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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Hack Wilson - real on July 27, 2013, 01:11:39 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0
let's see Laker fans explain this
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THATS HILARIOUS....BITTER PORTLAND FANS. MUSTA BEEN GAY ALLEN.
http://www.youtube.com/v/M2kRFYW3k-M
JORDAN AND LEBRON GET THAT CALL 10 OUTTA 10 TIMES
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Nothing new, shit like this happens all the time. Teams that are suppose to be in the playoffs (good business for NBA), will get the help to get there.
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Nothing new, shit like this happens all the time. Teams that are suppose to be in the playoffs (good business for NBA), will get the help to get there.
STILL BULLSHIT...THE LAKERS HAD THEIR SHARE OF GAMES THIS SEASON WHERE CALLS WENT AGAINST US. LETS BE HONEST, WE AINT EXACTLY LEBRON STATUS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT EXTRA PUSH FROM THE LEAGUE. KOBE STILL KNOWN AS ONE OF THE MOST UNDERREFFED SUPERSTARS OF ALL TIME, IN COMPARISON TO NBA PRODUCTS LIKE JORDAN AND LEBRON, WHO GOT ALL THE CALLS.
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lmao you guys got Pau Gasol for a bunch of scrubs and Marc Gasol who didn't turn into a good player for a good 4+ years after
Stern had to save face when everyone saw you guys fleece the Hornets for CP3 and thankfully saved the league's integrity
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So funny to see NIK in denial.
Dohnogue already said the threepeat was ref given too.
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lmao you guys got Pau Gasol for a bunch of scrubs and Marc Gasol who didn't turn into a good player for a good 4+ years after
Stern had to save face when everyone saw you guys fleece the Hornets for CP3 and thankfully saved the league's integrity
U MEAN THE TRADE THAT GAVE THEM FLEXIBILITY TO SIGN THE ENTIRE ROSTER AND PROPELLED MEMPHIS TO THE NEXT LEVEL? IT'S ALREADY BEEN DOCUMENTED AS A GENIUS MOVE BY THE GRIZZLIES, SO MOVE ALONG
THE CP3 VETO IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE LEAGUE CONSTANTLY SHITTING ON THE LAKERS TO MAKES OTHERS LOOK GOOD. GOOD ISH BRINGIN THAT UP 8)
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So funny to see NIK in denial.
Dohnogue already said the threepeat was ref given too.
DENIAL HOW? BY DISPROVING THE THEORY WITH THE POSTING OF A VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE REFS WENT AGAINST US, AS WELL?
AND I POINT THIS OUT EVERY TIME YALL NUTLICKERS BRING IT UP, BUT IF U WANT ME TO SAY IT AGAIN, I WILL...DONAGHY SAID HE WAS INSTRUCTED TO EXTEND THE SERIES, NOT TO HELP THE LAKERS WIN. MEANING SOME GAMES WERE REFFED IN LAKERS FAVOR, WHILE SOME WERE REFFED IN SACRAMENTO'S FAVOR/... BUT I SEE U TRYNA REWRITE HISTORY IN ANY WAY IT FAVORS UR SIDE.....AND THATS WHY U AINT CREDIBLE, FAGGOT MY BOY.
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So funny to see NIK in denial.
Dohnogue already said the threepeat was ref given too.
yeah, the NBA knew the Kings were the better team but obviously one title for small ass Sacramento does nothing for the NBA like a three peat for the Lakers. Now I think we all know the NBA just needed to get the Lakers past the Kings to the finals and the rest would take care of itself since the east sucked :D
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BUT I SEE U TRYNA REWRITE HISTORY IN ANY WAY IT FAVORS UR SIDE.....AND THATS WHY U AINT CREDIBLE, FAGGOT MY BOY.
LOLOL. NIGGA. In the near fifteen years you've posted here, you've made a career out of doing this and literally close to 25 posters have called you out for it.
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DOES ANYTHING U SAY EVER HOLD GROUND? SHOW ME PROOF OF ME TRYNA RE-WRITE HISTORY AND I'LL STOP CALLIN U FAGGOT FOR A WEEK...IF U CANT DO IT, SHUT YA COCKSUCKIN MOUTH
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So funny to see NIK in denial.
Dohnogue already said the threepeat was ref given too.
yeah, the NBA knew the Kings were the better team but obviously one title for small ass Sacramento does nothing for the NBA like a three peat for the Lakers. Now I think we all know the NBA just needed to get the Lakers past the Kings to the finals and the rest would take care of itself since the east sucked :D
It also sold Kobe as the heir to Jordan in the league. Only makes them more interesting ten years later.
But you also have to take Vegas into consideration almost more so than the league's perspective. The people may have nailed "Lakers miss playoffs" prop and Vegas didn't want to get wrecked.
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LOL! NIGGA!!!
Every post you make that you want to favor for yourself, whether it makes you look better or what you're fighting for look better, you just make up your own shit.
For example, somehow every "fight" you almost got into with a forum member has crazy alternative stories every which way.
Or downplaying LeBron every chance you get, when he just repeated, with back to back season and Finals MVPs and just dominated Game 7 in an outrageous way. Even Skip Bayless gave up trying to criticize.
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So funny to see NIK in denial.
Dohnogue already said the threepeat was ref given too.
yeah, the NBA knew the Kings were the better team but obviously one title for small ass Sacramento does nothing for the NBA like a three peat for the Lakers. Now I think we all know the NBA just needed to get the Lakers past the Kings to the finals and the rest would take care of itself since the east sucked :D
It also sold Kobe as the heir to Jordan in the league. Only makes them more interesting ten years later.
But you also have to take Vegas into consideration almost more so than the league's perspective. The people may have nailed "Lakers miss playoffs" prop and Vegas didn't want to get wrecked.
remember this fact: the lakers would have had to give up their first round pick to Cleveland if they missed the playoffs
Cleveland doesn't get that Lakers lotto pick but ironically wins the lotto AGAIN despite having a small ass chance
sneaky shit
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So funny to see NIK in denial.
Dohnogue already said the threepeat was ref given too.
yeah, the NBA knew the Kings were the better team but obviously one title for small ass Sacramento does nothing for the NBA like a three peat for the Lakers. Now I think we all know the NBA just needed to get the Lakers past the Kings to the finals and the rest would take care of itself since the east sucked :D
It also sold Kobe as the heir to Jordan in the league. Only makes them more interesting ten years later.
But you also have to take Vegas into consideration almost more so than the league's perspective. The people may have nailed "Lakers miss playoffs" prop and Vegas didn't want to get wrecked.
KOBE AS THE HEIR TO JORDAN WAS CANCELED AFTER THE RAPE TRIAL.......THEY MOVED OVER TO LEBRON WITH THE QUICKNESS AFTER THAT SHIT.
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LOL! NIGGA!!!
Every post you make that you want to favor for yourself, whether it makes you look better or what you're fighting for look better, you just make up your own shit.
For example, somehow every "fight" you almost got into with a forum member has crazy alternative stories every which way.
Or downplaying LeBron every chance you get, when he just repeated, with back to back season and Finals MVPs and just dominated Game 7 in an outrageous way. Even Skip Bayless gave up trying to criticize.
FACTS ARE FACTS...LEBRON WON, THE HEAT DID GOOD, BUT HIS FINALS PERFORMANCE WAS NOT GOAT STATUS SHIT AS U'D LIKE IT TO BE. IN FACT, IT WAS A RAY ALLEN MISS AWAY FROM BEING AN EPIC CHOKE JOB, AND THERE AINT NO THIN LINE BETWEEN CHOKE ARTIST AND GOAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, QUIT SPEAKIN IN CIRCLES...EITHER PROVIDE PROOF LIKE I DO, OR REMAIN IN SILENCE. IT'S LIKE WHEN A KID IN 1ST GRADE SAYS SOMETHIN DUMB AND ANOTHER KID SAYS TO HIM "YOU'RE STUPID"...THEN KID WHO SAID THE DUMB SHIT SAYS "NO, YOU'RE STUPID!!" AS HIS REPLY...WHAT UR DOING RIGHT NOW IS THE INTERNET FORUM VERSION OF THAT. FALL BACK.
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kobe was a ron artest shot away from being a choker in game 7....kobe SUCKED that game
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kobe was a ron artest shot away from being a choker in game 7....kobe SUCKED that game
ARE U REALLY THIS RETARDED? KOBE WAS AMAZING THAT GAME... 30 POINTS 11 REBOUNDS 9 ASSISTS
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005270LAL.html
FURTHERMORE, HE WAS GREAT IN THE ENTIRE SERIES, PROBABLY ONE OF HIS BEST EVER
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I just gave you two examples. You're just the illest loser the Internet has ever had the misfortune of knowing.
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kobe was a ron artest shot away from being a choker in game 7....kobe SUCKED that game
ARE U REALLY THIS RETARDED? KOBE WAS AMAZING THAT GAME... 30 POINTS 11 REBOUNDS 9 ASSISTS
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005270LAL.html
FURTHERMORE, HE WAS GREAT IN THE ENTIRE SERIES, PROBABLY ONE OF HIS BEST EVER
what the fuck? that's not the game I'm referring to
I'm referring to this game where Kobe goes an AMAZING 6 out of 24 shooting:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006170LAL.html
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kobe was a ron artest shot away from being a choker in game 7....kobe SUCKED that game
ARE U REALLY THIS RETARDED? KOBE WAS AMAZING THAT GAME... 30 POINTS 11 REBOUNDS 9 ASSISTS
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005270LAL.html
FURTHERMORE, HE WAS GREAT IN THE ENTIRE SERIES, PROBABLY ONE OF HIS BEST EVER
what the fuck? that's not the game I'm referring to
I'm referring to this game where Kobe goes an AMAZING 6 out of 24 shooting:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006170LAL.html
OH, THE 15 REBOUND GAME? LOL...KOBE STILL HAD A GEAT SERIES LEADING TO THAT POINT. NOT LIKE LEBRON, WHO WAS CHOKING THE ENTIRE TIME LEADING INTO THOSE MOMENTS. FEEL IT, PEETAH
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Lebron had 2 bad games, Kobe had 1. How do you get from this to "chocking the entire series". As always, you're going from one extreme to the other.
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Loll.
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Lebron had 2 bad games, Kobe had 1. How do you get from this to "chocking the entire series". As always, you're going from one extreme to the other.
LOL, HE HAD 2 BAD GAMES? WTF??
FIRST THREE GAMES WAS HELD TO UNDER 20 WHEN MIAMI WAS DESPERATE FOR SCORING. THATS 10 POINTS UNDER HIS AVERAGE...GAME 5 WAS TERRIBLE, AGAIN (8-22), PADDED STATS AFTER GAME DECIDED. GAME 6 WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE "HEAD-BAND" MOMENT (WAS 3-13 AT ONE POINT)...HE WAS BASICALLY WHACK FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, HEAT FANS WERE CALLIN FOR HIS HEAD BY GAME 6, YOUNG'N
HE WAS PLAYIN SO BAD HE WAS NOT ONLY GUARDED 1-ON-1, BUT WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION
I AM SHOCKED N APPALED THAT U WOULD COMPARE THAT TO KOBE...SERIOUSLY, MEHO.
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FIRST THREE GAMES WAS HELD TO UNDER 20 WHEN MIAMI WAS DESPERATE FOR SCORING. THATS 10 POINTS UNDER HIS AVERAGE...
First game was a triple double, 7-16 shooting. There's no way anybody is gonna convince me that a triple double in the fucking finals, once again finals, is a terrible game.
Second game he had 17-8-7, plus 3 blocks and 3 steals, on 7-17 shooting. Okay, let's say it's a bad game by Lebron standards. By Lebron standards.
Third game. Bad game.
GAME 5 WAS TERRIBLE, AGAIN (8-22), PADDED STATS AFTER GAME DECIDED.
Don't care. What matters is the end is the result and game plays for 48 mintues. I don't give a fuck about the what if games you keep on playing.
GAME 6 WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE "HEAD-BAND" MOMENT (WAS 3-13 AT ONE POINT)...
What the fuck? Until? Who gives a flying fuck. Is a player suppose to have a linear progression in all his games?? The fuck is with this shit dude. I don't give a shit if he sucked untill the 47 minute, if he beasted and helped his team to win in the final minute. Again, you're playing the what if game.
HE WAS BASICALLY WHACK FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, HEAT FANS WERE CALLIN FOR HIS HEAD BY GAME 6, YOUNG'N
You're calling me youngin and you're the one who's going by what the fucking Heat fans said?? Heat fans, really? As a self proclaimed bball expert, you should know better not to quote the retarded Heat fans.
HE WAS PLAYIN SO BAD HE WAS NOT ONLY GUARDED 1-ON-1, BUT WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION
Don't care yet again. He was guarded with a 5 foot cushion on jumpshots and not in the paint. Quit acting like it was a highway to the basket. Popovich gambled and failed, with game 7 being the symbolic statement where Lebron won the crucial game by himself in the last quarter.
I AM SHOCKED N APPALED THAT U WOULD COMPARE THAT TO KOBE...SERIOUSLY, MEHO.
Only you are shocked and appalled. You are the one who's always speaking in absolutes and making such a gigantic difference between 1 terrible game vs. 2 terrible games. The difference between us is, that I can easily say the same things for Kobe if the roles were reversed, while you can't, because of your blind dickriding. And you know it.
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Damn. Meho hitting that nigga with straight haymakers.
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FIRST THREE GAMES WAS HELD TO UNDER 20 WHEN MIAMI WAS DESPERATE FOR SCORING. THATS 10 POINTS UNDER HIS AVERAGE...
First game was a triple double, 7-16 shooting. There's no way anybody is gonna convince me that a triple double in the fucking finals, once again finals, is a terrible game.
Second game he had 17-8-7, plus 3 blocks and 3 steals, on 7-17 shooting. Okay, let's say it's a bad game by Lebron standards. By Lebron standards.
Third game. Bad game.
LOL YEA, BEIN HELD TO 10 POINTS UNDER YOUR AVERAGE WHEN UR TEAM DEPENDS ON U TO SCORE BECAUSE UR HESITANT TO SHOOT IS PRETTY BAD. AND 7-16 FROM THE FIELD ON 43% SHOOTING WHEN HE AVERAGES 56% FROM THE FIELD IS ALSO PRETTY BAD...AND AGAIN, WHAT THE FUCK DO U MEAN BY LEBRON STANDARDS? THATS THE STANDARD I'M HOLDING HIM TO, GENIUS... GAME 2, AGAIN, HELD TO 10 POINTS UNDER HIS AVERAGE 41% FROM THE FIELD....GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE
GAME 5 WAS TERRIBLE, AGAIN (8-22), PADDED STATS AFTER GAME DECIDED.
Don't care. What matters is the end is the result and game plays for 48 mintues. I don't give a fuck about the what if games you keep on playing.
WTF DO U MEAN "WHAT IF GAMES"? THERE IS NO WHAT IF...THEY LOST THIS GAME, AND AGAIN, HE SHOT WAY WORSE THAN HIS REGULAR SEASON STANDARD. ANOTHER BAD GAME, AND THE END RESULT WAS BAD TOO, SO WTF U GOIN ON ABOUT?
GAME 6 WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE "HEAD-BAND" MOMENT (WAS 3-13 AT ONE POINT)...
What the fuck? Until? Who gives a flying fuck. Is a player suppose to have a linear progression in all his games?? The fuck is with this shit dude. I don't give a shit if he sucked untill the 47 minute, if he beasted and helped his team to win in the final minute. Again, you're playing the what if game.
I'LL GIVE U THIS GAME...IT WAS OVERALL GOOD SINCE HE HAD THE CHANCE TO SALVAGE HIS STATS IN OVERTIME, WHICH LED TO A WIN. SITLL ONLY 3 GOOD GAMES, THOUGH.. THE POINT IS THAT HE WAS PLAYIN SUB-PAR FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES.. IF U CHOP IT INTO SEGMENTS, THERE ARE MORE SEGMENTS WHERE LEBRON WAS UNDERPERFORMING THAN SEGMENTS WHERE HE OVERPERFORMED...AND BY A WIDE MARGIN. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S 50/50 OR SOME SHIT, HE WAS BEING SHITTED ON BY EVER1 FOR 85% OF THE SERIES...EVEN GO READ THE POSTS ABOUT HIM HERE LEADING INTO GAME 6. EVERY GAME WAS A MYSTERY OF WHETHER HE'D SHOW UP OR NOT, AND U NOT ONLY FAILIN TO REALIZE THIS BUT ALSO TRYNA FLAT OUT DENY IT IS GETTIN ESPNISH.
HE WAS BASICALLY WHACK FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, HEAT FANS WERE CALLIN FOR HIS HEAD BY GAME 6, YOUNG'N
You're calling me youngin and you're the one who's going by what the fucking Heat fans said?? Heat fans, really? As a self proclaimed bball expert, you should know better not to quote the retarded Heat fans.
IT WASNT JUST HEAT FANS...EVEN PEEPS ON HERE, EVERYWHERE, ALL AROUND THE WORLD WERE QUESTIONIN WHETHER LEBRON WOULD SHOW UP BEFORE EVERY SINGLE GAME. U NEVER GET THOSE KINDA QUESTIONS WITH KOBE...EVER. IT'S NEVER A TOPIC SURROUNDING A LAKER GAME, BUT IT ALWAYS WAS WITH LEBRON. WILL HE CHOKE? WILL HE HESITATE TO TAKE OVER AND SHOOT? WILL HE KEEP BRICKIN JUMPERS? THIS IS WHAT THE PRE-GAME TOPIC WAS PRIOR TO EVERY CONTEST.
HE WAS PLAYIN SO BAD HE WAS NOT ONLY GUARDED 1-ON-1, BUT WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION
Don't care yet again. He was guarded with a 5 foot cushion on jumpshots and not in the paint. Quit acting like it was a highway to the basket. Popovich gambled and failed, with game 7 being the symbolic statement where Lebron won the crucial game by himself in the last quarter.
HOW CAN U GUARD SOME1 WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION IN THE PAINT? WTF, U MAKIN EXCUSES FOR HIM NOW? LMAO...CHOP IT UP HOWEVER U WANT, IF KOBE WAS EVER GUARDED LIKE THAT, HE GOES FOR 50 EVERY NIGHT. POPOVICH FAILED BY BENCHING TONY PARKER AND TIM DUNCAN IN CRUCIAL MOMENTS. THE 5 FOOT CUSHION WAS ACTUALLY WORKIN IN HIS FAVOR FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, AND THATS MY POINT.
I AM SHOCKED N APPALED THAT U WOULD COMPARE THAT TO KOBE...SERIOUSLY, MEHO.
