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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Sir Petey on September 26, 2013, 11:22:26 AM
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i think for his work on scarfaces diary and untouchable alone that should put him on the level of an elite producer. alot of ppl knock him for his work with daz and his persona he displayed on dpg as a mod lol he was banning ppl etc but that has no bearing on his work as a producer. through the years i dont think i really knew how much of mike deans music i was listening to until he got with daz and i took notice to his name.
i thought he was just a mixer for rap alot didnt know he reads music plays mad instruments and does multi genre shit.
he put out his boy sherms album called sherm smoke and that things was a fucking disaster...i mean a really droll album. anyways whats yalls view point on mike dean? he used to a have a section at my old forum he ran around the time him and kanye were doing the glow in the dark tour and weve conversed recently in emails and im thinking about trying to get him to contribute to a site or blog or something. probably take the idea to my dudes at TSS or something.
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under-rated as hell for The Diary and Untouchable alone
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mike dean is a legend and I would say he's top ten or eleven.
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Personally I wouldn't call him a legend but he's one of the only big name producers I hear about still innovating and keeping a balance of artistic integrity and hit maker
Talented all rounder who's staying fresh even after years in the game
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Personally I wouldn't call him a legend but he's one of the only big name producers I hear about still innovating and keeping a balance of artistic integrity and hit maker
Talented all rounder who's staying fresh even after years in the game
Real talk Bloc
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Personally I wouldn't call him a legend but he's one of the only big name producers I hear about still innovating and keeping a balance of artistic integrity and hit maker
Talented all rounder who's staying fresh even after years in the game
big name ? he isn't know outside rap circles, even some rap fans don't know who he is, just the fact that petey who is a knowledgeable rap fan and has been for decades didn't really know of his contributions until his work with Daz (i.e. way past his prime) speaks volumes. dude is criminally low key despite having a monster résumé. a big name producer is Cool & Dre, Just Blaze, RZA, Mannie Fresh or the trackmasters but not fucking mike dean lol.
to me he qualifies as a legend for his extensive body of work over two decades and also the fact that he helped pioneer the dirty south genre, his contributions on seminal and classic albums by the likes of Scarface and all the rap a lot acts (big mike, fifth ward boys, blac monks, 3-2, pimp c, menace clan), and even today's productions for Kanye West (Devil in a New Dress is a "mini-masterpiece" ;)) not only that he's also an accomplished musician and the guy has a crazy catalogue.
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id been very familiar with him through out the rap a lot cat a log but i thought he was just a inhouse engineer type dude...the first time i really started to check for him though was way before daz it was on the beat mary jane...that beat imo is one of the top ten beats ever made in this genre EVER. i thought it was very wierd that dude was so interactive on dpg as he used to be....i assumed even on dilinger and young gotti he was still doing more of an engineer type role as at this time i actually believed daz was a somewhat competent producer come to find out dean was actually the heart of that albums whole sound hes like the gangsta rap rick rubin or some shit.
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Regional Legend. In the South, off the top of my head, he's Top 5.
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id been very familiar with him through out the rap a lot cat a log but i thought he was just a inhouse engineer type dude...the first time i really started to check for him though was way before daz it was on the beat mary jane...that beat imo is one of the top ten beats ever made in this genre EVER. i thought it was very wierd that dude was so interactive on dpg as he used to be....i assumed even on dilinger and young gotti he was still doing more of an engineer type role as at this time i actually believed daz was a somewhat competent producer come to find out dean was actually the heart of that albums whole sound hes like the gangsta rap rick rubin or some shit.
yeah man that's not a knock on you, that just shows how discreet mike dean is
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Personally I wouldn't call him a legend but he's one of the only big name producers I hear about still innovating and keeping a balance of artistic integrity and hit maker
Talented all rounder who's staying fresh even after years in the game
big name ? he isn't know outside rap circles, even some rap fans don't know who he is, just the fact that petey who is a knowledgeable rap fan and has been for decades didn't really know of his contributions until his work with Daz (i.e. way past his prime) speaks volumes. dude is criminally low key despite having a monster résumé. a big name producer is Cool & Dre, Just Blaze, RZA, Mannie Fresh or the trackmasters but not fucking mike dean lol.
to me he qualifies as a legend for his extensive body of work over two decades and also the fact that he helped pioneer the dirty south genre, his contributions on seminal and classic albums by the likes of Scarface and all the rap a lot acts (big mike, fifth ward boys, blac monks, 3-2, pimp c, menace clan), and even today's productions for Kanye West (Devil in a New Dress is a "mini-masterpiece" ;)) not only that he's also an accomplished musician and the guy has a crazy catalogue.
LMAO at your over the top response :)
I meant 'big name', as opposed to 'no name' producer. And I'm talking about to people who actually read the credits on albums aka music nerds
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Mike Dean should not even be on any "greatest" list. Unless it is a list for "greatest assholes" of rap music, for him joking about stealing reals and shit from Death Row. Wish Suge would have beat his ass for that. Who is Mike Dean to steal from Death Row?
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Mike Dean should not even be on any "greatest" list. Unless it is a list for "greatest assholes" of rap music, for him joking about stealing reals and shit from Death Row. Wish Suge would have beat his ass for that. Who is Mike Dean to steal from Death Row?
