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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Sccit on July 23, 2013, 04:41:47 PM
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NICK YOUNG, JORDAN FARMAR, CHRIS KAMAN, WES JOHNSON, SHAWNE WILLIAMS, XAVIER HENRY - LOS ANGELES LAKERS
RANDY FOYE, JJ HICKSON, DARREL ARTHUR, NATE ROBINSON - DENVER NUGGETS
KOSTA KOFUS, MIKE MILLER - MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
METTA WORLD PEACE, ANDREA BARGNANI, BENO UDRIH - NEW YORK KNICKS
MO WILLIAMS, DORRELL WRIGHT, EARL WATSON, ROBIN LOPEZ, THOMAS ROBINSON - PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
TYREKE EVANS, JRUE HOLIDAY, GREG STEIMSMA, ANTHONY MORROW - NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
GREIVIS VASQUEZ, LUC RICHARD MBAH A MOUTE, CARL LANDRY - SACRAMENTO KINGS
JJ REDICK, DARREN COLLISON, JARED DUDLEY, BYRON MULLENS, ANTAWN JAMISON - LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
CARON BUTLER, ERIC BLEDSOE, GERALD GREEN, MILES PLUMLEE - PHOENIX SUNS
QUENTIN RICHARDSON, STEVE NOVAK, TYLER HANSBROUGH, DJ AUGUSTIN, AUSTIN DAYE - TORONTO RAPTORS
CJ WATSON, CHRIS COPELAND, LUIS SCOLA, RASUAL BUTLER - INDIANA PACERS
BRANDON RUSH, RICHARD JEFFERSON, ANDRIS BIEDRINS, JOHN LUCAS - UTAH JAZZ
ANDRE IGUODALA, MARREESE SPEIGHTS, TONEY DOUGLAS, JERMAINE O'NEAL - GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
JOSH SMITH, CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, BRANDON JENNINGS, JOSH HARRELLSON - DETROIT PISTONS
MONTA ELLIS, JOSE CALDERON, WAYNE ELLINGTON, SAMUEL DALAMBERT, DEVIN HARRIS, DAJUAN BLAIR - DALLAS MAVERICKS
MIKE DUNLEAVY - CHICAGO BULLS
AL JEFFERSON, ANTHONY TOLLIVER - CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
PAUL MILLSAP, ELTON BRAND, GUSTAVO AYON, DEMARRE CARROL - ATLANTA HAWKS
MARCO BELLINELLI, JEFF PENDERGRAPH - SAN ANTONIO SPURS
OJ MAYO, LUKE RIDNOUR, CARLOS DELFINO, ZAZA PACHULIA, GARY NEAL, BRANDON KNIGHT, KHRIS MIDDLETON - MILUAWKEE BUCKS
KEVIN MARTIN, COREY BREWER, RONNY TURIAF - MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
PAUL PIERCE, KEVIN GARNETT, SHAUN LIVINGSTON, JASON TERRY, ANDREI KIRILENKO, DJ WHITE, ALAN ANDERSON - BROOKLYN NETS
ANDREW BYNUM, JARRET JACK, EARL CLARK - CLEVELAND CAVS
MARSHON BROOKS, KRIS HUMPRHRIES, KEITH BOGANS, GERALD WALLACE, DONTAE GREEN - BOSTON CELTICS
ROYCE WHITE, JAMES ANDERSON, TONY WROTEN - PHILADELPHIA SIXERS
DWIGHT HOWARD, OMRI CASSPI, REGGIE WILLIAMS, MARCUS CAMBY, RONNIE BREWER - HOUSTON ROCKETS
JASON MAXIELL, RONNIE PRICE - ORLANDO MAGIC
GREG ODEN - MIAMI HEAT
RYAN GOMES - OKC THUNDER
ERIC MAYNOR - WASHINGTON WIZARDS
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royce white is a clown
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FOREAL...PHILADELPHIA, THE WORST CITY HE COULDA GONE TO
LOOKING AT THE LIST, THE BIGGEST WINNERS LOOK LIKE THE CAVS, THE NETS, THE MAVS, THE PELICANS, AND THE LAKERS
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NICK YOUNG, CHRIS KAMAN - LOS ANGELES LAKERS
JJ HICKSON - DENVER NUGGETS
THOMAS ROBINSON - PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
TYREKE EVANS, JRUE HOLIDAY - NEW ORLEANS PELICANS
GREIVIS VASQUEZ, CARL LANDRY - SACRAMENTO KINGS
JJ REDICK - LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
CARON BUTLER, ERIC BLEDSOE - PHOENIX SUNS
CHRIS COPELAND - INDIANA PACERS
ANDRE IGUODALA - GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
JOSH SMITH - DETROIT PISTONS
MONTA ELLIS, JOSE CALDERSON - DALLAS MAVERICKS
AL JEFFERSON - CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
PAUL MILLSAP, ELTON BRAND - ATLANTA HAWKS
OJ MAYO - MILUAWKEE BUCKS
KEVIN MARTIN - MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
PAUL PIERCE, KEVIN GARNETT, JASON TERRY - BROOKLYN NETS
ANDREW BYNUM, JARRET JACK, EARL CLARK - CLEVELAND CAVS
MARSHON BROOKS, KRIS HUMPRHRIES, GERALD WALLACE - BOSTON CELTICS
DWIGHT HOWARD - HOUSTON ROCKETS
These are the best moves.
