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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: MOBNigga06 on October 29, 2013, 08:21:27 PM
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I remember a lot of people on the internet used to think that Pac was a bit crazy and delusional in accusing Biggie/Puffy of setting him up in 1994. But it seems that he was right all along: I was just reading up on Pac news from the last few years and noticed that this dude Dexter Isaacs confessed to shooting Pac in 94, in a letter where he implies that Puff was involved and he calls Biggie his friend. Can there really be any doubt, then, that Pac was justified in riding on Biggie?
Here's the link: http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blog/show?id=784568%3ABlogPost%3A25660551&commentId=784568%3AComment%3A25670863&xg_source=activity
The best that could be said for Biggie and Puffy is that they might not have ordered the hit. But they knew the guys who did it, that much is certain. As Pac said in interviews, Biggie should have at least let Pac know who robbed him. And if you're the king of New York, you should know about a crime taking place in the building you're recording at.
So, after all this time, the truth is out, Pac was justified as a motherfucker in riding on Biggie and Bad Boy. And these bitch ass niggas are going to be dissed for centuries, as long as Pac's music is played.
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Puffy and biggie knew yes, and Biggie even tried to pre-warn 2Pac about hanging around certain individuals, but 2Pac being the egotistical person he was ignored any advice thinking he could march around anywhere, do what he likes, and when he was shot, he was annoyed they didn't "ride" for him ::)
Puffy and Biggie weren't "gangsters". They weren't even street certified enough to arrange "talks" between gangsters, so what did 2Pac want? They didn't snitch, but they did lie. Why? To protect themselves and their loved ones from real NY gangsters.
Although he had a right to be p!ssed off and angry, not everyone is a fearless hot head with a death wish so he was wrong to go at them because of that.
Besides, the hit was different
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Puffy and biggie knew yes, and Biggie even tried to pre-warn 2Pac about hanging around certain individuals, but 2Pac being the egotistical person he was ignored any advice thinking he could march around anywhere, do what he likes, and when he was shot, he was annoyed they didn't "ride" for him ::)
Puffy and Biggie weren't "gangsters". They weren't even street certified enough to arrange "talks" between gangsters, so what did 2Pac want? They didn't snitch, but they did lie. Why? To protect themselves and their loved ones from real NY gangsters.
Although he had a right to be p!ssed off and angry, not everyone is a fearless hot head with a death wish so he was wrong to go at them because of that.
Besides, the hit was different
But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
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Puffy and biggie knew yes, and Biggie even tried to pre-warn 2Pac about hanging around certain individuals, but 2Pac being the egotistical person he was ignored any advice thinking he could march around anywhere, do what he likes, and when he was shot, he was annoyed they didn't "ride" for him ::)
Puffy and Biggie weren't "gangsters". They weren't even street certified enough to arrange "talks" between gangsters, so what did 2Pac want? They didn't snitch, but they did lie. Why? To protect themselves and their loved ones from real NY gangsters.
Although he had a right to be p!ssed off and angry, not everyone is a fearless hot head with a death wish so he was wrong to go at them because of that.
Besides, the hit was different
But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
pac knew who shot him too he hung wit 'em ! him pointin' the finger at biggie and puff was some sucka shit though it's like the scene in Friday when deebo took red's chain and red got mad cause craig and smokey didn't help.
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Puffy and biggie knew yes, and Biggie even tried to pre-warn 2Pac about hanging around certain individuals, but 2Pac being the egotistical person he was ignored any advice thinking he could march around anywhere, do what he likes, and when he was shot, he was annoyed they didn't "ride" for him ::)
Puffy and Biggie weren't "gangsters". They weren't even street certified enough to arrange "talks" between gangsters, so what did 2Pac want? They didn't snitch, but they did lie. Why? To protect themselves and their loved ones from real NY gangsters.
Although he had a right to be p!ssed off and angry, not everyone is a fearless hot head with a death wish so he was wrong to go at them because of that.
Besides, the hit was different
But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
pac knew who shot him too he hung wit 'em ! him pointin' the finger at biggie and puff was some sucka shit though it's like the scene in Friday when deebo took red's chain and red got mad cause craig and smokey didn't help.
Nah, I think you're mistaken, Pac didn't know the shooters. If he knew them, he wouldn't have accused King Tut (falsely) of being one of the 94 shooters on Against All Odds. And Pac talks in an interview about how people in jail said to him: "You don't know? Biggie's homeboy shot you." So I doubt Pac knew the shooters. But Biggie clearly knew them.
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Puffy and biggie knew yes, and Biggie even tried to pre-warn 2Pac about hanging around certain individuals, but 2Pac being the egotistical person he was ignored any advice thinking he could march around anywhere, do what he likes, and when he was shot, he was annoyed they didn't "ride" for him ::)
Puffy and Biggie weren't "gangsters". They weren't even street certified enough to arrange "talks" between gangsters, so what did 2Pac want? They didn't snitch, but they did lie. Why? To protect themselves and their loved ones from real NY gangsters.
Although he had a right to be p!ssed off and angry, not everyone is a fearless hot head with a death wish so he was wrong to go at them because of that.
Besides, the hit was different
But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
pac knew who shot him too he hung wit 'em ! him pointin' the finger at biggie and puff was some sucka shit though it's like the scene in Friday when deebo took red's chain and red got mad cause craig and smokey didn't help.