Eat a big bowl of dick, nigga
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hes like the gangsta rap rick rubin or some shit.
there u go
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should be pretty high
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Bloc goin over niggaz heads
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LMAO at your over the top response :)
I meant 'big name', as opposed to 'no name' producer. And I'm talking about to people who actually read the credits on albums aka music nerds
fair enough my lord
Mike Dean should not even be on any "greatest" list. Unless it is a list for "greatest assholes" of rap music, for him joking about stealing reals and shit from Death Row. Wish Suge would have beat his ass for that. Who is Mike Dean to steal from Death Row?
that doesn't have to do anything with music, we're not judging artists' characters, it doesn't matter whether they're stand up guys or complete assholes, we're judging artists' contributions to a genre. Suge seems to be way more of a shady character than Mike Dean, based on the account of a lot of people, and Suge isn't a musician to begin with, I'm not gonna lose sleep cause Mike Dean stole reels from him (reels of artists who were complicit of the stealing, i.e. Daz, so in a sense this isn't really stealing, that's like stealing a book that you wrote from a publisher) so I'm gonna quote you on that
This is what I hate in hip-hop these days. That you have to "respect" someone on account of their "success". That's the problem these days and that's why Jay-Z gets so much love because everyone "respects" him for how much money and success he's made.
This is art, is it not? Are we not fans of the art? If he is the CEO and a business major then I will respect him for his success as a business man. But if you are a mutherfucking rap artist and your making shit that I don't feel then why do I have to respect you because of your "hustle". This concept has fucked up hip-hop.
you said it yourself, are we not fans of the art ? why does it matter that Mike Dean is a thief if he's a dope ass producer. ? it ain't like rap music is full of stand up guys lol.
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He is in my top 10
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He is in my top 10
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LMAO at your over the top response :)
I meant 'big name', as opposed to 'no name' producer. And I'm talking about to people who actually read the credits on albums aka music nerds
fair enough my lord
Mike Dean should not even be on any "greatest" list. Unless it is a list for "greatest assholes" of rap music, for him joking about stealing reals and shit from Death Row. Wish Suge would have beat his ass for that. Who is Mike Dean to steal from Death Row?
that doesn't have to do anything with music, we're not judging artists' characters, it doesn't matter whether they're stand up guys or complete assholes, we're judging artists' contributions to a genre. Suge seems to be way more of a shady character than Mike Dean, based on the account of a lot of people, and Suge isn't a musician to begin with, I'm not gonna lose sleep cause Mike Dean stole reels from him (reels of artists who were complicit of the stealing, i.e. Daz, so in a sense this isn't really stealing, that's like stealing a book that you wrote from a publisher) so I'm gonna quote you on that
This is what I hate in hip-hop these days. That you have to "respect" someone on account of their "success". That's the problem these days and that's why Jay-Z gets so much love because everyone "respects" him for how much money and success he's made.
This is art, is it not? Are we not fans of the art? If he is the CEO and a business major then I will respect him for his success as a business man. But if you are a mutherfucking rap artist and your making shit that I don't feel then why do I have to respect you because of your "hustle". This concept has fucked up hip-hop.
you said it yourself, are we not fans of the art ? why does it matter that Mike Dean is a thief if he's a dope ass producer. ? it ain't like rap music is full of stand up guys lol.
real shit if were judging rappers on the merit of their charachter it would be easy to pretty much lable dr dre a compete piece of shit along time ago.
absentee father? check
history of women beating comparable to chris brown? check
but does his ability to punch a bitch in the face or raise his sons have anything to do with his abilty to produce a hit? not really unless hes in jail for it. and thats not likely.
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LMAO at your over the top response :)
I meant 'big name', as opposed to 'no name' producer. And I'm talking about to people who actually read the credits on albums aka music nerds
fair enough my lord
Mike Dean should not even be on any "greatest" list. Unless it is a list for "greatest assholes" of rap music, for him joking about stealing reals and shit from Death Row. Wish Suge would have beat his ass for that. Who is Mike Dean to steal from Death Row?
that doesn't have to do anything with music, we're not judging artists' characters, it doesn't matter whether they're stand up guys or complete assholes, we're judging artists' contributions to a genre. Suge seems to be way more of a shady character than Mike Dean, based on the account of a lot of people, and Suge isn't a musician to begin with, I'm not gonna lose sleep cause Mike Dean stole reels from him (reels of artists who were complicit of the stealing, i.e. Daz, so in a sense this isn't really stealing, that's like stealing a book that you wrote from a publisher) so I'm gonna quote you on that
This is what I hate in hip-hop these days. That you have to "respect" someone on account of their "success". That's the problem these days and that's why Jay-Z gets so much love because everyone "respects" him for how much money and success he's made.
This is art, is it not? Are we not fans of the art? If he is the CEO and a business major then I will respect him for his success as a business man. But if you are a mutherfucking rap artist and your making shit that I don't feel then why do I have to respect you because of your "hustle". This concept has fucked up hip-hop.
you said it yourself, are we not fans of the art ? why does it matter that Mike Dean is a thief if he's a dope ass producer. ? it ain't like rap music is full of stand up guys lol.
1rst off I don't consider Mike Dean as being dope, any damn way.