Who won this offseason?
1. Cavs
2. Houston
3. Lakers
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LOSERS=JAZZ, NUGGETS, SIXERS
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RONNIE PRICE TO ORLANDO
NATE ROBINSON TO DENVER
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LUIS SCOLA TO THE PACERS
GARY NEAL TO THE BUCKS
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GERALD GREEN TO PHOENIX
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GUSTAVO AYON TO ATLANTA
MARCUS CAMBY TO HOUSTON
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AUSTIN DAYE TO TORONTO
DEVIN HARRIS TO DALLAS
BRANDON JENNINGS TO DETROIT
BRANDON KNIGHT+KHRIS MIDDLETON TO MILUAWKEE
ALAN ANDERSON TO BROOKLYN
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FOREAL...PHILADELPHIA, THE WORST CITY HE COULDA GONE TO
LOOKING AT THE LIST, THE BIGGEST WINNERS LOOK LIKE THE CAVS, THE NETS, THE MAVS, THE PELICANS, AND THE LAKERS
Just out of curiosity, how does Kaman/Young/Farmar/Wes Johnson beat out Redick/Collison/Dudley/Mullens?
Or Iggy/Speights/O'Neal/Douglas?
No need for an argument. Just want to see your thought process.
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FOREAL...PHILADELPHIA, THE WORST CITY HE COULDA GONE TO
LOOKING AT THE LIST, THE BIGGEST WINNERS LOOK LIKE THE CAVS, THE NETS, THE MAVS, THE PELICANS, AND THE LAKERS
Just out of curiosity, how does Kaman/Young/Farmar/Wes Johnson beat out Redick/Collison/Dudley/Mullens?
Or Iggy/Speights/O'Neal/Douglas?
No need for an argument. Just want to see your thought process.
U BEIN SERIOUS? LMAO
KAMAN>>>>>MULLENS
WES>DUDLEY
YOUNG>>>REDICK
FARMAR<COLLISON
AND GOLDEN STATE HAD TO GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS AND PLAYERS TO GET IGGY...DONT FOGET THAT RUSSELL BELL, OUR RESIDENT WARRIOR FAN, WASNT EVEN HAPPY WIT THE TRADE WHEN IT WAS GOIN DOWN.
OTHER THAN THAT, SPEIGHTS, O'NEAL, AND DOUGLAS ARE LUCKY TO BE MAKING NBA ROSTERS LOL....WE GOT BETTER ALL AROUND.
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FOREAL...PHILADELPHIA, THE WORST CITY HE COULDA GONE TO
LOOKING AT THE LIST, THE BIGGEST WINNERS LOOK LIKE THE CAVS, THE NETS, THE MAVS, THE PELICANS, AND THE LAKERS
Just out of curiosity, how does Kaman/Young/Farmar/Wes Johnson beat out Redick/Collison/Dudley/Mullens?
Or Iggy/Speights/O'Neal/Douglas?
No need for an argument. Just want to see your thought process.
U BEIN SERIOUS? LMAO
KAMAN>>>>>MULLENS
WES>DUDLEY
YOUNG>>>REDICK
FARMAR<COLLISON
AND GOLDEN STATE HAD TO GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS AND PLAYERS TO GET IGGY...DONT FOGET THAT RUSSELL BELL, OUR RESIDENT WARRIOR FAN, WASNT EVEN HAPPY WIT THE TRADE WHEN IT WAS GOIN DOWN.
OTHER THAN THAT, SPEIGHTS, O'NEAL, AND DOUGLAS ARE LUCKY TO BE MAKING NBA ROSTERS LOL....WE GOT BETTER ALL AROUND.