Nah, I think you're mistaken, Pac didn't know the shooters. If he knew them, he wouldn't have accused King Tut (falsely) of being one of the 94 shooters on Against All Odds. And Pac talks in an interview about how people in jail said to him: "You don't know? Biggie's homeboy shot you." So I doubt Pac knew the shooters. But Biggie clearly knew them.
he knew them niggas why you think he put them in the song ? he was chillin' wit street niggas and whether he dealt wit 'em personally or not he definitely knew who they were. if you look at some of pac's interviews he always brought up how he sold 5-6 million cause him blamin' and dissin' bad boy was all hype and for controversy.
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But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
It didn't have anything to do with anyone from Bad Boy, it was because Pac was dissing those guys -- Jack and Jimmy, in particular. Not on wax, but he had made some comment in the Daily News (where he called Jack a "hanger-on") and supposedly at some clubs/parties in NY he was going to where he ignored them completely rather than saying what's up or at least acknowledging them. That wasn't Puff's doing... but that doesn't mean he wasn't aware of it either.
pac knew who shot him too he hung wit 'em ! him pointin' the finger at biggie and puff was some sucka shit though it's like the scene in Friday when deebo took red's chain and red got mad cause craig and smokey didn't help.
The fact that Pac let off of Biggie toward the end (but not Puffy) shows that Pac probably realized that he was blaming Biggie too much for something that didn't have much to do with him, as what Pac expected out of Biggie was basically just stuff that he expected to have happened in the aftermath of his shooting (i.e. finding out who shot him and at least letting him know what the issue was). Pac probably knew deep down that Biggie didn't set him up. But it was a pretty strategic move, in terms of getting the world's attention, by going at Biggie first, Puffy second and then the actual conspirators later, when everyone was already listening.
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But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
It didn't have anything to do with anyone from Bad Boy, it was because Pac was dissing those guys -- Jack and Jimmy, in particular. Not on wax, but he had made some comment in the Daily News (where he called Jack a "hanger-on") and supposedly at some clubs/parties in NY he was going to where he ignored them completely rather than saying what's up or at least acknowledging them. That wasn't Puff's doing... but that doesn't mean he wasn't aware of it either.
pac knew who shot him too he hung wit 'em ! him pointin' the finger at biggie and puff was some sucka shit though it's like the scene in Friday when deebo took red's chain and red got mad cause craig and smokey didn't help.
The fact that Pac let off of Biggie toward the end (but not Puffy) shows that Pac probably realized that he was blaming Biggie too much for something that didn't have much to do with him, as what Pac expected out of Biggie was basically just stuff that he expected to have happened in the aftermath of his shooting (i.e. finding out who shot him and at least letting him know what the issue was). Pac probably knew deep down that Biggie didn't set him up. But it was a pretty strategic move, in terms of getting the world's attention, by going at Biggie first, Puffy second and then the actual conspirators later, when everyone was already listening.
for a man that was so smart he's made some fucked up decisions..
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But Pac was 23-24 at that time, and hanging out with the wrong people yet still seeking their approval. He was bound to make some bad decisions.
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But Pac was 23-24 at that time,
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE WHOLE THREAD
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But Pac was 23-24 at that time, and hanging out with the wrong people yet still seeking their approval. He was bound to make some bad decisions.
end of thread :)
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bottom line: pac was innocent, puffy and biggie pulled no rank in NYC even though Ready to Die was probably double platnium by then lol
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But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
It didn't have anything to do with anyone from Bad Boy, it was because Pac was dissing those guys -- Jack and Jimmy, in particular. Not on wax, but he had made some comment in the Daily News (where he called Jack a "hanger-on") and supposedly at some clubs/parties in NY he was going to where he ignored them completely rather than saying what's up or at least acknowledging them. That wasn't Puff's doing... but that doesn't mean he wasn't aware of it either.
pac knew who shot him too he hung wit 'em ! him pointin' the finger at biggie and puff was some sucka shit though it's like the scene in Friday when deebo took red's chain and red got mad cause craig and smokey didn't help.
The fact that Pac let off of Biggie toward the end (but not Puffy) shows that Pac probably realized that he was blaming Biggie too much for something that didn't have much to do with him, as what Pac expected out of Biggie was basically just stuff that he expected to have happened in the aftermath of his shooting (i.e. finding out who shot him and at least letting him know what the issue was). Pac probably knew deep down that Biggie didn't set him up. But it was a pretty strategic move, in terms of getting the world's attention, by going at Biggie first, Puffy second and then the actual conspirators later, when everyone was already listening.
That's insightful. You might be right: deep down, Pac really blamed Puffy and Stretch. You know he had to have genuinely hated Stretch to diss the nigga after he died.
Also, in the 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted video, the actor playing Biggie says: "Don't shoot me, Pac! I'm just the rapper, man! It was Puff's idea!"
Against All Oddz might be the most revealing track as to Pac's attitude at the end of his life.
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Puffy and biggie knew yes, and Biggie even tried to pre-warn 2Pac about hanging around certain individuals, but 2Pac being the egotistical person he was ignored any advice thinking he could march around anywhere, do what he likes, and when he was shot, he was annoyed they didn't "ride" for him ::)
Puffy and Biggie weren't "gangsters". They weren't even street certified enough to arrange "talks" between gangsters, so what did 2Pac want? They didn't snitch, but they did lie. Why? To protect themselves and their loved ones from real NY gangsters.
Although he had a right to be p!ssed off and angry, not everyone is a fearless hot head with a death wish so he was wrong to go at them because of that.