Only you are shocked and appalled. You are the one who's always speaking in absolutes and making such a gigantic difference between 1 terrible game vs. 2 terrible games. The difference between us is, that I can easily say the same things for Kobe if the roles were reversed, while you can't, because of your blind dickriding. And you know it.
IT'S NOT 1 GAME VS 2 GAMES..NOT EVEN CLOSE. KEEP TRYNA FLIP IT HOWEVER U WANT, BUT SHOOTING UNDER 10% BELOW UR FG% AND SCORING 10 POINTS UNDER UR AVERAGE WHEN UR ALREADY KNOWN FOR STEPPING IT DOWN IN BIG MOMENTS IS WHAT IT IS...CHOKING- EVERY SINGLE TIME... LEBRON AND KOBE ARE OF 2 DIFFERENT BUILDS, AND IF U CANT REALIZE THIS BY NOW THEN U AINT EVEN WORTH DISCUSSIN WITH. SAY HE'S GREAT ALL U WANT, BUT IF UP UNTIL THIS POINT U DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EM THEN U NEVER WILL.
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Why are you so infatuated with his shooting stats? Lebron is not a SG. He has so much more to his game than just shooting. His primary role isn't a shooter, he's practically the play maker of the Heat team.
And how can you say with a straight face that there were more segments of him underperforming is crazy, since his team won. And we all know what Bosh & Wade did in the entire finals. Also, you keep mentioning fans, like sports fans aren't fickle. If you have one terrible game, they'll turn on you quickly. It's like that in every sport. And let's not act like everything is so peachy with Kobe. Let's not act like he's no called a ballhog, making jokes about him never passing, always shooting like a mad man even if it's not his not, taking as many shots as he wants to...and I wonder what the comments were about him during that game 7, when he kept bricking shots left and right. But it doesn't matter, because Lakers won eventually. And that's all that matters.
But of course, there's no denying that Lebron has that cloud of doubt over him when it comes to the 4th/clutch quarter. Nobody is denying that. He was terrible at it from the get go, but like I've said to you before, he keeps getting better at it. He practically won GAME 7 OF THE FINALS by himself in the 4TH QUARTER. Read that again. Scoring 37 points plus whatever else. And he still has so much room for improvement in that area. Which is something the NBA world should fear, because this means Lebron can still get way better.
So yeah Kobe is better than Lebron in this aspect. But there's so much more to the basketball game than 4th quarter and clutch shots. And like I've mentioned, Lebron is improving in this area with every single season.
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Why are you so infatuated with his shooting stats? Lebron is not a SG. He has so much more to his game than just shooting. His primary role isn't a shooter, he's practically the play maker of the Heat team.
HE'S ALSO THE TOP SCORER OF HIS TEAM+LEAGUE AND BILLED AS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS EVER. SCORING UNDER 20 IN 3 CONSECUTIVE FINALS GAMES IS BAD, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE RESULT IS LOSSES.
And how can you say with a straight face that there were more segments of him underperforming is crazy, since his team won. And we all know what Bosh & Wade did in the entire finals.
AGAIN, DID U EVEN WATCH? WADE WAS GREAT IN THE FINALS. IT WAS THE PACERS SERIES HE DIDNT SHOW UP FOR. BOSH HAD A DOUBLE-DOUBLE IN 4 OUTTA 7 GAMES. NOT TO MENTION, THE UNEXPECTED BIG GAMES FROM ROLE PLAYERS, MILLER, CHALMERS, BATTIER, RAY ALLEN... U DEFINITELY DIDNT WATCH ALL THE GAMES, I CAN ALMOST ASSURE THIS BY THE WAY UR SPEAKING. I WATCHED EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY GAME AS IT HAPPENED. HE WAS DEFINITELY UNDERPERFORMING FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES, AND IF U DONT BELIEVE ME, PLEASE GO WATCH IT AGAIN AND COME BACK.
Also, you keep mentioning fans, like sports fans aren't fickle. If you have one terrible game, they'll turn on you quickly. It's like that in every sport. And let's not act like everything is so peachy with Kobe. Let's not act like he's no called a ballhog, making jokes about him never passing, always shooting like a mad man even if it's not his not, taking as many shots as he wants to...and I wonder what the comments were about him during that game 7, when he kept bricking shots left and right. But it doesn't matter, because Lakers won eventually. And that's all that matters.
DIFFERENT TO BE KNOWN AS A BALLHOG THAN AS A CHOKE...PEOPLE NEVER QUESTION WHETHER KOBE BRYANT WILL SHOW UP PRIOR TO A CONTEST. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. AND IT AINT ABOUT FANS OR MEDIA....LEBRON GETS MORE PASSES FROM THE MEDIA THAN ANY PLAYER IN ANY SPORT, AND FANS TYPICALLY FOLLOW SUIT. THE MEDIA HAS BEEN RELENTLESSLY TRYNA ELEVATE HIM TO MYTHICAL STATUS FROM DAY 1, HE'S BEEN SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS ALA JORDAN IN THE 90S- A TRUE PRODUCT OF THE NBA. BUT U SAY IT RIGHT HERE:
But of course, there's no denying that Lebron has that cloud of doubt over him when it comes to the 4th/clutch quarter. Nobody is denying that. He was terrible at it from the get go, but like I've said to you before, he keeps getting better at it. He practically won GAME 7 OF THE FINALS by himself in the 4TH QUARTER. Read that again. Scoring 37 points plus whatever else. And he still has so much room for improvement in that area. Which is something the NBA world should fear, because this means Lebron can still get way better.
MONEY...THERE IS NO THIN LINE BETWEEN CHOKE ARTIST AND GREAT CLOSER. LETS JUST SAY LEBRON HAD A LOT OF LUCK ON HIS SIDE IN THE SERIES, FROM RAY ALLEN HITTING THE THREE, TO MANU GINOBLI FUCKIN UP BAD, TO GREG POPOVICH TAKING DUNCAN AND PARKER OUT IN CRUCIAL MOMENTS...HE WAS SECONDS AWAY FROM ONCE AGAIN BEIN KNOWN AS THE STEREOTYPICAL LECHOKE. THATS THE THIN LINE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN ILLUSION. AGAIN, HE'S A PHYSICAL SPECIMEN WITH GREAT ATHLETIC ABILITY AND GOOD SKILL. NOT TAKIN THAT AWAY FROM HIM. BUT LIKE U SAID, HE HAS A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN CONSISTENTLY MEETING PRESSURE AND BEING ELEVATED TO THAT GOAT STATUS THE MEDIA PAINTS HIM IN.
So yeah Kobe is better than Lebron in this aspect. But there's so much more to the basketball game than 4th quarter and clutch shots. And like I've mentioned, Lebron is improving in this area with every single season.
FUCK THE CLOSER ARGUMENT, PRIME LEBRON IS NOWHERE NEAR PRIME KOBE IN TERMS OF PURE BASKETBALL SKILL. KOBE PROBABLY HAS THE MOST COMPLETE OFFENSIVE ARSENAL OF ANY PLAYER EVER, CONSISTENTLY 1ST TEAM ALL D+AVERAGED ONLY 1 LESS ASSIST THAN LEBRON THIS SEASON, WITHOUT ALL THE KNOCKDOWN SHOOTERS ON HIS SIDE.. SO MISS ME WITH THAT "THERES MORE TO BASKETBALL THAN SCORIN SHIT". LEBRON'S INCONSISTENCIES ON OFFENSE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN EXPOSED TIME N TIME AGAIN, SO AS MUCH AS HE'S IMPROVIN, LIKE U SAID, HE STILL HAS A LOT MORE ROOM TO GROW..
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There you go talking about luck, among other bullshit. Only when it comes to Lebron. I don't know why I even get into arguments with you regarding anything Lebron vs. Kobe because it's impossible to have a normal debate. Subjective that is.
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This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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There you go talking about luck, among other bullshit. Only when it comes to Lebron. I don't know why I even get into arguments with you regarding anything Lebron vs. Kobe because it's impossible to have a normal debate. Subjective that is.
lol like im the only person who says LeBron is predispose to choking.... U watch too much tv
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It's not about chocking at all. If that was your only argument, I'd be fine with it, since I'm the one who keeps saying that his 4th quarter/clutch time game needs hella more improvement. You're talking about him under performing the whole finals, which is just bullshit.
And great post by Whoisthis, but you shouldn't bother. Nik will somehow be able to throw some things around and again do what he does best. It's impossible to have a normal bball debate with him regarding anything Kobe. But besides that, ain't nothing wrong with him.
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This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...SECONDLY, THE FACT THAT LEBRON WASNT GOING TO THE LINE WAS PART OF WHY HE WAS CRITICIZED SO HEAVILY TO BEGIN WITH- HE WASNT TAKING IT IN, BUT INSTEAD SETTLING FOR LONG JUMPERS! THIS IS WHY HE'S KNOWN AS A CHOKE...AS SOON AS THE FINALS ROLL ALONG, HE BECOMES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER AND THE PASSIVENESS IN HIS GAME IS MAGNIFIED BY 100X...THIS IS WHY HE DOESNT GET THE CALLS- NOT BECAUSE THE REFS AINT ON HIS DICK, BECAUSE LORD KNOWS THEY ARE...HE SIMPLY DIDNT FORCING THE ISSUE - UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVIN MY POINT.
HERES A GAME BY GAME BREAK-DOWN OF KOBE VS BOSTON TO HELP U UNDERSTAND THAT KOBE CARRIED THAT TEAM, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ALA LEBRON VS THE SPURS
GAME 1: 30 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- SUPERB GAME 1 UP TO HIS STANDARDS
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
GAME 3: 29 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME, LAKERS WON, KOBE WAS BY FAR THE LEADING SCORER FOR LA
GAME 4: 33 POINTS, 6 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME FOR KOBE, REST OF THE TEAM LET HIM DOWN, LAKERS LOSE.. STILL DONT SEE ANYTHING WHERE HE CAN BE COMPARED TO LEBRON IN THIS YEARS FINALS, AND THATS 4 GAMES IN
GAME 5: 38 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER EXCEPTIONAL GAME WHERE HIS TEAMMATES LET HIM DOWN AND LAKERS LOSE, SECOND LEADING SCORER WAS GASOL WIT 12 POINTS SMH
GAME 6: 26 POINTS, 11 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTS- GREAT GAME, GASOL PLAYED LIKE A SECOND OPTION WITH 17 POINTS, SO LAKERS WIN
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
ALSO, KOBE WAS THE LEADING SCORER IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE GAMES. LETS NOT FORGET, WE HAD THE LIKES OF MARIO CHALMERS AND DANNY GREEN OUTSCORING LEBRON IN THESE FINALS....AND THE EYE TEST IS REALLY WHAT SAYS IT ALL. KOBE STEPS UP TO EVERY BIG MOMENT WITH HIS HEAD UP. IF U TRULY DID WATCH THESE FINALS UDA SEEN THAT LEBRON HAS HIS TAIL TUCKED BETWEEN HIS LEGS OVER HALF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS TEAM LACKS MOMENTUM. WHEN HIS TEAM HAS MOMENTUM IS WHEN HE GOES ON HIS BEASTLY SPURTS AND STAT-PADS, BUT OVERALL, THE TENACITY IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE TENACITY OF THE GOATS, AND THERES NO WAY 2 ARGUE THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
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It's not about chocking at all. If that was your only argument, I'd be fine with it, since I'm the one who keeps saying that his 4th quarter/clutch time game needs hella more improvement. You're talking about him under performing the whole finals, which is just bullshit.
And great post by Whoisthis, but you shouldn't bother. Nik will somehow be able to throw some things around and again do what he does best. It's impossible to have a normal bball debate with him regarding anything Kobe. But besides that, ain't nothing wrong with him.
HE WASNT UNDERPERFORMING FOR THE WHOLE FINALS, BUT HE WAS MOST OF IT...AND THATS 100% TRUTH...HE WON IN 2012 AND I DIDNT SAY THAT. U KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT WASNT THE CASE IN THOSE FINALS...BUT IN 2013, LEBRON WAS CHOKING BIG TIME UP UNTIL RAY ALLEN HIT THAT THREE...IF U DONT BELIEVE ME, GO BACK AND WATCH ALL 7 GAMES FROM START TO FINISH ALL OVER AGAIN AND KEEP WHAT I SAID IN MIND WHILE WATCHING.
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We need a new mod. This is embarrassing.
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This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...SECONDLY, THE FACT THAT LEBRON WASNT GOING TO THE LINE WAS PART OF WHY HE WAS CRITICIZED SO HEAVILY TO BEGIN WITH- HE WASNT TAKING IT IN, BUT INSTEAD SETTLING FOR LONG JUMPERS! THIS IS WHY HE'S KNOWN AS A CHOKE...AS SOON AS THE FINALS ROLL ALONG, HE BECOMES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER AND THE PASSIVENESS IN HIS GAME IS MAGNIFIED BY 100X...THIS IS WHY HE DOESNT GET THE CALLS- NOT BECAUSE THE REFS AINT ON HIS DICK, BECAUSE LORD KNOWS THEY ARE...HE SIMPLY DIDNT FORCING THE ISSUE - UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVIN MY POINT.
HERES A GAME BY GAME BREAK-DOWN OF KOBE VS BOSTON TO HELP U UNDERSTAND THAT KOBE CARRIED THAT TEAM, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ALA LEBRON VS THE SPURS
GAME 1: 30 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- SUPERB GAME 1 UP TO HIS STANDARDS
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
GAME 3: 29 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME, LAKERS WON, KOBE WAS BY FAR THE LEADING SCORER FOR LA
GAME 4: 33 POINTS, 6 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME FOR KOBE, REST OF THE TEAM LET HIM DOWN, LAKERS LOSE.. STILL DONT SEE ANYTHING WHERE HE CAN BE COMPARED TO LEBRON IN THIS YEARS FINALS, AND THATS 4 GAMES IN
GAME 5: 38 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER EXCEPTIONAL GAME WHERE HIS TEAMMATES LET HIM DOWN AND LAKERS LOSE, SECOND LEADING SCORER WAS GASOL WIT 12 POINTS SMH
GAME 6: 26 POINTS, 11 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTS- GREAT GAME, GASOL PLAYED LIKE A SECOND OPTION WITH 17 POINTS, SO LAKERS WIN
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
ALSO, KOBE WAS THE LEADING SCORER IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE GAMES. LETS NOT FORGET, WE HAD THE LIKES OF MARIO CHALMERS AND DANNY GREEN OUTSCORING LEBRON IN THESE FINALS....AND THE EYE TEST IS REALLY WHAT SAYS IT ALL. KOBE STEPS UP TO EVERY BIG MOMENT WITH HIS HEAD UP. IF U TRULY DID WATCH THESE FINALS UDA SEEN THAT LEBRON HAS HIS TAIL TUCKED BETWEEN HIS LEGS OVER HALF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS TEAM LACKS MOMENTUM. WHEN HIS TEAM HAS MOMENTUM IS WHEN HE GOES ON HIS BEASTLY SPURTS AND STAT-PADS, BUT OVERALL, THE TENACITY IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE TENACITY OF THE GOATS, AND THERES NO WAY 2 ARGUE THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
Why yes, it does work that way. You just said yourself, LeBron was struggling to get to the rim, so he was settling for jumpers, which you just said is not what he's known for. Yet, in those games, doing things he was not known for, he still shot better than Kobe. Has Kobe ever shot 40% from 3? LeBron just did. LeBron is known for getting to the rim, but his game has evolved, greatly. To say comparing LeBron and Kobe shooting wise is like comparing Shaq and Jordan is absurd. Check any site that breaks down shooting percentages. Kobe is only better last year than LeBron within 10-15 Feet. At the Rim, 3-9 Feet, 16-23 and 3PT all belong to LeBron. I could never make that case for Shaq vs. Jordan, now can I?
Where you lose steam is when you break down Kobe's games. You do not mention his poor shooting (and being a shooting guard does not give you the free range to shoot under 40% and not be held accountable for it.) You find everything he did well. Now, when you look at LeBron's games you just look at Shooting % and Scoring. There's much more to the game than just offense. There's much more to why LeBron struggled. When he did drive, the Spurs packed the paint. They were the physical team and even though there was a lot of contact when he went to the rim, LeBron didn't get many fouls called his way. Instead of forcing the issue, he would pass out to his teammates. They had some good games and they had some bad games. He is, after all, a pass first forward and did what he does best... Pass.
So here's a breakdown:
Game 1: 18/18/10 Now, you crush him for shooting 43% but he led his team in Points, Assists and Rebounds. He was the high Ast and Reb man for the game.
Game 2: 17/8/7 3 steals, 3 blocks. Scored 2 points less than the leading scorer, not quite as dramatic as you made it seem and again led the team and game in Ast.
Game 3: 15/11/5 2 steals. Only 1 point less than the leading scorer on his team. Led in boards and Assists.
Game 4: 33/11/4 2 steals, 2 blocks. No explanation needed.
Game 5: 25/6/8 4 steals. Tied for most points. Led in Boards and 2nd in Assists.
Game 6: 32/10/11 3 steals, 1 block. The "Choke" game.*
Game 7: 37/12/4 2 steals. No explanation needed.
This man was the all around leader in every game. Whether it was hitting the Boards. Willingly passing to a teammate. Defending (think about what Tony Parker did when LBJ was on him). It's not always about scoring.
*This asterisk is to notate that while you call out LeBron for choking in Game 6, you give Kobe props for his Game 7.
But a triple double, 32/10/11 on 11/26 beats 23/15/2 on 6/24 every day. LeBron had some turnovers but hit a 3 with 20 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, Kobe only hit 1 field goal the entire 4th quarter, but got to the line a lot. More proof that Kobe gets plenty of calls, especially when they count. So, again, why do you give Kobe a pass and not LeBron?
You do not really speak in Truth, more half-truth and opinion. All I can use are real numbers, my eyes and my brain, more than my heart. You speak of the good Kobe does and brush over the bad. You speak of the bad LeBron does and hardly even glimpse at the good.
These are not to say that LeBron is better than Kobe in the clutch, but that they're not far off. Final 5 minutes, +/-5 Points.
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Again, it's not all about scoring. LeBron is Rebounds better in the clutch last year. Assisted far better. Protected the ball better. His +/- and Defensive Rating were ridiculous in the clutch.
You have a lot of knowledge when it comes to Basketball, but you have too much emotion involved in discussing all things Kobe and all things LeBron.
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I think NIK just deleted his account.
I officially deem "whoisthis" the basketball guru of the forum.
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This thread was based on a video talking about the Lakers getting the foul calls. It turns into a LeBron v Kobe thing because someone wants to deflect.