I'll give you Kaman > Mullens. But Young > Redick? Wow. Redick and Young were brought on to these teams for their shooting. Redick > Young. Also, if you think Wesley Johnson is better than Dudley, then something is seriously wrong. Dudley has shot at least 45% from the field and 38% from 3, all but 1 season. Wesley Johnson has never shot over 41% and only over 40% from the field, 1 time. From 3? Never higher than 36% (1 time) and more recently 31 and 32%. You can't be serious.
As for GSW
Iggy >>>>>>>>> Young
Speights > Johnson
Douglas <<< Farmar
O'Neal = Kaman You get slightly more offense from Kaman. Better defense from O'Neal.
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FOREAL...PHILADELPHIA, THE WORST CITY HE COULDA GONE TO
LOOKING AT THE LIST, THE BIGGEST WINNERS LOOK LIKE THE CAVS, THE NETS, THE MAVS, THE PELICANS, AND THE LAKERS
Just out of curiosity, how does Kaman/Young/Farmar/Wes Johnson beat out Redick/Collison/Dudley/Mullens?
Or Iggy/Speights/O'Neal/Douglas?
No need for an argument. Just want to see your thought process.
U BEIN SERIOUS? LMAO
KAMAN>>>>>MULLENS
WES>DUDLEY
YOUNG>>>REDICK
FARMAR<COLLISON
AND GOLDEN STATE HAD TO GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS AND PLAYERS TO GET IGGY...DONT FOGET THAT RUSSELL BELL, OUR RESIDENT WARRIOR FAN, WASNT EVEN HAPPY WIT THE TRADE WHEN IT WAS GOIN DOWN.
OTHER THAN THAT, SPEIGHTS, O'NEAL, AND DOUGLAS ARE LUCKY TO BE MAKING NBA ROSTERS LOL....WE GOT BETTER ALL AROUND.
I'll give you Kaman > Mullens. But Young > Redick? Wow. Redick and Young were brought on to these teams for their shooting. Redick > Young. Also, if you think Wesley Johnson is better than Dudley, then something is seriously wrong. Dudley has shot at least 45% from the field and 38% from 3, all but 1 season. Wesley Johnson has never shot over 41% and only over 40% from the field, 1 time. From 3? Never higher than 36% (1 time) and more recently 31 and 32%. You can't be serious.
As for GSW
Iggy >>>>>>>>> Young
Speights > Johnson
Douglas <<< Farmar
O'Neal = Kaman You get slightly more offense from Kaman. Better defense from O'Neal.
LMAO... No, nick young and jj redick were brought in for their scoring, not their shooting. Nick young has better handles, can finish at the rim, create his own shot. Just a better overall scorer,
which is why he's averaged 17+ ppg with the wizards. jj redick is a better facilitator, I'll give him that, but nick young is the much better overall player. And the reason I say Wes>Dudley is not only cuz his ceiling is much higher, but also cuz they both played for the Suns last year, and while the familiar dudley got the playing time to start the season, Wes Johnson eventually beat him for the startin spot and ended the season a lot stronger than Dudley.
Oneal=kaman is the only thing laughable. Oneal will be lucky to play 40 games this year with the health he's in. Kaman is a qualified starter, jermaine has been a 2nd/3rd string bench player for 5+ years ... Come on brobro.. Ur talkin about a jermaine Oneal who's around averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes for years now lol whoisthis
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LMAO... No, nick young and jj redick were brought in for their scoring, not their shooting. Nick young has better handles, can finish at the rim, create his own shot. Just a better overall scorer,
which is why he's averaged 17+ ppg with the wizards. jj redick is a better facilitator, I'll give him that, but nick young is the much better overall player. And the reason I say Wes>Dudley is not only cuz his ceiling is much higher, but also cuz they both played for the Suns last year, and while the familiar dudley got the playing time to start the season, Wes Johnson eventually beat him for the startin spot and ended the season a lot stronger than Dudley.