2nd of all, Suge would put his life on the line for his artists and he had their back to the fullest. He cared about the music, and the culture, the lifestyle, and he was one of the greatest advocates for it. By joking about stealing reals from Death Row Mike Dean has disgraced the legacy of West Coast hip-hop and I have zero respect for him and would love nothing more than to hear that Suge beat his ass for it.
As for daz, daz is actually dope, and daz helped build Death Row. Still though, I don't agree with Daz stealing reels from Death Row, just like I don't agree with Suge beefing with Snoop and Dre. But at the end of the day Suge and Daz are legends and Mike Dean is a parasite.
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mike dean is more of a legend than daz, dude is more versatile, has a bigger catalogue and contributed to more classic work than Daz. he also has more longevity than Daz in terms of quality. and i'm a daz fan, i'm just being objective.
suge may have put his life on the line he still was a asshole to most people, including his artists. he fucked them with shitty contracts and over their publishing rights. he embezzled them and that's why Daz won 25 mil in court against him. he bailed 2pac out but that was for his own interest and even 2pac, who was the star signee on the label, wasn't getting paid what he was owed on Death Row so you can imagine the rest. not to mention how he was involved in the sam sneed beatdown and shit, by all accounts, suge doesn't sound like a class act, to say the least. now i don't really care about that because i don't idolize dude, nor do i demonize him, i'm just barely summing up what he's, among other things, known for.
you just seem mad at mike dean for other reasons than music, and you seem to sleep on his discography cause dude has shitloads of classics under his belt, starting with producing Scarface & 2pac's smile... i mean mike dean may not be a class act but he got shit done music wise and he's put a lot of work in music wise.
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U LOST ME ON HIM BEING MORE OF A LEGEND THAN DAZ
DAZ HAS PUT OUT AND BEEN A MAJOR PART OF CLASSIC ALBUMS...SO HAS MIKE DEAN, BUT DAZ HAS BEEN WAY MORE IN THE FOREFRONT WIT IT. DAZ IS MORE OF A LEGEND BASED ON "DOGG FOOD" ALONE.
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mike dean is more of a legend than daz
"2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted" >>>> Mike Dean's whole career
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U LOST ME ON HIM BEING MORE OF A LEGEND THAN DAZ
DAZ HAS PUT OUT AND BEEN A MAJOR PART OF CLASSIC ALBUMS...SO HAS MIKE DEAN, BUT DAZ HAS BEEN WAY MORE IN THE FOREFRONT WIT IT. DAZ IS MORE OF A LEGEND BASED ON "DOGG FOOD" ALONE.
you're talking in terms of visibility and reputation, i'm talking in terms of catalogue, longevity and actual productions. daz is a dope beatmaker (most of the time ghostproduced by soopafly or co produced by soopafly, ivan johnson, blaqthoven or mike dean), mike dean is a full fledged musician, engineer and producer and hence more versatile. i don't think we can rate daz higher just cause he produced dogg food, cause mike dean produced most of the Diary and the Untouchable (not to mention his involvement in shitloads of rap a lot albums which were greatly produced), and I love dogg food to death but i'd say the diary is more of a hip hop classic than dogg food even though dogg food is among my favorite albums. plus mike dean's prime has lasted longer than daz's
so, if we check the criteria
longevity : mike dean > daz
versatility : mike dean > daz
catalogue : mike dean > daz (mike dean has a lot more dope shit)
visibility : mike dean < daz
reputation : mike dean < daz (that's mainly cause daz reaped a lot of credit he didn't fully deserve though, how many people know soopafly co-produced all his songs an all eyez on me and that dre ghostproduced songs like what would you do, respect and so many others ?)
quality : mike dean = daz (i both love their music and i think both were craftsmen in classic, seminal records).
overall, imo, mike dean > daz, this might not be a popular idea round here but i explained my reasons
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U LOST ME ON HIM BEING MORE OF A LEGEND THAN DAZ
DAZ HAS PUT OUT AND BEEN A MAJOR PART OF CLASSIC ALBUMS...SO HAS MIKE DEAN, BUT DAZ HAS BEEN WAY MORE IN THE FOREFRONT WIT IT. DAZ IS MORE OF A LEGEND BASED ON "DOGG FOOD" ALONE.
you're talking in terms of visibility and reputation, i'm talking in terms of catalogue, longevity and actual productions. daz is a dope beatmaker (most of the time ghostproduced by soopafly or co produced by soopafly, ivan johnson, blaqthoven or mike dean), mike dean is a full fledged musician, engineer and producer and hence more versatile. i don't think we can rate daz higher just cause he produced dogg food, cause mike dean produced most of the Diary and the Untouchable (not to mention his involvement in shitloads of rap a lot albums which were greatly produced), and I love dogg food to death but i'd say the diary is more of a hip hop classic than dogg food even though dogg food is among my favorite albums. plus mike dean's prime has lasted longer than daz's
so, if we check the criteria
longevity : mike dean > daz
versatility : mike dean > daz
catalogue : mike dean > daz (mike dean has a lot more dope shit)
visibility : mike dean < daz
reputation : mike dean < daz (that's mainly cause daz reaped a lot of credit he didn't fully deserve though, how many people know soopafly co-produced all his songs an all eyez on me and that dre ghostproduced songs like what would you do, respect and so many others ?)
quality : mike dean = daz (i both love their music and i think both were craftsmen in classic, seminal records).