In the 2010 Finals, Kobe shot 40% or lower, 3 times. In those 3 games, he put up 73 shots and only making 24 total. But, despite his horrific shooting, which includes an amazing 3/20 from 3, Kobe still scored 73 Points. How does one score 73 points while only shooting 32.8% from the field and 15% from 3? We'll come back to that in a bit.
You say that LeBron gets the calls. You've crushed LeBron for his first 3 games of the finals due to his scoring. Well, he shot 38% from the field in those 3 games, still better than what Kobe did in his 3 bad games against Boston. 23% from 3, terrible, but better than 15%, right? Now, we've established that LeBron somehow still shot better from the field and from the 3 than Kobe, but we haven't looked at how they match up at the line.
Kobe
Game 2: 3/3
Game 3: 8/8
Game 7: 11/15
Finals overall: 53/60
LeBron
Game 1: 3/4
Game 2: 2/2
Game 3: 0/0
Finals overall: 31/39
But, I thought you said Kobe never gets the calls LeBron gets? I'm confused a little bit now. Kobe got to the line 26 times. Nearly 4 1/2 times more than LeBron did in their "Bad Shooting Finals" games. Kobe got to the line 21 more times for the series, that's 3 extra attempts per game.
Take out the emotion for a second. Take out the fact that you are a Kobe fan and not a fan of LeBron (all childish nicknames aside). Just looking at things evenly.
Does Kobe get the foul calls? Yes. Does Kobe have bad games even in the Finals? Yes. Has Kobe been bailed out by the likes of Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Ron Artest? Yes.
So why crush LeBron, but give Kobe props (or a pass), for the same things?
You are crushing LeBron because he's not shooting his 56% from the field every game (though it is called AN AVERAGE), but mention nothing about Kobe's atrocious shooting nights. You glaze over them. Remember this, Kobe's BEST shooting percentage in his career would be LeBron's 2nd worst. Maybe you glaze over these bad nights from Kobe because you are (unknowingly) admitting LeBron is a better shooter than Kobe? I mean, LeBron does have 4 seasons over 50% and Kobe has none over 46.9%.
I'm sure this topic will go on for another few days with the words like "Faggot," "Cocksucker," "Dickrider," "Nigga," "Youngin'," etc. being thrown around and adding nothing of value. And individual games will be broken down by the minute. And every mistake LeBron has made will be amplified and every Kobe mistake will be disregarded... I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...SECONDLY, THE FACT THAT LEBRON WASNT GOING TO THE LINE WAS PART OF WHY HE WAS CRITICIZED SO HEAVILY TO BEGIN WITH- HE WASNT TAKING IT IN, BUT INSTEAD SETTLING FOR LONG JUMPERS! THIS IS WHY HE'S KNOWN AS A CHOKE...AS SOON AS THE FINALS ROLL ALONG, HE BECOMES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER AND THE PASSIVENESS IN HIS GAME IS MAGNIFIED BY 100X...THIS IS WHY HE DOESNT GET THE CALLS- NOT BECAUSE THE REFS AINT ON HIS DICK, BECAUSE LORD KNOWS THEY ARE...HE SIMPLY DIDNT FORCING THE ISSUE - UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVIN MY POINT.
HERES A GAME BY GAME BREAK-DOWN OF KOBE VS BOSTON TO HELP U UNDERSTAND THAT KOBE CARRIED THAT TEAM, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND ALA LEBRON VS THE SPURS
GAME 1: 30 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- SUPERB GAME 1 UP TO HIS STANDARDS
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
GAME 3: 29 POINTS, 7 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME, LAKERS WON, KOBE WAS BY FAR THE LEADING SCORER FOR LA
GAME 4: 33 POINTS, 6 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- ANOTHER GOOD GAME FOR KOBE, REST OF THE TEAM LET HIM DOWN, LAKERS LOSE.. STILL DONT SEE ANYTHING WHERE HE CAN BE COMPARED TO LEBRON IN THIS YEARS FINALS, AND THATS 4 GAMES IN
GAME 5: 38 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 4 ASSISTS- ANOTHER EXCEPTIONAL GAME WHERE HIS TEAMMATES LET HIM DOWN AND LAKERS LOSE, SECOND LEADING SCORER WAS GASOL WIT 12 POINTS SMH
GAME 6: 26 POINTS, 11 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTS- GREAT GAME, GASOL PLAYED LIKE A SECOND OPTION WITH 17 POINTS, SO LAKERS WIN
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
ALSO, KOBE WAS THE LEADING SCORER IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE GAMES. LETS NOT FORGET, WE HAD THE LIKES OF MARIO CHALMERS AND DANNY GREEN OUTSCORING LEBRON IN THESE FINALS....AND THE EYE TEST IS REALLY WHAT SAYS IT ALL. KOBE STEPS UP TO EVERY BIG MOMENT WITH HIS HEAD UP. IF U TRULY DID WATCH THESE FINALS UDA SEEN THAT LEBRON HAS HIS TAIL TUCKED BETWEEN HIS LEGS OVER HALF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN HIS TEAM LACKS MOMENTUM. WHEN HIS TEAM HAS MOMENTUM IS WHEN HE GOES ON HIS BEASTLY SPURTS AND STAT-PADS, BUT OVERALL, THE TENACITY IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THE TENACITY OF THE GOATS, AND THERES NO WAY 2 ARGUE THIS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
Why yes, it does work that way. You just said yourself, LeBron was struggling to get to the rim, so he was settling for jumpers, which you just said is not what he's known for. Yet, in those games, doing things he was not known for, he still shot better than Kobe. Has Kobe ever shot 40% from 3? LeBron just did. LeBron is known for getting to the rim, but his game has evolved, greatly. To say comparing LeBron and Kobe shooting wise is like comparing Shaq and Jordan is absurd. Check any site that breaks down shooting percentages. Kobe is only better last year than LeBron within 10-15 Feet. At the Rim, 3-9 Feet, 16-23 and 3PT all belong to LeBron. I could never make that case for Shaq vs. Jordan, now can I?
WHAT ARE U TRYNA SAY? LEBRON HAS A BETTER JUMPER THAN KOBE? IF THATS WHAT UR TRYNA CLAIM, THEN U JUST SHITTED ON UR OWN CREDIBILITY. LEBRON SHOOTS HIGH PERCENTAGE FROM THREES BECAUSE HE ONLY TAKES THEM IF THEYRE WIDE OPEN SPOT UP SHOTS. HE'S NOT FORCED TO SHOOT OVER INTENSE DEFENSES LIKE KOBE...AND WHYS THAT? BECAUSE OPPOSING TEAMS GIVE HIM THE JUMPER. THATS WHAT DEFENSES WANT- LET LEBRON SHOOT. BUT AGAIN, U IGNORE MY POINT...HE'S A SMALL FORWARD AND A PASS-FIRST PLAYER, WHICH MEANS HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE HIGHER.
Where you lose steam is when you break down Kobe's games. You do not mention his poor shooting (and being a shooting guard does not give you the free range to shoot under 40% and not be held accountable for it.) You find everything he did well. Now, when you look at LeBron's games you just look at Shooting % and Scoring. There's much more to the game than just offense. There's much more to why LeBron struggled. When he did drive, the Spurs packed the paint. They were the physical team and even though there was a lot of contact when he went to the rim, LeBron didn't get many fouls called his way. Instead of forcing the issue, he would pass out to his teammates. They had some good games and they had some bad games. He is, after all, a pass first forward and did what he does best... Pass.
LEBRON AND KOBE ARE BOTH EXPECTED TO CARRY THEIR TEAM TO THE PROMISE LAND....HAVING BAD SHOOTING NIGHTS IS ONE THING. BEING SCARED TO SHOOT AND SCORING 10 POINTS LESS THAN UR SCORING AVERAGE DUE TO THAT IS ANOTHER.....AND FOR 3 CONSECUTIVE GAMES? COME ON, NOW.
So here's a breakdown:
Game 1: 18/18/10 Now, you crush him for shooting 43% but he led his team in Points, Assists and Rebounds. He was the high Ast and Reb man for the game.
Game 2: 17/8/7 3 steals, 3 blocks. Scored 2 points less than the leading scorer, not quite as dramatic as you made it seem and again led the team and game in Ast.
Game 3: 15/11/5 2 steals. Only 1 point less than the leading scorer on his team. Led in boards and Assists.
THESE GAMES WERE TERRIBLE IF U PUT EM TO THE EYE TEST..THE REASON LEBRON WAS STRUGGLING TO SCORE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS NERVOUS AND NOT PLAYIN THE SAME GAME AS HE WAS IN THE REGULAR SEASON. HE WAS SETTLING FOR JUMPERS, HESITANT TO DRIVE, PLAYIN EXTREMELY PASSIVE ON A MAJOR SCALE...THIS IS NOT REALLY UP FOR DEBATE. TWICE IT LED TO A LOSS, AND ONCE, GOT SAVED BY MARIO CHALMERS (LEADING SCORER IN THE GAME THAT RESULTED IN A VICTORY LOL). MAKE EXCUSES ALL U WANT, BUT FOR "THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD" TO SCORE 18, 17, AND 15 IN HIS FIRST 3 FINALS GAMES IS NOT GOOD, NO MATTER WHAT WAY U TRY TO SLICE IT...AND NO, THE PADDED STATS DONT HELP NEITHER.
Game 4: 33/11/4 2 steals, 2 blocks. No explanation needed.
GOOD GAME FOR LEBRON, 1ST IN 4 GAMES
Game 5: 25/6/8 4 steals. Tied for most points. Led in Boards and 2nd in Assists.
A LOT OF STATS COLLECTED IN GARBAGE TIME, STILL ENDED 8-22 FROM THE FIELD (43%, AS OPPOSED TO 56% HE SHOT IN THE REGULAR SEASON=UNDERPERFORMING)...AGAIN, EYE TEST SHOWED LEBRON STRUGGLING THE ENTIRE GAME. EVEN VAN GUNDY STARTED CALLIN HIM OUT BY THIS POINT. JUMPER AFTER JUMPER AFTER JUMPER....CLEARLY WASNT PLAYIN THE SAME GAME WE SEE HIM PLAY IN THE REGULAR SEASON, WHICH RESULTED IN A LOSS.
Game 6: 32/10/11 3 steals, 1 block. The "Choke" game.*
THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME) AND THE SERIES IS OVER WITH LEBRON ONLY DOING GOOD IN 1 OUT OF 6 GAMES! WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE... AND HE DID THE MOST WITH IT. STILL, I'M NOT GUNNA SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE HE WASNT STRUGGLING MOST OF THE TIME PRIOR TO THE HEADBAND FALLING. THIN LINES DONT EXIST.
Game 7: 37/12/4 2 steals. No explanation needed.
GOOOD GAME, SALVAGED HIS ENTIRE REPUTATION WIT THIS 1.
This man was the all around leader in every game. Whether it was hitting the Boards. Willingly passing to a teammate. Defending (think about what Tony Parker did when LBJ was on him). It's not always about scoring
*This asterisk is to notate that while you call out LeBron for choking in Game 6, you give Kobe props for his Game 7.
ALREADY SAID LEBRON HAD A GOOD GAME 6...I COUNTED GAMES 1-3 AND GAME 5 AS HIS 4 BAD GAMES. BUT NICE TRY.
But a triple double, 32/10/11 on 11/26 beats 23/15/2 on 6/24 every day. LeBron had some turnovers but hit a 3 with 20 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, Kobe only hit 1 field goal the entire 4th quarter, but got to the line a lot. More proof that Kobe gets plenty of calls, especially when they count. So, again, why do you give Kobe a pass and not LeBron?
You do not really speak in Truth, more half-truth and opinion. All I can use are real numbers, my eyes and my brain, more than my heart. You speak of the good Kobe does and brush over the bad. You speak of the bad LeBron does and hardly even glimpse at the good.
AS IF UR NOT SITTING HERE DOIN THE EXACT OPPOSITE..LMAO! ALSO, IF UR GUNA COMPARE HOW LEBRON IS TREATED BY REFS TO HOW KOBE IS TREATED, THEN SPARE URSELF THE REPLY, BECAUSE U COMIN WIT SOME BOGUS SHIT MAYN. KOBE GETS CALLS SOMETIMES, NO DOUBT....BUT IN REALITY, IT'S ABOUT AT A 60% CLIP OF THE CALLS LEBRON GETS, AND THATS REAL SHIT.
These are not to say that LeBron is better than Kobe in the clutch, but that they're not far off. Final 5 minutes, +/-5 Points.
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Again, it's not all about scoring. LeBron is Rebounds better in the clutch last year. Assisted far better. Protected the ball better. His +/- and Defensive Rating were ridiculous in the clutch.
You have a lot of knowledge when it comes to Basketball, but you have too much emotion involved in discussing all things Kobe and all things LeBron.
I'M NOT A STAT NERD...I USE THE EYE TEST. STATS CAN BE MANIPULATED TO SHOW ANYTHING. I'VE PULLED UP STATS THAT SHOW KOBE WAS A MUCH GREATER PLAYER THAN JORDAN IN THE PAST...BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE EYE TEST SHOWED LEBRON TO BE EXTREMELY SHAKEY DURING A GOOD PORTION OF THE FINALS. NO STAT U PULL UP WILL DESCRIBE HIS NERVOUSNESS AND HESITANCY TO STEP IT UP AND CARRY HIS TEAM ON OFFENSE WHEN THEY NEEDED HIM MOST....BUT WATCHING THE GAMES, U WILL SEE IT URSELF. TO BE 100% HONEST, I REALLY DIDNT THINK ANY1 WOULD BE DENYIN HIS PASSIVENESS AND FEAR OF THE BIG MOMENTS AFTER DISPLAYING IT FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES.
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Inadequate response at every turn. You lost this one.
Whoisthis is the guru.
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I think NIK just deleted his account.
I officially deem "whoisthis" the basketball guru of the forum.
ARE U THE MOST OVERDRAMATIC POSTER IN DUBCC HISTORY OR JUST TRYIN UR HARDEST TO LIVE UP TO THE FORUM-HOMO TITLE UV BEEN GIVEN?
I CAN PICTURE U FAINTING AFTER U READ PRO-LEBRON RANTS LMAO
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Those stats posted in regards to % where LeBron/Kobe shoot from was to contradict you're notion that LeBron is only has a better shooting % because of what he does at the Rim. Those numbers prove otherwise. LeBron taking the wide open shot is the SMART play and it results in a higher percentage shot. It's not really a function of him being a Small Forward. T-Mac played a lot of Small Forward, check his Shooting %. Ron Artest. Paul Pierce. Carmelo Anthony. To name a few. All these guys have career shooting % averages AT or below where Kobe is. It's style of play, more than Position that figures into how one shoots. One thing Kobe fans always try to do is emphasize the tough defenses he faces. Now, granted, a team will not sag off Kobe and allow him to shoot. But, Kobe is not facing shut down Defenders every night either. When Kobe is double teamed or has a man draped on him, he could decide to pass. He chooses not to. His shooting percentages suffer because of that. You can only use the tough defenses as an excuse so long.
One minute you say LeBron is Pass-First. The next you say he's scared to shoot. LeBron tries to go for the smart play, not the hero play. He was facing tough defense in the Paint. Instead of forcing the issue in the paint, he passed. This is not scared. This is adjusting. 6-24 is obviously not scared, but it shows that there was absolutely no adjustment at all. Your eye test only includes scoring. Did he not Rebound like hell in game 1? Remember you just gave Kobe props for his rebounding in Game 7, why not LeBron? The Eye Test on shooting says LeBron had a tough night. The eye test on the GAME shows LeBron did a lot of other things needed. The team lost, these things happen. But that's why it's a 7 game series. Why is when the Lakers lose, like they did in Game 3 vs. Boston, you're not calling Kobe out? And again, Chalmers scored 1 point extra. You're calling someone else dramatic but what do you call gloating about someone having 1 extra point? Was Chalmers the leading scorer sure, but you're acting like he was 10+ points up on LeBron with your little "LOL" at the end. Yet, you leave out the fact that he led his team in Rebounds and Assists and that he had 2 steals.
Thus far you've generalized each loss and attributed it to LeBron's poor play. Yet, this is how you characterized Kobe's Game 2:
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
No mention that his 8/20 nor his 2/7 from 3 were well below his season averages. And also, never blamed Kobe for the loss. Why?
Why do you characterize Game 6 for LeBron as
WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE...
Yet you say this about Kobe's Game 7
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
Why aren't you mentioning how poorly he shot? Or that he was saved by a Ron Artest 3 and a Pau Gasol Rebound after Kobe missed a 3? Sound familiar? Just curious why you're not analyzing Kobe's games the same as LeBron, even though there are many similar situations and circumstances.
Also, not sure where you're getting your info, but if your eyes told you LeBron got most of his stats in Game 6 in Overtime here's his line in OT:
2/2/0 1/3 MAAAAN! He sure padded his stats there. What a disaster his game was during regulation! 30/8/10 10/23. What a bad game within regulation.
As far as how Kobe is treated and LeBron treated by the refs, mayn, the numbers, again, do not lie. Kobe got to the line 21 more times. 3 times extra per game. If Kobe would've had LeBron's free throw attempts those numbers he put up would've been far less. Specifically his "Masterful" game 7 where he got to the line 15 times. Sorry mayn. I'm just pointing out the opposite of what you are pointing out to put the whole story out there for both sides. Not just the good Kobe did and the bad LeBron did as you've tried to do so far.
Lastly, maybe you should utilize stats because your "eye test" has failed here. These stats are not manipulated. They are last 5 minutes, +/-5 Points. And the numbers are how these players performed last season. Much like the shooting stats, you attempt to discredit any stat that gives LeBron an edge. Sorry buddy.
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Kobe is done.
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Those stats posted in regards to % where LeBron/Kobe shoot from was to contradict you're notion that LeBron is only has a better shooting % because of what he does at the Rim. Those numbers prove otherwise. LeBron taking the wide open shot is the SMART play and it results in a higher percentage shot. It's not really a function of him being a Small Forward. T-Mac played a lot of Small Forward, check his Shooting %. Ron Artest. Paul Pierce. Carmelo Anthony. To name a few. All these guys have career shooting % averages AT or below where Kobe is. It's style of play, more than Position that figures into how one shoots. One thing Kobe fans always try to do is emphasize the tough defenses he faces. Now, granted, a team will not sag off Kobe and allow him to shoot. But, Kobe is not facing shut down Defenders every night either. When Kobe is double teamed or has a man draped on him, he could decide to pass. He chooses not to. His shooting percentages suffer because of that. You can only use the tough defenses as an excuse so long.
