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Magic Johnson Responds to LeBron James Not Including Him in All-Time Top 3
BY TRISTAN THORNBURGH (SOCIAL MEDIA STAFF) ON AUGUST 22, 2013
Earlier this week, LeBron James named his top three NBA players of all time, which included Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Julius Erving. The first player left off of LeBron's list was Magic Johnson, and today Magic took to Twitter to address his No. 4 ranking.
Magic obviously respects LeBron's game and acknowledges that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but he seems slightly offended that he was left off his list.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1747366-magic-johnson-responds-to-lebron-james-not-including-him-on-his-top-3-players
https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=370613859016777728
https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=370615269703811072
smfh@this faggot
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what an arrogant fuck...the only mistake Lebron made was not listing Bill russell or Oscar Robertson instead of Dr. J
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LEBRON IS AN IDIOT. MAGIC, NOT IN YOUR TOP 3? FOREAL?? :stupid:
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LEBRON IS AN IDIOT. MAGIC, NOT IN YOUR TOP 3? FOREAL?? :stupid:
top 5 for sure
top 3? very debatable. i can't justify putting him over MJ or Bird...and Bill Russell won 5 MVP's and 11 freaking rings. how can you argue against that? lol
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Magic is widely regarded as >Bird...and Dr J over Magic is just blasphemous
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Lakers take another L
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I'll take Bird over Magic because he was a better shooter, scorer and he averaged 10 rebounds a game at the same time. and one of the best passing forwards of all time.
now Dr. J....I think that's just Lebron trying to be a hipster lol
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Lakers take another L
no one on the planet has a rocket in their top 3 :laugh:
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Lakers take another L
no one on the planet has a rocket in their top 3 :laugh:
anyone who grew up watching the great Hakeem Olajuwan might 8)
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Lakers take another L
no one on the planet has a rocket in their top 3 :laugh:
anyone who grew up watching the great Hakeem Olajuwan might 8)
lmao hakeem aint even in most peoples top 3 centers
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Dream didn't match up against a bunch of 5'8" white dudes. He played and dominated during the greatest era of centers in league history. But we aren't talking about Dream we are talking about the Lakers taking another loss and crying about it. Nice strawman argument.
But since I'm bored I'll play your game:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/One-on-One-with-Michael-Jordan_6189
If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him.
—Michael Jordan
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lol @ Magic talking about how much rings matter & left Bill off the Tweet.
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If rings are the biggest thing where is Robert Horry on these lists.
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lol @ Magic talking about how much rings matter & left Bill off the Tweet.
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Dream didn't match up against a bunch of 5'8" white dudes. He played and dominated during the greatest era of centers in league history. But we aren't talking about Dream we are talking about the Lakers taking another loss and crying about it. Nice strawman argument.
But since I'm bored I'll play your game:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/One-on-One-with-Michael-Jordan_6189
If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him.
—Michael Jordan
great...he's still not even close to being regarded as a top 3 all-time player, and thats why ur mad.
u actually expected me to entertain ur angertrolling in defense mode or something?
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Dream didn't match up against a bunch of 5'8" white dudes. He played and dominated during the greatest era of centers in league history. But we aren't talking about Dream we are talking about the Lakers taking another loss and crying about it. Nice strawman argument.
But since I'm bored I'll play your game:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/One-on-One-with-Michael-Jordan_6189
If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him.
—Michael Jordan
great...he's still not even close to being regarded as a top 3 all-time player, and thats why ur mad.
u actually expected me to entertain ur angertrolling in defense mode or something?
One person on earth has him above all others. u mad.
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Dream didn't match up against a bunch of 5'8" white dudes. He played and dominated during the greatest era of centers in league history. But we aren't talking about Dream we are talking about the Lakers taking another loss and crying about it. Nice strawman argument.
But since I'm bored I'll play your game:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/One-on-One-with-Michael-Jordan_6189
If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him.
