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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Don Seer on October 11, 2013, 03:29:14 PM

Title: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Don Seer on October 11, 2013, 03:29:14 PM

as the subject says.. all fixed..

 8)
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: EFFeX on October 11, 2013, 03:46:06 PM
I'm just happy to see you guys got it figured out, I feared it was the end! lol
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Don Seer on October 11, 2013, 03:59:16 PM
i did for a moment.. even had to use up the yearly call to Rud :)

basically dubcc currently runs on a 10 gig VPS.. I had a couple small sites on there with no much on and also a the site for a friends shop.
the server filled up somehow and even when i moved all the other sites to a new host i couldnt repair the database on the server like i've done in the past.

the database "messages" bit along is 2.15GB .. i managed to free about 1.5 gig.. but you need to match the size of the database to run a repair..

tues + weds night i was frantically trying to free space... i couldn't do anything last night.
this morning before work i downloaded it to my pc, used a thing called "WAMP" tonight to fix it, and upload it again (thank god for fibre!)


downsides: i still kinda have the same job i've had since '86 but  i can't do "dubcc" during work hours any more as we've moved to an open office, i can't post or fix anything during work hours like i used to

upsides: just over a year ago i moved to another town about 20 miles away from where i grew up and where i work (i live 1 mile from the sea now) got my own house with my g/f and i converted the garage. i've got a sanctuary. big tv/surround/computer/xbox/guitars.

long and short of it.. there are good some improvements to dubcc coming fairly soon but it won't be down for so long again.

btw ya'll know i dont check the site often.. i never got a single email about it? rud sent me a message and he said it had been down 3 days when he found out!



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Post by: EFFeX on October 11, 2013, 05:33:02 PM
I hear you, I understand other obligations come first sometimes.

It's a big undertaking, but you guys should try to upgrade the SMF in the future. Could solve some potential issues before they happen.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 11, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
wrong section, seer ;)



lol good shit, though...had cats hittin me up, askin me when it's comin back, like i had a godamn clue. u should be more active, if u even fux wit rap anymore.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Mr Wicked on October 12, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
thanks for the info, was wondering what happened with the forum
there should be a news on the main site, something like "We're working on the problem", next time
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Post by: aerroc on October 12, 2013, 10:47:42 AM
ooh shit where else can eazy e dr dre and other 90s washed up rappers can be relevant
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Post by: Will_B on October 12, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
ooh shit where else can eazy e dr dre and other 90s washed up rappers can be relevant


True nuff. I googled some things to see if some of the recent stuff (like Loc'z & Dogg'z mixtape) are being discussed elsewhere. Seems only a couple French sites and 2Pac forums lol
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: aerroc on October 12, 2013, 11:38:41 AM
ooh shit where else can eazy e dr dre and other 90s washed up rappers can be relevant


True nuff. I googled some things to see if some of the recent stuff (like Loc'z & Dogg'z mixtape) are being discussed elsewhere. Seems only a couple French sites and 2Pac forums lol


its just sad the west is back there's some good talent out in the west now and people only care bout washed up 90s rappers
BTW how the fuck u managed to get yt and sound cloud to work on this washed up forum lol i can never  figure it out  :D
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Will_B on October 12, 2013, 11:41:59 AM
ooh shit where else can eazy e dr dre and other 90s washed up rappers can be relevant


True nuff. I googled some things to see if some of the recent stuff (like Loc'z & Dogg'z mixtape) are being discussed elsewhere. Seems only a couple French sites and 2Pac forums lol


its just sad the west is back there's some good talent out in the west now and people only care bout washed up 90s rappers
BTW how the fuck u managed to get yt and sound cloud to work on this washed up forum lol i can never  figure it out  :D

This is the MUTHAFUCCIN HUB of washed up rappers. But hell, where else can we read about them?