Oneal=kaman is the only thing laughable. Oneal will be lucky to play 40 games this year with the health he's in. Kaman is a qualified starter, jermaine has been a 2nd/3rd string bench player for 5+ years ... Come on brobro.. Ur talkin about a jermaine Oneal who's around averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes for years now lol whoisthis
The scoring provided by Redick is a secondary issue for the Clippers. They have BG and CP3 who are their primary scorers. Redick (and Dudley) were brought in strictly for spacing since they're knock down shooters. He's replacing Chauncey/Willie Green in the starting Line up. Young's scoring, again, is more secondary for the Lakers. They have Kobe, Pau and Nash. Young is there to hit the open shot. He's essentially replacing Ron Artest's poor decision making with better shooting ability, just absolutely no defense. Remember when he scored those 17PPG, it was on a terrible Wizards team and John Wall & Andray Blatche both scored in the mid-to-high teens as well. Point being, scoring well on a team with no identity who is horrible, is not the situation he'll be in here. For a better example of who the Lakers will be getting, look at what Nick Young did as a Clipper in that second half 11-12 season. About 10 points. 35% from 3. He will not have enough possessions to put up almost 15 shots a night and he's not a efficient enough shooter to score 17+ without them. Hence, Redick > Young.
Dudley fell out of favor with Lindsey Hunter more than Wes Johnson beat him out. Hunter rode more of the younger players in the 2nd half of the season. As for their ceilings... Wes Johnson hasn't shown that he can get off the floor. Dudley has been a consistent player throughout his career. He was brought in for Defense, Shooting and Consistency. He fits those bills. That's why Dudley > Johnson.
You do realize that Kaman is often injured himself, right? And, when you consider the roles each are needed to play, it's much more important for Kaman to stay healthy, which he has a hard time doing. As far as numbers go. JO had 2 rough seasons in Boston due to injuries, which is why he put up the numbers he did. But, last season, he put up 8 and 5 off the bench in under 20 minutes a night while playing in about as many games last season as he had the 2 previous seasons combined. That's comparable to the 10 and 5 Kaman put up as a starter in slightly over 20. Again, I'll give you that overall, Kaman is a better Offensive talent. Defensively, you'll get more out of O'Neal. There's no real winner between those 2.
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LMAO... No, nick young and jj redick were brought in for their scoring, not their shooting. Nick young has better handles, can finish at the rim, create his own shot. Just a better overall scorer,
which is why he's averaged 17+ ppg with the wizards. jj redick is a better facilitator, I'll give him that, but nick young is the much better overall player. And the reason I say Wes>Dudley is not only cuz his ceiling is much higher, but also cuz they both played for the Suns last year, and while the familiar dudley got the playing time to start the season, Wes Johnson eventually beat him for the startin spot and ended the season a lot stronger than Dudley.
Oneal=kaman is the only thing laughable. Oneal will be lucky to play 40 games this year with the health he's in. Kaman is a qualified starter, jermaine has been a 2nd/3rd string bench player for 5+ years ... Come on brobro.. Ur talkin about a jermaine Oneal who's around averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes for years now lol whoisthis
The scoring provided by Redick is a secondary issue for the Clippers. They have BG and CP3 who are their primary scorers. Redick (and Dudley) were brought in strictly for spacing since they're knock down shooters. He's replacing Chauncey/Willie Green in the starting Line up. Young's scoring, again, is more secondary for the Lakers. They have Kobe, Pau and Nash. Young is there to hit the open shot. He's essentially replacing Ron Artest's poor decision making with better shooting ability, just absolutely no defense. Remember when he scored those 17PPG, it was on a terrible Wizards team and John Wall & Andray Blatche both scored in the mid-to-high teens as well. Point being, scoring well on a team with no identity who is horrible, is not the situation he'll be in here. For a better example of who the Lakers will be getting, look at what Nick Young did as a Clipper in that second half 11-12 season. About 10 points. 35% from 3. He will not have enough possessions to put up almost 15 shots a night and he's not a efficient enough shooter to score 17+ without them. Hence, Redick > Young.
Dudley fell out of favor with Lindsey Hunter more than Wes Johnson beat him out. Hunter rode more of the younger players in the 2nd half of the season. As for their ceilings... Wes Johnson hasn't shown that he can get off the floor. Dudley has been a consistent player throughout his career. He was brought in for Defense, Shooting and Consistency. He fits those bills. That's why Dudley > Johnson.
You do realize that Kaman is often injured himself, right? And, when you consider the roles each are needed to play, it's much more important for Kaman to stay healthy, which he has a hard time doing. As far as numbers go. JO had 2 rough seasons in Boston due to injuries, which is why he put up the numbers he did. But, last season, he put up 8 and 5 off the bench in under 20 minutes a night while playing in about as many games last season as he had the 2 previous seasons combined. That's comparable to the 10 and 5 Kaman put up as a starter in slightly over 20. Again, I'll give you that overall, Kaman is a better Offensive talent. Defensively, you'll get more out of O'Neal. There's no real winner between those 2.