—Michael Jordan
great...he's still not even close to being regarded as a top 3 all-time player, and thats why ur mad.
u actually expected me to entertain ur angertrolling in defense mode or something?
One person on earth has him above all others. u mad.
and that one person is u....jordan only picked him as his best center. quit gettin excited like a lil girl.
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If you take into account the amount of centers Hakeem has dominated in playoff series you can argue he's the best ever. Hakeem owned every one of them in his prime including sweeping a much younger/healthier Shaq who had just beat the Jordan/Pippen bulls earlier in the playoffs. Year before? Beat Ewing and the Knicks in the finals and we all know how David Robinson felt about facing Hakeem *
* http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/06/dennis-rodman-thought-david-robinson-was-intimidated-by-hakeem-olajuwon/
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If you take into account the amount of centers Hakeem has dominated in playoff series you can argue he's the best ever. Hakeem owned every one of them in his prime including sweeping a much younger/healthier Shaq who had just beat the Jordan/Pippen bulls earlier in the playoffs. Year before? Beat Ewing and the Knicks in the finals and we all know how David Robinson felt about facing Hakeem *
* http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/06/dennis-rodman-thought-david-robinson-was-intimidated-by-hakeem-olajuwon/
WOULD U TAKE HIM OVER BILL RUSSELL AND LARY BIRD?
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If you take into account the amount of centers Hakeem has dominated in playoff series you can argue he's the best ever. Hakeem owned every one of them in his prime including sweeping a much younger/healthier Shaq who had just beat the Jordan/Pippen bulls earlier in the playoffs. Year before? Beat Ewing and the Knicks in the finals and we all know how David Robinson felt about facing Hakeem *
* http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/06/dennis-rodman-thought-david-robinson-was-intimidated-by-hakeem-olajuwon/
WOULD U TAKE HIM OVER BILL RUSSELL AND LARY BIRD?
am I drafting a team here or am I going with who was better in their own era?
Russell dominated his era (including many greats such as Wilt Well Hakeem is taller and just as good an athlete as any 7 footer on this planet ever is/was/will be
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Just all time.. U got Hakeem over russell, yes or no?
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Just all time.. U got Hakeem over russell, yes or no?
no but that's like choosing between Eminem and Royce Da 5'9....can't go wring either way :D
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Just all time.. U got Hakeem over russell, yes or no?
no
THEN STFU :laugh:
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No surprise that LeBron did this. I consider him this generation's Dr. J, and his stats are closest to Bird's stats. I mean, it's almost perfect in a way, because you can see how those 3 players have influenced him greatly. With that said, THIS MUTHAPHUKKA IS JUST STRAIGHT OUT DUMB! Of course Magic is in the top 3. It's Air Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, in that order. I'd put Kareem up there, but I think Russell's done more than enough to prove how great of a player he is. Although I'd rank Kareem a better center, go figure. Still, that's the top 3, ain't no way Dr. J or Bird is better than Magic.
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lol @ not allowing a nigga to have his own opinion.
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lol @ not allowing a nigga to have his own opinion.
I did say he can have it's own opinion, just that his opinion is wrong. LOL
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
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I replaced Bird for Russell. You have to admit Russell was the better Celtic. Actually, I'd put Russell over Jordan, but I haven't put enough thought to actually do that.
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
magic>bird>dr. j
it's universally accepted. lebron is just a bitchboy. magic been suckin his dick like a good company man and this the thanks he get?
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Lebron should apologize for not mentioning a player you have never seen play when he was active when asked an off the cuff question.
He should have shoe horned Kobe in his answer to appease you.
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
magic>bird>dr. j
it's universally accepted. lebron is just a bitchboy. magic been suckin his dick like a good company man and this the thanks he get?
It's actually universally accepted outside of California that LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
magic>bird>dr. j
it's universally accepted. lebron is just a bitchboy. magic been suckin his dick like a good company man and this the thanks he get?
It's actually universally accepted outside of California that LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.
and accepted amongst non laker fans in cali
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I'm in Minnesota, and no one I knows thinks LeBron is better than Kobe at his best. I'm confused.