overall, imo, mike dean > daz, this might not be a popular idea round here but i explained my reasons
claims of ghost-production are retarded, cuz neither of us know who did what. daz could be a mini-dre for all we know..but i can tell u one thing for sure, daz played a major role in producing many classics. and on top of that, he not only produced "dogg food" but also rapped 50% of the album, which is a top 5 album in west coast rap history (and i'd rate it higher than "the diary", based on personal preference...both classics, tho)...that right there is more than enough to cement his legend. and thats without mentioning his solo career.
there are a lot of full fledged musicians out there who are more musical than daz, but still aint comin close to bein a legend. bein a legend doesnt always have to do with how good or skilled u are.. mufuckaz out there leading entire orchestras and dont even have a record deal.
mike dean is dope....but i dont think he's a legend. i think he's a great producer who produced great music. i think west coast rap would be a lot different without daz than dirty south rap would be without mike dean.
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you mofos are crazy daz might have had a couple of seconds of fame but daz would trade in his doggystyle records charm for even a tenth of deans capabilities.
dean knows that studio from every angle from the engineering to the crafting of the beat to the mixing and mastering daz can hardly run a drum machine, daz cant even hook up the very equipment he uses lol. he knows shit about mixing and levels etc and these are all things hes admitted he pulled off a few slick records during the 90s because he had the dr staff to tighten it up but nothing daz does solo now has that signature sound which liets you know the sound you all love and jock isnt even daz's
yall wc heads be goin way over the top with your admiration for daz. hes litterally one of the luckiest ppl in the game. snoop left deathrow with out a dollar to his name and had to start from scratch with master p. daz said fuck dignity and loyalty lol im gonna ride this deathrow thing out for a while and see where it takes me. from what ive heard hes burnt most of the bridges hes crossed fromdre to suge and dean to jt the bigga figga hes the wc gucci mane.
nothing hes done post dillenger and gotty is worth a fuck and you know thats real talk.
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you mofos are crazy daz might have had a couple of seconds of fame but daz would trade in his doggystyle records charm for even a tenth of deans capabilities.
dean knows that studio from every angle from the engineering to the crafting of the beat to the mixing and mastering daz can hardly run a drum machine, daz cant even hook up the very equipment he uses lol. he knows shit about mixing and levels etc and these are all things hes admitted he pulled off a few slick records during the 90s because he had the dr staff to tighten it up but nothing daz does solo now has that signature sound which liets you know the sound you all love and jock isnt even daz's
yall wc heads be goin way over the top with your admiration for daz. hes litterally one of the luckiest ppl in the game. snoop left deathrow with out a dollar to his name and had to start from scratch with master p. daz said fuck dignity and loyalty lol im gonna ride this deathrow thing out for a while and see where it takes me. from what ive heard hes burnt most of the bridges hes crossed fromdre to suge and dean to jt the bigga figga hes the wc gucci mane.
nothing hes done post dillenger and gotty is worth a fuck and you know thats real talk.
UR HEAVILY UNDERRATING DAZ
post D&YG=This Is the Life I Lead, Who Ride Wit Us Compilations, I Got Love in These Streetz, D&YG2, Dogg Chit all went hard
MIKE DEAN IS MORE TALENTED, DAZ IS MORE LEGENDARY...WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE WHO WAS BEHIND DAZ'S TOP-OF-THE-LINE PRODUCTIONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DAZ WAS THE MAN CREDITED AND THOSE PRODUCTIONS STILL GOES ON HIS RESUME. EITHER WAY, DAZ WAS A SOUGHT AFTER NAME DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE WEST COAST, AND THE WORK HE'S DONE ON CLASSICS IS ENOUGH TO CONSIDER HIM A WEST COAST LEGEND....TO PLACE HIM IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS GUCCI MANE IS JUST WRONG, CUD
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Mike Dean is top 10 for sure. Without him the melodic, bluesy guitars, pianos and organs we associate with a lot of southern hip hop wouldn't have been prevalent.
This is just off of wikipedia so it might not be as comprehensive as his overall career, but look at how many albums he contributed to listed here. The man is responsible for a lot of the funk that we associate with south and west coast style rap.
3-2 - Wicked Buddah Baby
3X Krazy - Stackin' Chips
5th Ward Boyz - Ghetto Dope
5th Ward Boyz - Gangsta Funk
5th Ward Boyz - Rated G
A-G-2-A-Ke - Mil-Ticket
Apawk - Awaken
Big Mello - Wegonefunkwichamind
Big Mike - Somethin' Serious
Big Mike - Still Serious
Big Syke - Big Syke
Blac Monks - Secrets of the Hidden Temple
Bushwick Bill - Little Big Man
C-Bo - Enemy of the State
Daz Dillinger - This Is The Life I Lead
Devin the Dude - The Dude
Devin the Dude - Just Tryin' ta Live
Do or Die - Picture This
Do or Die - Headz Or Tailz
Tha Dogg Pound - Dillinger & Young Gotti
E-40 - Grit & Grind
Facemob - The Other Side Of The Law
Ganksta N-I-P - Psychic Thoughts
Ganksta N-I-P - Psychotic Genius
Ganksta N-I-P - Interview with a Killa
Geto Boys - The Resurrection
Geto Boys - The Foundation
G.O.O.D. Music - Cruel Summer
Hussein Fatal - Fatal
Jamal - Last Chance, No Breaks
Jay-Z - Magna Carta... Holy Grail
Juvenile - Reality Check
Kanye West - Graduation
Kanye West - 808's and Heartbreak
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Kanye West & Jay-Z - Watch the Throne
Kanye West - Yeezus
Kastro & E.D.I. - Blood Brothers
Kid Cudi - Man On The Moon II: The Legend Of Mr. Rager
King Tee - Thy Kingdom Come
Menace Clan - Da Hood
Mike Jones - The Voice
Outlawz - Ride Wit Us Or Collide Wit Us
Oz (soundtrack)
Odd Squad - Fadanuf Fa Erybody!!