Besides, the hit was different
But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
Homie, prior to this shooting even happen, go back to Marin City, Pac knew he had problems there, still showed up and had guns, at a family event, one of those guns killed a 5-6 yr old lil boy.
Pac knew he had problems in the jungles, his potnas told him that lived there, pac went anyway loaded him not listening a lil kid lost his life. reason why he ran back to new york, biggie know the game in new york now since pac been gone..
pac was broke, pac n bigge been thru it in the beginning when biggie wasnt on his feet, pac looked out for em, now since pac is back from cali, biggie turn to return the favor,
pac preached all the panther shit, but still had a nigga mentality and didnt use his head, ya homeboy know these niggas up to no good and tell u not to fuck with them constantly, but u addicted to the fast life, u do it anyway, then catch a rape case, everybody get off but you, u start talkin wreckless, they rob u,
why should biggie say anything when he didnt listen in the first place.
Bad boy didnt hate pac
Biggie couldnt stop shit either, it was above his head, biggie did what he shoulda did in the beginning, try and stop pac from messing with them cats before it even got to the rape case, but he didnt listen,
everytime pac got into some shit he would run, ran from the shit in the bay, ran from the shit he got caught up in new york.
when he got back to l.a, he should have stayed in a artist place. frank alexander should have kept him out that shit with trayvon n orlando, that wasnt pac battle to fight.
if u sit back and peep game you would see
pac had a bunch of (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X7Cn4Uwn3t0/TM9AHKfmWcI/AAAAAAAAAxM/LlxnRaxGys4/s1600/6.jpg)(http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/297239/297239_large.jpg)
q's and raheem's tryin keep him out of shit and being wreckless,
9 times out of 10 suge prolly saw pac as pawn to ride on puffy since big jake got killed, satisfied pac hunger for the fast life and put the battery in pac back to go at bad boy
instead of being a man goin to see biggie or set a meeting with unbias people involved who were friends of both, pac george bush biggie n bad boy before even finding proof.
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Puffy and biggie knew yes, and Biggie even tried to pre-warn 2Pac about hanging around certain individuals, but 2Pac being the egotistical person he was ignored any advice thinking he could march around anywhere, do what he likes, and when he was shot, he was annoyed they didn't "ride" for him ::)
Puffy and Biggie weren't "gangsters". They weren't even street certified enough to arrange "talks" between gangsters, so what did 2Pac want? They didn't snitch, but they did lie. Why? To protect themselves and their loved ones from real NY gangsters.
Although he had a right to be p!ssed off and angry, not everyone is a fearless hot head with a death wish so he was wrong to go at them because of that.
Besides, the hit was different
But if Biggie knew the guys who shot Pac, he could have told them: "Yo, when you come to Quad studios, don't hit up Pac, rob some other rich nigga." But he didn't. Jimmy Henchman paid these two guys specifically to shoot Pac - and why did he want to shoot Pac? Seems to me that someone at Bad Boy just hated Pac for whatever reasons - probably jealousy - and got Henchman to arrange to have Pac shot. Puffy is a bitch nigga.
Homie, prior to this shooting even happen, go back to Marin City, Pac knew he had problems there, still showed up and had guns, at a family event, one of those guns killed a 5-6 yr old lil boy.
Pac knew he had problems in the jungles, his potnas told him that lived there, pac went anyway loaded him not listening a lil kid lost his life. reason why he ran back to new york, biggie know the game in new york now since pac been gone..
pac was broke, pac n bigge been thru it in the beginning when biggie wasnt on his feet, pac looked out for em, now since pac is back from cali, biggie turn to return the favor,
pac preached all the panther shit, but still had a nigga mentality and didnt use his head, ya homeboy know these niggas up to no good and tell u not to fuck with them constantly, but u addicted to the fast life, u do it anyway, then catch a rape case, everybody get off but you, u start talkin wreckless, they rob u,
why should biggie say anything when he didnt listen in the first place.
Bad boy didnt hate pac
Biggie couldnt stop shit either, it was above his head, biggie did what he shoulda did in the beginning, try and stop pac from messing with them cats before it even got to the rape case, but he didnt listen,
everytime pac got into some shit he would run, ran from the shit in the bay, ran from the shit he got caught up in new york.
when he got back to l.a, he should have stayed in a artist place. frank alexander should have kept him out that shit with trayvon n orlando, that wasnt pac battle to fight.
if u sit back and peep game you would see
pac had a bunch of (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X7Cn4Uwn3t0/TM9AHKfmWcI/AAAAAAAAAxM/LlxnRaxGys4/s1600/6.jpg)(http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/297239/297239_large.jpg)
q's and raheem's tryin keep him out of shit and being wreckless,
9 times out of 10 suge prolly saw pac as pawn to ride on puffy since big jake got killed, satisfied pac hunger for the fast life and put the battery in pac back to go at bad boy
instead of being a man goin to see biggie or set a meeting with unbias people involved who were friends of both, pac george bush biggie n bad boy before even finding proof.
the realest shit you've ever posted !
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2Pac is my favorite artist, period.
but what 3rd Coast just said is pure truth
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It's just difficult because Pac moved around a lot and never really had a place that he always claimed as home. Born in NY, moved to Baltimore, then to the Bay Area, then to NY again for a bit then eventually in LA. It's hard to find some loyal people when you're always bouncing around like that, regardless of why. For someone like Snoop, Long Beach will always be his home, just like for someone like Suge, Compton will always be his home. And they both have homies back there who will have their back. Pac didn't exactly have that in any of those cities due to him always moving around throughout his life, outside of his family and someone like Big Syke or the Outlawz. It's like he was always the new kid in school.
