West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: MOBNigga06 on November 16, 2013, 09:04:30 AM
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I've been out of the loop in the online world of Tupac and Biggie news, but I remember hearing that there was an interview where Lil Cease finally admitted that "Long Kiss Goodnight" was a diss on Tupac. It always seemed pretty obvious to me that the song is calling out Pac, with lines like: "When my men bust, you just, move with such stamina/Slugs missed ya, I ain't mad at ya." And he even says he's "aiming at these fuckin maniacs who put my name in raps." Then there's the "laugh now cry later" reference. And the line about "you hold your toast shakey" seems to reference Stretch's claim that Pac shot himself by accident at Quad studios.
The song was recorded at least three days after Pac died because it talks about Biggie's car accident. He also disses the nigga for being dead: "You're bleeding lovely, with your spirit above me/ or beneath me, your whole life, you lived sneaky."
Listening to Long Kiss Goodnight after all this time, I think Big went harder in this one song than Pac did in all of the many disses he recorded against Big. Most of the shit Pac said was pretty superficial: I fucked your bitch, you're wack, fat, cross-eyed, down syndrome, I let you sleep on my couch, etc. Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight.
And that line "my team in the marine blue six coupe" would seem to suggest that Biggie is taking credit for the Crips killing Pac. The car of the shooter wasn't blue, but Pac was killed by the Crips. I doubt that Biggie really ordered the hit, but why else mention Blue like that?
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I think you're talking bollocks. How is Biggie gonna take credit for a hit put out by Haitian Jack? 2Pac mentioning his begging bitches to Fuck Big was funny...
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Plus, when did dissing a deceased rapper become cool? Only dudes that went at 2Pac w good raps were Chino and Prodigy.
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Pac was at the top . I Don't See Biggie album in 96'.
Hit Em Up shook Biggie career at the time
Diss a nigga when he's dead? NOO! this is a bitch move
meanwhile ...
The Compton Bloods silenced Biggie's big mouth...
Pac and Big Jake rest in peace !!
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Listening to Long Kiss Goodnight after all this time, I think Big went harder in this one song than Pac did in all of the many disses he recorded against Big. Most of the shit Pac said was pretty superficial: I fucked your bitch, you're wack, fat, cross-eyed, down syndrome, I let you sleep on my couch, etc. Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight.
It's true 'Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight but 2 things to take into account;
1. All of 'Pac's disses were blatant, you could never suggest that he subliminally went at anyone, he really hated the way Bad Boy handled the situation and they DID do some sucker shit to him
2. Pac went to New York and was at Saturday Night Live, went to awards shows, etc, basically if anyone disagreed with or wanted to get at him, he was not hard to find. Biggie dissed him when he couldn't respond (by being dead).
I'm from the school of thought that both of these things mean something and they are the crux of this difference.
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http://youtu.be/DQeLBX3JP2Y
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I think this was always one of Big's problems and it may have led to his downfall. I don't think he had specifically anything to do with either of the Pac shootings, the fatal one or the one at Quad Studios, but his actions in how he handled them seemed to suggest that he didn't always know how to step when it came to these situations. I think Ice-T explained it best in one of the docs I saw when he stated that if he had problems with an artist out in New York and they got killed, he would have waited at least a full year before he tried going out there on a publicity tour and when he did, he would have made it point to disown any connection to the murder.
When I look at one of Big's last interviews that he did out there and his little throwaway freestyle is bars from "Long Kiss Goodnight", I really have to wonder what is going through not just his head but those of the people around him. Let's also put in perspective that he already had that situation in the Bay with some of E-40's people after he badmouthed 40 in the press. It kind of fits Puffy's M.O. to believe that because Pac and Suge were not around, that it was a comfortable scenario for them but whoever planned that LA trip made a bad call all around.
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most of NY cats aren't gangsta .
P.Diddy,Biggie,Nas,Jay-Z,50 Cent,Moby Deep and the list goes on ....
LOX Dudes, Cam'Ron and Kool G. Rap are examples of Real G's .
Many rappers in the West aren't gangstas but have a lot of respect and background on the streets.
Bloods and Crips working baby!!
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I think this was always one of Big's problems and it may have led to his downfall. I don't think he had specifically anything to do with either of the Pac shootings, the fatal one or the one at Quad Studios, but his actions in how he handled them seemed to suggest that he didn't always know how to step when it came to these situations. I think Ice-T explained it best in one of the docs I saw when he stated that if he had problems with an artist out in New York and they got killed, he would have waited at least a full year before he tried going out there on a publicity tour and when he did, he would have made it point to disown any connection to the murder.