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
magic>bird>dr. j
it's universally accepted. lebron is just a bitchboy. magic been suckin his dick like a good company man and this the thanks he get?
It's actually universally accepted outside of California that LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.
WERE COMPARING A 35 YEAR OLD DUDE WITH 17 SEASONS UNDER HIS BELT TO A DUDE IN HIS ABSOLUTE PRIME....THAT IN ITSELF SPEAKS VOLUMES.
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
magic>bird>dr. j
it's universally accepted. lebron is just a bitchboy. magic been suckin his dick like a good company man and this the thanks he get?
It's actually universally accepted outside of California that LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.
WERE COMPARING A 35 YEAR OLD DUDE WITH 17 SEASONS UNDER HIS BELT TO A DUDE IN HIS ABSOLUTE PRIME....THAT IN ITSELF SPEAKS VOLUMES.
All-time, pussy.
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Your opinion is wrong for leaving Bird out.
magic>bird>dr. j
it's universally accepted. lebron is just a bitchboy. magic been suckin his dick like a good company man and this the thanks he get?
It's actually universally accepted outside of California that LeBron is flat out better than Kobe.
WERE COMPARING A 35 YEAR OLD DUDE WITH 17 SEASONS UNDER HIS BELT TO A DUDE IN HIS ABSOLUTE PRIME....THAT IN ITSELF SPEAKS VOLUMES.
All-time, pussy.
UR SPORTS SECTION POSTS ARE ABOUT AS INSIGHTFUL AS RADIOTUBE'S MUSIC POSTS.
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Lmaoooo. So much denial.
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Lmaoooo. So much denial.
lol its like napoleon dynamite or somethin with the played out catch phrases.. your posts are pretty much all interchangeable, elton.
"sooooooo tight" (stereotypical homo emphasis on the "so")
"lmao world biggest herb!"
"this nigga is in denial'
"such a loser/pussy/nerd"
slow ur roll, young caricature
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There's only so many phrases man created to describe someone of your faggotry levels.
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now u tryna sound like me...time 2 fall back
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Personally I'd probably have Kobe in my top 3. Top 4 at least, above Lebron for today's arguments as well. Jordan, Bird, Magic & Kobe. And trust me I'm not even remotely a Laker fan. I was a Jordan guy when I was young and a Piston fan as a grown man.
I'm not doggin' Bron either, he will be among the greatest if he isn't already but not top 5.
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Personally I'd probably have Kobe in my top 3. Top 4 at least, above Lebron for today's arguments as well. Jordan, Bird, Magic & Kobe. And trust me I'm not even remotely a Laker fan. I was a Jordan guy when I was young and a Piston fan as a grown man.
I'm not doggin' Bron either, he will be among the greatest if he isn't already but not top 5.
realest spit ever spat
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Kobe, top 3, I can see that. I usually don't rank current players in all time list until they retire. I pissed off my Bulls fan friends, as I refused to rank Jordan in the top 10 even, until he retired. Then I put him at number 3.... LOL. That really pissed people off. I might have to rethink were I put Kobe, it's closer than I'd like to admit to that time.
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Kobe is the greatest laker of all time and Magic is the greatest player of all time......go figure :laugh:
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Personally I'd probably have Kobe in my top 3. Top 4 at least, above Lebron for today's arguments as well. Jordan, Bird, Magic & Kobe. And trust me I'm not even remotely a Laker fan. I was a Jordan guy when I was young and a Piston fan as a grown man.
I'm not doggin' Bron either, he will be among the greatest if he isn't already but not top 5.
LMAO!!!!!
kobe isn't even top 10 yet, slow ya roll. child please.
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Personally I'd probably have Kobe in my top 3. Top 4 at least, above Lebron for today's arguments as well. Jordan, Bird, Magic & Kobe. And trust me I'm not even remotely a Laker fan. I was a Jordan guy when I was young and a Piston fan as a grown man.