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It's just difficult because Pac moved around a lot and never really had a place that he always claimed as home. Born in NY, moved to Baltimore, then to the Bay Area, then to NY again for a bit then eventually in LA. It's hard to find some loyal people when you're always bouncing around like that, regardless of why. For someone like Snoop, Long Beach will always be his home, just like for someone like Suge, Compton will always be his home. And they both have homies back there who will have their back. Pac didn't exactly have that in any of those cities due to him always moving around throughout his life, outside of his family and someone like Big Syke or the Outlawz. It's like he was always the new kid in school.
breh, i fuck with pac, everything you said was truth, bout the moving, but pac had niggas on his side that was trustworthy and stand up people
bay he had the marin city cats, pac was cocky in the beginning like all new yorkers are, but he humbled himself, shock g nem took him in, richie rich, e-40 and spice. especially spice, menace 2 society, spice was there, why did pac trip and spice didnt?
east coast, he had biggie and he had treach, treach was the east coast spice 1 to pac, when came to industry niggas, because if u listen to when both of speak on pac its deeper than most people.
everybody that has ever spoke on pac, said he changed after juice. Hell he could have moved to houston, face took him in down there
Pac talked like he was a leader, but his actions showed he was nothing more than a follower.
niggas talked him into a situation to where he caught a rap charge
niggas talked him into a situation that lead to somebody else telling him to leave his vest, that lead to him gettin killed.
remember this
[In 1992 at the ‘Truce Picnic’ in Cali, Tupac was instrumental in getting rival members of the Crips and Bloods to sign the Code Of THUG LIFE.
He and Mutulu Shakur had helped write up the ‘code’ , with help from other ‘og’s’.
The Code of THUG LIFE is listed here.It details do’s and don’ts for being a righteous thug and banger.
Code OF THUG LIFE:
1.All new Jacks to the game must know: a) He’s going to get rich. b) He’s going to jail. c) He’s going to die.
2.Crew Leaders: You are responsible for legal/financial payment commitments to crew members; your word must be your bond.
3.One crew’s rat is every crew’s rat. Rats are now like a disease; sooner or later we all get it; and they should too.
4.Crew leader and posse should select a diplomat, and should work ways to settle disputes. In unity, there is strength!
5.Car jacking in our Hood is against the Code.
6.Slinging to children is against the Code.
7.Having children slinging is against the Code.
8.No slinging in schools.
9.Since the rat Nicky Barnes opened his mouth; ratting has become accepted by some. We’re not having it.
10.Snitches is outta here.
11.The Boys in Blue don’t run nothing; we do. Control the Hood, and make it safe for squares.
12.No slinging to pregnant Sisters. That’s baby killing; that’s genocide!
13.Know your target, who’s the real enemy.
14.Civilians are not a target and should be spared.
15.Harm to children will not be forgiven.
16.Attacking someone’s home where their family is known to reside, must be altered or checked.
17.Senseless brutality and rape must stop.
18.Our old folks must not be abused.
19.Respect our Sisters. Respect our Brothers.
20.Sisters in the Life must be respected if they respect themselves.
21.Military disputes concerning business areas within the community must be handled professionally and not on the block.
22.No shooting at parties.
23.Concerts and parties are neutral territories; no shooting!
24.Know the Code; it’s for everyone.
25.Be a real ruff neck. Be down with the code of the Thug Life.
26.Protect yourself at all times..
http://mutulushakur.com/site/1992/08/code-of-thug-life/
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pac broke half of the code
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what did pac run from in the bay? ryan d? lmao that's just inconsistent as hell.
pac didn't even "run from" NY, he had the balls to see Nas there in his own city.
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what did pac run from in the bay? ryan d? lmao that's just inconsistent as hell.
pac didn't even "run from" NY, he had the balls to see Nas there in his own city.
when lil qa'id got killed from a gun that was registered to pac, niggas was ready to kill pac, it was a lil riot, same police pac was dissin on wax, saved his ass from gettin killed. multiple documentaries about pac has stated it got bad for pac, in marin city, his own potnas said it was like 3-5 yrs before they even saw him again,just from that incident
Breh u do know pac met nas twice, 1nce in vegas at the house of blues, pac caught nas out of pocket and pac was deep then and nas was by himself
and he hugged nas, and told em he was strictly goin at bad boy,
pac bein out of touch with the beefs in new york, heard the message from it was written, and thought it was about him, when nas n biggie was goin back n forth sublimnally since pac got out of jail, pac jumped the gun again and started dissin nas
pac met nas with over 100 jersey cats and a bunch of death row niggas, nas showed up with some cats fuck what snoop was talkin bout, he lie so much he sleep standin up, in fatals story he never mention snoop not 1nce.
fatal said pac was more mad the niggas fatal had than he was at nas, because pac couldnt get a word in, and it pissed pac off, they eventually chop it up alone, and that was that. and pac had planned on taking all nas disses off his albums, and nas was suppose to fly out to the west and fuck with pac, but jimmy iovine and steve stoute called nas and told em, pac had just got shot n might not make it.
wasnt no checkin or runnin up, nas didnt run or nothing,
remember pac said u aint shit without ya homeboys, everytime death row came to new york they came deep u got a entourage 200deep of course u gone have balls
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I remember a lot of people on the internet used to think that Pac was a bit crazy and delusional in accusing Biggie/Puffy of setting him up in 1994. But it seems that he was right all along: I was just reading up on Pac news from the last few years and noticed that this dude Dexter Isaacs confessed to shooting Pac in 94, in a letter where he implies that Puff was involved and he calls Biggie his friend. Can there really be any doubt, then, that Pac was justified in riding on Biggie?