When I look at one of Big's last interviews that he did out there and his little throwaway freestyle is bars from "Long Kiss Goodnight", I really have to wonder what is going through not just his head but those of the people around him. Let's also put in perspective that he already had that situation in the Bay with some of E-40's people after he badmouthed 40 in the press. It kind of fits Puffy's M.O. to believe that because Pac and Suge were not around, that it was a comfortable scenario for them but whoever planned that LA trip made a bad call all around.
Yeah, it seems to me that it is NOT a coincidence that right before Biggie got shot, he rapped verses from "Long Kiss Goodnight" on Sway's radio show. Even the slow homies are going to know that "slugs missed ya, I ain't mad at ya" is a reference to Pac (and Suge). In that same radio freestyle, he rapped some lines from "You're Nobody Till Somebody Kills You" where he says "I leave my competition respirator style." I'd not be surprised if Big got killed for dissing a dead man.
The difference between Pac and Big is that Pac was the same man on the mic that he was in the interviews. In all of Biggie's interviews after Pac's death, Biggie said he would never wish death on Pac and that he was shook by the news...yet on wax he makes a song taking pleasure in the fact that Pac's dead, with a chorus saying "time for you to die."
Wasn't it the case that people from Bad Boy claimed that Long Kiss Goodnight was recorded before Pac's death? That's an obvious lie, since Big makes reference to his own car accident, which happened after Pac died. I know that the Bad Boy camp also claimed that "Who Shot Ya?" was recorded before Pac got shot, but the lyrics do sound like they're directed at Pac.
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The funny part about Long Kiss Goodnight is that isn't even the OG version on the album. RZA said in a interview with XXL that Biggie actually redid his verses. The 1st one went at Pac even more so than this one.
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The funny part about Long Kiss Goodnight is that isn't even the OG version on the album. RZA said in a interview with XXL that Biggie actually redid his verses. The 1st one went at Pac even more so than this one.
I think you're wrong there. The only thing that was redid was the puffy adlibs and maybe something on the hook as the verses are as they are.
That aside, BIG carried himself like he knew what was going on etc and thats what pissed Pac off. As another poster mentioned, he handled the situation wrong, both times.
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Also, in Long Kiss, when Biggie says "be the cats with no dough tried to play me at my show"...sounds like he's talking about E-40 and the situation where he got set up in the bay?
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The funny part about Long Kiss Goodnight is that isn't even the OG version on the album. RZA said in a interview with XXL that Biggie actually redid his verses. The 1st one went at Pac even more so than this one.
I think you're wrong there. The only thing that was redid was the puffy adlibs and maybe something on the hook as the verses are as they are.
That aside, BIG carried himself like he knew what was going on etc and thats what pissed Pac off. As another poster mentioned, he handled the situation wrong, both times.
I'm just repeating what RZA said in a XXL interview. Actually it was Lil Cease that said it.
23 “Long Kiss Goodnight”
Produced by RZA
Lil’ Cease That was a one-nighter. That was about ’Pac. He had some shit at the beginning of that though, nobody heard it, on the reel. We had to change it. It was a little too much. I can’t remember what Big said about him, but it was terrible. It couldn’t make it. He didn’t want to do it. He had some fire. But he didn’t want to make it too much. He just wanted to address it and to let nigga know, “I know what’s going on, and I could get wreck if I want to.” Like, “If I really wanted to get on ya niggas, I could.”
Puffy Naaah. It was just some MC lyrics. I know people wanna have their imagination, but it was just lyrics. You’re hearing it from the horse’s mouth. I would tell the truth. If Biggie was going to do a song about 2Pac, he would have just come out with it and said his name. Their gloves were basically off. 2Pac had did “Hit ’Em Up.”
RZA Biggie was always pretty cool with me. He liked the Wu-Tang sound. He requested me to be on the album. I didn’t know if everybody in his camp agreed with it, because at one point there was a little bit of tension in the air—with Raekwon’s [Only Built 4] Cuban Linx… album and some of the statements that was made. But we was always cool with each other.
Biggie wrote the verse after his accident. At first we had Cappadonna doing the hook, talking a lot of shit. In the beginning, you can hear Cappadonna. Then Puff did his thing at the end. I didn’t know it was going to be there but I know how they work. I wasn’t in the studio when they did that. I went in a couple of weeks after he did the verse. They wanted to mix it themselves, but they didn’t even know where to put things at. I had so many sounds in there. They didn’t know what the fuck I was thinking about.
We had about 10 basic musical elements on that track. At the end he’s talking about everybody was fucking with them at that time. He could have even been talking about me [laughs], ’cause there was some cuts at Biggie on the Cuban Linx… album.
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The funny part about Long Kiss Goodnight is that isn't even the OG version on the album. RZA said in a interview with XXL that Biggie actually redid his verses. The 1st one went at Pac even more so than this one.
I think you're wrong there. The only thing that was redid was the puffy adlibs and maybe something on the hook as the verses are as they are.