IMA START CALLIN U MR REACH IF U DONT STOP THIS MADNESS, MAYN....KOBE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER ON THE LAKERS LAST YEAR THAT WAS CONSISTENTLY ABLE TO CREATE HIS OWN SHOT... THAT, ALONG WITH RUNNING WITH THE YOUNG'NS OF TODAYS NBA ON THE PERIMETER IS WHAT NICK YOUNG WAS BROUGHT IN FOR...NOT TO BE A SPOT UP SHOOTER. NICK YOUNG IS CLEARLY A BETTR ALL-AROUND PLAYER THAN JJ REDICK, IT'S NOT EVEN DEBATABLE.
NOW, LETS TAKE A LOOK AT JARED DUDLEY VS WES JOHNSON....DUDLEY DIDNT BECOME A DECENT PLAYER UNTIL HIS 4TH YEAR IN THE LEAGUE. HE WAS A STRAIGHT SCRUB FOR THE FIRST THREE, AND WES JOHNSON PUT UP BETTER NUMBERS IN HIS FIRST 3 SEASONS. ON TOP OF THAT, HE'S YOUNGER, AND JUST A MUCH BETTER PROSPECT OVERALL. DUDLEY HAS HAD MORE YEARS AND WAS ABLE TO DEVELOP HIS GAME MORE, BUT IT WAS CLEAR LAST SEASON TO ANYON WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED SUNS GAMES THAT WES PROVED TO BE THE MAN BY THE END OF THE YEAR.....SO DONT TRY TO LAUGH LEGIT CLAIMS OFF WIT YA NOSE UP IN THE AIR CUZ U THINK U THE ONLY ONE WITH ACCESS TO NBA.COM PLAYER PROFILES.
KAMAN IS ALSO NOT NEARLY AS REMOVED FROM HIS PRIME AS JERMAINE O'NEAL...KAMAN'S ALL-STAR APPEARANCE WAS JUST 3 YEARS AGO. I DONT CARE IF O'NEAL SCORED 8 POINTS PER GAME LAST YEAR, CUZ HE HAD TO TAKE A WEEK OFF EVERY MONTH IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT. KAMAN IS NOT SUFFERING RE-OCCURING SETBACKS, HE'S NOT NEARLY AS OLD OR INJURY PRONE AS O'NEAL. THE ONLY REASON HE MISSED A LIL TIME LAST YEAR WAS DUE TO A CONCUSSION... NOT EXACTLY SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS FROM BEIN INJURY PRONE...KAMAN'S PER 36 NUBERS WERE ALSO BETTER THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN! CARLISLE WAS SIMPLY NOT USING KAMAN AS MUCH AS HE SHOULD LAST YEAR, WHICH PROVED TO BE A BIG MISTAKE + WAS AN UNPOPULAR DECISION IN DALLAS. SO YEA, TO ACT LIKE THESE 2, AT THIS STAGE OF THEIR CAREER, ARE EQUAL PLAYERS IS PRETTY FAR OFF.
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I'm gonna have to call Turbo the way you keep on dancing, mayn. The Lakers were out of wack last year thanks to D'Antoni not having a clue how to put things together and lack of consistent shooting. Now the floor is more stretched like he would like. Young's shooting is what's needed, not so much his play making. So because it's shooting they need, Redick > Young. Overall, Redick is the better shooter and a much smarter player. These guys are role players. Consistency is much more important.
I'm gonna have to call you Ray Charles if you keep talking about numbers like 9/3/2 on 39/35/69 or 6/3/1 on 39/31/70 or 8/2/1 on 40/32/77 is 1 Not Scrub numbers and 2 better than
6/4/1 on 46/22/73
5/3/1 on 47/39/67
8/3/1 on 45/45/78
Per 36, their numbers scoring was about the same, but Dudley was a MUCH better shooter from all around, save for his 1st season when he only put up 41 3's. Convo's over on these 2 based on those comments alone.
I don't care if Kaman's All-Star appearance was 3 years ago. He's nowhere near that same player. The simple fact remains that O'Neal's D makes up for any lack of Offense. And Kaman's offense makes up for any lack on D. Equal.
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I'm gonna have to call Turbo the way you keep on dancing, mayn. The Lakers were out of wack last year thanks to D'Antoni not having a clue how to put things together and lack of consistent shooting. Now the floor is more stretched like he would like. Young's shooting is what's needed, not so much his play making. So because it's shooting they need, Redick > Young. Overall, Redick is the better shooter and a much smarter player. These guys are role players. Consistency is much more important.