I'm not doggin' Bron either, he will be among the greatest if he isn't already but not top 5.
LMAO!!!!!
kobe isn't even top 10 yet, slow ya roll. child please.
and this is why no one regards u as anything higher than a troll poster in the sports section
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name me the players you think are better than kobe
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i dont think anyone is "better" than kobe....i think there are about 10 all time greats that were all the greatest at what they do and are all interchangeable at number 1
kobe
michael
magic
bird
wilt
kareem
hakeem
robertson
shaq
russell
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where the fuck is bill russell? dude has 11 rings :grumpy: :nawty:
laker fans :eh:
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i actually thought i had him in there
but u get the point....the whole GOAT thing is all a part of branding/marketing/media hype.....it only exists in our minds. when taking two players who are the best at what they do, u cannot put one above the other. lebron is not the best at what he does, cuz he still has plenty of room for improvement. he's a second tier great, with the likes of dr. j, dominique wilkins, scottie pippen, isaiah thomas, etc....now that i think about it, i guess thats the reason he picked dr. j lol
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11 rings >
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Kobe is the greatest laker of all time and Magic is the greatest player of all time......go figure :laugh:
I feel comfortable saying Kobe's career on the Lakers is better than Magic on the Lakers. With that said, I have issues putting Kobe in an all time ranking with Magic, Jordan, Bird, Dr. J, Russell, Wilt and everyone else. I really haven't thought of where Kobe is all time, and his legacy is still being written. So I have no problem saying he might be the greatest Laker of all time. But greatest player of all time? Not yet. Don't even know where to rank him.
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Kobe is the greatest laker of all time and Magic is the greatest player of all time......go figure :laugh:
I feel comfortable saying Kobe's career on the Lakers is better than Magic on the Lakers. With that said, I have issues putting Kobe in an all time ranking with Magic, Jordan, Bird, Dr. J, Russell, Wilt and everyone else. I really haven't thought of where Kobe is all time, and his legacy is still being written. So I have no problem saying he might be the greatest Laker of all time. But greatest player of all time? Not yet. Don't even know where to rank him.
kobe passed dr. j long ago...dr. j is on the list of 2nd tier goats. lol@a laker fan having a "problem" with putting kobe on an all-time list with dr. j smfh
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saying kobe is better than magic as a laker is like saying Jeter is better than lou gehrig as a Yankee.
sure, magic and lou gehrig were both forced to retire a good 3-4 years before their best days were over due to horrible circumstances but just because these new jacks came along and were healthy and didn't get ALS or aids doesn't make them better than the predecessor.
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saying kobe is better than magic as a laker is like saying Jeter is better than lou gehrig as a Yankee.
sure, magic and lou gehrig were both forced to retire a good 3-4 years before their best days were over due to horrible circumstances but just because these new jacks came along and were healthy and didn't get ALS or aids doesn't make them better than the predecessor.
magic himself has already accepted kobe as the GOAT laker lol
can u picture jordan ever accepting some1 as the GOAT bull? naah...u know why? cuz it hasnt happened.
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magic is also a complete ass laker kisser and apologist x 10. he'll say whatever to get attention.
his commentary is pointless and i almost never listen to it...all of that ESPN crew is horrible. wilbon just kisses ass, bill simmons gets taken off the air if he says something real (lol check youtube) and they suck compared to the TNT crew.
magic was def better than kobe and it's not really close unless you only look at longevity and ignore everything else
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magic is also a complete ass laker kisser and apologist x 10. he'll say whatever to get attention.
exact opposite, and ur at an all time low with this claim....magic is KNOWN and FROWNED UPON by the laker community for his back-handed comments against the organization. he usually is extremely tough on the lakers and is known for predicting against us most of the time. most think it's because he's a company-man and is made to say those things by bspn, but i think it's because he's unadmittedly bitter that kobe has passed him on the all-time list + that the laker organization doesnt kiss his ass and never handed him over a higher stake with the organization, to the point where he had to go fux wit the dodgers to get the power he wanted.
lmao@"magic was definitely better than kobe"......at passing, and thats it. smfh if u claim he was better at anything else.