That aside, BIG carried himself like he knew what was going on etc and thats what pissed Pac off. As another poster mentioned, he handled the situation wrong, both times.
I'm just repeating what RZA said in a XXL interview. Actually it was Lil Cease that said it.
23 “Long Kiss Goodnight”
Produced by RZA
Lil’ Cease That was a one-nighter. That was about ’Pac. He had some shit at the beginning of that though, nobody heard it, on the reel. We had to change it. It was a little too much. I can’t remember what Big said about him, but it was terrible. It couldn’t make it. He didn’t want to do it. He had some fire. But he didn’t want to make it too much. He just wanted to address it and to let nigga know, “I know what’s going on, and I could get wreck if I want to.” Like, “If I really wanted to get on ya niggas, I could.”
Puffy Naaah. It was just some MC lyrics. I know people wanna have their imagination, but it was just lyrics. You’re hearing it from the horse’s mouth. I would tell the truth. If Biggie was going to do a song about 2Pac, he would have just come out with it and said his name. Their gloves were basically off. 2Pac had did “Hit ’Em Up.”
RZA Biggie was always pretty cool with me. He liked the Wu-Tang sound. He requested me to be on the album. I didn’t know if everybody in his camp agreed with it, because at one point there was a little bit of tension in the air—with Raekwon’s [Only Built 4] Cuban Linx… album and some of the statements that was made. But we was always cool with each other.
Biggie wrote the verse after his accident. At first we had Cappadonna doing the hook, talking a lot of shit. In the beginning, you can hear Cappadonna. Then Puff did his thing at the end. I didn’t know it was going to be there but I know how they work. I wasn’t in the studio when they did that. I went in a couple of weeks after he did the verse. They wanted to mix it themselves, but they didn’t even know where to put things at. I had so many sounds in there. They didn’t know what the fuck I was thinking about.
We had about 10 basic musical elements on that track. At the end he’s talking about everybody was fucking with them at that time. He could have even been talking about me [laughs], ’cause there was some cuts at Biggie on the Cuban Linx… album.
These interviews are funny, because they show you that Puffy would flat out lie about the situation. Lil Cease is obviously telling the truth in contradicting Puff's statements.
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Also, in Long Kiss, when Biggie says "be the cats with no dough tried to play me at my show"...sounds like he's talking about E-40 and the situation where he got set up in the bay?
doubt it cause Big shouts out 40 in the life after death booklet. that and the fact that 40 was probably making more money than Big with his record deal (one mil by album + royalties).
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Puffy says that Big would have mentioned 2Pac's name if he wanted to diss him but Big mentions at the end of the song (Long Kiss OG) that he didn't want to mention names... I forget the reason - I only just heard the track for the first time this afternoon.
I do believe one part Puffy said, though, and that is that the song is a just lyrics rather than a direct diss. Big had probably written a gang of stuff over a long period.
One interesting thing is that RZA mentions Cappadonna talking "a lot of shit. Cappadonna was on the Raekwon skit where Raekwon is dissing Big for copying Nas' album cover. I cannot hear what Cappadonna says on the track, though, as it's not clear.
I think the track features some nice lyrics and I don't think a name has to be mentioned for the track to be a diss record.
I do think that Big wanted to diss a lot of people on both coasts to show his superiority, as did 2Pac, and now they're both deceased... In truth, the whole thing started when 2Pac spoke bad about a mob boss (Haitian Jack?) in a NY newspaper.
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bottom line is biggie didn't have the guts to do it until after Pac was gone.
Chino did a radio freestyle on some small college station right after hit em up came out and ripped pac up pretty bad. i got the mp3 but chino reports it when people put it on youtube lol
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But to kind of reiterate what I said in an earlier post whether he was directly talking funny about Pac or just coincidentally putting out a record talking about nobody directly, he should have learned from the "Who Shot Ya" drama that there can be consequences. I've never really felt like "Long Kiss Goodnight" was crossing a line but going to LA and doing those verses on the radio. Even if Biggie didn't know better, someone around them should have. And it's not even just strictly a Biggie thing. I think the situation with the "New York, New York" video straddles a similar line. As an artist, you can always make it the point to not give a fuck but it's good to be weary that what happens can bring consequences.
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And it's not even just strictly a Biggie thing. I think the situation with the "New York, New York" video straddles a similar line. As an artist, you can always make it the point to not give a fuck but it's good to be weary that what happens can bring consequences.
See, this is a matter of perspective. Tha Dogg Pound until this day, say that 'New York, New York' was done out of respect for the East Coast. It was Biggie who went on the radio and said that 2Pac + Tha Dogg Pound are filming in Times Square and what was anyone gonna do about it (although no audio of Biggie on the radio has ever came out).
It was only after Tha Dogg Pound + Snoop were shot at did it become a diss, again, because Bad Boy handled the situation wrong.