THERE IS NO WAY 2 DENY THAT LEBRON GETS EASIER LOOKS THAN KOBE, AND EVEN MELO OR DURANT, MAINLY BECAUSE HE IS PASS-FIRST, SHOOT SECOND. NOT AS FEARED AS A SHOOTER OR DOESNT BEAT U WITH THE HANDLES, CANT SPLIT DEFENDERS, NO FOOTWORK. HE IS GUARDED AS A PASSER, HE IS MOSTLY FEARED IN TRANSITION WHEN IT COMES TO SCORING....AND CONSIDERING HE PLAYS WITH KNOCK DOWN SHOOTERS, HIS PASSING IS WHAT HE'S GUARDED ON....MAGIC JOHNSON SHOT A BETTER FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, WOULD U REGARD HIM AS A BETTER SCORER? COME ON, NOW
One minute you say LeBron is Pass-First. The next you say he's scared to shoot. LeBron tries to go for the smart play, not the hero play. He was facing tough defense in the Paint. Instead of forcing the issue in the paint, he passed. This is not scared. This is adjusting. 6-24 is obviously not scared, but it shows that there was absolutely no adjustment at all. Your eye test only includes scoring. Did he not Rebound like hell in game 1? Remember you just gave Kobe props for his rebounding in Game 7, why not LeBron? The Eye Test on shooting says LeBron had a tough night. The eye test on the GAME shows LeBron did a lot of other things needed. The team lost, these things happen. But that's why it's a 7 game series. Why is when the Lakers lose, like they did in Game 3 vs. Boston, you're not calling Kobe out? And again, Chalmers scored 1 point extra. You're calling someone else dramatic but what do you call gloating about someone having 1 extra point? Was Chalmers the leading scorer sure, but you're acting like he was 10+ points up on LeBron with your little "LOL" at the end. Yet, you leave out the fact that he led his team in Rebounds and Assists and that he had 2 steals.
HE'S PASS FIRST + HESITANT TO SHOOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GAME GETS MORE INTENSE AND/OR MOMENTUM BELONGS TO THE OPPOSING TEAM..IT GOES HAND IN HAND, AND DONT ACT LIKE THIS IS SOME GROUNDBREAKING SHIT IM COMIN WITH. IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED AND A COMMON THEME IN LEBRON DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF HIS FLAWS. BUT LIKE I SAID, LEBRON IS A STAT PADDER...HE DIDNT GET REBOUNDS (IN THAT LOSS, LOL) BECAUSE HIS TEAM NEEDED IT. AS OPPOSED TO KOBE, WHO WENT INTO GAME 7 KNOWIN THAT REBOUNDING WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SERIES, WITH A MINDSET TO ATTACK THE BOARDS ABOVE ALL ELSE. WHEN THE LAKERS NEEDED REBOUNDING, KOBE REBOUNDED. THE HEAT NEEDED LEBRON TO SCORE FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE GAMES, AND HE PUTS UP UNDER 20 POINTS EVERY TIME- SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE PLANET..I DONT CARE HOW MANY REBOUNDS HE STEALS FROM HIS TEAMMATES IN GARBAGE TIME. HEAT LOST THE GAME CUZ LEBRON FAILED TO SCORE AT HIS NORMAL RATE. THATS WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO.
Thus far you've generalized each loss and attributed it to LeBron's poor play. Yet, this is how you characterized Kobe's Game 2:
GAME 2: 21 POINTS, 5 REBOUNDS, 6 ASSISTS- WAS IN FOUL TROUBLE THIS GAME, SAT A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES, MORE PROOF CALLS GO AGAINST KOBE
No mention that his 8/20 nor his 2/7 from 3 were well below his season averages. And also, never blamed Kobe for the loss. Why?
Why do you characterize Game 6 for LeBron as
WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE...
Yet you say this about Kobe's Game 7
GAME 7: 23 POINTS, 15 REBOUNDS, 2 ASSISTS- THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
Why aren't you mentioning how poorly he shot? Or that he was saved by a Ron Artest 3 and a Pau Gasol Rebound after Kobe missed a 3? Sound familiar? Just curious why you're not analyzing Kobe's games the same as LeBron, even though there are many similar situations and circumstances.
WHY? BECAUSE KOBE AND LEBRON ARE 2 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES, AND THATS THE SHIT THAT DONT SHOW UP ON STATS...LEBRON SCORES UNDER 20 POINTS IN THREE STRAIGHT GAMES BECAUSE OF ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY...HIS NERVES. HIS FEAR OF THE BIG STAGE. HIS TENDENCY TO FREEZE UP AND BECOME EXTREMELY PASSIVE. THATS WHAT IT IS. KOBE SHOOTS 6/24, IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE'S DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR LOSING HIS EDGE....IT'S BECAUSE HE HAD A BAD SHOOTING NIGHT. AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HE'S FACING ONE OF THE TOUGHEST DEFENSES EVER- IT PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE REASONING BEHIND WHY LEBRON CAN GO THREE STRAIGHT GAMES UNDER 20....STAT NERDS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT 2 TRY AND MANIPULATE WHATS REAL, BUT DEEP DOWN, U KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS.
Also, not sure where you're getting your info, but if your eyes told you LeBron got most of his stats in Game 6 in Overtime here's his line in OT:
2/2/0 1/3 MAAAAN! He sure padded his stats there. What a disaster his game was during regulation! 30/8/10 10/23. What a bad game within regulation.
OK, NOT IN OVERTIME, WHEN THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...BEFORE THAT HE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 3/14 ...BUT EITHER WAY, I CREDITED THIS AS ONE OF THE GOOD GAMES.
As far as how Kobe is treated and LeBron treated by the refs, mayn, the numbers, again, do not lie. Kobe got to the line 21 more times. 3 times extra per game. If Kobe would've had LeBron's free throw attempts those numbers he put up would've been far less. Specifically his "Masterful" game 7 where he got to the line 15 times. Sorry mayn. I'm just pointing out the opposite of what you are pointing out to put the whole story out there for both sides. Not just the good Kobe did and the bad LeBron did as you've tried to do so far.
Lastly, maybe you should utilize stats because your "eye test" has failed here. These stats are not manipulated. They are last 5 minutes, +/-5 Points. And the numbers are how these players performed last season. Much like the shooting stats, you attempt to discredit any stat that gives LeBron an edge. Sorry buddy.
AGAIN, KOBE WAS ATTACKING AGAINST TOUGH DEFENSE THAT WOULDNT LET HIM BREATHE, THAT BOSTON D WASNT GIVING HIM OPEN SHOTS, AND IF HE TOOK IT TO THE RIM, HE WAS GETTING HAMMERED....LEBRON WAS GIVEN 5 FOOT CUSHIONS, BEING BAITED INTO TAKIN JUMPSHOTS INSTEAD OF ATTACKIN....I POINTED THIS OUT, DUNO WHY U BROUGHT THIS UP AGAIN? IF LEBRON ATTACKED THE RIM FROM GAME 1, THEN WE WOULDNT EVEN BE HERE DISCUSSING HOW HE UNDERPERFORMED FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES. BUT THE FACT IS, HE WASN'T ATTACKING..INSTEAD, HE WAS SETTLING, AND IT WAS THE TALK OF THE SERIES LEADING INTO GAME 6. PEEPS WERE ASKIN WHEN LEBRON WOULD SHOW UP...WELL, THAT LEBRON DID SHOW UP. WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF AND THE STARS ALIGNED, HE WAS GIVEN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. HE TURNED IT UP A NOTCH AND WENT INTO REGULAR SEASON MODE...BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE WAS UNDERPERFORMING FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SERIES.
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That's it guys, Lebron never plays against a good defense. Close the thread.
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This, again, is where your argument loses it's luster. You initially say "It's because he's a Small Forward." I give you Small Forwards who shoot worse. You say well he's pass first, look a Magic vs. Michael. Magic put up about 1,000 3's in his career, he played inside mostly. Again, you are bringing up ridiculous comparisons when it comes to shooting percentages, mainly because you cannot stand the fact that LeBron had a better OVERALL shooting season than Kobe. Your notion that LeBron is defended as a passer first is not the whole truth. Some people do, namely bigger Forwards who aren't able to keep up if LeBron gets a step on them. So, the provide a cushion and defend for the pass. But that's not how Leonard defended him. That's not how Jimmy Butler defended him. Paul George. etc. It's hard to have this conversation when you're really basing everything off of a feeling. LeBron is on pace to be the leading scorer of all time. You mean to tell me that he's had THAT many open/easy looks? Be real buddy.
Again, your argument loses it's luster. You have a double standard. Kobe REBOUNDS. LeBron pads his stats. LeBron is going to finish close to, if not in, the Top 50 of All-Time rebounding by the end of his career, are all those Rebounds padded stats? And yet, you sit here and paint yourself as objective?
Yet again, you are using double standards. So LeBron shoots poorly because of his nerves? Kobe just had a bad night... Ok. Kobe faced a tough D, what did LeBron face? A JV team? He faced Leonard, Green and even Duncan in the post. Keep in mind, that LeBron did not get to line like Kobe did in his bad games. So, his numbers aren't "padded" like a certain someone . who got the calls when it counted.
Your eye test failed you. And whether it was when the Headband came off or not, it was within the Game. A Game is not bad until the buzzer sounds.
You're pointing out the good for Kobe and bad for LeBron. Why aren't you mentioning that he faced Leonard who bodied him up a lot. Or when he'd face Duncan in the post. Or how about when he would drive to the rim and get hammered himself, yet not get the call like Kobe. I'm unsure what you watched. LeBron would drive, the Spurs had the paint packed and they made sure they made contact. LeBron changed his game. Yet, again, you give Kobe credit for "doing something different" but crush LeBron for it.
Too many double standards. Too many "facts" based on opinion.
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TKO
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This, again, is where your argument loses it's luster. You initially say "It's because he's a Small Forward." I give you Small Forwards who shoot worse. You say well he's pass first, look a Magic vs. Michael. Magic put up about 1,000 3's in his career, he played inside mostly. Again, you are bringing up ridiculous comparisons when it comes to shooting percentages, mainly because you cannot stand the fact that LeBron had a better OVERALL shooting season than Kobe. Your notion that LeBron is defended as a passer first is not the whole truth. Some people do, namely bigger Forwards who aren't able to keep up if LeBron gets a step on them. So, the provide a cushion and defend for the pass. But that's not how Leonard defended him. That's not how Jimmy Butler defended him. Paul George. etc. It's hard to have this conversation when you're really basing everything off of a feeling. LeBron is on pace to be the leading scorer of all time. You mean to tell me that he's had THAT many open/easy looks? Be real buddy.
YOU'RE FIGHTING A BATTLE U CANT WIN.....ALL MY ARGUMENTS STAND, NO MATTER HOW U TRY TO SPIN SHIT IN UR FAVOR. FACT REMAINS, SMALL FORWARDS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SHOOTING GUARDS, JUST LIKE CENTERS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SMALL FORWARDS...SURE, U CAN PULL UP ROY HIBBERT'S STATS AND SAY "WELL, LOOK, SOME CENTERS SHOOT LOW PERCENTAGES 2", BUT FACT REMAINS, ON AVERAGE, SMALL FORWARDS NATURALLY SHOOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN SHOOTING GUARDS....AND THERE U GO AGAIN, PROVING MY POINT. MAGIC JOHNSON SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, THATS WHY HIS PERCENTAGES WERE BETTER, NOT BECAUSE HE'S "A BETTER SCORER"....HAS LEBRON NOT SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN KOBE THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER? SERIOUSLY, MY DUDE, UR STARTIN 2 ANNOY ME WITH THESE WEAK ASS ARGUMENTS. UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVING MY POINT AT EVERY TURN, WHILE DOING EXACTLY WHAT UR CLAIMIN I DO...TWISTING ARGUMENTS TO FAVOR UR SIDE. I SEE U, BUDDY. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT MAKING CLAIMS SOLEY BASED ON FEELING, IT'S CALLED THE EYE-TEST FOR A REASON. EYES DONT LIE....U KNOW, FOR A FACT, THAT KOBE IS DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED WAY HARDER AND MORE OFTEN THAN LEBRON,...WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE LEBRON HAS LESS IN HIS OFFENSIVE ARSENAL OR BECAUSE HE HAS MORE CAPABLE TEAMMATES IS UP FOR DEBATE. PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
Again, your argument loses it's luster. You have a double standard. Kobe REBOUNDS. LeBron pads his stats. LeBron is going to finish close to, if not in, the Top 50 of All-Time rebounding by the end of his career, are all those Rebounds padded stats? And yet, you sit here and paint yourself as objective?
Yet again, you are using double standards. So LeBron shoots poorly because of his nerves? Kobe just had a bad night... Ok. Kobe faced a tough D, what did LeBron face? A JV team? He faced Leonard, Green and even Duncan in the post. Keep in mind, that LeBron did not get to line like Kobe did in his bad games. So, his numbers aren't "padded" like a certain someone . who got the calls when it counted.
WHY ARE U FAILING TO ADDRESS MY GREATEST POINTS? WHAT KOBE DID WAS IN A WIN...WHAT LEBRON DID WAS IN A LOSS. AND YEA, LEBRON IS KNOWN AS A STAT-PADDER. HE'S ALSO A BIGGER, STRONGER PLAYER, WHO PLAYS A POSITION THAT, AGAIN, ON AVERAGE, COLLECTS MORE REBOUNDS THAN KOBE'S POSITION. SO KOBE GOIN ALL OUT AND COLLECTING 15 REBOUNDS IS A LITTLE MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN LEBRON GRABBIN A BUNCHA MEANINGLESS BOARDS IN A LOSS, NO MATTER HOW U TRY SLICIN IT. AND AGAIN, LEBRON FREEZES IN BIG MOMENTS...ANSWER HONESTLY, DO U NOT SEE IT? THAT IS WHY HE SHOOTS UNDER 20 FOR THREE STRAIGHT FINAL GAMES, NO OTHER REASON...CAN U BE REAL AND ADMIT THIS?
Your eye test failed you. And whether it was when the Headband came off or not, it was within the Game. A Game is not bad until the buzzer sounds.
LMAO..THIS AGAIN? I ALREADY CREDITED THIS AS A GOOD GAME
SMFH
You're pointing out the good for Kobe and bad for LeBron. Why aren't you mentioning that he faced Leonard who bodied him up a lot. Or when he'd face Duncan in the post. Or how about when he would drive to the rim and get hammered himself, yet not get the call like Kobe. I'm unsure what you watched. LeBron would drive, the Spurs had the paint packed and they made sure they made contact. LeBron changed his game. Yet, again, you give Kobe credit for "doing something different" but crush LeBron for it.
Too many double standards. Too many "facts" based on opinion.
WHY ARE U FORGETTING THAT BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM WITH SINGLE COVERAGE FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE SERIES?....LOL. HOW MANY POINTS WOULD KOBE SCORE WITH SINGLE COVERAGE BY BORIS DIAW? SERIOUSLY?? AT LEAST 50, AND U KNOW IT. POINT IS, LEBRON WAS UNDERPERFORMING TO THE POINT THAT THE DEFENSE ON HIM BECAME LAX, AND THERES REALLY NO DENYIN IT, BECAUSE THE PROOF IS IN THE GAME-FILM. DONT BELIEVE ME? WATCH IT AGAIN, MAYN.
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The all caps just kills anything you may think you have going for you.
But keep swinging man, don't give up the fight.
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The all caps just kills anything you may think you have going for you.
But keep swinging man, don't give up the fight.
It's like the first Rocky movie. Son knows he's losing. Nigga is taking a brutal ass whoopin', can barely see through that right eye. But he just wants to go the full 15 so at least he can say he lasted for his boy Kobe.
But it's a little more severe than Rocky. Like if I was the ref, I woulda called this already or his trainer woulda beeeeeen through in that towel.
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LMAO FIGURES THE 2 LAKER COCKLICKERS WOULD GET A HARD-ON FROM SOME1 HALFWAY DECENT FINALLY MAKING AN ARGUMENT FOR LEBRON, CUZ WE ALL KNOW NONE OF YALL SIMPLE MUFUCKAZ HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH ME :-*
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What's to go toe to toe about? Everything is for Lebron, everything is against Kobe in your mind. It's easier to read your posts when it doesn't revolve around Kobe or the Lakers.
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What's to go toe to toe about? Everything is for Lebron, everything is against Kobe in your mind. It's easier to read your posts when it doesn't revolve around Kobe or the Lakers.
WHICH IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT U DO- EVERYTHING ANTI-KOBE....ONLY KOBE IS ONE OF THE GOATS, SO UR IN THE WRONG, WHILE I SIMPLY KNOW TO APPRECIATE GREATNESS
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LMAO FIGURES THE 2 LAKER COCKLICKERS WOULD GET A HARD-ON FROM SOME1 HALFWAY DECENT FINALLY MAKING AN ARGUMENT FOR LEBRON, CUZ WE ALL KNOW NONE OF YALL SIMPLE MUFUCKAZ HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH ME :-*
Since you mod this section, it's actually funny you bring that up. I can't speak for Citizen, but I know I wouldn't put in that much of an effort to debate anything Laker/Kobe related because you're too much of a child to waste that kind of time on.
Like look at it, Whoisthis is shitting on your life and you're still twisting words and arguments to somehow fight for your man crush. Son hit you at every turn and you're still up there, blindly swinging your arms still. It's childish.
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What's to go toe to toe about? Everything is for Lebron, everything is against Kobe in your mind. It's easier to read your posts when it doesn't revolve around Kobe or the Lakers.
WHICH IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT U DO- EVERYTHING ANTI-KOBE....ONLY KOBE IS ONE OF THE GOATS, SO UR IN THE WRONG, WHILE I SIMPLY KNOW TO APPRECIATE GREATNESS
Kobe's cool
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LMAO FIGURES THE 2 LAKER COCKLICKERS WOULD GET A HARD-ON FROM SOME1 HALFWAY DECENT FINALLY MAKING AN ARGUMENT FOR LEBRON, CUZ WE ALL KNOW NONE OF YALL SIMPLE MUFUCKAZ HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH ME :-*
Since you mod this section, it's actually funny you bring that up. I can't speak for Citizen, but I know I wouldn't put in that much of an effort to debate anything Laker/Kobe related because you're too much of a child to waste that kind of time on.
Like look at it, Whoisthis is shitting on your life and you're still twisting words and arguments to somehow fight for your man crush. Son hit you at every turn and you're still up there, blindly swinging your arms still. It's childish.
