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Title: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 05, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
Howcome Daz used to be huge and talked about on mtv, the box, all the video interviews all the time....everyone cared about him and what he was doing....and now it's like he isn't even mentioned and nobody except a few care.... he used to be the biggest producer and one of the dopest rappers in the game....how do you fall that hard?

I mean...look at e-40 and too short they were huge back then but now they are huge too .... e-40 might even be bigger than he was....why have daz and kurupt fallen so hard off the map and e-40 has gotten bigger -- aren't you supposed to expand and become huger over the course of time??

Daz's songs like "Git Drunk" "My Thang" and "Gangsta Rap" will be forgotten if he doesn't push his career up a little bit to lift his legacy...
He's a talented artist and he needs to pick his game up -- "4 the hood" was a dope single

I hope that Dr. Dre produces that album for Tha Dogg Pound and it goes huge..get Kendrick Lamar, Tyga, E-40, Too Short, etc. on there
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 05, 2013, 11:42:46 PM
You make it sound like Daz was a fucking household name.  He had some hit records but he was down with a hot label.  There's artists that were hot in 2005 that nobody is talking about anymore.  You're making it seem like he gradually dropped off the map.  It's been like 18 years since "Dogg Food".  It's not a knock on the dude but kids who grabbed their high school diplomas, this month, were just crawling out of their mom's vagina when that album came out.  You're back on your love33 over-exaggerated view of the past shit again where Mack 10, Luniz, and all these West Coast guys were these huge household names that were constantly getting played on MTV non-stop. It actually didn't happen like that though.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Shot Callin on June 06, 2013, 03:50:41 AM
Daz is tight. I haven't heard much new stuff from him recently but I have a feeling we will soon. He's always been a bit more underground than other artists because he's an independant artist, except for when he was producing on death row for pac and all them
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on June 06, 2013, 10:59:08 AM
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Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: run-of-the-millian on June 06, 2013, 11:14:52 AM
Howcome Daz used to be huge and talked about on mtv, the box, all the video interviews all the time....everyone cared about him and what he was doing....and now it's like he isn't even mentioned and nobody except a few care.... he used to be the biggest producer and one of the dopest rappers in the game....how do you fall that hard?

It's tough at the top and only a very very select few can maintain that kind of success for decades. Snoop is the chosen one from the DPG camp... Daz is doing pretty well for a "has been" still making dope music and even trading features with artists that are currently popular.

I mean...look at e-40 and too short they were huge back then but now they are huge too .... e-40 might even be bigger than he was....why have daz and kurupt fallen so hard off the map and e-40 has gotten bigger -- aren't you supposed to expand and become huger over the course of time??

Well E-40 was never as popular as Daz at his peak. And his career has been pretty exceptional, not the norm. He has been able to get bigger by working hard to both keep his existing fans happy and expanding his sound and listener base.

You make it sound like Daz was a fucking household name.  He had some hit records but he was down with a hot label.  There's artists that were hot in 2005 that nobody is talking about anymore.  You're making it seem like he gradually dropped off the map.  It's been like 18 years since "Dogg Food".  It's not a knock on the dude but kids who grabbed their high school diplomas, this month, were just crawling out of their mom's vagina when that album came out.  You're back on your love33 over-exaggerated view of the past shit again where Mack 10, Luniz, and all these West Coast guys were these huge household names that were constantly getting played on MTV non-stop. It actually didn't happen like that though.

Nah you're not giving them enough credit. They were huge. All around the world, just look at the international nature of this forum.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Sir Petey on June 06, 2013, 11:31:32 AM
you are wrong about e40 and the daz thing.


e40 owned his label and made mad indepndant moves was all over pop charts and pop radio daz's pinnacle in the rap game was his verse on doggy dogg world and thats real talk.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: HighEyeCue on June 06, 2013, 12:54:44 PM
Daz couldn't go gold back in '98...just sayin
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on June 06, 2013, 01:20:05 PM
Daz couldn't go gold back in '98...just sayin

and that's despite having Snoop and 2pac on his album
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on June 06, 2013, 01:28:35 PM
Daz had his chance with so so def but it didn't work.