James Brown never stopped having a fanbase, years after he washed up btw (I know you know that tho) 8) 8)
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 12, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
REAL SPIT BOUT HAVIN UPDATES ON DUBCNN
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sir Petey on October 12, 2013, 12:17:20 PM
yall need new blood on the staff


i put that on crip.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on October 12, 2013, 01:30:09 PM
thanks for the info, was wondering what happened with the forum
there should be a news on the main site, something like "We're working on the problem", next time

Yeah, I was checking dubcnn for days wandering what was going on.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 12, 2013, 03:20:39 PM
yall need new blood on the staff


i put that on crip.


imagine if me, you, sikotic, black male and a couple others was runnin this shit......we'd be shittin on the coli
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sir Petey on October 12, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
if they just put one or two new niggas as new supermods it would improve greatly. someone with enough authority to say....maybe add a you tube attachment code?


there are enough "power users" here it wouldnt be hard to find. lol shit was broke for three days before they shot seer an email....u see why no ones in a hurry to do anything with this place?


if the community dont give a shit then why should the staff?
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 12, 2013, 04:36:27 PM
if they just put one or two new niggas as new supermods it would improve greatly. someone with enough authority to say....maybe add a you tube attachment code?


there are enough "power users" here it wouldnt be hard to find. lol shit was broke for three days before they shot seer an email....u see why no ones in a hurry to do anything with this place?


if the community dont give a shit then why should the staff?


the dubcc way... time, effort, dedication, and seniority come last. as long as u aint from cali, u have a good shot at becomin staff here. just ask black male (tuslic).



the people spoke long ago.....who u think listenin?
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sir Petey on October 12, 2013, 04:50:52 PM
how you feel about that nik? europes all up in your backyard fam... ;D



no homo


if canadians ever do a michigan hip hop site its going down.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Suga Foot on October 13, 2013, 08:01:54 PM

as the subject says.. all fixed..

 8)

 :raisetheroof:
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 13, 2013, 08:31:24 PM

as the subject says.. all fixed..

 8)

 :raisetheroof:


still makin beats?
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on October 13, 2013, 08:53:30 PM
THe Dubb is Back! Rejoice  8)

Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: doggfather on October 13, 2013, 11:24:43 PM
I'm just happy to see you guys got it figured out, I feared it was the end! lol

same here  :-X
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Fraxxx on October 14, 2013, 08:11:51 AM
thanks for the info, was wondering what happened with the forum
there should be a news on the main site, something like "We're working on the problem", next time

Would have been helpful.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: HighEyeCue on October 14, 2013, 07:03:54 PM
I'm just happy to see you guys got it figured out, I feared it was the end! lol

same here  :-X

yeah after a couple of days I thought so too
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 14, 2013, 08:00:17 PM
lol seer came 2 make this thread and dipped
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: O.G A.Geesta'z on October 14, 2013, 08:55:34 PM
i thought you died
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Don Seer on October 15, 2013, 03:03:01 AM
REAL SPIT BOUT HAVIN UPDATES ON DUBCNN

ya missed where i said this..

btw ya'll know i dont check the site often.. i never got a single email about it? rud sent me a message and he said it had been down 3 days when he found out!

once i was working on it i left messages when people tried to use the forum itself
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 15, 2013, 10:45:55 AM
REAL SPIT BOUT HAVIN UPDATES ON DUBCNN

ya missed where i said this..

btw ya'll know i dont check the site often.. i never got a single email about it? rud sent me a message and he said it had been down 3 days when he found out!

once i was working on it i left messages when people tried to use the forum itself



Naah I seen that I just think Rud or some1 else shoulda put an update on dubcnn as soon as it went down
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Don Seer on October 16, 2013, 02:09:22 AM
REAL SPIT BOUT HAVIN UPDATES ON DUBCNN

ya missed where i said this..

btw ya'll know i dont check the site often.. i never got a single email about it? rud sent me a message and he said it had been down 3 days when he found out!

once i was working on it i left messages when people tried to use the forum itself



Naah I seen that I just think Rud or some1 else shoulda put an update on dubcnn as soon as it went down

I see you're still as challenged as ever despite me repeating and quoting, I will type it in capitals so you understand.

WE CANT PUT IT ON DUBCNN WHEN WE DONT EVEN KNOW!

yes we could have after the fact, but rud found out 3 days after it went down and contacted me.


I made the forum error message better and was hoping to get it up almost instantly.. (normally it only takes a couple hours)
once that wasnt the case it was going to be "the next day".. and so on... 50% of the entire downtime we didn't even know it was down
and rest of it, we thought it was going to back up quickly so why bother?
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 16, 2013, 10:40:38 AM
REAL SPIT BOUT HAVIN UPDATES ON DUBCNN

ya missed where i said this..

btw ya'll know i dont check the site often.. i never got a single email about it? rud sent me a message and he said it had been down 3 days when he found out!

once i was working on it i left messages when people tried to use the forum itself



Naah I seen that I just think Rud or some1 else shoulda put an update on dubcnn as soon as it went down

I see you're still as challenged as ever despite me repeating and quoting, I will type it in capitals so you understand.

