who he is though.
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Dre's wearin' the same jacket and clothing he did on the "Hello" video. There's also a third dude in the picture, don't know who he is though.
that third guy you speakin on is jaycee it´s crook´s manager.
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Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
of course.....dre does at least 50-100 tracks per album, if not more, and picks the best ones. theres probably TONS of King-T material sitting in Dre's vault (along with Rakim, Hittman, Slim the Mobster, and every1 else he's ever worked with)
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Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
of course.....dre does at least 50-100 tracks per album, if not more, and picks the best ones. theres probably TONS of King-T material sitting in Dre's vault (along with Rakim, Hittman, Slim the Mobster, and every1 else he's ever worked with)
i asked tray dee how Nothin has changed came about and he said he visited the studio when King T and G Rap were doing the song and they randomly asked him to write a quick verse and hop on the 3rd verse
that song is the shit
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Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
of course.....dre does at least 50-100 tracks per album, if not more, and picks the best ones. theres probably TONS of King-T material sitting in Dre's vault (along with Rakim, Hittman, Slim the Mobster, and every1 else he's ever worked with)
There isn't a lot of Rakim material in the vaults. He wasn't even really workin' with Dre that much.
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Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
of course.....dre does at least 50-100 tracks per album, if not more, and picks the best ones. theres probably TONS of King-T material sitting in Dre's vault (along with Rakim, Hittman, Slim the Mobster, and every1 else he's ever worked with)
There isn't a lot of Rakim material in the vaults. He wasn't even really workin' with Dre that much.
not true
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I think it's something where it's just hard to sell well if you're both gangsta and really lyrical...
Gangsta stuff often suits a simpler style, like Snoop when he was doing gangsta stuff or Mack 10, etc. it's more about the attitude and sounding
laidback and dope, not really about going crazy with the rhymes.
Even Ice Cube, he gets into complex content on his classics, but he's not doing like lyrical acrobatics with the flow.
Fans who are like, "I like songs about people shooting other people and fucking bitches and starting beefs"
are usually quite different to the fans who are like, "I like complex references and rhyme schemes and intricate rhythms"...
If you mix the two together, I think it can turn off both audiences sometimes... the gangsta fans don't get the
complexity and the complex fans don't like the violence, etc.
On point. The Horse Shoe Gang is THE prime example for that. They're killing 99.9 percent of all rappers but lyrically they don't have much appeal to most fans of Gangsta Rap. Otherwise Julius Luciano would be recognized as one of the best out today.
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Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
of course.....dre does at least 50-100 tracks per album, if not more, and picks the best ones. theres probably TONS of King-T material sitting in Dre's vault (along with Rakim, Hittman, Slim the Mobster, and every1 else he's ever worked with)
There isn't a lot of Rakim material in the vaults. He wasn't even really workin' with Dre that much.
not true
According to Big Chuck, Dre would put Rakim in the studio with other producers and not even work with him. I believe that's one of the real reasons Rakim left.
You can believe what you want though, like you always do even if you heard it from the mouth of a credible source.
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I think it's something where it's just hard to sell well if you're both gangsta and really lyrical...
Gangsta stuff often suits a simpler style, like Snoop when he was doing gangsta stuff or Mack 10, etc. it's more about the attitude and sounding
laidback and dope, not really about going crazy with the rhymes.
Even Ice Cube, he gets into complex content on his classics, but he's not doing like lyrical acrobatics with the flow.
Fans who are like, "I like songs about people shooting other people and fucking bitches and starting beefs"
are usually quite different to the fans who are like, "I like complex references and rhyme schemes and intricate rhythms"...
If you mix the two together, I think it can turn off both audiences sometimes... the gangsta fans don't get the
complexity and the complex fans don't like the violence, etc.
Gangsta rap isn't popular anymore, lyrical or not.
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I think it's something where it's just hard to sell well if you're both gangsta and really lyrical...
Gangsta stuff often suits a simpler style, like Snoop when he was doing gangsta stuff or Mack 10, etc. it's more about the attitude and sounding
laidback and dope, not really about going crazy with the rhymes.
Even Ice Cube, he gets into complex content on his classics, but he's not doing like lyrical acrobatics with the flow.
Fans who are like, "I like songs about people shooting other people and fucking bitches and starting beefs"
are usually quite different to the fans who are like, "I like complex references and rhyme schemes and intricate rhythms"...
If you mix the two together, I think it can turn off both audiences sometimes... the gangsta fans don't get the
complexity and the complex fans don't like the violence, etc.
Gangsta rap isn't popular anymore, lyrical or not.
it can be, easily
real rap fans just need to stop supporting the fake and/or trending toward the fake shit out there. similar to fight club, the first rule of being a real rap fan is to not talk about the fake shit
so forget any lil wayne, birdman, 2 chainz, kanye or drake shit
and for any real rapper you like, just have patience.
that's all.
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Interesting that he was featured on King T's Aftermath LP - that means there are still some unleaked tracks left off those sessions 8)
of course.....dre does at least 50-100 tracks per album, if not more, and picks the best ones. theres probably TONS of King-T material sitting in Dre's vault (along with Rakim, Hittman, Slim the Mobster, and every1 else he's ever worked with)
There isn't a lot of Rakim material in the vaults. He wasn't even really workin' with Dre that much.
not true
According to Big Chuck, Dre would put Rakim in the studio with other producers and not even work with him. I believe that's one of the real reasons Rakim left.
You can believe what you want though, like you always do even if you heard it from the mouth of a credible source.
they still did their share of work, and dre still has a vault fulla rakim tracks, whether it be from work he did with rakim, or shit rakim did under aftermath without dre present, dre still was the one who ended up with the master once tracks were completed.
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I think it's something where it's just hard to sell well if you're both gangsta and really lyrical...
Gangsta stuff often suits a simpler style, like Snoop when he was doing gangsta stuff or Mack 10, etc. it's more about the attitude and sounding
laidback and dope, not really about going crazy with the rhymes.
Even Ice Cube, he gets into complex content on his classics, but he's not doing like lyrical acrobatics with the flow.
Fans who are like, "I like songs about people shooting other people and fucking bitches and starting beefs"
are usually quite different to the fans who are like, "I like complex references and rhyme schemes and intricate rhythms"...
If you mix the two together, I think it can turn off both audiences sometimes... the gangsta fans don't get the
complexity and the complex fans don't like the violence, etc.
Gangsta rap isn't popular anymore, lyrical or not.
it can be, easily
real rap fans just need to stop supporting the fake and/or trending toward the fake shit out there. similar to fight club, the first rule of being a real rap fan is to not talk about the fake shit
so forget any lil wayne, birdman, 2 chainz, kanye or drake shit
and for any real rapper you like, just have patience.
that's all.
I guess the question is though - "What is real?"
Does "real" mean rapping about a lot of the violent themes that SOME (not all) gangster rappers rhymed about in the 90s? If so, as you know, not all rappers were out there doing dirt. A lot of it was for entertainment purposes even back then. In some cases it was just rapping about stuff that may go on in their neighborhoods.
If not keeping it real is how people like Lil Wayne raps about taking Molly, popping bottles and driving sports cards... I'd have to disagree. That's what is real to him. He DOES do that.
I'm assuming you mean creating music with content. Meaningful topics, thought provoking songs.