RIGHT..CUZ WE ALL KNO HOW OBJECTIVE U ARE WHEN IT COMES TO LEBRON. PRETTY SURE U'D NOT ONLY SUCK OFF LEBRON, BUT ANYONE WHO WOULD ARGUE FOR HIM AS WELL, AS EVIDENT IN THIS VERY THREAD BY YOUR ERECTION FOR DUDE PUTTIN UP A FIGHT FOR HIM.
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More so over seeing you get red through the computer screen out of the embarrassment of getting your ass handed to you.
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YEA AND IM PRETTY SURE THE FACT THAT HIM ARGUIN FOR LEBRON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH UR DICKRIDING.. UR SO GAY FOR LEBRON THAT U DICKRIDE HIS DICKRIDERS.. SOME NEXT LEVEL SHIT.LMAO
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More so over seeing you get red through the computer screen out of the embarrassment of getting your ass handed to you.
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YOU'RE FIGHTING A BATTLE U CANT WIN.....ALL MY ARGUMENTS STAND, NO MATTER HOW U TRY TO SPIN SHIT IN UR FAVOR. FACT REMAINS, SMALL FORWARDS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SHOOTING GUARDS, JUST LIKE CENTERS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SMALL FORWARDS...SURE, U CAN PULL UP ROY HIBBERT'S STATS AND SAY "WELL, LOOK, SOME CENTERS SHOOT LOW PERCENTAGES 2", BUT FACT REMAINS, ON AVERAGE, SMALL FORWARDS NATURALLY SHOOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN SHOOTING GUARDS....AND THERE U GO AGAIN, PROVING MY POINT. MAGIC JOHNSON SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, THATS WHY HIS PERCENTAGES WERE BETTER, NOT BECAUSE HE'S "A BETTER SCORER"....HAS LEBRON NOT SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN KOBE THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER? SERIOUSLY, MY DUDE, UR STARTIN 2 ANNOY ME WITH THESE WEAK ASS ARGUMENTS. UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVING MY POINT AT EVERY TURN, WHILE DOING EXACTLY WHAT UR CLAIMIN I DO...TWISTING ARGUMENTS TO FAVOR UR SIDE. I SEE U, BUDDY. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT MAKING CLAIMS SOLEY BASED ON FEELING, IT'S CALLED THE EYE-TEST FOR A REASON. EYES DONT LIE....U KNOW, FOR A FACT, THAT KOBE IS DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED WAY HARDER AND MORE OFTEN THAN LEBRON,...WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE LEBRON HAS LESS IN HIS OFFENSIVE ARSENAL OR BECAUSE HE HAS MORE CAPABLE TEAMMATES IS UP FOR DEBATE. PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
It's not a matter of win/lose. Maybe for you... I guess that's important in your life. All I'm doing I making it known that you have flawed views when it comes to the LeBron/Kobe discussion. You keep generalizing that SF's shoot higher percentages than SG's and use Center's as reasoning. Both the SF and SG position today are much more similar than ever before. George, Korver, Melo, Danny Green, Artest & Carter: All in the top 20 of 3PA last season. When you consider that 7 SG's are on that list, you can see how even similar the positions are. 6 Small Forwards (Ryan Anderson is really a Small Forward, too, but for this conversation he'll stay a Power Forward) and 7 Shooting Guards in the top 20. As for the Magic/Michael conversation. Bro, Magic put up around 1,000 and Michael put up 1,700. We're not talking a huge difference over the course of a career. That's not why Magic shot better. Magic played INSIDE a lot. He was in and around the paint OFTEN. Michael played a lot of Mid-Range. I mean, really, does that really play into your argument, or against? LeBron has put up 3,000 and Kobe 4,800. Keep in mind, Kobe has 7 years on LeBron. Break those down into Per Game basis and LeBron actually averages more but 1 tenth of a percentage. Meaning, LeBron is putting up 3's at the same clip as Kobe, he just hasn't been in the league long enough. Yet again, your point is proven as feeling and not fact. Fact's do not lie. Your eyes do.
WHY ARE U FAILING TO ADDRESS MY GREATEST POINTS? WHAT KOBE DID WAS IN A WIN...WHAT LEBRON DID WAS IN A LOSS. AND YEA, LEBRON IS KNOWN AS A STAT-PADDER. HE'S ALSO A BIGGER, STRONGER PLAYER, WHO PLAYS A POSITION THAT, AGAIN, ON AVERAGE, COLLECTS MORE REBOUNDS THAN KOBE'S POSITION. SO KOBE GOIN ALL OUT AND COLLECTING 15 REBOUNDS IS A LITTLE MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN LEBRON GRABBIN A BUNCHA MEANINGLESS BOARDS IN A LOSS, NO MATTER HOW U TRY SLICIN IT. AND AGAIN, LEBRON FREEZES IN BIG MOMENTS...ANSWER HONESTLY, DO U NOT SEE IT? THAT IS WHY HE SHOOTS UNDER 20 FOR THREE STRAIGHT FINAL GAMES, NO OTHER REASON...CAN U BE REAL AND ADMIT THIS?
I've not seen that point. Merely just you avoiding or making excuses for Kobe's bad games and crushing LeBron for his. Did you watch Game 1 when he grabbed 18 boards? That game was close, not a blow out. It came down to a circus shot by Tony Parker. In a game like that, 18 boards is meaningless? Wow. And yet again, you are generalizing positions as if that means something. Jason Kidd has 2,000 more rebounds than Kobe. It would take Kobe another 5 or so seasons to catch Jason Kidd. Kobe is bigger. Stronger. Plays a position where he should grab more rebounds... yet he didn't. Position is just a just a label today, unless you're a big man who cannot stretch the floor. Point Guards play the 2, 2's play the 1 and 3 and 3's play the 2 and 1... LeBron has had bad games, sure. No one is hiding that. But, those are just bad games offensively. He does other things to make up for them like Defending the best player on the team, Rebounding, finding the open teammates etc. He shot under 20 for 3 straight games, so what. He didn't make his shots, but he also didn't get to the line to compensate. I call your attention to Kobe's 6/24 performance. He got to the line 15 times, made 11. Scored 23. LeBron never put up more than 4 Free-Throws in his bad games. All things even: Kobe only scores 15 in Game 7. But, and this was the whole reason for the topic in the first place, Kobe GOT THE CALLS and went on to score over 20.
LMAO..THIS AGAIN? I ALREADY CREDITED THIS AS A GOOD GAME
SMFH
Yes. Because you don't just say "Good game." You always say "Good game after..." or "Good game... but he got most of his stats in OT." And then attribute that to your eye-test. Well, it's obvious your eye-test has failed. SMFH
WHY ARE U FORGETTING THAT BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM WITH SINGLE COVERAGE FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE SERIES?....LOL. HOW MANY POINTS WOULD KOBE SCORE WITH SINGLE COVERAGE BY BORIS DIAW? SERIOUSLY?? AT LEAST 50, AND U KNOW IT. POINT IS, LEBRON WAS UNDERPERFORMING TO THE POINT THAT THE DEFENSE ON HIM BECAME LAX, AND THERES REALLY NO DENYIN IT, BECAUSE THE PROOF IS IN THE GAME-FILM. DONT BELIEVE ME? WATCH IT AGAIN, MAYN.
Yes, Diaw guarded him with space because he did not want LeBron to get that first step. He also used his body and played LeBron physical. LeBron did not get many calls against Diaw even though there was contact. Diaw played less than 20 minutes of the first 3 games. 144 total minutes possible, only 20 played. So, sure, you can credit Diaw for those first 3 games, if that's what your eye-tests tell you. When he played LeBron mostly was games 4-7 when LeBron averaged 31 a game. No need to watch game film, mayn. Did LeBron have a tough time against Diaw? Sure. But, he still ended up having some great games.
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LMAO.
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YOU'RE FIGHTING A BATTLE U CANT WIN.....ALL MY ARGUMENTS STAND, NO MATTER HOW U TRY TO SPIN SHIT IN UR FAVOR. FACT REMAINS, SMALL FORWARDS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SHOOTING GUARDS, JUST LIKE CENTERS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SMALL FORWARDS...SURE, U CAN PULL UP ROY HIBBERT'S STATS AND SAY "WELL, LOOK, SOME CENTERS SHOOT LOW PERCENTAGES 2", BUT FACT REMAINS, ON AVERAGE, SMALL FORWARDS NATURALLY SHOOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN SHOOTING GUARDS....AND THERE U GO AGAIN, PROVING MY POINT. MAGIC JOHNSON SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, THATS WHY HIS PERCENTAGES WERE BETTER, NOT BECAUSE HE'S "A BETTER SCORER"....HAS LEBRON NOT SHOT WAY LESS THREES THAN KOBE THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER? SERIOUSLY, MY DUDE, UR STARTIN 2 ANNOY ME WITH THESE WEAK ASS ARGUMENTS. UR UNINTENTIONALLY PROVING MY POINT AT EVERY TURN, WHILE DOING EXACTLY WHAT UR CLAIMIN I DO...TWISTING ARGUMENTS TO FAVOR UR SIDE. I SEE U, BUDDY. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT MAKING CLAIMS SOLEY BASED ON FEELING, IT'S CALLED THE EYE-TEST FOR A REASON. EYES DONT LIE....U KNOW, FOR A FACT, THAT KOBE IS DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED WAY HARDER AND MORE OFTEN THAN LEBRON,...WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE LEBRON HAS LESS IN HIS OFFENSIVE ARSENAL OR BECAUSE HE HAS MORE CAPABLE TEAMMATES IS UP FOR DEBATE. PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
It's not a matter of win/lose. Maybe for you... I guess that's important in your life. All I'm doing I making it known that you have flawed views when it comes to the LeBron/Kobe discussion. You keep generalizing that SF's shoot higher percentages than SG's and use Center's as reasoning. Both the SF and SG position today are much more similar than ever before. George, Korver, Melo, Danny Green, Artest & Carter: All in the top 20 of 3PA last season. When you consider that 7 SG's are on that list, you can see how even similar the positions are. 6 Small Forwards (Ryan Anderson is really a Small Forward, too, but for this conversation he'll stay a Power Forward) and 7 Shooting Guards in the top 20. As for the Magic/Michael conversation. Bro, Magic put up around 1,000 and Michael put up 1,700. We're not talking a huge difference over the course of a career. That's not why Magic shot better. Magic played INSIDE a lot. He was in and around the paint OFTEN. Michael played a lot of Mid-Range. I mean, really, does that really play into your argument, or against? LeBron has put up 3,000 and Kobe 4,800. Keep in mind, Kobe has 7 years on LeBron. Break those down into Per Game basis and LeBron actually averages more but 1 tenth of a percentage. Meaning, LeBron is putting up 3's at the same clip as Kobe, he just hasn't been in the league long enough. Yet again, your point is proven as feeling and not fact. Fact's do not lie. Your eyes do.
YOU'RE TRYIN TOO HARD....AT LEAST UR HELPIN CHAM JERK IT, THO.
TOP 10 SMALL FORWARD FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/small-forwards
5 PLAYERS WITH 50%+ FG PERCENTAGE
TOP 10 SHOOTING GUARDS FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/shooting-guards
IN COMPARISON, ONLY 1 SHOOTING GUARD SHOT 50%+ LAST SEASON (AND TO NO ONES SURPRISE, HE TAKES VERY LITTLE THREES LOL)
NOW, U KEEP TRYNA TWIST THIS INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT...BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. U TAKE ERSAN ILYASOVA, WHO CAME 9TH IN FG% FOR SMALL FORWARDS AND PUT HIM IN THE SHOOTING GUARD SLOT AND HE WOULDA BEEN 3RD. WHY ARE U TRYNA PROVE THIS WRONG WHEN IT'S RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WEAKENS UR ARGUMENT, WHERE U TAKE SOMETHING LEGIT THAT I SAID AND TRY TURNIN IT INTO SOMETHIN ELSE.....AND NO, LEBRON IS NOT SHOOTING THREES AT THE SAME CLIP AS KOBE, MY DUDE. JUST LOOK AT THE SEASON BY SEASON STATS. IF U TAKE OUT KOBE'S BENCH YEARS, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE, REALLY. BUT THE POINT WITH MAGIC IS THAT HE HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HE WOULD ONLY TAKE SHOTS THAT HE FELT HE COULD MAKE FOR SURE, BEIN THAT HE'S A PASS-FIRST PLAYER ALA LEBRON...I KNOW U GET WHAT IM SAYIN, SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT.
WHY ARE U FAILING TO ADDRESS MY GREATEST POINTS? WHAT KOBE DID WAS IN A WIN...WHAT LEBRON DID WAS IN A LOSS. AND YEA, LEBRON IS KNOWN AS A STAT-PADDER. HE'S ALSO A BIGGER, STRONGER PLAYER, WHO PLAYS A POSITION THAT, AGAIN, ON AVERAGE, COLLECTS MORE REBOUNDS THAN KOBE'S POSITION. SO KOBE GOIN ALL OUT AND COLLECTING 15 REBOUNDS IS A LITTLE MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN LEBRON GRABBIN A BUNCHA MEANINGLESS BOARDS IN A LOSS, NO MATTER HOW U TRY SLICIN IT. AND AGAIN, LEBRON FREEZES IN BIG MOMENTS...ANSWER HONESTLY, DO U NOT SEE IT? THAT IS WHY HE SHOOTS UNDER 20 FOR THREE STRAIGHT FINAL GAMES, NO OTHER REASON...CAN U BE REAL AND ADMIT THIS?
I've not seen that point. Merely just you avoiding or making excuses for Kobe's bad games and crushing LeBron for his. Did you watch Game 1 when he grabbed 18 boards? That game was close, not a blow out. It came down to a circus shot by Tony Parker. In a game like that, 18 boards is meaningless? Wow. And yet again, you are generalizing positions as if that means something. Jason Kidd has 2,000 more rebounds than Kobe. It would take Kobe another 5 or so seasons to catch Jason Kidd. Kobe is bigger. Stronger. Plays a position where he should grab more rebounds... yet he didn't. Position is just a just a label today, unless you're a big man who cannot stretch the floor. Point Guards play the 2, 2's play the 1 and 3 and 3's play the 2 and 1... LeBron has had bad games, sure. No one is hiding that. But, those are just bad games offensively. He does other things to make up for them like Defending the best player on the team, Rebounding, finding the open teammates etc. He shot under 20 for 3 straight games, so what. He didn't make his shots, but he also didn't get to the line to compensate. I call your attention to Kobe's 6/24 performance. He got to the line 15 times, made 11. Scored 23. LeBron never put up more than 4 Free-Throws in his bad games. All things even: Kobe only scores 15 in Game 7. But, and this was the whole reason for the topic in the first place, Kobe GOT THE CALLS and went on to score over 20.
JASON KIDD IS NOT UR AVERAGE GUARD, DUDE HAD YEARS WHERE HE REBOUNDED LIKE A BIG MAN....BAD EXAMPLE. AGAIN, FACT REMAINS, LEBRON SHOULD BE GRABBIN WAY MORE BOARDS THAN KOBE. HE HAS THE BODY OF A POWER FORWARD, BUT EVEN STRONGER. AND AGAIN, THE REASON HE DIDNT GET TO THE LINE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A SHOOK AND AVOIDING CONTACT......THATS MY KNOCK ON HIM, HIS CHANGE OF STYLE WHEN THE MOMENTS INTENSIFY. THIS IS WHY HE AVERAGED 16 POINTS IN THE FIRST 3 GAMES.....BECAUSE HIS STYLE BECAME EVEN MORE PASSIVE DUE TO THE PRESSURE. KOBE GOT THE CALLS CUZ HE FORCED THE ISSUE, SOMETHING LEBRON DIDNT DO TILL GAME 6, WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
LMAO..THIS AGAIN? I ALREADY CREDITED THIS AS A GOOD GAME
SMFH
Yes. Because you don't just say "Good game." You always say "Good game after..." or "Good game... but he got most of his stats in OT." And then attribute that to your eye-test. Well, it's obvious your eye-test has failed. SMFH
NO, MY EYE TEST DIDNT FAIL...ALL I SAID WAS THAT LEBRON WAS ABLE TO SALVAGE A GAME WHERE HE PLAYED TERRIBLY AND EXTREMELY PASSIVE THROUGH 3 QUARTERS. HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT A GOOD GAME, SO HE GETS CREDIT THERE. BUT MY POINT WAS THAT THERE WERE STILL MORE MOMENTS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES WHERE HE PLAYED LIKE A MIHA AND A COMPLETELY SUBMISSIVE PUSSY AS OPPOSED TO AN ALPHA MALE WHO TAKES OVER (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
WHY ARE U FORGETTING THAT BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM WITH SINGLE COVERAGE FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE SERIES?....LOL. HOW MANY POINTS WOULD KOBE SCORE WITH SINGLE COVERAGE BY BORIS DIAW? SERIOUSLY?? AT LEAST 50, AND U KNOW IT. POINT IS, LEBRON WAS UNDERPERFORMING TO THE POINT THAT THE DEFENSE ON HIM BECAME LAX, AND THERES REALLY NO DENYIN IT, BECAUSE THE PROOF IS IN THE GAME-FILM. DONT BELIEVE ME? WATCH IT AGAIN, MAYN.
Yes, Diaw guarded him with space because he did not want LeBron to get that first step. He also used his body and played LeBron physical. LeBron did not get many calls against Diaw even though there was contact. Diaw played less than 20 minutes of the first 3 games. 144 total minutes possible, only 20 played. So, sure, you can credit Diaw for those first 3 games, if that's what your eye-tests tell you. When he played LeBron mostly was games 4-7 when LeBron averaged 31 a game. No need to watch game film, mayn. Did LeBron have a tough time against Diaw? Sure. But, he still ended up having some great games.
U JUST PROVED MY POINT...THERES NO WAY IN HELL BORIS DIAW SHOULD BE GUARDING LEBRON JAMES LMAO 1-ON-1 IN THE FINALS. AND U SAID THAT LEBRON STARTED GOIN OFF THE MORE DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM? UR REALLY ARGUING AGAINST URSELF HERE...MY POINT WASNT THAT LEBRON HAD A TOUGH TIME AGAINST DIAW (EVEN THOUGH HE DID, AT TIMES)...MY POINT WAS THAT DIAW IS A TERRIBLE DEFENDER, SLOW, NO LATERAL MOVEMENT, NO ATHLETICISM, ETC.....YET HE WAS USED TO PLAY LEBRON WITH SINGLE COVERAGE DUE TO HOW BAD LEBRON WAS PERFORMING. IF KOBE GETS SINGLE COVERAGE BY DIAW, IT'S 50 POINTS EVERY TIME.
LMAO.
LOL UR SO GAY
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YOU'RE TRYIN TOO HARD....AT LEAST UR HELPIN CHAM JERK IT, THO.