Pimp C - Sweet James Jones Stories
Pimp C - Pimpalation
Scarface - Last of a Dying Breed
Scarface - The Diary
Scarface -The Untouchable
Scarface - Made
Scarface - The Fix
Seagram - Souls on Ice
Shyne - Godfather Buried Alive
UGK - Too Hard to Swallow
UGK - UGK 4 Life
Willie D - I'm Goin' Out Lika Soldier
Yukmouth - Thugged Out: The Albulation
Yukmouth - Thug Lord: The New Testament
Yukmouth - Godzilla
Young Noble - Noble Justice
Z-Ro - The Life of Joseph W. McVey
Z-Ro - Let the Truth Be Told
Z-Ro - I'm Still Livin'
Z-Ro - Heroin
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UR HEAVILY UNDERRATING DAZ
post D&YG=This Is the Life I Lead, Who Ride Wit Us Compilations, I Got Love in These Streetz, D&YG2, Dogg Chit all went hard
MIKE DEAN IS MORE TALENTED, DAZ IS MORE LEGENDARY...WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE WHO WAS BEHIND DAZ'S TOP-OF-THE-LINE PRODUCTIONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DAZ WAS THE MAN CREDITED AND THOSE PRODUCTIONS STILL GOES ON HIS RESUME. EITHER WAY, DAZ WAS A SOUGHT AFTER NAME DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE WEST COAST, AND THE WORK HE'S DONE ON CLASSICS IS ENOUGH TO CONSIDER HIM A WEST COAST LEGEND....TO PLACE HIM IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS GUCCI MANE IS JUST WRONG, CUD
That's up for debate. I think Daz has had his hand in quite a few top projects in Hip Hip history, but Mike Dean was a sound for an entire Region. Look at his catalog just from Rap-A-Lot.
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no matching him up with gucci is totally onpoint if u were at gangstaville you would understand more why. but in some ways thats not a bad comparison. gucci pays out his own pocket for almost everything as does daz. i respect that. hes also in the passed been prone to going off on one (more then weed) and airing out wild shit and making up stories like stabbing suge in the neck with a screwdriver etc. and fucking rappers wives on line. i think guccis a southern legend so its not like me comparing these as a knock it just seems like one because you prolly dont fuk with gucci, im saying at one point daz was the gucci mane of this shit....talking super wreckless while churning out a shit ton of hitt or miss projects while concentrating on holding down their region.
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no matching him up with gucci is totally onpoint if u were at gangstaville you would understand more why. but in some ways thats not a bad comparison. gucci pays out his own pocket for almost everything as does daz. i respect that. hes also in the passed been prone to going off on one (more then weed) and airing out wild shit and making up stories like stabbing suge in the neck with a screwdriver etc. and fucking rappers wives on line. i think guccis a southern legend so its not like me comparing these as a knock it just seems like one because you prolly dont fuk with gucci, im saying at one point daz was the gucci mane of this shit....talking super wreckless while churning out a shit ton of hitt or miss projects while concentrating on holding down their region.
MAYBE PERSONALITY-WISE, BUT RESUME-WISE, IT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD COMPARISON
DAZ HAS BEEN N INTEGRAL PART OF A GOOD PORTION OF THE QUALITY WEST COAST MUSIC IN THE 90S..DONT REALLY THINK I CAN SAY THE SAME FOR GUCCI
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no matching him up with gucci is totally onpoint if u were at gangstaville you would understand more why. but in some ways thats not a bad comparison. gucci pays out his own pocket for almost everything as does daz. i respect that. hes also in the passed been prone to going off on one (more then weed) and airing out wild shit and making up stories like stabbing suge in the neck with a screwdriver etc. and fucking rappers wives on line. i think guccis a southern legend so its not like me comparing these as a knock it just seems like one because you prolly dont fuk with gucci, im saying at one point daz was the gucci mane of this shit....talking super wreckless while churning out a shit ton of hitt or miss projects while concentrating on holding down their region.
MAYBE PERSONALITY-WISE, BUT RESUME-WISE, IT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD COMPARISON
DAZ HAS BEEN N INTEGRAL PART OF A GOOD PORTION OF THE QUALITY WEST COAST MUSIC IN THE 90S..DONT REALLY THINK I CAN SAY THE SAME FOR GUCCI
dont be an uncle rico...you gotta move with the times and understand as sad as this sounds to kids just now getting there cherry popped gucci is closest thing they have to pac. this is another generations golden age of hip hop believe it or not. as sad as it is.
why in the fuck would gucci be a part of the early 90s legacy dude was barely a teenager. has he been an integral part of the souths rise to prominance? hell yes.