I'm gonna have to call you Ray Charles if you keep talking about numbers like 9/3/2 on 39/35/69 or 6/3/1 on 39/31/70 or 8/2/1 on 40/32/77 is 1 Not Scrub numbers and 2 better than
6/4/1 on 46/22/73
5/3/1 on 47/39/67
8/3/1 on 45/45/78
Per 36, their numbers scoring was about the same, but Dudley was a MUCH better shooter from all around, save for his 1st season when he only put up 41 3's. Convo's over on these 2 based on those comments alone.
I don't care if Kaman's All-Star appearance was 3 years ago. He's nowhere near that same player. The simple fact remains that O'Neal's D makes up for any lack of Offense. And Kaman's offense makes up for any lack on D. Equal.
LOL, UR GREAT....I LOVE HOW U JUST TWIST THINGS TO HOWEVER U WANT THEM. "BECAUSE IT'S SHOOTING THE LAKERS NEED, THEN YOUNG>REDICK" LMFAO....DO U NOT REALIZE HOW FUNNY THAT IS?
AND WHERE U GETTING THOSE NUMBERS? 8-3-1?? JARED DUDLEY WASNT ABLE TO AVERAGE OVER 5 POINTS A GAME IN HIS FIRST THREE SEASONS. WES JOHNSON WAS ABLE TO COME IN AND AVERAGE 9 AS A ROOKIE...GIVEN, ON A LOWER PERCENTAGE, BUT JARED DUDLEY NEVER HAD THE POTENTIAL THAT WES JOHNSON DOES, AND READING STATS DOES NOT TELL U SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WERE TALKIN A 4TH OVERALL PICK WHO IS STILL DEVELOPING HIS GAME AND HIS LAST MONTH PLAYING WAS HIS BEST. COME TO UR SENSES AND STOP THINKING U CAN PROVE PEOPLE WRONG WHEN THEY'RE RIGHT. AS OF NOW, WES IS BETTER THAN DUDLEY, GOING BY THEIR LAST MONTH IN A SUNS UNIFORM....TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WES IS THE MUCH BETTER PROSPECT WITH MUCH HIGHER CEILING, IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS THAT WES IS THE PLAYER U WANT TO TAKE UR CHANCES ON. BUT GO AHEAD AND KEEP TRYNA DISPROVE MY COMMON SENSE CONCLUSIONS...I JUST FIND IT FUNNY HOW U STORMED IN THIS MUFUCKA WITH YA CHIN UP LIKE I SAID "JORDAN FARMAR>CP3" ROFL
AND HOW IS KAMAN NOWHERE NEAR THE SAME PLAYER WHEN HE TECHNICALLY HAD HIS BEST SEASON LAST YEAR? PER 36 NUMBERS WERE HIS BEST EVER.....SO MISS ME WITH THAT BULLSHIT, CUZ THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT CARLISLE WASNT USING KAMAN AS PART OF HIS PLAN. DOESNT MEAN HE FELL OFF....AND IF HE DID HAVE A SLIGHT FALL OFF, IT'S STILL NOWHERE NEAR THAT OF JERMAINE O'NEALS, AND U KNOW IT....THIS SEASON IS GUNNA BE FUN(NY). IMA LOVE PULLING UP THESE THREADS WHEN IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERES HUGE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN KAMAN AND O'NEAL+NICK YOUNG AND JJ REDICK....THIS SHOULD BE GOOD.
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Twisting eh? Again, I give you facts, you dismiss them. That's fine. It's your M.O.
Dudley
2009-10 24 PHO NBA SF 82 1 24.3 2.7 6.0 .459 1.5 3.2 .458 1.3 1.7 .754 1.2 2.2 3.4 1.4 1.0 0.2 0.8 2.0 8.2
It's obvious that you struggle with reading.
Dudley's rooking season: 22nd pick. Started 14 games and played 19 minutes.
Johnson's rooking season: 4th pick. Started 63 games and played 26 minutes.