WE CANT PUT IT ON DUBCNN WHEN WE DONT EVEN KNOW!

yes we could have after the fact, but rud found out 3 days after it went down and contacted me.


I made the forum error message better and was hoping to get it up almost instantly.. (normally it only takes a couple hours)
once that wasnt the case it was going to be "the next day".. and so on... 50% of the entire downtime we didn't even know it was down
and rest of it, we thought it was going to back up quickly so why bother?



lol dont come at me like that, seer...pretty much everyone here agrees that the only thing challenged is the staff on this site. u still got sections up that have replies from 2007 on the front page and moderators who aint been active since 2006. see, i represent the people, seer. if there was a dubcc posters union, who u think would be the president? foreal, tho...while u been gone, without a clue as to what the fuck is happenin wit ur forum, i've been active, helpin this place remain relevant when its been on the brink of extinction... people been tryna get me to be admin so i can take care of the lack of maintenance and on-board staff this abandoned site has had to deal with over the last couple years.....those mods who aint been active since 2006 and dead forum sections have been brought up numerous times, and still, nothing has been done about it. before the registration required approval, we used to get hundreds of spambot threads that would stay on the front page for days at a time, because there are barely any active mods/admins.. the fact that it took some1 three days to find out the site was down is a problem in itrself.. and this been goin on for years. if i was admin here, it'd be a whole nother story, and u know that........


do like mj and take a look at the man in the mirror, bro. i'm only echoing what the people been sayin for the longest.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: O.G A.Geesta'z on October 16, 2013, 11:35:34 AM
idk about being an Admin Nik, maybe a mod in sports and entertainment like you use to be, but giving you banning power and power to delete threads and lock them... im not sure how i feel about that, i mean i dont think you'd do a bad job but i think we should all vote on who we want as a Global Mod, and aint nothing wrong with throwing your hat in there
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Okka on October 16, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
I think i'm the one who sent Rud the email about the forum being down.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 16, 2013, 12:30:00 PM
idk about being an Admin Nik, maybe a mod in sports and entertainment like you use to be, but giving you banning power and power to delete threads and lock them... im not sure how i feel about that, i mean i dont think you'd do a bad job but i think we should all vote on who we want as a Global Mod, and aint nothing wrong with throwing your hat in there

im already a mod in sports, wtf u talkin bout? lol fall back, young'n...foreal. u aint been here enough lately to echo what the regulars been sayin. go back and read the countless threads about this situation that have been made over the years....this site was valued in the hundreds of thousands at one point. best believe we'd still be where we were in 2006 if i was runnin shit. why? because i'd actually care to make this place thrive, i'd spend genuine time and effort runnin it, listenin to what the people want and i'd give them just that, hands-on, instead of ignoring the consumer and letting the site run itself for years at a time....you still on the wrong team, son


even your role-model sikotic thinks i should be admin..we know u love u some sikotic, ag, so why dont u listen to him?
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 16, 2013, 12:37:51 PM
and it aint just a global mod we need...it's an admin who actually cares about the site. some1 who's in control of deleting/merging sections, adding/removing mods- just running this place from the inside out. it's been lacking for years, and it's pretty evident by the major traffic decline. when nima, rud, seer were hands on, how was this place doin again? if they aint got the time to care, they gotta give some power to some1 who genuinely does.. thats all there is to it
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Post by: Okka on October 16, 2013, 12:42:23 PM
and it aint just a global mod we need...it's an admin who actually cares about the site. some1 who's in control of deleting/merging sections, adding/removing mods- just running this place from the inside out. it's been lacking for years, and it's pretty evident by the major traffic decline. when nima, rud, seer were hands on, how was this place doin again? if they aint got the time to care, they gotta give some power to some1 who genuinely does.. thats all there is to it

We're mergin' sections soon and gettin' rid of the admins who haven't been online in years.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 16, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
and it aint just a global mod we need...it's an admin who actually cares about the site. some1 who's in control of deleting/merging sections, adding/removing mods- just running this place from the inside out. it's been lacking for years, and it's pretty evident by the major traffic decline. when nima, rud, seer were hands on, how was this place doin again? if they aint got the time to care, they gotta give some power to some1 who genuinely does.. thats all there is to it