Here's the link: http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blog/show?id=784568%3ABlogPost%3A25660551&commentId=784568%3AComment%3A25670863&xg_source=activity
The best that could be said for Biggie and Puffy is that they might not have ordered the hit. But they knew the guys who did it, that much is certain. As Pac said in interviews, Biggie should have at least let Pac know who robbed him. And if you're the king of New York, you should know about a crime taking place in the building you're recording at.
So, after all this time, the truth is out, Pac was justified as a motherfucker in riding on Biggie and Bad Boy. And these bitch ass niggas are going to be dissed for centuries, as long as Pac's music is played.
Nice thread... will comment later
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Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.
Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.
They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.
Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.
Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.
What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.
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Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.
Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.
They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.
Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.
Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.
What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.
truth.
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Kanye? Seriously? Not quite a good analogy. Kanye throws tantrums about not winning MTV awards (even though at the time he had a comfortable eight-figure fortune) and was stealing the mic and jacking the stage from a little white girl country singer while thinking he's the savior of music.
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Kanye? Seriously? Not quite a good analogy.
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Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.
Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.
They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.
Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.
Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.
What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.
On some real shit fuck them lame niggaz who you think are "heavy" in the game. Cause at the end of the day they all turn out to be snitches (Haitian Jack, Rosemond). To me if you are not trying to give back to your community you really ain't shit to me. Niggaz profiting off poisoning the hoods and flash a few jewels and niggaz always trying to put them on a pedastal. Thats that young shit. Truth be told, I don't think anyone in this thread knew 2pac to label him whatever but he definitely had the mindset to be much more positive at the end of the day to our people then the average person out here in the streets and I think people respect 2pac for that, his knowledge not because they think he's a "gangsta". He died young and had the POTENTIAL to be revolutionary and thats all you can ask for in a person. Who know's if he would have ever got into politics or died another death.
The positives about him where also reason for his demise. As usually it always is. He was always willing to put it on the line for the next nigga and seemed stand up in the actions that I've heard of. One thing I didn't like was him pulling Biggie into the situation and using that thang for leverage to sell records....now that was some HOE shit.
Nas let a bitch run him (Kelis) and everybody I ever heard challenge the lil nigga so it wouldn't surprise me if 2pac did punk him. That shit don't even matter though.
Comparing 2pac to Kanye is crazy! For one when 2pac died niggaz was still fucking with him and the only peeps that were tired of his antics were alot of weak ass New York rappers cause he was dissing them niggaz and they was never replying. Biggie dissed him after he died on some HOE shit but didn't say nothing while he was living.
At the end of the day 2pac had a lil bit of everything in him but the fact that everybody still keeping his name alive good or bad HE made an impact on society...this all with being raised with NO FATHER and a mama who was on crack at a portion on his life.
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For one when 2pac died niggaz was still fucking with him and the only peeps that were tired of his antics were alot of weak ass New York rappers cause he was dissing them niggaz and they was never replying. Biggie dissed him after he died on some HOE shit but didn't say nothing while he was living.
I'd say out of everyone Pac dissed, Jay-Z kept it the most real though. Not saying he was the most thorough, but he was a man about it and didn't throw any disses at Pac, unlike a lot of the others (as I don't really count that one line he said in I Love the Dough about "Watching Tyson/ Same night, same fight/ But one of us cats ain't playing right").
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Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.
Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.
They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.
Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.
Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.
What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.
On some real shit fuck them lame niggaz who you think are "heavy" in the game. Cause at the end of the day they all turn out to be snitches (Haitian Jack, Rosemond). To me if you are not trying to give back to your community you really ain't shit to me. Niggaz profiting off poisoning the hoods and flash a few jewels and niggaz always trying to put them on a pedastal. Thats that young shit. Truth be told, I don't think anyone in this thread knew 2pac to label him whatever but he definitely had the mindset to be much more positive at the end of the day to our people then the average person out here in the streets and I think people respect 2pac for that, his knowledge not because they think he's a "gangsta". He died young and had the POTENTIAL to be revolutionary and thats all you can ask for in a person. Who know's if he would have ever got into politics or died another death.
The positives about him where also reason for his demise. As usually it always is. He was always willing to put it on the line for the next nigga and seemed stand up in the actions that I've heard of. One thing I didn't like was him pulling Biggie into the situation and using that thang for leverage to sell records....now that was some HOE shit.
Nas let a bitch run him (Kelis) and everybody I ever heard challenge the lil nigga so it wouldn't surprise me if 2pac did punk him. That shit don't even matter though.
Comparing 2pac to Kanye is crazy! For one when 2pac died niggaz was still fucking with him and the only peeps that were tired of his antics were alot of weak ass New York rappers cause he was dissing them niggaz and they was never replying. Biggie dissed him after he died on some HOE shit but didn't say nothing while he was living.
At the end of the day 2pac had a lil bit of everything in him but the fact that everybody still keeping his name alive good or bad HE made an impact on society...this all with being raised with NO FATHER and a mama who was on crack at a portion on his life.