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lmao
Let's just run over some things he's said this postseason
Predicted Lakers over Spurs in 6
Said that the key to that series was the Kawhi vs Pau matchup. (????)
Said that the only way the Spurs can win against the Grizz is if they score more than 30 points a quarter.
If the Grizz want to win, they have to pick up their pace, because clearly a up-tempo offense is what has been winning them games.
That's just during Spurs games. I'm sure there's other idiotic things he's said during other games as well. As long as I'm ranting, I might as well say ESPN needs to find a new NBA crew ASAP. Wilbon's ok, but he seems disinterested at times. Magic says nothing of value during anything, pulling stats and information out of his ass. I hate Jalen Rose's voice; I know that's a shitty reason to him but whatever. And Simmons. I like Simmons when he writes. He clearly has knowledge of the game, but I never see that. And the thing is he respects Jalen and Magic too much too call them out on any of their bullshit. Magic can say whatever the fuck he wants cause he's the greatest PG to ever play. And Jalen and Bill are friends from Grantland, so there's never any arguing between them.
And that's exactly what they need. Arguing. TNT works because Kenny,Chuck, and Shaq respect each other, but aren't afraid to call each other out or disagree with one another. And of course no one's better than Ernie.
TL;DR - Magic pulls things out of his ass, no one calls him out because he's Magic Johnson. And ESPN needs a new halftime/pregame crew
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1eqg1h/why_magic_johnson_is_the_worst_nba_analyst_on_tv/
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Kobe is the greatest laker of all time and Magic is the greatest player of all time......go figure :laugh:
I feel comfortable saying Kobe's career on the Lakers is better than Magic on the Lakers. With that said, I have issues putting Kobe in an all time ranking with Magic, Jordan, Bird, Dr. J, Russell, Wilt and everyone else. I really haven't thought of where Kobe is all time, and his legacy is still being written. So I have no problem saying he might be the greatest Laker of all time. But greatest player of all time? Not yet. Don't even know where to rank him.
kobe passed dr. j long ago...dr. j is on the list of 2nd tier goats. lol@a laker fan having a "problem" with putting kobe on an all-time list with dr. j smfh
I didn't put Jordan in my top 25 until he retired, and I ain't ranking Kobe until he retires. It's not just Magic and Dr. J, but where does he rank with a guy with 11 rings, a guy better than him at his own position, a player from his team that had more triple doubles. I consider Kareem a better center than Bill Russell, but I rank Russell higher in my all time list because he just won. Before he was a Celtic, the Celtics sucked. After he left the Celtics, the Celtics sucked. So I have considered Russell a better player than Kareem because of his all around team game. But I have no doubt Kareem would kick Russell's ass in a game of one on one. So to add Kobe onto that list takes actual evaluation, at least for me. When someone new comes along, we re-think players and their importance.
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Russell in his prime would've owned Kareem just like he owned Wilt
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lmao
Let's just run over some things he's said this postseason
Predicted Lakers over Spurs in 6
Said that the key to that series was the Kawhi vs Pau matchup. (????)
Said that the only way the Spurs can win against the Grizz is if they score more than 30 points a quarter.
If the Grizz want to win, they have to pick up their pace, because clearly a up-tempo offense is what has been winning them games.
That's just during Spurs games. I'm sure there's other idiotic things he's said during other games as well. As long as I'm ranting, I might as well say ESPN needs to find a new NBA crew ASAP. Wilbon's ok, but he seems disinterested at times. Magic says nothing of value during anything, pulling stats and information out of his ass. I hate Jalen Rose's voice; I know that's a shitty reason to him but whatever. And Simmons. I like Simmons when he writes. He clearly has knowledge of the game, but I never see that. And the thing is he respects Jalen and Magic too much too call them out on any of their bullshit. Magic can say whatever the fuck he wants cause he's the greatest PG to ever play. And Jalen and Bill are friends from Grantland, so there's never any arguing between them.