He needs better promotion though rather than just the internet.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 06, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
Plus E-40 had some big mainstream hits further into his career, well into the 2000s.  Plus when the Bay was really hitting with that hyphy shit, he was around.  And he never burned any bridges either or was being an internet gangster.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on June 06, 2013, 02:18:40 PM
And he never burned any bridges either or was being an internet gangster.

DING DING DING DING DING


E-40 never went online to do interviews calling 2pac's mom a crackhead and he didn't rip off 2,000 fans by charging them 50 dollars for some CD and not mailing it out :D
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Morphine on June 06, 2013, 03:30:16 PM
  And he never burned any bridges either or was being an internet gangster.

daz on the other hand burned a lot of bridges from bay to atlanta. word is they could see the smoke all the way from Nashville.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: UCC on June 06, 2013, 04:57:30 PM
over-exaggerated view of the past shit again where Mack 10, Luniz, and all these West Coast guys were these huge household names that were constantly getting played on MTV non-stop. It actually didn't happen like that though.

Luniz's "I Got 5 On It" was on MTV all the time, like there was a period when you heard that song everywhere, very big hit all around the world...

Dogg Pound's "NY NY" was played a lot too, not quite as much as the Luniz song, but people knew who they were because of Snoop, Death Row, etc.
If not the singles, a lot of people knew the album, same with Luniz's debut as well...

Mack 10 I agree wasn't as widely known, but then again a LOT of people did know "Bow Down" as a song, which he was on, so...
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 06, 2013, 05:49:03 PM
You make it sound like Daz was a fucking household name.  He had some hit records but he was down with a hot label.  There's artists that were hot in 2005 that nobody is talking about anymore.

I disagree -- Daz was a household name -- Everyone was talking about "Dogg Food" after "Doggystyle" and the soundtracks Death Row were releasing.  How could you forget about "What Would U Do?" didn't that get nominated for a Grammy if I remember? That was one of the sickest songs to ever come out.  There were HUGE tracks on that album like "NY NY" (dissing the East coast -- Daz wasn't on the song but on the video), "Lets Play House," "One By One," "Reality" & "Respect" which Dr. Dre mixed but Daz produced.  After Dr. Dre was out at Tha Row, Suge & Pac were touting Daz as the main producer.  I still remember the interviews were Suge was talking about how Dre wasn't producing the tracks.  Daz's pinnacle accomplishments of his career are the multi-platinum 'Dogg Food' and being credited alongside Johnny J as the main producers behind the "All Eyez On Me" album.  Daz was considered by many in the discussion for #1 producer at one point of his career.  Also, in 1998, to my knowledge of what Suge said "Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back" is a Gold album.  The album had song solid tracks "In California," "It Might Sound Crazy," etc.  When he got booted off Tha Row in 1999 and took a lot of his tracks and released "R.A.W."...which was a nice underground album.  "Who Ride Wt Us" was a nice record in 1999.  He followed with a couple nice underground albums, and a couple flops.  And then they had the big hit with Jay-Z "Change The Game Remix" which appeared on the DJ Clue album and Tha Dogg Pound "2002" album (which debuted #36 on the Billboard Charts, and debuted #2 on the Billboard Top Independent ALbums.)

You look at his career and they released a half notable song and video "Forever And A Day" and it didn't generate any buzz.  Other than that, as many pointed out -- he's underachieved.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on June 06, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
Daz was well known within the rap game


but let's not act like he was 1/3 as known as Snoop was (or is)
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 06, 2013, 06:08:56 PM
Daz had his chance with so so def but it didn't work.

He needs better promotion though rather than just the internet.