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Daz and Gucci comparison is ON POINT... well said lol and that is no diss
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no matching him up with gucci is totally onpoint if u were at gangstaville you would understand more why. but in some ways thats not a bad comparison. gucci pays out his own pocket for almost everything as does daz. i respect that. hes also in the passed been prone to going off on one (more then weed) and airing out wild shit and making up stories like stabbing suge in the neck with a screwdriver etc. and fucking rappers wives on line. i think guccis a southern legend so its not like me comparing these as a knock it just seems like one because you prolly dont fuk with gucci, im saying at one point daz was the gucci mane of this shit....talking super wreckless while churning out a shit ton of hitt or miss projects while concentrating on holding down their region.
MAYBE PERSONALITY-WISE, BUT RESUME-WISE, IT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD COMPARISON
DAZ HAS BEEN N INTEGRAL PART OF A GOOD PORTION OF THE QUALITY WEST COAST MUSIC IN THE 90S..DONT REALLY THINK I CAN SAY THE SAME FOR GUCCI
dont be an uncle rico...you gotta move with the times and understand as sad as this sounds to kids just now getting there cherry popped gucci is closest thing they have to pac. this is another generations golden age of hip hop believe it or not. as sad as it is.
why in the fuck would gucci be a part of the early 90s legacy dude was barely a teenager. has he been an integral part of the souths rise to prominance? hell yes.
show me some quality work gucci has that is on par with or even anywhere close to daz's best work and i'll stop
not sayin there aint acts from this generation that can compare to daz in his prime....gucci just aint one of em
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musically you obviously can't compare the two but they've both put in equal work in the game as far as their catalogs go and they are exactly alike in terms of personality and how they handle "beef"
Gucci might even have more music out than Daz as a whole at this point, dude dropped 5 albums and 5 mixtapes this year alone
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U LOST ME ON HIM BEING MORE OF A LEGEND THAN DAZ
DAZ HAS PUT OUT AND BEEN A MAJOR PART OF CLASSIC ALBUMS...SO HAS MIKE DEAN, BUT DAZ HAS BEEN WAY MORE IN THE FOREFRONT WIT IT. DAZ IS MORE OF A LEGEND BASED ON "DOGG FOOD" ALONE.
you're talking in terms of visibility and reputation, i'm talking in terms of catalogue, longevity and actual productions. daz is a dope beatmaker (most of the time ghostproduced by soopafly or co produced by soopafly, ivan johnson, blaqthoven or mike dean), mike dean is a full fledged musician, engineer and producer and hence more versatile. i don't think we can rate daz higher just cause he produced dogg food, cause mike dean produced most of the Diary and the Untouchable (not to mention his involvement in shitloads of rap a lot albums which were greatly produced), and I love dogg food to death but i'd say the diary is more of a hip hop classic than dogg food even though dogg food is among my favorite albums. plus mike dean's prime has lasted longer than daz's
so, if we check the criteria
longevity : mike dean > daz
versatility : mike dean > daz
catalogue : mike dean > daz (mike dean has a lot more dope shit)
visibility : mike dean < daz
reputation : mike dean < daz (that's mainly cause daz reaped a lot of credit he didn't fully deserve though, how many people know soopafly co-produced all his songs an all eyez on me and that dre ghostproduced songs like what would you do, respect and so many others ?)
quality : mike dean = daz (i both love their music and i think both were craftsmen in classic, seminal records).
overall, imo, mike dean > daz, this might not be a popular idea round here but i explained my reasons
claims of ghost-production are retarded, cuz neither of us know who did what. daz could be a mini-dre for all we know..but i can tell u one thing for sure, daz played a major role in producing many classics. and on top of that, he not only produced "dogg food" but also rapped 50% of the album, which is a top 5 album in west coast rap history (and i'd rate it higher than "the diary", based on personal preference...both classics, tho)...that right there is more than enough to cement his legend. and thats without mentioning his solo career.
there are a lot of full fledged musicians out there who are more musical than daz, but still aint comin close to bein a legend. bein a legend doesnt always have to do with how good or skilled u are.. mufuckaz out there leading entire orchestras and dont even have a record deal.
mike dean is dope....but i dont think he's a legend. i think he's a great producer who produced great music. i think west coast rap would be a lot different without daz than dirty south rap would be without mike dean.
bullshit!!!! daz has been fronting all these years this nigga cannot play keys or ANYTHING. he can barely scratch on the ones and twos i seen it before lol.
daz got his name by being in the right place at the right time. he walked in can am tracked a beat and told barney rubble and them niggas play it like this "hums baseline" then do it like this "points at soopafly to play keys" asks carl butch smalls to put some jingly percussion on it and it was close enough to the deathrow sound that once they had the ingineers work their magic on it etc it was enough for us to embrace it. it dont make songs like 21 jump street or playa patnas any worse but yall need to understand daz took credit on what was actually a big team effort.