And that's exactly what they need. Arguing. TNT works because Kenny,Chuck, and Shaq respect each other, but aren't afraid to call each other out or disagree with one another. And of course no one's better than Ernie.
TL;DR - Magic pulls things out of his ass, no one calls him out because he's Magic Johnson. And ESPN needs a new halftime/pregame crew
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1eqg1h/why_magic_johnson_is_the_worst_nba_analyst_on_tv/
Yea, after years of hating on the lakeshow, he tries to turn the tables by goin against the grain... Don't change a thing. Michael Cooper, James Worthy.. These are cats u can call laker loyalists.. Magic is an espn company-man with his own agendas, which he puts far before the lakers.
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Kobe is the greatest laker of all time and Magic is the greatest player of all time......go figure :laugh:
I feel comfortable saying Kobe's career on the Lakers is better than Magic on the Lakers. With that said, I have issues putting Kobe in an all time ranking with Magic, Jordan, Bird, Dr. J, Russell, Wilt and everyone else. I really haven't thought of where Kobe is all time, and his legacy is still being written. So I have no problem saying he might be the greatest Laker of all time. But greatest player of all time? Not yet. Don't even know where to rank him.
kobe passed dr. j long ago...dr. j is on the list of 2nd tier goats. lol@a laker fan having a "problem" with putting kobe on an all-time list with dr. j smfh
I didn't put Jordan in my top 25 until he retired, and I ain't ranking Kobe until he retires. It's not just Magic and Dr. J, but where does he rank with a guy with 11 rings, a guy better than him at his own position, a player from his team that had more triple doubles. I consider Kareem a better center than Bill Russell, but I rank Russell higher in my all time list because he just won. Before he was a Celtic, the Celtics sucked. After he left the Celtics, the Celtics sucked. So I have considered Russell a better player than Kareem because of his all around team game. But I have no doubt Kareem would kick Russell's ass in a game of one on one. So to add Kobe onto that list takes actual evaluation, at least for me. When someone new comes along, we re-think players and their importance.
Just sayin, if Kobe retired today, he's FAR ahead of Dr J lol
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Russell in his prime would've owned Kareem just like he owned Wilt
lmao
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Kobe is the greatest laker of all time and Magic is the greatest player of all time......go figure :laugh:
I feel comfortable saying Kobe's career on the Lakers is better than Magic on the Lakers. With that said, I have issues putting Kobe in an all time ranking with Magic, Jordan, Bird, Dr. J, Russell, Wilt and everyone else. I really haven't thought of where Kobe is all time, and his legacy is still being written. So I have no problem saying he might be the greatest Laker of all time. But greatest player of all time? Not yet. Don't even know where to rank him.
kobe passed dr. j long ago...dr. j is on the list of 2nd tier goats. lol@a laker fan having a "problem" with putting kobe on an all-time list with dr. j smfh
I didn't put Jordan in my top 25 until he retired, and I ain't ranking Kobe until he retires. It's not just Magic and Dr. J, but where does he rank with a guy with 11 rings, a guy better than him at his own position, a player from his team that had more triple doubles. I consider Kareem a better center than Bill Russell, but I rank Russell higher in my all time list because he just won. Before he was a Celtic, the Celtics sucked. After he left the Celtics, the Celtics sucked. So I have considered Russell a better player than Kareem because of his all around team game. But I have no doubt Kareem would kick Russell's ass in a game of one on one. So to add Kobe onto that list takes actual evaluation, at least for me. When someone new comes along, we re-think players and their importance.