I think Daz burned his bridges with So So Def.  JD didn't like that shit with him releasing "independent albums" while he was trying to develop a buzz and promote "So So Gangsta" -- he couldn't develop any buzz for the album with Daz releasing all the independent shit killin his own mainstream album
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Sir Petey on June 06, 2013, 07:20:56 PM
You make it sound like Daz was a fucking household name.  He had some hit records but he was down with a hot label.  There's artists that were hot in 2005 that nobody is talking about anymore.

I disagree -- Daz was a household name -- Everyone was talking about "Dogg Food" after "Doggystyle" and the soundtracks Death Row were releasing.  How could you forget about "What Would U Do?" didn't that get nominated for a Grammy if I remember? That was one of the sickest songs to ever come out.  There were HUGE tracks on that album like "NY NY" (dissing the East coast -- Daz wasn't on the song but on the video), "Lets Play House," "One By One," "Reality" & "Respect" which Dr. Dre mixed but Daz produced.  After Dr. Dre was out at Tha Row, Suge & Pac were touting Daz as the main producer.  I still remember the interviews were Suge was talking about how Dre wasn't producing the tracks.  Daz's pinnacle accomplishments of his career are the multi-platinum 'Dogg Food' and being credited alongside Johnny J as the main producers behind the "All Eyez On Me" album.  Daz was considered by many in the discussion for #1 producer at one point of his career.  Also, in 1998, to my knowledge of what Suge said "Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back" is a Gold album.  The album had song solid tracks "In California," "It Might Sound Crazy," etc.  When he got booted off Tha Row in 1999 and took a lot of his tracks and released "R.A.W."...which was a nice underground album.  "Who Ride Wt Us" was a nice record in 1999.  He followed with a couple nice underground albums, and a couple flops.  And then they had the big hit with Jay-Z "Change The Game Remix" which appeared on the DJ Clue album and Tha Dogg Pound "2002" album (which debuted #36 on the Billboard Charts, and debuted #2 on the Billboard Top Independent ALbums.)

You look at his career and they released a half notable song and video "Forever And A Day" and it didn't generate any buzz.  Other than that, as many pointed out -- he's underachieved.


a household name means a cat that transcends his lil niche no one who didnt follow gangsta rap knew daz or mack 10 lol



you think people were checking the news in the morning to see what daz did last night in the mid 90s? he never had that kind of celebrity status...might have been a household name in YOUR house.


if thats the case your household probably sucked lol
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 06, 2013, 07:25:45 PM
I disagree -- Daz was a household name -- Everyone was talking about "Dogg Food" after "Doggystyle" and the soundtracks Death Row were releasing.  How could you forget about "What Would U Do?" didn't that get nominated for a Grammy if I remember? That was one of the sickest songs to ever come out.  There were HUGE tracks on that album like "NY NY" (dissing the East coast -- Daz wasn't on the song but on the video), "Lets Play House," "One By One," "Reality" & "Respect" which Dr. Dre mixed but Daz produced.
Not really.  DOGG POUND was the household name.  It's like Bone Thugs, in 1995-1996-1997.  Most people who listened to any hip-hop knew who they were and probably had one of their albums.  But could people name the members?  Likely not, outside of the more hardcore audience.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 06, 2013, 10:22:45 PM
I'd say from a notoriety standpoint, Daz in the 90's was Bizzare from D-12 in the mid-2000's but even then, I would say Bizzare had more MTV play. This isn't a knock on nobody either but some of you are definitely remembering the 90's different from how they actually went down. Daz had a good buzz as part of Tha Dogg Pound but they weren't playing "New York, New York" or "What Would You Do?" around the clock on MTV. It might have got some spins from time to time but I'll tell you actually having a decent recollection of things that 1995's big crossover shit was "Gangster's Paradise". Dogg Food sold off the strength but it wasn't a huge crossover album in a lot of areas.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: bouli77 on June 06, 2013, 10:23:48 PM
1) Daz's RR&GB never went gold, even Snoop said it.