...and guess where he learned that. its an effective way to get alot of music done at one time but the tiny nuances in a mike dean production make all the difference to me. when u hear the songs daz did on 2002 and compare them to raw where soopafly and dean and everyone had hands on you can tell he cant produce for shit. if he was really that good why hasnt he been able to keep his name out there on the production tip? he knew he should quit while he was ahead. all ive ever known daz to be able to do is pound out some decent drums and play a mean ass simple bassline on a keyboard
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whatever he did, whether u say he stole them beats or not, it stili goes on his resume n thats all we can really judge him on...u cant tell me how 2 win
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you mofos are crazy daz might have had a couple of seconds of fame but daz would trade in his doggystyle records charm for even a tenth of deans capabilities.
dean knows that studio from every angle from the engineering to the crafting of the beat to the mixing and mastering daz can hardly run a drum machine, daz cant even hook up the very equipment he uses lol. he knows shit about mixing and levels etc and these are all things hes admitted he pulled off a few slick records during the 90s because he had the dr staff to tighten it up but nothing daz does solo now has that signature sound which liets you know the sound you all love and jock isnt even daz's
yall wc heads be goin way over the top with your admiration for daz. hes litterally one of the luckiest ppl in the game. snoop left deathrow with out a dollar to his name and had to start from scratch with master p. daz said fuck dignity and loyalty lol im gonna ride this deathrow thing out for a while and see where it takes me. from what ive heard hes burnt most of the bridges hes crossed fromdre to suge and dean to jt the bigga figga hes the wc gucci mane.
nothing hes done post dillenger and gotty is worth a fuck and you know thats real talk.
WC heads go way over the top with their admiration for everything..
Don't mean Daz can't be a producer just like Dre. At the helm of a team. Daz had a signature sound and still has, just his team/instrument set/budget/studio has changed. Not saying his artists integrity ain't changed tho
I'll hook a vid a bit later with one of the musicians talking bout how Daz and Snoop made the magic happen back in the day
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whatever he did, whether u say he stole them beats or not, it stili goes on his resume n thats all we can really judge him on...u cant tell me how 2 win
what is dazs signature sound...an amalgamation of what warren g and quik and dre was doing?
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whatever he did, whether u say he stole them beats or not, it stili goes on his resume n thats all we can really judge him on...u cant tell me how 2 win
what is dazs signature sound...an amalgamation of what warren g and quik and dre was doing?
exactly...a more gangsta version of that.
if u wanna know what signature daz sound is witout the co-production, check beats like "fresh" and "cwalk" by kurupt. simple, but effective.....cuts like "the ultimate come-up", thats signature daz. when i heard "my life" by TI, i could tell it was daz right off the bat....u gotta give credit where it's due mayn
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whatever he did, whether u say he stole them beats or not, it stili goes on his resume n thats all we can really judge him on...u cant tell me how 2 win
what is dazs signature sound...an amalgamation of what warren g and quik and dre was doing?
exactly...a more gangsta version of that.
if u wanna know what signature daz sound is witout the co-production, check beats like "fresh" and "cwalk" by kurupt. simple, but effective.....cuts like "the ultimate come-up", thats signature daz. when i heard "my life" by TI, i could tell it was daz right off the bat....u gotta give credit where it's due mayn
my life id wager was more shorty b then daz....id put my last blunt on that as well as c walk being a soopafly production.
when its daz by himself it just dont sound like anything worth remembering. i feel shitty about it too....as a young buck i idolized his beats the first time i ever got studio access i was trying to lay down dazish beats with the moog synth and shit but as i got older i realized that sound was really more like the sound of the studio daz was working out of and the session players he had access too.
we both know his shit will NEVER in a million years sound as dynamic as it used to....unless you get barbey rubble and butch smalls n them in there its gonna be poop. everytime.
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whatever he did, whether u say he stole them beats or not, it stili goes on his resume n thats all we can really judge him on...u cant tell me how 2 win
what is dazs signature sound...an amalgamation of what warren g and quik and dre was doing?
exactly...a more gangsta version of that.
if u wanna know what signature daz sound is witout the co-production, check beats like "fresh" and "cwalk" by kurupt. simple, but effective.....cuts like "the ultimate come-up", thats signature daz. when i heard "my life" by TI, i could tell it was daz right off the bat....u gotta give credit where it's due mayn
my life id wager was more shorty b then daz....id put my last blunt on that as well as c walk being a soopafly production.
when its daz by himself it just dont sound like anything worth remembering. i feel shitty about it too....as a young buck i idolized his beats the first time i ever got studio access i was trying to lay down dazish beats with the moog synth and shit but as i got older i realized that sound was really more like the sound of the studio daz was working out of and the session players he had access too.
we both know his shit will NEVER in a million years sound as dynamic as it used to....unless you get barbey rubble and butch smalls n them in there its gonna be poop. everytime.
it'll never sound the same cuz he dont got that death row budget....million dollar equipment wit musicians out the ass on payroll..but when it comes down to it, daz do got a signature sound and theres a reason his name is on all those productions. he wasnt just sittin around watching soopafly like u makin it seem LOL... shit, one of the stigmas in west coast hip-hop back in the day was that he helped ghost-produced a good portion of "doggystyle"...while i do doubt that, i have no doubts that he did put in work on the production end. is he a musical genius? no...but to discredit his resume (whether u believe it's his work or not) is wrong. his biggest flaw is that a lot of his current productions are emulations of that dirty south shit.. theyre not bad productions, but it's not the sound daz is best with. and he's producing less and less because theres really no need...nowadays, it's easier to just find a beat online from some random producer than it is to sit and make one. putting a project together without having to produce has to be 10 times easier than startin from scratch...i attribute that to laziness and lack of inspiration. but at the end of the day, gucci mane's resume ain't touchin daz's. if u take daz post "D&YG", you may have a case...but just the shit he did with death row, whether u think he was falsely credited or not, that shit is enough to make him a west coast legend.