Just sayin, if Kobe retired today, he's FAR ahead of Dr J lol
Maybe, but it's not just if he's ahead of Dr. J, but what was his impact. I think you can rank Dr. J higher than he should be because he changed the game. Elgin Baylor doesn't get enough credit because not enough game film exist on him, but he changed the game and he should forever be a top 10 player. Kobe was good, but did he change the game. We know Kobe will be top 10, but is he top 5? Top 3? Is he better than Magic as a player? Bird? Russell? Jordan? I don't know these answers yet. I know he's a better LAKER than Magic. He had a longer career, beat the Celtics as well and did as much to spread the Laker brand worldwide like Magic did. But is a better PLAYER? That's different. I'm not sure yet. You can't just say, Kobe is better than Magic, Dr. J, Russell. Not yet at least. Not until the book is done being written and we see were he finally lays. We've see Jordan old, we've seen Magic comeback and play well after contacting HIV, we've seen Bird fall to his back injury. Were do we see Kobe and how he comes back from injury. Looks great so far, but just exactly how great well he still be. If Kobe comes back and becomes old Kobe, or old man Kobe, well also be part of his legacy. I can't put him anywhere yet. Even ahead of Dr. J. Dr. J changed the game, he fathered Michael Jordan. And until Kobe's book is done being written, he can't be above anyone on this list.
I'll throw you a bone though, I will put Kobe over Mark Madson. I feel confident enough that Kobe's career will be looked at as superior to Madson.
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i stopped reading at "maybe"
sadly enough, it was ur opening word
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i stopped reading at "maybe"
sadly enough, it was ur opening word
Because you are going blind?
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blinded by the smiiightttt
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blinded by the smiiightttt
You know, a little bit of herbal medicine will clear that right up. If you know what I mean. 8)
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u should smoke a blunt of og and rethink whether u truly believe kobe is not a whole lot greater than dr. j, or if ur sayin it just to say it.
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NIK is so retarded.
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NIK is so retarded.
lol more napolean dynamitesque quotes...this aint tha g-spot. we lookin for substance round these parts. if u cant provide that, u better off postin somewhere where u possess enough knowledge to speak on the actual topics. we already got our neighborhood troll in hack. unless u willin to go back and forth and ATTEMPT to make points, ur posts here are useless, young elton.
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u should smoke a blunt of og and rethink whether u truly believe kobe is not a whole lot greater than dr. j, or if ur sayin it just to say it.
Not actually saying Dr. J is better than Kobe. I am saying that I wouldn't even think about it until Kobe is retired. I did the same with Jordan, and like you being a Kobe stan, Jordan stans jumped all over me saying, Well Jordan is the greatest... blah, blah, blah. I told them straight up, until Jordan is done, I wouldn't even think about him being the greatest. But in 1997, I was comfortable saying he was better than Jack Haley.
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LOL @ substance. You get owned here on a daily basis with other people's substance and just ramble and twist words and contradict yourself along the way to attempt to save face. You're like an immature little girl.
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LOL @ substance. You get owned here on a daily basis with other people's substance and just ramble and twist words and contradict yourself along the way to attempt to save face. You're like an immature little girl.
Where did I get owned? Sounds like ur just butthurt over some other shit to me lol..
Or do u also think Dr J is higher on an all-time list than Kobe?
U tryin too hard, and in turn end up shittin in ur own mouth. Fall back.
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u should smoke a blunt of og and rethink whether u truly believe kobe is not a whole lot greater than dr. j, or if ur sayin it just to say it.
Not actually saying Dr. J is better than Kobe. I am saying that I wouldn't even think about it until Kobe is retired. I did the same with Jordan, and like you being a Kobe stan, Jordan stans jumped all over me saying, Well Jordan is the greatest... blah, blah, blah. I told them straight up, until Jordan is done, I wouldn't even think about him being the greatest. But in 1997, I was comfortable saying he was better than Jack Haley.
Oh ok..so u just need to find a better way to articulate ur thoughts.. Got ya
lol it's all good, I got what u were sayin... But dr j belongs on the 2nd tier of greats, either way.
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Kobe is just lucky Dr. J played in the ABA for all those years
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Kobe is just lucky Dr. J played in the ABA for all those years
When we mention greats, we count their ABA careers as well. I think being the face of the ABA actually added to his legacy, if anything.