Yada yada yada..you sound so delusional with the shit you're saying though. Clearly you're seeing what you wanna see. So the only people tired of his antics were "weak ass NY"? And again, you clearly missed my point about the Kanye comparison. And you call yourself a rap fan but cant even take things in context? lmao, okay buddy.
Listen, im not spending my time reading your post trying to justify or make excuses just cuz you believe what you believe. 2pac is a myth nowadays. 2pac is a religion. Even if you tell people the truth or give them facts they still gonna believe what they gonna believe cuz thats the only thing youve seen or know. I never glorified that lifestyle nor does it impress me, but cats cant be out here screaming like 2pac was a thug or the lifestyle they think he lived & glorify & immate it then cry foul when criminal things happened to him by actual real life criminals. Snitches this, snitches that - my point was that they were heavy in the game compared to 2pac & that's a fact, Jack especially compared to Henchman. 2pac was NOT "a little bit of everything", 2pac was a smart dude who grew up like many people, especially minorities, in the world. Alot of pain, alot of suffering but he was never a thug.
That's my point. 2pac was an entertainer, period point plank. Not a revolutionary or anything. Im black & im saying this. Im sure he was a good hearted dude, but you can say the same about everybody else yet you guys are quick to judge & do the same things to artists nowadays that they used to do to 2pac or anybody else when they were alive. Keep it music.
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Kanye? Seriously? Not quite a good analogy. Kanye throws tantrums about not winning MTV awards (even though at the time he had a comfortable eight-figure fortune) and was stealing the mic and jacking the stage from a little white girl country singer while thinking he's the savior of music.
No matter what you say people get emotional before they get the point.
Did i compare their situation?
I meant in terms of the backlash they got for media attention. What do you mean? The backlash for 2pac was WORSE cuz he was in FIGHTS, ACCUSED of rape and all that..fuck you mean? They shitted on 2pac every week! That doesnt make 2pac "better" just cuz he was in the media for worse shit nor does it make him more "revolutionary". My point was that he wasnt this "beloved" figure he came after. My other point was that Kanye comes from a Panther lineage too.
Stop getting so damn emotional and get the context.
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No one's getting emotional. But saying Pac then was like Kanye today is some cornball shit. Again, it was a terrible analogy that wasn't applicable at all. Like I said, Kanye was just being an attention whore because he wants recognition, since to him, tens of millions of dollars isn't enough... he needs a plastic trophy from a TV channel to solidify his status. That's what women do. They can spend days at the gym to be fit, be in a nice dress and have their hair and makeup all perfect, but unless they hear it from someone else that they look pretty, they're going to start crying and be mad. That's Kanye.
No excuses -- Pac was wrong to target Biggie the way he did (though like I said, he changed his stance and stopped dissing Biggie but stayed on Puff and then talked about the street figures involved in his shooting), but it was just to bring attention to his cause (as Biggie still did have SOME connection with the incident since he was there -- it's not like Pac was dissing Heavy D or someone random with nothing to do with his predicament), and not because he was sad about not being on top of the rap game... though of course it resulted in a lot of media attention that without a doubt helped fuel sales. But really, how is it any different from any other hip-hop beef/battle? You could say that Nas used Jay-Z to jump start his career and sell Stillmatic with that buzz. But again, neither of them saw each other in the streets over that supposed beef, especially when Jigga was on Hot 97 basically crying because Ether was such a hard ass diss ("Did I deserve that?") and saying how Nas broke some rules of the street or whatever by telling Jigga to suck his dick... crying ass mothafuckas, mad because they got one-upped.
If anything, maybe you could've said Pac then was like 50 Cent when he was on his dissing shit... from dissing all the industry heads in How to Rob, to dissing Ja Rule and Murder Inc. all over GRODT (even though they weren't directly involved in him getting shot, though there were some associations with the people involved), to dissing Lil Wayne, frankly because Lil Wayne had taken over around that time (though he was right about Lil Wayne being a clown). 50 didn't really have beef with any of them, none of them were his actual shooters, yet he profited from it and propelled himself into the limelight. VERY similar situation, more so than fuckin Kanye. Fuck outta here with that haha.
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Kanye? Seriously? Not quite a good analogy. Kanye throws tantrums about not winning MTV awards (even though at the time he had a comfortable eight-figure fortune) and was stealing the mic and jacking the stage from a little white girl country singer while thinking he's the savior of music.
No matter what you say people get emotional before they get the point.
Did i compare their situation?
I meant in terms of the backlash they got for media attention. What do you mean? The backlash for 2pac was WORSE cuz he was in FIGHTS, ACCUSED of rape and all that..fuck you mean? They shitted on 2pac every week! That doesnt make 2pac "better" just cuz he was in the media for worse shit nor does it make him more "revolutionary". My point was that he wasnt this "beloved" figure he came after. My other point was that Kanye comes from a Panther lineage too.
Stop getting so damn emotional and get the context.
lol not that I disagree with you or anything but you're the one who seem to be getting emotional right here when peeps contradict your opinions (judging from how your react to contradictory opinions, how you call people, your sarscasm, the punctuations etc.)
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Kanye? Seriously? Not quite a good analogy. Kanye throws tantrums about not winning MTV awards (even though at the time he had a comfortable eight-figure fortune) and was stealing the mic and jacking the stage from a little white girl country singer while thinking he's the savior of music.