TOP 10 SMALL FORWARD FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/small-forwards
5 PLAYERS WITH 50%+ FG PERCENTAGE
TOP 10 SHOOTING GUARDS FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/shooting-guards
IN COMPARISON, ONLY 1 SHOOTING GUARD SHOT 50%+ LAST SEASON (AND TO NO ONES SURPRISE, HE TAKES VERY LITTLE THREES LOL)
NOW, U KEEP TRYNA TWIST THIS INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT...BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. U TAKE ERSAN ILYASOVA, WHO CAME 9TH IN FG% FOR SMALL FORWARDS AND PUT HIM IN THE SHOOTING GUARD SLOT AND HE WOULDA BEEN 3RD. WHY ARE U TRYNA PROVE THIS WRONG WHEN IT'S RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WEAKENS UR ARGUMENT, WHERE U TAKE SOMETHING LEGIT THAT I SAID AND TRY TURNIN IT INTO SOMETHIN ELSE.....AND NO, LEBRON IS NOT SHOOTING THREES AT THE SAME CLIP AS KOBE, MY DUDE. JUST LOOK AT THE SEASON BY SEASON STATS. IF U TAKE OUT KOBE'S BENCH YEARS, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE, REALLY. BUT THE POINT WITH MAGIC IS THAT HE HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HE WOULD ONLY TAKE SHOTS THAT HE FELT HE COULD MAKE FOR SURE, BEIN THAT HE'S A PASS-FIRST PLAYER ALA LEBRON...I KNOW U GET WHAT IM SAYIN, SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT.
Trying too hard? Is that what your eye test tells you? Anyway, thanks for posting that link. It proves my point about you generalizing a position. LeBron is number 1 on the list and put 250+ 3's last season. The next 3 on that list put up 81 3's last season... Combined. Kevin Durant is next with over 300 (50/40/90 by the way). Chandler Parsons with just under 400 3's. Josh Smith put up over 200 ill advised 3's. Matt Barnes, over 300. Ersan put up over 200 and lastly Melo over 400 3's.
Here at the SG's: Wade, 66. Dudley, 270. Kobe, over 400. Iggy, close to 300. Martin, 370+. Mayo, 350. Henderson, 100. Derozan, 120. Afflalo, 240. Crawford just under 400.
The games are not very different outside of Faried, Marion & Young. But, those 3 are why you cannot just generalize positions. LeBron and KD put up over 250 & 300, respectively, 3's and shot over 50%. It's not because of their position because they're putting up plenty of outside shots. Magic played in the Paint or as close to it as possible because that was his game. He did not have much range. As a Laker fan you should know that. Magic never put up more than 56 3's in a season until 88-89, he entered the league in 79-80.
Now remember, you've gone through all of this, just to prove that Kobe's terrible shooting games meant less than LeBron's terrible shooting games. And I'm the one trying too hard?
Just to refresh your memory:
BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...
Yeah... about that whole trying too hard thing...
JASON KIDD IS NOT UR AVERAGE GUARD, DUDE HAD YEARS WHERE HE REBOUNDED LIKE A BIG MAN....BAD EXAMPLE. AGAIN, FACT REMAINS, LEBRON SHOULD BE GRABBIN WAY MORE BOARDS THAN KOBE. HE HAS THE BODY OF A POWER FORWARD, BUT EVEN STRONGER. AND AGAIN, THE REASON HE DIDNT GET TO THE LINE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A SHOOK AND AVOIDING CONTACT......THATS MY KNOCK ON HIM, HIS CHANGE OF STYLE WHEN THE MOMENTS INTENSIFY. THIS IS WHY HE AVERAGED 16 POINTS IN THE FIRST 3 GAMES.....BECAUSE HIS STYLE BECAME EVEN MORE PASSIVE DUE TO THE PRESSURE. KOBE GOT THE CALLS CUZ HE FORCED THE ISSUE, SOMETHING LEBRON DIDNT DO TILL GAME 6, WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
And LeBron is not your average Small Forward. When a point is made, you always try to spin it. Fact remains that you attribute LeBron's rebounding ability to his "size and strength," but do not hold Kobe to that same standard when I compare a 6'3" (6'4" on a great day) Point Guard who "rebounded like a big man." What about Rondo & Westbrook? 1 is about 6' and the other is about 6'2", 6'3". Both are within 1 rebound per game over their career with Kobe. You want to know what a bad example is? When you're discussing 2 wing players and you bring up a 7'1" 300+ Center and compare him to a Guard who played Mid-Range, when talking about Field Goal Percentage? Or a 6'9" Guard who played Free Throw and in, to the same Guard who played mostly Mid-Range? Not even close.
The Jason Kidd comparison plays into your idea of "size and strength" because he's much smaller than Kobe, but rebounded much better. Furthermore, Kevin Love by all accounts is probably no more than 6'7". Rodman was more 6'6". Both of these guys are not the biggest or strongest and have led the NBA in rebounds. Rebound is about positioning, will and heart. DeAndre Jordan is an athletic 7 footer, still a poor rebounder. Reggie Evans is much smaller and was the teams best rebounder when he was on the Clippers, not the bigger and strong DeAndre Jordan. You generalize far too much.
Lastly, you must've never watched the Finals because LeBron did drive and he got a lot of contact and very few calls, as evident in the fact that he hardly got to the line. He had to settle for Jumpers because he was not getting to the basket easily.
NO, MY EYE TEST DIDNT FAIL...ALL I SAID WAS THAT LEBRON WAS ABLE TO SALVAGE A GAME WHERE HE PLAYED TERRIBLY AND EXTREMELY PASSIVE THROUGH 3 QUARTERS. HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT A GOOD GAME, SO HE GETS CREDIT THERE. BUT MY POINT WAS THAT THERE WERE STILL MORE MOMENTS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES WHERE HE PLAYED LIKE A MIHA AND A COMPLETELY SUBMISSIVE PUSSY AS OPPOSED TO AN ALPHA MALE WHO TAKES OVER (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
Oh really? That's all you said?
THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME)
So, yes, your eye test did fail you. Or you just didn't watch the game. Which is it? Because you attributed LeBron's stats to OT, but I already showed you otherwise. And by the way, you see how you just can't say he had a good game 6? It's programmed in your brain to say "until" because you just can't give LeBron credit.
U JUST PROVED MY POINT...THERES NO WAY IN HELL BORIS DIAW SHOULD BE GUARDING LEBRON JAMES LMAO 1-ON-1 IN THE FINALS. AND U SAID THAT LEBRON STARTED GOIN OFF THE MORE DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM? UR REALLY ARGUING AGAINST URSELF HERE...MY POINT WASNT THAT LEBRON HAD A TOUGH TIME AGAINST DIAW (EVEN THOUGH HE DID, AT TIMES)...MY POINT WAS THAT DIAW IS A TERRIBLE DEFENDER, SLOW, NO LATERAL MOVEMENT, NO ATHLETICISM, ETC.....YET HE WAS USED TO PLAY LEBRON WITH SINGLE COVERAGE DUE TO HOW BAD LEBRON WAS PERFORMING. IF KOBE GETS SINGLE COVERAGE BY DIAW, IT'S 50 POINTS EVERY TIME.
Boris Diaw slowed LeBron in the last 4 games, but never stopped him. Hence why the man averaged 30+ a game over those 4 games. Your point was to downgrade what LeBron did because of how Diaw defended him. But, again, you don't look at the fact that LeBron averaged over 30. Yet, when Kobe has a bad game, you overlook the bad game and look at what he did well. And THAT my friend is the full circle of your inability to discuss Kobe and LeBron without bias.
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YOU'RE TRYIN TOO HARD....AT LEAST UR HELPIN CHAM JERK IT, THO.
TOP 10 SMALL FORWARD FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/small-forwards
5 PLAYERS WITH 50%+ FG PERCENTAGE
TOP 10 SHOOTING GUARDS FG%:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/position/shooting-guards
IN COMPARISON, ONLY 1 SHOOTING GUARD SHOT 50%+ LAST SEASON (AND TO NO ONES SURPRISE, HE TAKES VERY LITTLE THREES LOL)
NOW, U KEEP TRYNA TWIST THIS INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT...BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. U TAKE ERSAN ILYASOVA, WHO CAME 9TH IN FG% FOR SMALL FORWARDS AND PUT HIM IN THE SHOOTING GUARD SLOT AND HE WOULDA BEEN 3RD. WHY ARE U TRYNA PROVE THIS WRONG WHEN IT'S RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT WEAKENS UR ARGUMENT, WHERE U TAKE SOMETHING LEGIT THAT I SAID AND TRY TURNIN IT INTO SOMETHIN ELSE.....AND NO, LEBRON IS NOT SHOOTING THREES AT THE SAME CLIP AS KOBE, MY DUDE. JUST LOOK AT THE SEASON BY SEASON STATS. IF U TAKE OUT KOBE'S BENCH YEARS, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE, REALLY. BUT THE POINT WITH MAGIC IS THAT HE HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HE WOULD ONLY TAKE SHOTS THAT HE FELT HE COULD MAKE FOR SURE, BEIN THAT HE'S A PASS-FIRST PLAYER ALA LEBRON...I KNOW U GET WHAT IM SAYIN, SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT.
Trying too hard? Is that what your eye test tells you? Anyway, thanks for posting that link. It proves my point about you generalizing a position. LeBron is number 1 on the list and put 250+ 3's last season. The next 3 on that list put up 81 3's last season... Combined. Kevin Durant is next with over 300 (50/40/90 by the way). Chandler Parsons with just under 400 3's. Josh Smith put up over 200 ill advised 3's. Matt Barnes, over 300. Ersan put up over 200 and lastly Melo over 400 3's.
Here at the SG's: Wade, 66. Dudley, 270. Kobe, over 400. Iggy, close to 300. Martin, 370+. Mayo, 350. Henderson, 100. Derozan, 120. Afflalo, 240. Crawford just under 400.
The games are not very different outside of Faried, Marion & Young. But, those 3 are why you cannot just generalize positions. LeBron and KD put up over 250 & 300, respectively, 3's and shot over 50%. It's not because of their position because they're putting up plenty of outside shots. Magic played in the Paint or as close to it as possible because that was his game. He did not have much range. As a Laker fan you should know that. Magic never put up more than 56 3's in a season until 88-89, he entered the league in 79-80.
Now remember, you've gone through all of this, just to prove that Kobe's terrible shooting games meant less than LeBron's terrible shooting games. And I'm the one trying too hard?
LOL THREES OR NOT, SMALL FORWARDS GENERALLY TAKE MORE INSIDE SHOTS AND LESS OUTSIDE SHOTS...GENERALLY. THIS IS A FACT. PULL UP ANY EXAMPLES U WANT, BUT THE FACT REMAINS THE SAME...3'S TYPICALLY SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES ON AVERAGE, BECAUSE GENERAL POSITIONING PUTS SHOOTING GUARDS IN AN OUTSIDE-MIDRANGE GAME AND THERES NO WAY AROUND THAT. ONE CANNOT ARGUE THAT LEBRON DOES NOT GET MORE SHOTS AT THE RIM, IN TRANSITION, INDISE ETC THAN KOBE BRYANT. IN DOING SO, YOU'D BE AN IDIOT. SO MY MAIN POINT STANDS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH U'D LIKE TO SHUT IT DOWN.
Just to refresh your memory:
BRO, UR COMPARING THE FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE OF A SHOOTING GUARD SCORER WITH UNLIMITED RANGE TO A PASS-FIRST SMALL FORWARD WHO IS KNOWN FOR SCORING MOST HIS POINTS RIGHT AT THE RIM...IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT. THATS LIKE SAYIN SHAQ IS BETTER THAN JORDAN BECAUSE HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS MUCH HIGHER. THATS FIRST AND FOREMOST...
Yeah... about that whole trying too hard thing...
JASON KIDD IS NOT UR AVERAGE GUARD, DUDE HAD YEARS WHERE HE REBOUNDED LIKE A BIG MAN....BAD EXAMPLE. AGAIN, FACT REMAINS, LEBRON SHOULD BE GRABBIN WAY MORE BOARDS THAN KOBE. HE HAS THE BODY OF A POWER FORWARD, BUT EVEN STRONGER. AND AGAIN, THE REASON HE DIDNT GET TO THE LINE WAS BECAUSE HE WAS A SHOOK AND AVOIDING CONTACT......THATS MY KNOCK ON HIM, HIS CHANGE OF STYLE WHEN THE MOMENTS INTENSIFY. THIS IS WHY HE AVERAGED 16 POINTS IN THE FIRST 3 GAMES.....BECAUSE HIS STYLE BECAME EVEN MORE PASSIVE DUE TO THE PRESSURE. KOBE GOT THE CALLS CUZ HE FORCED THE ISSUE, SOMETHING LEBRON DIDNT DO TILL GAME 6, WHEN HIS HEADBAND FELL OFF (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
And LeBron is not your average Small Forward. When a point is made, you always try to spin it. Fact remains that you attribute LeBron's rebounding ability to his "size and strength," but do not hold Kobe to that same standard when I compare a 6'3" (6'4" on a great day) Point Guard who "rebounded like a big man." What about Rondo & Westbrook? 1 is about 6' and the other is about 6'2", 6'3". Both are within 1 rebound per game over their career with Kobe. You want to know what a bad example is? When you're discussing 2 wing players and you bring up a 7'1" 300+ Center and compare him to a Guard who played Mid-Range, when talking about Field Goal Percentage? Or a 6'9" Guard who played Free Throw and in, to the same Guard who played mostly Mid-Range? Not even close.
The Jason Kidd comparison plays into your idea of "size and strength" because he's much smaller than Kobe, but rebounded much better. Furthermore, Kevin Love by all accounts is probably no more than 6'7". Rodman was more 6'6". Both of these guys are not the biggest or strongest and have led the NBA in rebounds. Rebound is about positioning, will and heart. DeAndre Jordan is an athletic 7 footer, still a poor rebounder. Reggie Evans is much smaller and was the teams best rebounder when he was on the Clippers, not the bigger and strong DeAndre Jordan. You generalize far too much.
Lastly, you must've never watched the Finals because LeBron did drive and he got a lot of contact and very few calls, as evident in the fact that he hardly got to the line. He had to settle for Jumpers because he was not getting to the basket easily.
YEA, BUT LEBRON DOES FIT THE BILL WHEN COMPARING SHOOTING GUARDS TO SMALL FORWARDS, CUZ HE DOES PLAY LESS OUTSIDE AND MORE AT THE RIM....SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE EXTRA SMALL CHOP IS ABOUT, BUT THROUGH EVERYTHING U COME UP WITH, MY FACTS STILL REMAIN. IT'S JUST FUNNY TO ME HOW U KEEP BRINGIN UP THESE ARBITRARY EXAMPLE TO DISPROVE WHAT I SAY, YET, IT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT....ON AVERAGE THE BIGGER YOU ARE THE MORE REBOUNDS YOU COLLECT......AM I WRONG OR NOT? AGAIN, KEY WORDS, ON AVERAGE. I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF RUSSELL WESTBROOK OR JASON KIDD ARE BEASTS ON THE BOARDS, BECAUSE THAT IS UNUSUAL FOR PLAYERS OF THEIR POSITION. DIRK ALSO SHOOTS THREES LIKE A MUFUCKA, IT STILL DOESNT MAKE IT TYPICAL FOR A 7 FOOTER TO BE AN OUTSIDE FORCE. COME ON, BRODIE.
NO, MY EYE TEST DIDNT FAIL...ALL I SAID WAS THAT LEBRON WAS ABLE TO SALVAGE A GAME WHERE HE PLAYED TERRIBLY AND EXTREMELY PASSIVE THROUGH 3 QUARTERS. HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT A GOOD GAME, SO HE GETS CREDIT THERE. BUT MY POINT WAS THAT THERE WERE STILL MORE MOMENTS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES WHERE HE PLAYED LIKE A MIHA AND A COMPLETELY SUBMISSIVE PUSSY AS OPPOSED TO AN ALPHA MALE WHO TAKES OVER (HEADBAND GAME BRO!)
Oh really? That's all you said?
THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME)
So, yes, your eye test did fail you. Or you just didn't watch the game. Which is it? Because you attributed LeBron's stats to OT, but I already showed you otherwise. And by the way, you see how you just can't say he had a good game 6? It's programmed in your brain to say "until" because you just can't give LeBron credit.
UR TRYIN TOO HARD, AGAIN...I ALREADY SAID I CREDITED IT AS A GOOD GAME A MILLION TIMES, AND ALREADY ADMITTED TO MISTAKING HIS STATS COMING IN OVERTIME. QUIT WITH THE STRETCH ARMSTRONG MOTIVES, SHITS GETTIN STRETCHY AS A MUFUCKA ROUND HERE.
U JUST PROVED MY POINT...THERES NO WAY IN HELL BORIS DIAW SHOULD BE GUARDING LEBRON JAMES LMAO 1-ON-1 IN THE FINALS. AND U SAID THAT LEBRON STARTED GOIN OFF THE MORE DIAW WAS GUARDING HIM? UR REALLY ARGUING AGAINST URSELF HERE...MY POINT WASNT THAT LEBRON HAD A TOUGH TIME AGAINST DIAW (EVEN THOUGH HE DID, AT TIMES)...MY POINT WAS THAT DIAW IS A TERRIBLE DEFENDER, SLOW, NO LATERAL MOVEMENT, NO ATHLETICISM, ETC.....YET HE WAS USED TO PLAY LEBRON WITH SINGLE COVERAGE DUE TO HOW BAD LEBRON WAS PERFORMING. IF KOBE GETS SINGLE COVERAGE BY DIAW, IT'S 50 POINTS EVERY TIME.
Boris Diaw slowed LeBron in the last 4 games, but never stopped him. Hence why the man averaged 30+ a game over those 4 games. Your point was to downgrade what LeBron did because of how Diaw defended him. But, again, you don't look at the fact that LeBron averaged over 30. Yet, when Kobe has a bad game, you overlook the bad game and look at what he did well. And THAT my friend is the full circle of your inability to discuss Kobe and LeBron without bias.
BUT U STILL MISSIN THE POINTS AND FAILIN TO ADDRESS EM
1.HE WAS GUARDED WITH SINGLE COVERAGE BY AN OLD SLOW MAN
2.HE WAS GUARDED LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF HIS POOR PLAY
3.IF KOBE WAS GUARDED BY SAID PLAYER, HE'D SCORE 50+
CIRCLES IS UR GAME. I ADDRESS EVERY 1 OF UR POINTS, WHILE U CONTINUE DANCING AROUND MINE, WHILE BRINGIN UP THE WEAKEST OF EXAMPLES TO DISPROVE FACTS I'M PROVIDING. NOT SAYIN U CHAM STATUS, CUZ U PLAYIN NOT TOO FAR BEHIND... BUT THIS IS CLEARLY MY GAME AND I'M WAITING FOR SOME MORE INTERESTING POINTS TO BE MADE, CONSIDERIN UR CIRCLES ARE STARTIN 2 BORE ME, CUD.