We're mergin' sections soon and gettin' rid of the admins who haven't been online in years.


nice..


im not comin from a bad place, tho. trust me...when i say this board's been long overdue for some genuine maintenance, it comes from good and i only say it because i truly care about the well being of this site...whether we like it or not, a lot of the west coast rap scene and its relevance depends on this site, and if i could do anything to help (which i coulda done long ago), then i'd like to do it....i truly feel this site would be a cash cow right now if i'da been running things or at least given some power to make real moves over these past couple years. if i woulda been a friendly mirc user from overseas back in '02, i would be rud or nima with a caring mentality, and this place would currently be thriving more than thecoli..real spit. if only i wasnt such a lil punk 2 every1 when i was younger, things would be much different round here.
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Post by: Don Seer on October 16, 2013, 01:09:13 PM

i appreciate that you care, and have comments, but even before i 'went ghost' you had what i now understand to be a sense of entitlement.


shit seems calmer here these days?

tbh.. you really know what bugged me out?  spending more time policing KAIN than doing anything else.

shit pissed me off so much i didn't care to be here anymore..

people wouldnt let me block signups for good til he got the message.... i wish i'd stuck to my guns now.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 16, 2013, 01:38:52 PM

i appreciate that you care, and have comments, but even before i 'went ghost' you had what i now understand to be a sense of entitlement.


shit seems calmer here these days?

tbh.. you really know what bugged me out?  spending more time policing KAIN than doing anything else.

shit pissed me off so much i didn't care to be here anymore..

people wouldnt let me block signups for good til he got the message.... i wish i'd stuck to my guns now.



sense of entitlement? probably....cuz i do feel like i coulda been worth a lot more than a sports mod to this site lol.


but either way, u should come around more often. this site could use some hands-on administrating....badly
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Don Seer on October 16, 2013, 01:50:50 PM
i should be around more in the winter time (just starting here).. but in the summer i don't get into "here"

(here being the garage i converted into my 'man cave')
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: O.G A.Geesta'z on October 16, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
idk about being an Admin Nik, maybe a mod in sports and entertainment like you use to be, but giving you banning power and power to delete threads and lock them... im not sure how i feel about that, i mean i dont think you'd do a bad job but i think we should all vote on who we want as a Global Mod, and aint nothing wrong with throwing your hat in there

im already a mod in sports, wtf u talkin bout? lol fall back, young'n...foreal. u aint been here enough lately to echo what the regulars been sayin. go back and read the countless threads about this situation that have been made over the years....this site was valued in the hundreds of thousands at one point. best believe we'd still be where we were in 2006 if i was runnin shit. why? because i'd actually care to make this place thrive, i'd spend genuine time and effort runnin it, listenin to what the people want and i'd give them just that, hands-on, instead of ignoring the consumer and letting the site run itself for years at a time....you still on the wrong team, son


even your role-model sikotic thinks i should be admin..we know u love u some sikotic, ag, so why dont u listen to him?

see its shit like that , that makes you a fuckin faggot who doesnt deserve to run this forum, you got too much emotion into it, i cant even express my opinion without you attacking me and getting all defensive, if you run this forum and get the power ill delete my account and be gone from dubcc forever because no matter how hard you try to be the Jesus of this forum your not bro...

and dont be sending me gay ass PM's anymore telling me what "team" to play on, faggot
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 16, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
idk about being an Admin Nik, maybe a mod in sports and entertainment like you use to be, but giving you banning power and power to delete threads and lock them... im not sure how i feel about that, i mean i dont think you'd do a bad job but i think we should all vote on who we want as a Global Mod, and aint nothing wrong with throwing your hat in there

im already a mod in sports, wtf u talkin bout? lol fall back, young'n...foreal. u aint been here enough lately to echo what the regulars been sayin. go back and read the countless threads about this situation that have been made over the years....this site was valued in the hundreds of thousands at one point. best believe we'd still be where we were in 2006 if i was runnin shit. why? because i'd actually care to make this place thrive, i'd spend genuine time and effort runnin it, listenin to what the people want and i'd give them just that, hands-on, instead of ignoring the consumer and letting the site run itself for years at a time....you still on the wrong team, son


even your role-model sikotic thinks i should be admin..we know u love u some sikotic, ag, so why dont u listen to him?