All things are not created equal. Tell the whole story. You can try to tilt this picture you've painted anyway you want, but the proof is in the pudding. One guy is a 22nd pick who has played better all around than the other guy who is a 4th pick. You can use 1 month in a season as your reasoning, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
Kaman is not the same player. Per 36 numbers are estimations if they played that way for 36 minutes. It doesn't compensate for fatigue. Foul trouble. Offensive/Defensive situations. Etc. If that's how you want to compare a guy, that's fine. Nonetheless, Kaman is not the same player he once was, nor is O'Neal. But, again, O'Neal will not be on the floor for Offensive purposes. He'll be there for his Defense. Kaman will not be on the floor for his Defensive, only his Offense. Hence, why comparing them is a wash.
I stormed this "mufucka" asking a question and you stormed back in to this "mufucka" acting like I asked you "How can you say Kobe > Adam Morrison."
Have fun pulling up internet topics months later.
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Twisting eh? Again, I give you facts, you dismiss them. That's fine. It's your M.O.
Dudley
2009-10 24 PHO NBA SF 82 1 24.3 2.7 6.0 .459 1.5 3.2 .458 1.3 1.7 .754 1.2 2.2 3.4 1.4 1.0 0.2 0.8 2.0 8.2
It's obvious that you struggle with reading.
Dudley's rooking season: 22nd pick. Started 14 games and played 19 minutes.
Johnson's rooking season: 4th pick. Started 63 games and played 26 minutes.
All things are not created equal. Tell the whole story. You can try to tilt this picture you've painted anyway you want, but the proof is in the pudding. One guy is a 22nd pick who has played better all around than the other guy who is a 4th pick. You can use 1 month in a season as your reasoning, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
Kaman is not the same player. Per 36 numbers are estimations if they played that way for 36 minutes. It doesn't compensate for fatigue. Foul trouble. Offensive/Defensive situations. Etc. If that's how you want to compare a guy, that's fine. Nonetheless, Kaman is not the same player he once was, nor is O'Neal. But, again, O'Neal will not be on the floor for Offensive purposes. He'll be there for his Defense. Kaman will not be on the floor for his Defensive, only his Offense. Hence, why comparing them is a wash.
I stormed this "mufucka" asking a question and you stormed back in to this "mufucka" acting like I asked you "How can you say Kobe > Adam Morrison."
Have fun pulling up internet topics months later.
POINT IS, UR TRYIN TOO HARD TO "DEFEAT ME".....ALMOST LIKE UR SOME PAST NUTRIDER WHO I SHITTED ON AND CAME BACK ANONYMOUSLY FOR REVENGE. AM I FAR OFF? EITHER WAY, U CLEARLY CAME IN THIS THREAD WITH AN AGENDA, ACTIN LIKE I MADE SOME OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS, AND TRYNA CALL ME OUT ON IT, MAKING URSELF LOOK FOOLISH IN THE PROCESS....IM GUNNA BUMP THIS THREAD EVERY TIME JERMAINE O'NEAL MISSES A GAME :-\
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BENO UDRIH TO KNICKS, DAJUAN BLAIR TO DALLAS
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CELTICS TRADE FAB MELO TRADE TO GRIZZLIES FOR DONTAE GREEN
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ANTHONY TOLLIVER TO CHARLOTTE
JOSH HARRELLSON TO DETROIT
MEMPHIS TRADES TONY WROTEN TO PHILADELPHIA FOR 2014 2ND ROUND PICK & TRADE EXCEPTION
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RONNIE BREWER TO THE ROCKETS
SHAWNE WILLIAMS & XAVIER HENRY TO THE LAKESHOW
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cant wait to watch the pistons play.
some of my fave young players got dished to shitty teams. i hate brandon knight had to leave detroit but i understand why.
pacers are gonna be a beast this year
oden is gonna end up part of who they think of as the big 3 if he gets in shape gets his game tightened up in miami
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you gotta feel bad for okc...its not looking good out there man when you look at where they was two years ago.
still not sure what the celtics are trying to do...not shitty enough to tank for the draft.
brooklyn nets will probably lock the 2 or 3 seed in the east for a few years get put out and have to rebuild soon.
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im not gonna speak on the clippers just yet...they look dangerous on paper but can doc get all these guys on the same page? i hope so...
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im not gonna speak on the clippers just yet...they look dangerous on paper but can doc get all these guys on the same page? i hope so...
he's a great coach, i bet they struggle a bit early but are a beast come playoff time
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im not gonna speak on the clippers just yet...they look dangerous on paper but can doc get all these guys on the same page? i hope so...
he's a great coach, i bet they struggle a bit early but are a beast come playoff time
cp3 is a good player and a great leader at times but sometimes his "baby kobe alpha male" thing he tries to do could be the very thing that unravels that team...you always know hes gonna play his part but i dont think hes as good as he thinks he is at motivating his team.