No matter what you say people get emotional before they get the point.
Did i compare their situation?
I meant in terms of the backlash they got for media attention. What do you mean? The backlash for 2pac was WORSE cuz he was in FIGHTS, ACCUSED of rape and all that..fuck you mean? They shitted on 2pac every week! That doesnt make 2pac "better" just cuz he was in the media for worse shit nor does it make him more "revolutionary". My point was that he wasnt this "beloved" figure he came after. My other point was that Kanye comes from a Panther lineage too.
Stop getting so damn emotional and get the context.
lol not that I disagree with you or anything but you're the one who seem to be getting emotional right here when peeps contradict your opinions (judging from how your react to contradictory opinions, how you call people, your sarscasm, the punctuations etc.)
the punctuations? lmao yeah okay..likes whos contradicting opinion? seems like i was the one who came to this thread with opinions & facts so who exactly would i be emotional at or for? please point that out cuz youre not making sense.
The reason i said emotional was cuz the people took me naming Kanye with 2pac as a direct comparison & just looking at the names instead of getting the context, which i stated in my previous post...soo bye bye with your theory!
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see, you just proved it again with your post. "whos contradicting opinion" well DeeezNuuuts83's, a level headed poster, and mastdark81's, who clearly didn't agree with you.
you're clearly emotional as you didn't acknowledge another opinion and immediately were on the defensive. cause you're mad people don't share your side of the story, just like you're mad when peeps shit on the game on this very board. nothing more nothing less. whether you back up your statement with facts is irrelevant, you can still be emotional when ppl disagree with you, which is exactly what you did with DeeezNuuuts83's response which was also backed with facts btw.
people took it as a direct comparison cause you directly compared them both, despite the "context" you're talking about.
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Listen, im not spending my time reading your post trying to justify or make excuses just cuz you believe what you believe. 2pac is a myth nowadays. 2pac is a religion. Even if you tell people the truth or give them facts they still gonna believe what they gonna believe cuz thats the only thing youve seen or know.
I would agree with this statement. People have built him up to mythical status. I consider him one of the all-time great artists but some of the fans go overboard in creating him to live up to their own image of things. He was human like everybody else. Had his strengths. Had his flaws. I never personally knew or met the man but his music and writing had a profound influence on me. I have the upmost respect for him as an artist but I don't treat everything he did or said publicly about people as the gospel by which those individuals should be judged.
I respect him for understanding that as a celebrity, his words carry power and trying very hard to use that power to do some positive things. Not just through charity work and such but challenging people to think about things that they maybe would not have thought twice about. If there's one thing that upsets me about certain members of his rabid fan base, it is their tendency to concentrate on the negative aspects of his life. For a long time, there would be large hordes of fans who would not support artists that Pac didn't like or dictate how "real" someone's music was by how much it resembled what Tupac did.
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Kanye? Seriously? Not quite a good analogy.
extremely bad analogy.
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That's my point. 2pac was an entertainer, period point plank. Not a revolutionary or anything. Im black & im saying this. Im sure he was a good hearted dude, but you can say the same about everybody else yet you guys are quick to judge & do the same things to artists nowadays that they used to do to 2pac or anybody else when they were alive. Keep it music.
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Well you talking about other people but don't lump me in there. 2pac is a man just like everybody else what I'm saying is he obviously had alot of power and influence (which alot of rappers these days carry as well). The difference was his mindset. Chuck D was also political but didn't have the mass power as a 2pac. 2pac had both...now no one knew where he was heading with it or could he ever get into revolutionary actions but there was a potential for it in him to do so. He died at a very young age 25. It was respectable for him to even have one eye on the community at that age but its common knowledge he was raised that way.
Before signing with Deathrow he had a small social movement going and got away from it. So yeah no one can pretty much say he was going to be Malcolm X or anything, especially into today's society but how can you bash individuals who put him on a status cause they think he could when there's some evidence that you could say speak for it?
Kanye West ain't did shit but self promotion from what I know and thats why I think (not sure can't speak for everyone) people have a distaste for the guy.
We all know 2pac wasn't a gangsta...most rappers aren't. But the people who do think he is aren't living that life anyway so their opinion do not matter.
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what did pac run from in the bay? ryan d? lmao that's just inconsistent as hell.
pac didn't even "run from" NY, he had the balls to see Nas there in his own city.
when lil qa'id got killed from a gun that was registered to pac, niggas was ready to kill pac, it was a lil riot, same police pac was dissin on wax, saved his ass from gettin killed. multiple documentaries about pac has stated it got bad for pac, in marin city, his own potnas said it was like 3-5 yrs before they even saw him again,just from that incident
Breh u do know pac met nas twice, 1nce in vegas at the house of blues, pac caught nas out of pocket and pac was deep then and nas was by himself
and he hugged nas, and told em he was strictly goin at bad boy,
pac bein out of touch with the beefs in new york, heard the message from it was written, and thought it was about him, when nas n biggie was goin back n forth sublimnally since pac got out of jail, pac jumped the gun again and started dissin nas
pac met nas with over 100 jersey cats and a bunch of death row niggas, nas showed up with some cats fuck what snoop was talkin bout, he lie so much he sleep standin up, in fatals story he never mention snoop not 1nce.
fatal said pac was more mad the niggas fatal had than he was at nas, because pac couldnt get a word in, and it pissed pac off, they eventually chop it up alone, and that was that. and pac had planned on taking all nas disses off his albums, and nas was suppose to fly out to the west and fuck with pac, but jimmy iovine and steve stoute called nas and told em, pac had just got shot n might not make it.