2) Daz a solo act was never a household name. Tha Dogg Pound are barely a household name in the rap game, and that's because Snoop repped it hard in his songs, otherwise they're known as Snoop's weed carrier. Daz is known primarily as the other dude from Tha Dogg Pound. Daz is however well known inside the rap game, he has collab'd with pretty much everybody, and he still collabs today (Freddie Gibbs, Curren$y, Jeezy, etc.)

3) E-40 is WAY more popular than Daz ever was. You have an entire region pledging allegiance to E-40, not to mention the impact E-40 has had on the game. besides E-40 has gold and platinum solo albums, Daz wishes he had one.

4) I missed your threads love33
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Morphine on June 07, 2013, 03:00:18 AM
Dogg Food hit the charts around the world but Daz was never really famous .


gotta say , his doggy dogg world verse his best work ever. i donīt know if he wrote it but he shined there. 


thatīs about all the positive things i can think about the asshole called Daz.lol
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Okka on June 07, 2013, 04:57:19 AM
over-exaggerated view of the past shit again where Mack 10, Luniz, and all these West Coast guys were these huge household names that were constantly getting played on MTV non-stop. It actually didn't happen like that though.

Luniz's "I Got 5 On It" was on MTV all the time, like there was a period when you heard that song everywhere, very big hit all around the world...

Dogg Pound's "NY NY" was played a lot too, not quite as much as the Luniz song, but people knew who they were because of Snoop, Death Row, etc.
If not the singles, a lot of people knew the album, same with Luniz's debut as well...

Mack 10 I agree wasn't as widely known, but then again a LOT of people did know "Bow Down" as a song, which he was on, so...

Damn, even my Mother loves "I Got 5 On It", you really can't compare that song with anything that Tha Dogg Pound has put out.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 07, 2013, 10:27:17 AM
aren't you supposed to expand and become huger over the course of time??
 

Only in the literal sense.  I'm not sure where you got this theory in regards to music careers.  Apparently, you aren't familiar with the "fifteen minutes of fame" theory. Only a rare few in the business have longevity and those that do still have to deal with peaks and valleys.

Daz's strongest selling efforts were as part of Tha Dogg Pound, whose buzz was maintained through Snoop's momentum. Both they and Rage were in a great spot to be the shining new stars at Death Row but once Pac arrived, it became about building around him. By the time, he was out of the picture, things had changed too much. There was no Dr. Dre, Tupac was dead, and even Snoop was not doing business like he once did.

When Daz left Death Row, he was independent and not getting the kind of exposure one gets as part of one of the more important labels under the Interscope umbrella. I tried finding "Dillinger & Young Gotti"on the day it came out and not one record store in the area carried it. I didn't ended up tracking down a copy for months. They weren't allowed to use the name "Tha Dogg Pound" which was the moniker that sold however many million units with Dogg Food and Kurupt's name was also absent from the project. By contrast, Suge was able to put out an album, a few months later, in way more stores that featured a lot of songs already used on two or three of Daz's own DPG Recordz releases and sell more because he had better distribution and use of the name, "Tha Dogg Pound". And this is an album that wasn't even being promoted by the artists on the cover.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on June 07, 2013, 04:31:19 PM
Where did you live?  Dillinger & Young Gotti was available at a lot of places, as long as you weren't go to a big place like Best Buy.  I think I went to the Wherehouse and it was there.  It was easier to hunt down than R.A.W.