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BLAKE GRIFFIN SEEMS JEALOUS OF CP3, AS HE'S NOW SEEN AS SECONDARY AND HAS EVEN LOST HIS "SUPERSTAR" STATUS BECAUSE OF HIM
RASUAL BUTLER TO THE PACERS
ANTAWN JAMISON TO THE CLIPPERS
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BLAKE GRIFFIN SEEMS JEALOUS OF CP3, AS HE'S NOW SEEN AS SECONDARY AND HAS EVEN LOST HIS "SUPERSTAR" STATUS BECAUSE OF HIM
RASUAL BUTLER TO THE PACERS
ANTAWN JAMISON TO THE CLIPPERS
not sure if i agree with him being jealous they do got commercials together and cp3s son and drake have a good relationship etc but this HAD to happen if the clippers were taken serious i think he knew that. hes the gary payton to blakes shawn kemp
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BLAKE GRIFFIN SEEMS JEALOUS OF CP3, AS HE'S NOW SEEN AS SECONDARY AND HAS EVEN LOST HIS "SUPERSTAR" STATUS BECAUSE OF HIM
RASUAL BUTLER TO THE PACERS
ANTAWN JAMISON TO THE CLIPPERS
not sure if i agree with him being jealous they do got commercials together and cp3s son and drake have a good relationship etc but this HAD to happen if the clippers were taken serious i think he knew that. hes the gary payton to blakes shawn kemp
NAAH, IT'S NOT AN OUT-IN-THE-OPEN THING...IT'S AN UNDERLYING JEALOUSY. CP3 STOLE BLAKE GRIFFIN'S TITLE AS FACE OF THE CLIPPERS. IT'S ONLY NATURAL. WORD AROUND TOWN WAS THAT CLIPPERS WERE STARTING TO HAVE CHEMISTRY ISSUES TOWARDS THE END OF LAST SEASON- CHRIS PAUL LIMITING BLAKE'S GAME TO JUST A LOB GUY, ETC. ETC.
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_blake_griffin_deandre_jordan_argue_both_tired_of_cp3/13317775
http://www.youtube.com/v/JdvVWlQ4R3w
WITH KEMP-PAYTON, IT WAS SEEN MORE AS A 50-50 THING
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BLAKE GRIFFIN SEEMS JEALOUS OF CP3, AS HE'S NOW SEEN AS SECONDARY AND HAS EVEN LOST HIS "SUPERSTAR" STATUS BECAUSE OF HIM
RASUAL BUTLER TO THE PACERS
ANTAWN JAMISON TO THE CLIPPERS
not sure if i agree with him being jealous they do got commercials together and cp3s son and drake have a good relationship etc but this HAD to happen if the clippers were taken serious i think he knew that. hes the gary payton to blakes shawn kemp
NAAH, IT'S NOT AN OUT-IN-THE-OPEN THING...IT'S AN UNDERLYING JEALOUSY. CP3 STOLE BLAKE GRIFFIN'S TITLE AS FACE OF THE CLIPPERS. IT'S ONLY NATURAL. WORD AROUND TOWN WAS THAT CLIPPERS WERE STARTING TO HAVE CHEMISTRY ISSUES TOWARDS THE END OF LAST SEASON- CHRIS PAUL LIMITING BLAKE'S GAME TO JUST A LOB GUY, ETC. ETC.
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_blake_griffin_deandre_jordan_argue_both_tired_of_cp3/13317775
http://www.youtube.com/v/JdvVWlQ4R3w
WITH KEMP-PAYTON, IT WAS SEEN MORE AS A 50-50 THING
i dont know all i can do is presume. blake dont come off as a real petty dude to me. ppl said that about kobe last year he was having issues with coming to grips howard could become the face of the lakers lasting even after his own retirement....im sure that never set good with kobe and we all know the competitor in kobe CAN make him an overbearing petty type person and thats part of what makes him such a beast and a competitor. blake never really ever looks like he likes or wants that limelight that much he NEVER looks comfortable on camera or like hes looking for extra time on tv i think the media and even the nba tried to set him up to be the future face of the nba and he shied away from it if anything. and i dont think he was ever comfortable or wanted the responsibility of having the team on his back like that. if anything he probably dont take to cp3s aggressiveness. blake seems real passive/soft at times lol
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just watched the video they basically said what i said...i agree they need to follow cp3s leadership.
blakes not that kind of leader type of player but if he were more competitive he could be with his athletic ability.