wasnt no checkin or runnin up, nas didnt run or nothing,
remember pac said u aint shit without ya homeboys, everytime death row came to new york they came deep u got a entourage 200deep of course u gone have balls
i bet nas n pac woulda eventually did a collab album
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see, you just proved it again with your post. "whos contradicting opinion" well DeeezNuuuts83's, a level headed poster, and mastdark81's, who clearly didn't agree with you.
you're clearly emotional as you didn't acknowledge another opinion and immediately were on the defensive. cause you're mad people don't share your side of the story, just like you're mad when peeps shit on the game on this very board. nothing more nothing less. whether you back up your statement with facts is irrelevant, you can still be emotional when ppl disagree with you, which is exactly what you did with DeeezNuuuts83's response which was also backed with facts btw.
people took it as a direct comparison cause you directly compared them both, despite the "context" you're talking about.
No, see you proved MY POINT. "despite the context", really? Are you really that dumb? So despite the context all that matters is the names? Lmao, then you wonder why i said "stop getting so emotional". That was my point. So fuck the context, just look at the names..Another thing, none of us personally knew them so yall just going off perception, again proving my point. But cuz Kanye has a perception, the same perception 2pac had btw!, its a bad analogy still? No reasoning, no comebacks..just "bad analogy" and im the emotional one? cuz of of my "punctuations & sarcasm"..lmao, okay..nice logic.
@: Jimmy H
Love homie. I hear you.
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see, you just proved it again with your post. "whos contradicting opinion" well DeeezNuuuts83's, a level headed poster, and mastdark81's, who clearly didn't agree with you.
you're clearly emotional as you didn't acknowledge another opinion and immediately were on the defensive. cause you're mad people don't share your side of the story, just like you're mad when peeps shit on the game on this very board. nothing more nothing less. whether you back up your statement with facts is irrelevant, you can still be emotional when ppl disagree with you, which is exactly what you did with DeeezNuuuts83's response which was also backed with facts btw.
people took it as a direct comparison cause you directly compared them both, despite the "context" you're talking about.
No, see you proved MY POINT. "despite the context", really? Are you really that dumb? So despite the context all that matters is the names? Lmao, then you wonder why i said "stop getting so emotional". That was my point. So fuck the context, just look at the names..Another thing, none of us personally knew them so yall just going off perception, again proving my point. But cuz Kanye has a perception, the same perception 2pac had btw!, its a bad analogy still? No reasoning, no comebacks..just "bad analogy" and im the emotional one? cuz of of my "punctuations & sarcasm"..lmao, okay..nice logic.
@: Jimmy H
Love homie. I hear you.
a comparison is a comparison my friend, just cause one doesn't agree with you, or doesn't understand him doesn't make him "emotional". just because they were (potentially) wrong in contradicting you doesn't make them emotional. they don't seem particularly upset, overwhelmed with hate & frustration or even pissed right here and some proceeded to give detailed and somewhat accurate responses. not bad eh ? we're all going off perception to an extent, that's why i said I didn't completely disagree with you in the first place.
idk about other people getting emotional, it really didn't seem that way, but that's my "perception" ;) it seems to me that yout got pissed and butthurt cuase they happened to ignore your main point or weren't agreeing to your version that you deem the truth. iit seems to me that when someone gets pissed and butthurt cause peeps don't understand the point they're trying to make that makes him emotional (you), and it seems to me that when that person then mocks other people's opinions and try to demean them because they contradict him that makes him even more emotional. but hey that's just me.
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see, you just proved it again with your post. "whos contradicting opinion" well DeeezNuuuts83's, a level headed poster, and mastdark81's, who clearly didn't agree with you.
you're clearly emotional as you didn't acknowledge another opinion and immediately were on the defensive. cause you're mad people don't share your side of the story, just like you're mad when peeps shit on the game on this very board. nothing more nothing less. whether you back up your statement with facts is irrelevant, you can still be emotional when ppl disagree with you, which is exactly what you did with DeeezNuuuts83's response which was also backed with facts btw.
people took it as a direct comparison cause you directly compared them both, despite the "context" you're talking about.
No, see you proved MY POINT. "despite the context", really? Are you really that dumb? So despite the context all that matters is the names? Lmao, then you wonder why i said "stop getting so emotional". That was my point. So fuck the context, just look at the names..Another thing, none of us personally knew them so yall just going off perception, again proving my point. But cuz Kanye has a perception, the same perception 2pac had btw!, its a bad analogy still? No reasoning, no comebacks..just "bad analogy" and im the emotional one? cuz of of my "punctuations & sarcasm"..lmao, okay..nice logic.
@: Jimmy H
Love homie. I hear you.
I actually did provide reasoning behind why I thought it was a bad analogy... and numerous people agreed. But for some reason, you either skipped it or it went over your head and you keep going to back to repeatedly calling everyone else emotional (particularly if they don't agree with you). Pot, meet kettle.
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For the posters saying that Tupac was a bitch and a fake...listen to this nigga's music, listen to his interviews...there can be no doubt that Tupac was one of the realest niggas ever to walk on this planet.
I always believed what Pac said about the 94 shooting, because when you listened to Puff/Biggie talk about the shooting, they sounded like they were lying. It was obvious. When Pac talks, it is obvious that this is a man speaking the truth.