Speaking of which... anyone have a link to Dillinger & Young Gotti?  I had it but I accidentally broke the disc when I was in college back in 2001 :(
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 07, 2013, 05:25:19 PM
I live in Boston.  The stores had R.A.W. and the Get Low shit he did with JT The Bigga Figga but on street date, none of them had Dillinger & Young Gotti.  Eventually, Tower Records picked it up but for awhile, nobody had it. Around 2003, more stores started carrying DPG Recordz and Gangsta Advisory, I think he got a better distributor by then.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: .:Hercy Buggz:. on June 07, 2013, 05:52:07 PM
Daz was never famous or marketable, Kurupt had better success even on the east coast...but Daz as a solo artist was basically unknown
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on June 07, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Daz was never famous or marketable, Kurupt had better success even on the east coast...but Daz as a solo artist was basically unknown

he only sold 84,000 copies of RR&GB the first week


Snoop sold like a million lol
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 07, 2013, 06:20:28 PM

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2) Daz a solo act was never a household name. Tha Dogg Pound are barely a household name in the rap game, and that's because Snoop repped it hard in his songs, otherwise they're known as Snoop's weed carrier.
4) I missed your threads love33

Thanks bouli77.  I have to say that Daz was known as a great producer too.  Even though "Tha Dogg Pound" name carried the most weight, that was Daz & Kurupt on the cover, not Snoop -- Snoop, Dre, Suge definitely pumped the album and of course, the Interscope machine that backed Death Row.  I remember Dogg Pound doing interviews on tv to pump the album up and they had the radio in full rotation.  I remember most people thought Kurupt was the better emcee of the two when it came out -- I remember people saying "Kurupt's way better" and Kurupt had a buzz from 'Doggystyle' as being a dope emcee.  Look at G-Unit, do people just look at them as "50's gang" or do they look at guys like Game, Buck, Banks, and Yayo who have had successful albums (Game obviously stands above and beyond but Banks had two solid albums from a sales  standpoint -- I think people know who Lloyd Banks is.  So I guess it depends if you're talkin casual or hardcore rap fan.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: .:Hercy Buggz:. on June 07, 2013, 06:26:14 PM
Difference between g unit and dogg pound is that all of the artist had a fan base of their own, while Dogg Pound only had Snoop and Nate with mainstream success...and in 2013 tha dogg pound are only good as Snoops backup singers
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 07, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
I live in Boston.  The stores had R.A.W. and the Get Low shit he did with JT The Bigga Figga but on street date, none of them had Dillinger & Young Gotti.  Eventually, Tower Records picked it up but for awhile, nobody had it. Around 2003, more stores started carrying DPG Recordz and Gangsta Advisory, I think he got a better distributor by then.

Well then that exactly proves my point and explains the skewed views.  No diss to Boston, but they catered to the Eastcoast stronghold on their radio stations for the most part.  Yeah, they played "gin and juice" and "doggy dogg world" in your territory.. but for the most part, this was at the pinnacle of the east/west rivalry and Boston was part of the East stronghold and their playlists were not filled with west artists and they def weren't spinning their second and third singles beyond the snoop and dre stuff (i.e. "Playa Hata" was a hit by Luniz, "Backyard Boogie" & "Nuthin But the Cavi Hit" were not played in the east region like they were in the midwest & west).

The midwest in the 90's catered mostly to the West Coast and the South catered half to the west and was trying to grow it's own talent but def influenced by the West.

And Daz's album "R.A.W." was at Best Buy in San Diego and L.A., and so was "2002" and "Young Gotti and Dillinger" ---- Also, Daz & Mack 10 both got a lot of radio love in the West.  In L.A., they have a station called KDAY I'm sure you heard of where Daz and Mack dime still get a substantial number of spins.

Of course you see history different you lived in a region that favored East Coast artists.  Just like if I lived in New Orleans, I'm going to hear Cash Money records 10 times more than they are already played.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 07, 2013, 06:38:39 PM
Difference between g unit and dogg pound is that all of the artist had a fan base of their own, while Dogg Pound only had Snoop and Nate with mainstream success...and in 2013 tha dogg pound are only good as Snoops backup singers

You wouldn't put Kurupt in there as having some success? I mean, "Kuruption" went Gold and "We Can Freak It" was allover MTV.  His second album was his best IMO "Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha" was huge in the midwest and west.  That went Gold.  And "Space Boogie" had some nice shit on it.  Him and Nate had a hit "Behind The Walls" and it was played on MTV and the corny song "Itz Over" from Space Boogie was on TRL.  I think Kurupt deserves honorable mention and Daz used to have a sick flow and was a mad dope producer.  So if Daz was a Top 5 producer in the game, and Kurupt is considered by many (Notorious B.I.G. said Kurupt was the best freestyler he's ever heard in a radio interview), then doesn't that mean they got some success?