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For u niggaz who don't believe Daz should get props
http://www.youtube.com/v/smfoebc6d9Q
Death Row stuff round 3:25
This is Wallie Waldman half of the headz here have never heard of
http://www.youtube.com/v/I7ElTKGjoJE
http://www.youtube.com/v/vpZGS3ZzBGw
http://www.youtube.com/v/UMds7GTjBW4
http://www.youtube.com/v/YEw7VCmQa10
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i personally like this version better
https://www.youtube.com/v/nPyEPO95fH4
one of my all-time r&b cuts
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whatever he did, whether u say he stole them beats or not, it stili goes on his resume n thats all we can really judge him on...u cant tell me how 2 win
what is dazs signature sound...an amalgamation of what warren g and quik and dre was doing?
exactly...a more gangsta version of that.
if u wanna know what signature daz sound is witout the co-production, check beats like "fresh" and "cwalk" by kurupt. simple, but effective.....cuts like "the ultimate come-up", thats signature daz. when i heard "my life" by TI, i could tell it was daz right off the bat....u gotta give credit where it's due mayn
my life id wager was more shorty b then daz....id put my last blunt on that as well as c walk being a soopafly production.
when its daz by himself it just dont sound like anything worth remembering. i feel shitty about it too....as a young buck i idolized his beats the first time i ever got studio access i was trying to lay down dazish beats with the moog synth and shit but as i got older i realized that sound was really more like the sound of the studio daz was working out of and the session players he had access too.
we both know his shit will NEVER in a million years sound as dynamic as it used to....unless you get barbey rubble and butch smalls n them in there its gonna be poop. everytime.
it'll never sound the same cuz he dont got that death row budget....million dollar equipment wit musicians out the ass on payroll..
and this my friend, brings us back to our original point....dean can get that clean epic big money sound with minimal studio equipment and no one else in that room but him and the nigga rocking in the mic.
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whatever he did, whether u say he stole them beats or not, it stili goes on his resume n thats all we can really judge him on...u cant tell me how 2 win
what is dazs signature sound...an amalgamation of what warren g and quik and dre was doing?
exactly...a more gangsta version of that.
if u wanna know what signature daz sound is witout the co-production, check beats like "fresh" and "cwalk" by kurupt. simple, but effective.....cuts like "the ultimate come-up", thats signature daz. when i heard "my life" by TI, i could tell it was daz right off the bat....u gotta give credit where it's due mayn
my life id wager was more shorty b then daz....id put my last blunt on that as well as c walk being a soopafly production.
when its daz by himself it just dont sound like anything worth remembering. i feel shitty about it too....as a young buck i idolized his beats the first time i ever got studio access i was trying to lay down dazish beats with the moog synth and shit but as i got older i realized that sound was really more like the sound of the studio daz was working out of and the session players he had access too.
we both know his shit will NEVER in a million years sound as dynamic as it used to....unless you get barbey rubble and butch smalls n them in there its gonna be poop. everytime.
it'll never sound the same cuz he dont got that death row budget....million dollar equipment wit musicians out the ass on payroll..
and this my friend, brings us back to our original point....dean can get that clean epic big money sound with minimal studio equipment and no one else in that room but him and the nigga rocking in the mic.
thats cool n all, but gimme a top-notch daz production from the death row era over a top-notch mike dean beat any day
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we still may have not even seen deans greatest work.
i dont think daz will ever top ambitions as a rider...WHICH i do actually believe he produced.
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Daz does have a signature sound, heavy bass with faint, eerie synth, like on My Life, Rat Tat Tat, It's Goin Down, Ambitionz Az A Ridah, but I don't think he's the creative force behind the beats, at the end of the day he should get a co-producer credit. as shorty b said in a dubcc interview.
The kind of producer Shorty B is, Shorty B don’t go out when the electricity do! Like once your drum machine cut off, then that’s it for you. Man, I’ma pick up a guitar, I can play the drums, or play anything else that make noise without no electricity I’ma play it and keep the party rockin’!! That’s a real producer! A cat who can keep the party rockin’ no matter what, electricity or not, all these cats are only as strong as their drum machines.
and that goes for producers like Mike Dean, Khayree, N.O. Joe, Mannie Fresh, Soopafly
Will B the video you say isn't really saying anything about Daz, if anything it validates Petey's thesis that Daz was only good for pounding out basic ass basslines and working the drum machine and letting the others do the rest and work their magic, that's really not a homage to Daz, he just mentions the guy.
thats cool n all, but gimme a top-notch daz production from the death row era over a top-notch mike dean beat any day
i understand that, but Mike Dean is still in his prime while Daz's prime lasted for 3 years, and hasn't come close since (even though i really like some of his recent stuff like Public Enemiez), and Mike Dean's stuff with Rap-a-Lot is really on par with Daz's Death Row music.
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To me it says even the most talented musicians can't make a hit 'genre' record like that without direction.
Even if you wanna chalk it down to luck, Daz laid the beats, and gave em the ideas and direction/told em what's sounding right. Made a jazz or rock musician deliver a Hiphop track