see its shit like that , that makes you a fuckin faggot who doesnt deserve to run this forum, you got too much emotion into it, i cant even express my opinion without you attacking me and getting all defensive, if you run this forum and get the power ill delete my account and be gone from dubcc forever because no matter how hard you try to be the Jesus of this forum your not bro...

and dont be sending me gay ass PM's anymore telling me what "team" to play on, faggot


lmao looks like ur the one getting emotional.. I'm just stating facts. U said u don't know if u trust me banning people and deleting posts, which was pretty lame of U considering I guarantee I would make a great admin who did nothing but improve this place. But u don't care about this site, u been trashin this place for some time now, why would U even give a shit? Pretty much every1 who's not holdin a grudge over me from 2002 agrees that I shoulda been had more pull on this site for the longest, If only for the betterment of this place. I been a mod here for over a decade, how many complaints have u heard against me about "deleting posts"? And who are u kidding, no one gives a fuck if U delete ur account, u contribute absolutely nothing here lol  .. Foreal, tho, that was whack of u to say, either way.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: O.G A.Geesta'z on October 16, 2013, 03:27:44 PM
Says the guy who begged Doggy for his account info so he could delete and lock threads... Yeah right  ::)
And being an OG at this board and being here over a decade I don't have to contribute shit anymore
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Post by: Sccit on October 16, 2013, 03:30:13 PM
Says the guy who begged Doggy for his account info so he could delete and lock threads... Yeah right  ::)
And being an OG at this board and being here over a decade I don't have to contribute shit anymore

Yea threads with personal info and private pics of my family ... Great example
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Post by: Sir Petey on October 16, 2013, 03:58:06 PM
LMAO



SHIT GOT MAD REAL IN HERE YO

Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Morphine on October 17, 2013, 07:12:37 AM
intense like triple penetration
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Rud on October 19, 2013, 03:57:48 AM
thanks for the info, was wondering what happened with the forum
there should be a news on the main site, something like "We're working on the problem", next time

We opted to keep people updated via the Facebook and Twitter accounts, follow @Dubcnn on Twitter and DubCNN on Facebook...www.facebook.com/dubcnn
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Post by: Sir Petey on October 19, 2013, 11:04:15 AM
raise your hand if youve been here for more then five years and never knew dubcc had a twitter or fb  :-\
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Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on October 19, 2013, 11:22:56 AM
if canadians ever do a michigan hip hop site its going down.
Hmm...I've got to hit up some people. ;)
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on October 19, 2013, 11:24:32 AM
We need a contingency plan in case dubcc ever goes down permanently.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Sccit on October 19, 2013, 12:38:23 PM
raise your hand if youve been here for more then five years and never knew dubcc had a twitter or fb  :-\


LOL
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Post by: Sikotic™ on October 19, 2013, 09:40:24 PM
Oh wow, shit did get real in here.
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Fraxxx on October 20, 2013, 04:12:40 AM
raise your hand if youve been here for more then five years and never knew dubcc had a twitter or fb  :-\


LOL
Title: Re: sorry bout the downtime.. all fixed now!
Post by: Al Bundy on October 21, 2013, 10:00:32 PM
it felt a little weird not having dubcc... even after not visiting much for the past few months. good to see it back up.

i like the idea of some active admins but i don't think nik would be a good fit with his history on this site. you need someone impartial to run this board.
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Post by: Mr Wicked on October 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
thanks for the info, was wondering what happened with the forum
there should be a news on the main site, something like "We're working on the problem", next time

We opted to keep people updated via the Facebook and Twitter accounts, follow @Dubcnn on Twitter and DubCNN on Facebook...www.facebook.com/dubcnn

you did post it there? I must have missed it
I checked your twitter and fb at some point but didn't find anything
I just thought it was strange when y'all posted some news on dubcnn.com and no word about the forum
I'm sure for most people the first thing to go to when dubcc.com is down would be dubcnn.com
so a message there would be most effective
anyway, it's just a suggestion for the future

Rud, you should REALLY consider getting an additional admin/super mod for the forum
If you and the other admins have no time to do it you should get someone that you trust to do it
Better administration of this board would certainly help the forum and subsequently the main site too
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Post by: O.G A.Geesta'z on October 22, 2013, 10:06:02 PM
first place i went to was dubcnn