Now Bad Azz, Tray Dee, Lil C Style, Big Pimpin, Soopafly, etc....Those were all third stringers although I liked Soopafly's song on The Chronic 2000 and Lil C Style on MWC Soundtrack (I'm gonna bump that "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit" right now, one of the dopest songs ever IMO).
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on June 07, 2013, 06:53:06 PM
tray deee and soopafly were far from "third stringers"


same with Badazz
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 07, 2013, 09:25:15 PM
Well then that exactly proves my point and explains the skewed views.  No diss to Boston, but they catered to the Eastcoast stronghold on their radio stations for the most part.  Yeah, they played "gin and juice" and "doggy dogg world" in your territory.. but for the most part, this was at the pinnacle of the east/west rivalry and Boston was part of the East stronghold and their playlists were not filled with west artists and they def weren't spinning their second and third singles beyond the snoop and dre stuff (i.e. "Playa Hata" was a hit by Luniz, "Backyard Boogie" & "Nuthin But the Cavi Hit" were not played in the east region like they were in the midwest & west).

The midwest in the 90's catered mostly to the West Coast and the South catered half to the west and was trying to grow it's own talent but def influenced by the West.

And Daz's album "R.A.W." was at Best Buy in San Diego and L.A., and so was "2002" and "Young Gotti and Dillinger" ---- Also, Daz & Mack 10 both got a lot of radio love in the West.  In L.A., they have a station called KDAY I'm sure you heard of where Daz and Mack dime still get a substantial number of spins.

Of course you see history different you lived in a region that favored East Coast artists.  Just like if I lived in New Orleans, I'm going to hear Cash Money records 10 times more than they are already played.
Nope. You would be incorrect for the most part. For starters, you had brought up MTV, which is not run by regional affiliates like say, Fox network or ABC. It is national cable. Only thing controlled by regions is the few minutes of ad space they give local cable during the commercials. Every video that gets aired on MTV in California is shown in New Orleans, Boston, Delaware, and so forth.

In fact, the reverse of your statement would be more correct. If anything, your view is actually being skewed by living in the California region. Boston has never had a strong regional favoritism. They don't even play Boston artists on Boston radio. I can be a far greater judge of who had "crossover" success in that time period because I was over where they only played what was crossing over. West Coast artists breaking four singles in Sacramento isn't crossing over. It's playing your region. Boston is the other side of the country. You can't talk about who was mainstream in the 90's and then come up with reasons why a region wasn't there with it. Mainstream music is confined to nowhere. Coolio had four or five big singles in the same time that Dogg Pound was at their peak in sales and every one of those mother fuckers got ridiculous spins down here because those were Top 40 records nationally. Same with everything on The Chronic. All of Pac's shit. Snoop. Ice Cube. Rage even was getting some pretty decent spins with "Afro Puffs".

And "Playa Hata" never crossed over.  You can blame whatever system you want but it wasn't a national hit record. "Five On It" was.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 08, 2013, 09:14:26 AM
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In fact, the reverse of your statement would be more correct. If anything, your view is actually being skewed by living in the California region. Boston has never had a strong regional favoritism. They don't even play Boston artists on Boston radio. I can be a far greater judge of who had "crossover" success in that time period because I was over where they only played what was crossing over. West Coast artists breaking four singles in Sacramento isn't crossing over. It's playing your region. Boston is the other side of the country. You can't talk about who was mainstream in the 90's and then come up with reasons why a region wasn't there with it. Mainstream music is confined to nowhere. Coolio had four or five big singles in the same time that Dogg Pound was at their peak in sales and every one of those mother fuckers got ridiculous spins down here because those were Top 40 records nationally. Same with everything on The Chronic. All of Pac's shit. Snoop. Ice Cube. Rage even was getting some pretty decent spins with "Afro Puffs".