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Again, bud, you cannot generalize and think someone won't call you on it. Generalizing is not a fact. Fact is LeBron plays Mid-Range and Out more so than in the paint. If this was the 80s or even the 90s when teams would trot out the likes of Cedric Maxwell and Anthony Mason at the 3, I'd say you have a case. But, LeBron, KD etc. have changed the position into more wing than pivot. More backcourt than front. This a fact. So, to generalize, you are not telling the whole story.
Sure, on average, the bigger you are, the more rebounds you get. Therefore, Kobe is, on average, a worse rebounder than Westbrook, Kidd and Rondo. Are you OK with this brodie?
As for things getting "stretch as a mutha around here." All I did was point out where you made some key mistakes and where you slip in the "until" part for LeBron's game 6. That is not a stretch, it's a fact.
You do realize that LeBron played over 40 minutes and Diaw played less than 16 per game, right? LeBron was guarded like that and he had games of 33, 25, 32 and 37. If Kobe can score 50 points in 15 minutes, well then just give Kobe the Scoring Title now. He was defended this way because there was very little spacing on the floor which allowed for Diaw to get help. Remember that whenever Wade was on the floor, which was in the high 30s, the Spurs packed the paint.
There only dancing I've seen here was by you. You bring up an example, I counter it, you change the subject. I've shown you that your facts are skewed, but you've danced around that.
Kobe doesn't get calls, LeBron does >>> Numbers to show otherwise >>> You Dance.
LeBron doesn't shoot as well as Kobe >>> Numbers to show otherwise >>> You Dance.
Small Forwards shoot better because they play in the paint more >>> Numbers to show otherwise >>> You Dance.
LeBron had terrible shooting games >>> Numbers to show Kobe's bad shooting >>> You Dance.
It goes on. If this is your game, you need to think about changing your game to Golf.
Weak examples by the way: Shaq to MJ, Magic to MJ. Sorry cud.
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LMAO.
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Again, bud, you cannot generalize and think someone won't call you on it. Generalizing is not a fact. Fact is LeBron plays Mid-Range and Out more so than in the paint. If this was the 80s or even the 90s when teams would trot out the likes of Cedric Maxwell and Anthony Mason at the 3, I'd say you have a case. But, LeBron, KD etc. have changed the position into more wing than pivot. More backcourt than front. This a fact. So, to generalize, you are not telling the whole story.
I STARTED OUT THINKIN UR A QUALITY POSTER, BUT UR ACTUALLY QUITE SLOW IF U DONT GET WHAT IM SAYING BY NOW
http://www.82games.com/1213/12MIA9.HTM
LEBRON JAMES=35% OF HIS SHOTS COME INSIDE THEN ANOTHER 27%=COMES CLOSE TO THE BASKET WITH 7% BEING DUNKS
http://www.82games.com/1011/10LAL5.HTM
IN COMPARISON, KOBE=15% OF HIS SHOTS COME INSIDE THEN ANOTHER 14%=COMES CLOSE TO THE BASKET WITH 2% BEING DUNKS
NOW DO LIKE DUBEE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND MEEEEE, CUZ U ACTIN HELLA DUMB RIGHT NOW.....NO OFFENSE AT ALL, BUT IF U DONT SEE THAT THOSE STATS FIT MY CLAIM OF LEBRON PLAYING THE TRADITIONAL SMALL FORWARD STYLE, WHILE KOBE IS GENERALLY PLAYING LIKE A SHOOTING GUARD, THEN U REALLY DONT NEED TO BE REPLYING. U CAN REALIZE THIS BY NOTING TO URSELF THAT THE MORE EXCITED U GET YOUNG CHAM, THE DUMBER UR POSTS ARE.
Sure, on average, the bigger you are, the more rebounds you get. Therefore, Kobe is, on average, a worse rebounder than Westbrook, Kidd and Rondo. Are you OK with this brodie?
DAMN, REALLY?? THATS GROUNDBREAKING...AND LEBRON IS A WORSE PASSER THAN RONDO, A WORSE SHOOTER THAN RAY ALLEN, A WORSE BALL-HANDLER THAN CHRIS PAUL, AND A WORSE POST PLAYER THAN BROOK LOPEZ......ARE WE STATING THE OBVIOUS HERE? WHAT IS THIS NOW??
As for things getting "stretch as a mutha around here." All I did was point out where you made some key mistakes and where you slip in the "until" part for LeBron's game 6. That is not a stretch, it's a fact.
You do realize that LeBron played over 40 minutes and Diaw played less than 16 per game, right? LeBron was guarded like that and he had games of 33, 25, 32 and 37. If Kobe can score 50 points in 15 minutes, well then just give Kobe the Scoring Title now. He was defended this way because there was very little spacing on the floor which allowed for Diaw to get help. Remember that whenever Wade was on the floor, which was in the high 30s, the Spurs packed the paint.
POINT IS, FOR THOSE 16 MINUTES, BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING LEBRON JAMES 1-ON-1 WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION....THERES NO WAY THE ALLEGED BEST PLAYER IN THE WOLRD SHOULD BE DEFENDED LIKE THAT.......IN THE FINALS. NOT EVEN FOR 2 MINUTES....BUT IT HAPPENED....AND WHY DID IT HAPPEN? BECAUSE LEBRON WAS PLAYING POOR OFFENSIVELY TO THE POINT POPOVICH WASNT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT HIM FROM A SCORING STANDPOINT! U CAN REST ASSURE THAT A KOBE BRYANT OR A MICHAEL JORDAN WOULD NEVER... EVEERRRR...EVEREVEREVER BE GUARDED BY BORIS DIAW IN THE FINALS.... WITH SINGLE COVERAGE LOL. JUST ADMIT IT AND MOVE ALONG, IT AINT THAT HARD.
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I STARTED OUT THINKIN UR A QUALITY POSTER, BUT UR ACTUALLY QUITE SLOW IF U DONT GET WHAT IM SAYING BY NOW
http://www.82games.com/1213/12MIA9.HTM
LEBRON JAMES=35% OF HIS SHOTS COME INSIDE THEN ANOTHER 27%=COMES CLOSE TO THE BASKET WITH 7% BEING DUNKS
http://www.82games.com/1011/10LAL5.HTM
IN COMPARISON, KOBE=15% OF HIS SHOTS COME INSIDE THEN ANOTHER 14%=COMES CLOSE TO THE BASKET WITH 2% BEING DUNKS
NOW DO LIKE DUBEE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND MEEEEE, CUZ U ACTIN HELLA DUMB RIGHT NOW.....NO OFFENSE AT ALL, BUT IF U DONT SEE THAT THOSE STATS FIT MY CLAIM OF LEBRON PLAYING THE TRADITIONAL SMALL FORWARD STYLE, WHILE KOBE IS GENERALLY PLAYING LIKE A SHOOTING GUARD, THEN U REALLY DONT NEED TO BE REPLYING. U CAN REALIZE THIS BY NOTING TO URSELF THAT THE MORE EXCITED U GET YOUNG CHAM, THE DUMBER UR POSTS ARE.
Oh no! I'm no longer considered a quality poster by you. The sorrow! The pain! The agony...
Anyway. I've stated that LeBron goes to the rim more than Kobe. I never said he didn't. You contend that it's based on LeBron's position that he shoots better. Top 10 Players for Attempts at the Rim: 5 Centers. 1 PF. 2 SF. 1 SG & 1 PG. That second SF? Carmelo. And he shot under 45% for the season. It's not because of Position. It's not ONLY because of playing in the paint. Because if that was the case, then guys like Kenneth Faried and Thaddeus Young should have higher shooting percentages.
So, see, when you generalize things, you don't actually get the whole picture. Is LeBron's shooting percentage higher because he's able to get to rim more? Sure. Is that the only reason why? No. Not at all. He put up 250+ 3's. There is not a Small Forward in the league, or any player ever, who has done what LeBron did last year.
I'll lower the FG% to 50. There was quite a few instances of players shooting over 50% and putting up at least 250 3's. 0 Centers. 0 PF. 4 SF. 5 SG. 4 PG. So, as you can see, more Shooting Guards averaged over 50 or better from the field and put up at least 250 3's than Small Forwards.
So do like Dubee and please understand meeeeeeeee, cuz you actin' hella dumb right now. You've generalized and it hasn't worked. LeBron is not a traditional SF. His shooting percentage has less to do with position and far more to do with the higher percentage shots (be it at the Rim or Jumpers).
DAMN, REALLY?? THATS GROUNDBREAKING...AND LEBRON IS A WORSE PASSER THAN RONDO, A WORSE SHOOTER THAN RAY ALLEN, A WORSE BALL-HANDLER THAN CHRIS PAUL, AND A WORSE POST PLAYER THAN BROOK LOPEZ......ARE WE STATING THE OBVIOUS HERE? WHAT IS THIS NOW??
OOOH so obvious examples and correlations you don't like? But, you were OK with comparing guys who rarely worked outside of 10 Feet of the Rim as a way of proving your point for FG% right? See, you contradict yourself far too much. First, it's "Well Shaq shot better than Jordan" and "The bigger you are the more rebounds you get." But, when comparisons are then put on to Kobe it's "Gee, how obvious!" Point is, you said that with size, on average, comes better rebounding. I showed you otherwise. Instead of addressing it, you try to change the subject. Doesn't work like that.
POINT IS, FOR THOSE 16 MINUTES, BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING LEBRON JAMES 1-ON-1 WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION....THERES NO WAY THE ALLEGED BEST PLAYER IN THE WOLRD SHOULD BE DEFENDED LIKE THAT.......IN THE FINALS. NOT EVEN FOR 2 MINUTES....BUT IT HAPPENED....AND WHY DID IT HAPPEN? BECAUSE LEBRON WAS PLAYING POOR OFFENSIVELY TO THE POINT POPOVICH WASNT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT HIM FROM A SCORING STANDPOINT! U CAN REST ASSURE THAT A KOBE BRYANT OR A MICHAEL JORDAN WOULD NEVER... EVEERRRR...EVEREVEREVER BE GUARDED BY BORIS DIAW IN THE FINALS.... WITH SINGLE COVERAGE LOL. JUST ADMIT IT AND MOVE ALONG, IT AINT THAT HARD.
Sure, Diaw defended LeBron well. But, Pop didn't do that because he wasn't worried. He did that because he had no other choice. LeBron had his way in games 4-7 with all the other defenders. Big difference. He gambled because the spacing worked in the Spurs favor. They could provide an additional defender if needed and they were still able to pack the paint, forcing LeBron to either pass or take a bad shot. Yet, LeBron still had great games. Again, you're not telling the whole story.
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LMAO.
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I STARTED OUT THINKIN UR A QUALITY POSTER, BUT UR ACTUALLY QUITE SLOW IF U DONT GET WHAT IM SAYING BY NOW
http://www.82games.com/1213/12MIA9.HTM
LEBRON JAMES=35% OF HIS SHOTS COME INSIDE THEN ANOTHER 27%=COMES CLOSE TO THE BASKET WITH 7% BEING DUNKS
http://www.82games.com/1011/10LAL5.HTM
IN COMPARISON, KOBE=15% OF HIS SHOTS COME INSIDE THEN ANOTHER 14%=COMES CLOSE TO THE BASKET WITH 2% BEING DUNKS
NOW DO LIKE DUBEE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND MEEEEE, CUZ U ACTIN HELLA DUMB RIGHT NOW.....NO OFFENSE AT ALL, BUT IF U DONT SEE THAT THOSE STATS FIT MY CLAIM OF LEBRON PLAYING THE TRADITIONAL SMALL FORWARD STYLE, WHILE KOBE IS GENERALLY PLAYING LIKE A SHOOTING GUARD, THEN U REALLY DONT NEED TO BE REPLYING. U CAN REALIZE THIS BY NOTING TO URSELF THAT THE MORE EXCITED U GET YOUNG CHAM, THE DUMBER UR POSTS ARE.
Oh no! I'm no longer considered a quality poster by you. The sorrow! The pain! The agony...
Anyway. I've stated that LeBron goes to the rim more than Kobe. I never said he didn't. You contend that it's based on LeBron's position that he shoots better. Top 10 Players for Attempts at the Rim: 5 Centers. 1 PF. 2 SF. 1 SG & 1 PG. That second SF? Carmelo. And he shot under 45% for the season. It's not because of Position. It's not ONLY because of playing in the paint. Because if that was the case, then guys like Kenneth Faried and Thaddeus Young should have higher shooting percentages.
So, see, when you generalize things, you don't actually get the whole picture. Is LeBron's shooting percentage higher because he's able to get to rim more? Sure. Is that the only reason why? No. Not at all. He put up 250+ 3's. There is not a Small Forward in the league, or any player ever, who has done what LeBron did last year.
I'll lower the FG% to 50. There was quite a few instances of players shooting over 50% and putting up at least 250 3's. 0 Centers. 0 PF. 4 SF. 5 SG. 4 PG. So, as you can see, more Shooting Guards averaged over 50 or better from the field and put up at least 250 3's than Small Forwards.
So do like Dubee and please understand meeeeeeeee, cuz you actin' hella dumb right now. You've generalized and it hasn't worked. LeBron is not a traditional SF. His shooting percentage has less to do with position and far more to do with the higher percentage shots (be it at the Rim or Jumpers).
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S "ONLY" CUZ HE'S A SMALL FORWARD LOL...THE WAY TO TELL A WEAK DEBATER IS SOMEONE WHO PUTS WORDS IN UR MOUTH TO PROVE A POINT, WHICH UV DONE TIME AND TIME AGAIN. IS BEING A SMALL FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO A SHOOTING GUARD THE ONLY FACTOR? NO...BUT IT IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, AND U'D BE FOOLISH TO DENY THIS....NOW UR DOIN THE SAME THING AGAIN, BRINGING UP A BUNCH OF USELESS STATS TO TRY AND PROVE MY TRUTHS AS WRONG....I CAN UNDERSTAND U, NO DOUBT, UR DOIN WHATEVER IT TAKES TO TRY AND WIN A BATTLE THAT CANNOT BE WON.....BECAUSE I'M RIGHT. AND THAT DOESNT NECESSARILY MEAN UR WRONG, BUT U TRYNA PROVE ME WRONG WILL NOT END WELL FOR U WHEN WHAT I SAY IS NOTHIN BUT TRUTHS.
DAMN, REALLY?? THATS GROUNDBREAKING...AND LEBRON IS A WORSE PASSER THAN RONDO, A WORSE SHOOTER THAN RAY ALLEN, A WORSE BALL-HANDLER THAN CHRIS PAUL, AND A WORSE POST PLAYER THAN BROOK LOPEZ......ARE WE STATING THE OBVIOUS HERE? WHAT IS THIS NOW??
OOOH so obvious examples and correlations you don't like? But, you were OK with comparing guys who rarely worked outside of 10 Feet of the Rim as a way of proving your point for FG% right? See, you contradict yourself far too much. First, it's "Well Shaq shot better than Jordan" and "The bigger you are the more rebounds you get." But, when comparisons are then put on to Kobe it's "Gee, how obvious!" Point is, you said that with size, on average, comes better rebounding. I showed you otherwise. Instead of addressing it, you try to change the subject. Doesn't work like that.
THE OBVIOUS IS THE OBVIOUS...I DUNO WHAT UR TRYNA GET AT HERE. IT'S TRUE THAT I SAID WITH SIZE, ON AVERAGE, COMES BETTER REBOUNDING... YOU DIDNT SHOW ME OTHERWISE, U SHOWED ME ARBITRARY EXAMPLES TO TRY AND PROVE THAT FACT WRONG...LEARN THE DIFFERENCE, GENIUS.
POINT IS, FOR THOSE 16 MINUTES, BORIS DIAW WAS GUARDING LEBRON JAMES 1-ON-1 WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION....THERES NO WAY THE ALLEGED BEST PLAYER IN THE WOLRD SHOULD BE DEFENDED LIKE THAT.......IN THE FINALS. NOT EVEN FOR 2 MINUTES....BUT IT HAPPENED....AND WHY DID IT HAPPEN? BECAUSE LEBRON WAS PLAYING POOR OFFENSIVELY TO THE POINT POPOVICH WASNT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT HIM FROM A SCORING STANDPOINT! U CAN REST ASSURE THAT A KOBE BRYANT OR A MICHAEL JORDAN WOULD NEVER... EVEERRRR...EVEREVEREVER BE GUARDED BY BORIS DIAW IN THE FINALS.... WITH SINGLE COVERAGE LOL. JUST ADMIT IT AND MOVE ALONG, IT AINT THAT HARD.
Sure, Diaw defended LeBron well. But, Pop didn't do that because he wasn't worried. He did that because he had no other choice. LeBron had his way in games 4-7 with all the other defenders. Big difference. He gambled because the spacing worked in the Spurs favor. They could provide an additional defender if needed and they were still able to pack the paint, forcing LeBron to either pass or take a bad shot. Yet, LeBron still had great games. Again, you're not telling the whole story.
THIS IS WHY I CANT TAKE U SERIOUS...U SAID LEBRON HAD HIS WAY IN GAMES 4-7, WHEN IT WAS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT FATBOY DIAW ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO SHUT HIM DOWN IN GAME 5:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1675803-how-boris-diaw-shut-down-lebron-james-in-game-5-of-nba-finals
http://www.businessinsider.com/boris-diaw-shuts-down-lebron-james-2013-6
LOL...FACT REMAINS, ONCE A FUCKIN GAIN, BORIS DIAW SHOULD NOT BE GUARDING LEBRON IN THE FINALS WITH SINGLE COVERAGE, MY BUD
BOTTOM LINE, JAMES WAS STRUGGLING THROUGH GAME 6...HE WAS SHOOTING 43% AT THAT POINT. JUST LOOK AT THIS PIECE I CAME ACROSS RIGHT NOW WHEN SEARCHING "BORIS DIAW GUARDING LEBRON"
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/06/lebron-james-struggling-with-his-shot-in-the-nba-finals/
LMAO.