And "Playa Hata" never crossed over.  You can blame whatever system you want but it wasn't a national hit record. "Five On It" was.

I am talking about your local radio stations in Boston and the radio stations out East.  Exactly proved my point -- Luniz charted #13 on the Billboard Top Rap Songs with "Playa Hata".  It also charted #4 on the Billboard Hot 100.  Of course it was a hit record!  "Hurricane" by The Click also topped out at #4 on the Billboard Top Rap Songs too!
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Sir Petey on June 08, 2013, 10:34:55 AM
homie you need to step outside of your hip hop bubble.

Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 08, 2013, 10:58:45 AM
Difference between g unit and dogg pound is that all of the artist had a fan base of their own, while Dogg Pound only had Snoop and Nate with mainstream success...and in 2013 tha dogg pound are only good as Snoops backup singers

You wouldn't put Kurupt in there as having some success? I mean, "Kuruption" went Gold and "We Can Freak It" was allover MTV.  His second album was his best IMO "Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha" was huge in the midwest and west.  That went Gold.  And "Space Boogie" had some nice shit on it.  Him and Nate had a hit "Behind The Walls" and it was played on MTV and the corny song "Itz Over" from Space Boogie was on TRL.  I think Kurupt deserves honorable mention and Daz used to have a sick flow and was a mad dope producer.  So if Daz was a Top 5 producer in the game, and Kurupt is considered by many (Notorious B.I.G. said Kurupt was the best freestyler he's ever heard in a radio interview), then doesn't that mean they got some success?

Now Bad Azz, Tray Dee, Lil C Style, Big Pimpin, Soopafly, etc....Those were all third stringers although I liked Soopafly's song on The Chronic 2000 and Lil C Style on MWC Soundtrack (I'm gonna bump that "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit" right now, one of the dopest songs ever IMO).

I remember hearing We Can Freak It, Behind the Walls and Its Over on the radio in the bay area. Can't ever remember hearing a Daz single.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Sir Petey on June 08, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
lol i love this thread title.


when cats fall off imma start saying that...


how come they dont go back up? why in the finals wont wade go back up? suge aint never goin back up.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on June 08, 2013, 01:37:17 PM
Daz was never famous or marketable, Kurupt had better success even on the east coast...but Daz as a solo artist was basically unknown

he only sold 84,000 copies of RR&GB the first week


Snoop sold like a million lol

Sales doesn't equal quality but doggystyle was a lot better than rr&gb
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: love33 on June 08, 2013, 02:01:41 PM
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I remember hearing We Can Freak It, Behind the Walls and Its Over on the radio in the bay area. Can't ever remember hearing a Daz single.

"Party People" was a pretty huge song in Los Angeles as a Daz single.  I wonder did they play "Party People" in the Bay?  What about "These Days" or "In California."
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Blood$ on June 10, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
lol i love this thread title.


when cats fall off imma start saying that...


how come they dont go back up? why in the finals wont wade go back up? suge aint never goin back up.

lmao
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Okka on June 13, 2013, 03:48:36 AM
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I remember hearing We Can Freak It, Behind the Walls and Its Over on the radio in the bay area. Can't ever remember hearing a Daz single.

"Party People" was a pretty huge song in Los Angeles as a Daz single.  I wonder did they play "Party People" in the Bay?  What about "These Days" or "In California."

"Party People"? What song is that?
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: WestWestYA on June 13, 2013, 04:16:35 AM
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I remember hearing We Can Freak It, Behind the Walls and Its Over on the radio in the bay area. Can't ever remember hearing a Daz single.