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I'M NOT SAYING IT'S "ONLY" CUZ HE'S A SMALL FORWARD LOL...THE WAY TO TELL A WEAK DEBATER IS SOMEONE WHO PUTS WORDS IN UR MOUTH TO PROVE A POINT, WHICH UV DONE TIME AND TIME AGAIN. IS BEING A SMALL FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO A SHOOTING GUARD THE ONLY FACTOR? NO...BUT IT IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, AND U'D BE FOOLISH TO DENY THIS....NOW UR DOIN THE SAME THING AGAIN, BRINGING UP A BUNCH OF USELESS STATS TO TRY AND PROVE MY TRUTHS AS WRONG....I CAN UNDERSTAND U, NO DOUBT, UR DOIN WHATEVER IT TAKES TO TRY AND WIN A BATTLE THAT CANNOT BE WON.....BECAUSE I'M RIGHT. AND THAT DOESNT NECESSARILY MEAN UR WRONG, BUT U TRYNA PROVE ME WRONG WILL NOT END WELL FOR U WHEN WHAT I SAY IS NOTHIN BUT TRUTHS.
See, when a person has no clue how to debate whatsoever, they forget things they say.
HE'S A SMALL FORWARD AND A PASS-FIRST PLAYER, WHICH MEANS HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE HIGHER.
JUST LIKE CENTERS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SMALL FORWARDS...SURE, U CAN PULL UP ROY HIBBERT'S STATS AND SAY "WELL, LOOK, SOME CENTERS SHOOT LOW PERCENTAGES 2", BUT FACT REMAINS, ON AVERAGE, SMALL FORWARDS NATURALLY SHOOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN SHOOTING GUARDS
Those are your words. Not mine. I showed you numbers that prove that Small Forwards and Shooting Guards, TODAY, are not that different when it comes to where they play and how they shoot. You call those stats useless. You present an opinion as a fact or a truth. I show numbers to disprove said "truth." You call them useless. Another sign of someone who lacks the ability to truly debate.
THE OBVIOUS IS THE OBVIOUS...I DUNO WHAT UR TRYNA GET AT HERE. IT'S TRUE THAT I SAID WITH SIZE, ON AVERAGE, COMES BETTER REBOUNDING... YOU DIDNT SHOW ME OTHERWISE, U SHOWED ME ARBITRARY EXAMPLES TO TRY AND PROVE THAT FACT WRONG...LEARN THE DIFFERENCE, GENIUS.
So, you can make the comparison to Shaq and Mike or Magic and Mike and it's OK and it's not just some arbitrary example. Yet, when I do the same, there's an issue. So, if I'm a sarcastic "genius" what does that make you? It's funny because only you can generalize or state obvious facts as a way to prove a point. But, let someone else do so...
My point of Kidd, Rondo and the like was not to state the obvious. It was more to state that your generalizations aren't always true. Some of the best Rebounders in the league are not the biggest. Are not the tallest. Are not the strongest. There's a reason why guys like Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, Muresan, Yao, Mark Eaton, Rik Smits, Ralph Sampson etc. never led the league in Rebounding. It's to be expected that with Size comes more rebounding, but it is not a given. YOU are generalizing it as such. And, again, when there are stats to prove otherwise, you try to disregard them. Re-Think your thought process, genius.
THIS IS WHY I CANT TAKE U SERIOUS...U SAID LEBRON HAD HIS WAY IN GAMES 4-7, WHEN IT WAS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT FATBOY DIAW ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO SHUT HIM DOWN IN GAME 5:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1675803-how-boris-diaw-shut-down-lebron-james-in-game-5-of-nba-finals
http://www.businessinsider.com/boris-diaw-shuts-down-lebron-james-2013-6
LOL...FACT REMAINS, ONCE A FUCKIN GAIN, BORIS DIAW SHOULD NOT BE GUARDING LEBRON IN THE FINALS WITH SINGLE COVERAGE, MY BUD
Reading Comprehension my friend. LeBron had his way with OTHER defenders. This is the exact why NOBODY takes you serious. You lack the simple tools needed to have a normal conversation. Are we talking about clear outs here where Diaw and LeBron are the only folks on that side of the floor single coverage or are we talking a congested paint and mid range area single coverage? Because they mean 2 different things.
Sure, Diaw defended LeBron well.
The acknowledgement that Diaw played LeBron well.
But, Pop didn't do that because he wasn't worried. He did that because he had no other choice. LeBron had his way in games 4-7 with all the other defenders. Big difference. He gambled because the spacing worked in the Spurs favor.
The explanation as to why Pop felt it necessary to gamble. He used many defenders on LeBron. What he needed was a body big enough to stop LeBron from muscling his way in. He needed a veteran to stay disciplined and not let LeBron get a first step. Diaw giving a cushion fits that bill. It was a gamble. Had it not worked, people like you would be saying "yeah, well he was defended by Boris Diaw, so who cares what he scored." Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
BOTTOM LINE, JAMES WAS STRUGGLING THROUGH GAME 6...HE WAS SHOOTING 43% AT THAT POINT. JUST LOOK AT THIS PIECE I CAME ACROSS RIGHT NOW WHEN SEARCHING "BORIS DIAW GUARDING LEBRON"
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/06/lebron-james-struggling-with-his-shot-in-the-nba-finals/
LMAO.
Struggling through Game 6? Well that's false. Game 4 33/11/4 2 steals, 2 blocks on 15/25. Game 5 25/6/8 4 steals on 8/22. You can say struggling offensively, but what about his rebounding? Assists? Defense? No mention of that.
The Bottom line of this conversation is that you knock LeBron for his Game 6, but do not do the same to Kobe's Game 7. That is the what started this road. And yet, you still are doing it. All that matters is the end result in a game. LeBron hit a big 3 and missed a big 3 with less and a minute left and got bailed out by a teammate grabbing a big Offensive board and another hitting a big 3. Kobe missed a big 3 with less than a minute, got bailed out by a teammate grabbing a big Offensive board and another hitting a big 3.
And ultimately, their lines looked like this:
32/10/11 11/26-1/5-9/12 42%/25%/75%
23/15/2 6/24-0/6-11/15 25%/0%/73%
Now, I've already showed you how both games ended. They both ended in a win. 1 guy scored more, shot better from all spots and assisted better, ending with a triple double. The other shot far worse from all around, including missing all 3's, rebounded well, but only hit 1 field goal in the entire 4th quarter. And, this is how you breakdown the games:
LeBron's Game 6
THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME) AND THE SERIES IS OVER WITH LEBRON ONLY DOING GOOD IN 1 OUT OF 6 GAMES! WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE... AND HE DID THE MOST WITH IT. STILL, I'M NOT GUNNA SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE HE WASNT STRUGGLING MOST OF THE TIME PRIOR TO THE HEADBAND FALLING. THIN LINES DONT EXIST.
Kobe's Game 7
THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
And you want to be taken serious.
It's obvious that you do not want to give LeBron any props. You'll find any season to put him down. There's no point in continuing. I'm going to end this conversation and move forward because your Shucking and Jiving is out of control.
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LMAOOOOOO.
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I'M NOT SAYING IT'S "ONLY" CUZ HE'S A SMALL FORWARD LOL...THE WAY TO TELL A WEAK DEBATER IS SOMEONE WHO PUTS WORDS IN UR MOUTH TO PROVE A POINT, WHICH UV DONE TIME AND TIME AGAIN. IS BEING A SMALL FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO A SHOOTING GUARD THE ONLY FACTOR? NO...BUT IT IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, AND U'D BE FOOLISH TO DENY THIS....NOW UR DOIN THE SAME THING AGAIN, BRINGING UP A BUNCH OF USELESS STATS TO TRY AND PROVE MY TRUTHS AS WRONG....I CAN UNDERSTAND U, NO DOUBT, UR DOIN WHATEVER IT TAKES TO TRY AND WIN A BATTLE THAT CANNOT BE WON.....BECAUSE I'M RIGHT. AND THAT DOESNT NECESSARILY MEAN UR WRONG, BUT U TRYNA PROVE ME WRONG WILL NOT END WELL FOR U WHEN WHAT I SAY IS NOTHIN BUT TRUTHS.
See, when a person has no clue how to debate whatsoever, they forget things they say.
HE'S A SMALL FORWARD AND A PASS-FIRST PLAYER, WHICH MEANS HIS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE WILL NATURALLY BE HIGHER.
JUST LIKE CENTERS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES THAN SMALL FORWARDS...SURE, U CAN PULL UP ROY HIBBERT'S STATS AND SAY "WELL, LOOK, SOME CENTERS SHOOT LOW PERCENTAGES 2", BUT FACT REMAINS, ON AVERAGE, SMALL FORWARDS NATURALLY SHOOT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN SHOOTING GUARDS
Those are your words. Not mine. I showed you numbers that prove that Small Forwards and Shooting Guards, TODAY, are not that different when it comes to where they play and how they shoot. You call those stats useless. You present an opinion as a fact or a truth. I show numbers to disprove said "truth." You call them useless. Another sign of someone who lacks the ability to truly debate.
ARE U MENTALLY RETARDED? LOL...SERIOUSLY? BECAUSE I DID SAY THAT BEING A SMALL FORWARD IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, BUT NEVER CLAIMED IT WAS THE ONLY REASON. THEN I POSTED UP NUMBERS TO PROVE THAT SMALL FORWARDS, ON AVERAGE, SHOOT HIGHER PERCENTAGES NATURALLY....SO IF U DONT UNDERSTAND THAT AND CONTINUE BATTLING IT, THEN YES, U ARE RETARDED.
THE OBVIOUS IS THE OBVIOUS...I DUNO WHAT UR TRYNA GET AT HERE. IT'S TRUE THAT I SAID WITH SIZE, ON AVERAGE, COMES BETTER REBOUNDING... YOU DIDNT SHOW ME OTHERWISE, U SHOWED ME ARBITRARY EXAMPLES TO TRY AND PROVE THAT FACT WRONG...LEARN THE DIFFERENCE, GENIUS.
So, you can make the comparison to Shaq and Mike or Magic and Mike and it's OK and it's not just some arbitrary example. Yet, when I do the same, there's an issue. So, if I'm a sarcastic "genius" what does that make you? It's funny because only you can generalize or state obvious facts as a way to prove a point. But, let someone else do so...
HERES THE PROBLEM....WHAT UR DOING IS COMPLETELY RETARDED. I WAS GENERALIZING AND BRINGIN UP EXAMPLES OF HOW DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLAYERS WILL SHOOT DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES. NOT ARBITRARY EXAMPLES. YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND, CAME IN HERE BRINGING UP ATYPICAL EXAMPLES, SUCH AS JASON KIDD BEING A GREAT REBOUNDER FOR HIS SIZE.... NOT ONLY IS THAT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S ALSO RETARDED.
My point of Kidd, Rondo and the like was not to state the obvious. It was more to state that your generalizations aren't always true. Some of the best Rebounders in the league are not the biggest. Are not the tallest. Are not the strongest. There's a reason why guys like Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, Muresan, Yao, Mark Eaton, Rik Smits, Ralph Sampson etc. never led the league in Rebounding. It's to be expected that with Size comes more rebounding, but it is not a given. YOU are generalizing it as such. And, again, when there are stats to prove otherwise, you try to disregard them. Re-Think your thought process, genius.
LOL MORE RETARDEDNESS....I ALREADY STATED THAT BEING BIG DOESNT NECESSARILY MAKE U A BETTER REBOUNDER ON ITS OWN. BUT TYPICALLY, THE BIGGER U ARE, THE MORE ADVANTAGE U HAVE FOR REBOUNDING...ONLY A RETARDED RETARD WOULD ARGUE THIS+U SUCK ASS AT DEBATING.
THIS IS WHY I CANT TAKE U SERIOUS...U SAID LEBRON HAD HIS WAY IN GAMES 4-7, WHEN IT WAS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT FATBOY DIAW ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO SHUT HIM DOWN IN GAME 5:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1675803-how-boris-diaw-shut-down-lebron-james-in-game-5-of-nba-finals
http://www.businessinsider.com/boris-diaw-shuts-down-lebron-james-2013-6
LOL...FACT REMAINS, ONCE A FUCKIN GAIN, BORIS DIAW SHOULD NOT BE GUARDING LEBRON IN THE FINALS WITH SINGLE COVERAGE, MY BUD
Reading Comprehension my friend. LeBron had his way with OTHER defenders. This is the exact why NOBODY takes you serious. You lack the simple tools needed to have a normal conversation. Are we talking about clear outs here where Diaw and LeBron are the only folks on that side of the floor single coverage or are we talking a congested paint and mid range area single coverage? Because they mean 2 different things.
I DONT GET WHAT UR POINT IS HERE? SOUNDS LIKE MORE RETARD TALK TO ME, BUT ARE U SOMEHOW DISPROVING THE FACT THAT LEBRON WAS GUARDED BY DIAW WITH SINGLE COVERAGE? ARE U SOMEHOW DISPROVING THE FACT THAT LEBRON UNDERPERFORMED THROUGH 5 GAMES?? NO...UR JUST YAPPIN AWAY TO GIVE CHAM ANOTHER BONER. IF U AINT GOT SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY, SHUT UR MOUTH.
Sure, Diaw defended LeBron well.
The acknowledgement that Diaw played LeBron well.
But, Pop didn't do that because he wasn't worried. He did that because he had no other choice. LeBron had his way in games 4-7 with all the other defenders. Big difference. He gambled because the spacing worked in the Spurs favor.
The explanation as to why Pop felt it necessary to gamble. He used many defenders on LeBron. What he needed was a body big enough to stop LeBron from muscling his way in. He needed a veteran to stay disciplined and not let LeBron get a first step. Diaw giving a cushion fits that bill. It was a gamble. Had it not worked, people like you would be saying "yeah, well he was defended by Boris Diaw, so who cares what he scored." Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
HE WAS GUARDED BY BORIS DIAW WITH SINGLE COVERAGE
LMAO
BOTTOM LINE, JAMES WAS STRUGGLING THROUGH GAME 6...HE WAS SHOOTING 43% AT THAT POINT. JUST LOOK AT THIS PIECE I CAME ACROSS RIGHT NOW WHEN SEARCHING "BORIS DIAW GUARDING LEBRON"
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/06/lebron-james-struggling-with-his-shot-in-the-nba-finals/
LMAO.
Struggling through Game 6? Well that's false. Game 4 33/11/4 2 steals, 2 blocks on 15/25. Game 5 25/6/8 4 steals on 8/22. You can say struggling offensively, but what about his rebounding? Assists? Defense? No mention of that.
The Bottom line of this conversation is that you knock LeBron for his Game 6, but do not do the same to Kobe's Game 7. That is the what started this road. And yet, you still are doing it. All that matters is the end result in a game. LeBron hit a big 3 and missed a big 3 with less and a minute left and got bailed out by a teammate grabbing a big Offensive board and another hitting a big 3. Kobe missed a big 3 with less than a minute, got bailed out by a teammate grabbing a big Offensive board and another hitting a big 3.
And ultimately, their lines looked like this:
32/10/11 11/26-1/5-9/12 42%/25%/75%
23/15/2 6/24-0/6-11/15 25%/0%/73%
Now, I've already showed you how both games ended. They both ended in a win. 1 guy scored more, shot better from all spots and assisted better, ending with a triple double. The other shot far worse from all around, including missing all 3's, rebounded well, but only hit 1 field goal in the entire 4th quarter. And, this is how you breakdown the games:
OH MY FUCKIN GOD....NOT THIS AGAIN. ROFL...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL UR ASS THAT I ALREADY CREDITED GAME 6 AS A GOOD ONE FOR LEBRON. REMEDIAL MUCH? AS FOR GAME 5 BEIN A GOOD ONE, LMFAO...HE SHOT 1/8 WHEN GUARDED BY FAT MAN DIAW IN THAT GAME, AND THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON THE HEAT LOST. SMFH@ANYONE TRYNA SAY IT WAS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TERRIBLE GAME FOR LEBRON
LeBron's Game 6
THIS WAS THE GAME WHERE HE WAS TERRIBLE UP UNTIL THE HEADBAND FELL OFF...I ALREADY SAID I'D COUNT IT AS A GOOD GAME, BUT IF RAY ALLEN DONT HIT THAT THREE, IT GOES DOWN AS A BAD GAME (HE COLLECTED A GOOD PORTION OF HIS STATS IN OVERTIME) AND THE SERIES IS OVER WITH LEBRON ONLY DOING GOOD IN 1 OUT OF 6 GAMES! WELL...I CAN TELL U ONE THING, GOD WAS ON HIS SIDE. CUZ ONCE TIM DUNCAN WAS BENCHED+BOSH HAD THE CHANCE TO GRAB THAT REBOUND+RAY ALLEN HIT THAT 3 TO TIE IT=LEBRON WAS GIVEN 1 MORE CHANCE... AND HE DID THE MOST WITH IT. STILL, I'M NOT GUNNA SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE HE WASNT STRUGGLING MOST OF THE TIME PRIOR TO THE HEADBAND FALLING. THIN LINES DONT EXIST.
Kobe's Game 7
THE INFAMOUS "BAD SHOOTING" GAME, WHICH WAS SALVAGED BY AN EXCEPTIONAL 15 REBOUND GAME IN A SERIES WHERE REBOUNDING DECIDED EVERY GAME
And you want to be taken serious.
It's obvious that you do not want to give LeBron any props. You'll find any season to put him down. There's no point in continuing. I'm going to end this conversation and move forward because your Shucking and Jiving is out of control.
BUT UR MISSING THE MAIN POINT...I STILL CREDITED IT AS A GOOD GAME, REGARDLESS. ALL I SAID WAS THAT HE WAS HEADED IN THE DIRECTION OF THE WAY HE WAS TYPICALLY PLAYING IN THE SERIES, BUT GOT THE CHANCE TO SALVAGE HIS POOR PLAY. KOBE, ON THE OTHER HAND, WAS PLAYING GENERALLY WELL FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES AND HAD AN OFF SHOOTING NIGHT....IT REALLY IS NOT THE SAME, NO MATTER HOW UR TRYNA TWIST IT. LEBRON WAS DOIN WHAT HE WAS DOIN OUT OF HABBIT, AND THEN SNAPPED OUT OF IT WHEN THE HEADBAND WAS KNOCKED OFF...KOBE WAS BEING HARASSED, DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED, AND HAD TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO HELP HIS TEAM WIN. IN THE END, THEY WERE BOTH GOOD GAMES, BUT LEBRON PLAYED 2 DIFFERENT WAYS IN THAT GAME...LIKE A PASSIVE PUSSY WITH NO BALLS THROUGH THREE QUARTERS AND LIKE A MAN ON A MISSION IN THE 4TH AND OT.......THATS THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT HE SALVAGED A BAD GAME. ITS CUZ HE HAS SPLIT PERSONALITIES AND U NEVER KNOW WHICH LEBRON WILL SHOW UP....NOW RUN ALONG, BUDDY.