"Party People" was a pretty huge song in Los Angeles as a Daz single.  I wonder did they play "Party People" in the Bay?  What about "These Days" or "In California."

"Party People"? What song is that?
its was the so so def album track with jagged edge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7fjUm5CKrc
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Okka on June 13, 2013, 07:47:27 AM
Oh yeah, that's the worst song on the album though.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on June 13, 2013, 09:42:36 AM
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I remember hearing We Can Freak It, Behind the Walls and Its Over on the radio in the bay area. Can't ever remember hearing a Daz single.

"Party People" was a pretty huge song in Los Angeles as a Daz single.  I wonder did they play "Party People" in the Bay?  What about "These Days" or "In California."

No. I've never heard any Daz song.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Sir Petey on June 13, 2013, 03:57:50 PM
why wont chingy go back up?
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on June 13, 2013, 04:02:27 PM
why wont chingy go back up?

or Nelly
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Sir Petey on June 13, 2013, 04:19:17 PM
cornelius aka nelly NOT homosexual so he wood never go down to begin with. he love WOMEN and ashanti not dicks and men like jason collins. nelly are trendsetter and wore facial bandage AND three do-rags at one times. ll cool j passed the torch to be able to take shirt off in videos and have greasy lips. before nelly southern rappers are not lick their lips or use bandage.
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: Ghost Drebin on June 13, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
cornelius aka nelly NOT homosexual so he wood never go down to begin with. he love WOMEN and ashanti not dicks and men like jason collins. nelly are trendsetter and wore facial bandage AND three do-rags at one times. ll cool j passed the torch to be able to take shirt off in videos and have greasy lips. before nelly southern rappers are not lick their lips or use bandage.

Midwest?  Did you hax?
Title: Re: Why doesn't Daz go back up
Post by: JML-G on June 15, 2013, 01:40:12 AM
You make it sound like Daz was a fucking household name.  He had some hit records but he was down with a hot label.  There's artists that were hot in 2005 that nobody is talking about anymore.

I disagree -- Daz was a household name -- Everyone was talking about "Dogg Food" after "Doggystyle" and the soundtracks Death Row were releasing.  How could you forget about "What Would U Do?" didn't that get nominated for a Grammy if I remember? That was one of the sickest songs to ever come out.  There were HUGE tracks on that album like "NY NY" (dissing the East coast -- Daz wasn't on the song but on the video), "Lets Play House," "One By One," "Reality" & "Respect" which Dr. Dre mixed but Daz produced.  After Dr. Dre was out at Tha Row, Suge & Pac were touting Daz as the main producer.  I still remember the interviews were Suge was talking about how Dre wasn't producing the tracks.  Daz's pinnacle accomplishments of his career are the multi-platinum 'Dogg Food' and being credited alongside Johnny J as the main producers behind the "All Eyez On Me" album.  Daz was considered by many in the discussion for #1 producer at one point of his career.  Also, in 1998, to my knowledge of what Suge said "Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back" is a Gold album.  The album had song solid tracks "In California," "It Might Sound Crazy," etc.  When he got booted off Tha Row in 1999 and took a lot of his tracks and released "R.A.W."...which was a nice underground album.  "Who Ride Wt Us" was a nice record in 1999.  He followed with a couple nice underground albums, and a couple flops.  And then they had the big hit with Jay-Z "Change The Game Remix" which appeared on the DJ Clue album and Tha Dogg Pound "2002" album (which debuted #36 on the Billboard Charts, and debuted #2 on the Billboard Top Independent ALbums.)

You look at his career and they released a half notable song and video "Forever And A Day" and it didn't generate any buzz.  Other than that, as many pointed out -- he's underachieved.


a household name means a cat that transcends his lil niche no one who didnt follow gangsta rap knew daz or mack 10 lol



you think people were checking the news in the morning to see what daz did last night in the mid 90s? he never had that kind of celebrity status...might have been a household name in YOUR house.


if thats the case your household probably sucked lol

lmao