Biggie was absolutely no saint, NEVER once did he ever stand up as a man (let alone a friend of 2Pac) and handle the situation.
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I'm not calling Biggie a saint by any stretch and I am looking at it from the perspective of removing him from the equation entirely. Doing a video where you are knocking over New York landmarks as artists from Los Angeles at a time when the heat is up is a bold move. I'm not saying it is a diss to any individuals anymore than I think Biggie was directly dissing any individuals when he went to Los Angeles. I am saying that both situations can bring about consequences.
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I assume that Snoop kicking over the buildings was a post-production thing and likely not a part of the original concept. I have a strong feeling that if Biggie had never gone on the radio and said what he said and they didn't get shot at, that likely wouldn't have been in the video at all.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/WcKd3wNZops
Long Kiss Goodnight
(Original Version / 2Pac & Suge Kinght Diss)
(The Notorious BIG featuring Cappadonna)
(produced by : RZA)
"Biggie wrote the verse after his accident. At first we had Cappadonna doing the hook, talking a lot of shit. In the beginning, you can hear Cappadonna. Then Puff did his thing at the end. I didn't know it was going to be there but I know how they work. I wasn't in the studio when they did that. I went in a couple of weeks after he did the verse. They wanted to mix it themselves, but they didn't even know where to put things at. I had so many sounds in there. They didn't know what the fuck I was thinking about.
We had about 10 basic musical elements on that track. At the end he's talking about everybody was fucking with them at that time. He could have even been talking about me [laughs], 'cause there was some cuts at Biggie on the Cuban Linx... album." - RZA
"That was a one-nighter. That was about 'Pac. He had some shit at the beginning of that though, nobody heard it, on the reel. We had to change it. It was a little too much. I can't remember what Big said about him, but it was terrible. It couldn't make it. He didn't want to do it. He had some fire. But he didn't want to make it too much. He just wanted to address it and to let nigga know, "I know what's going on, and I could get wreck if I want to." Like, "If I really wanted to get on ya niggas, I could." - Lil Cease
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Definitely a "one nighter" - not a great track. It sounds rushed and he doesn't stick to topic.
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http://youtu.be/JJ7laipuqqs 8)
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Big shits on Pac. 8)
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Biggest coward move ever. Nigga got pushed around by Pac and didn't speak up once. But Pac dies and you go record a 'haha that's what you get' song? Faggot shit. Not to mention how arrogant he was after Pac's death, coming straight to California and laughing it up on the radio. That move right there realistically cost him his life. Biggie got too big for his britches and forgot the streets were watching.
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Biggest coward move ever. Nigga got pushed around by Pac and didn't speak up once. But Pac dies and you go record a 'haha that's what you get' song? Faggot shit. Not to mention how arrogant he was after Pac's death, coming straight to California and laughing it up on the radio. That move right there realistically cost him his life. Biggie got too big for his britches and forgot the streets were watching.
That's right homie..Biggie and Puff daddy was cowards and faggots..
First the Quad studios shooting...clearly they were involved (Or at least knew something) coward move number 1
Then "Who Shot Ya" releasing ... bitch move number 2
Biggie went to the radio and gossip on Dogg Pound and Snoop "NY NY'' - He create the buzz, bitch move number 3 .
Bitch Move number 4: Big Jake murder in Atlanta nightclub by P Diddy bodyguard .
Bitch Move number 5: Connection w murder of Tupac
Bitch Move number 6: laughting on Radio about Pac's death..and diss a dead man ( Long Kiss Goodnight ) SUPER BITCH MOVE..
Bitch Move Final: Came to LA, after Pac's dead ... and think it was over!! DJ Quik conflicted him on the after-party, and he rushed the party fearing somenthing ( not by Quik, by others gang members)
Bitch Iz a Bitch!!
I Believe, Tree Top Pirus or Campanella Park Pirus shut the fat mouth 4ever.
And P-Diddy just was not killed because he must have made a deal after Biggie murder .
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Big shits on Pac. 8)
Nah, he doesn't. The track is vicious, but like all of Biggie's tracks, it lacks heart. It's just a fat guy sitting there and spitting some clever rhymes. This nigga had no heart, and his tracks are shit compared to Pac's as a result, because Pac made the most soulful rap music of all time.
Biggie deserved to get merked by the bloods. I'm surprised Puffy and Suge are still alive.
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Biggest coward move ever. Nigga got pushed around by Pac and didn't speak up once. But Pac dies and you go record a 'haha that's what you get' song? Faggot shit. Not to mention how arrogant he was after Pac's death, coming straight to California and laughing it up on the radio. That move right there realistically cost him his life. Biggie got too big for his britches and forgot the streets were watching.
That's right homie..Biggie and Puff daddy was cowards and faggots..
First the Quad studios shooting...clearly they were involved (Or at least knew something) coward move number 1
Then "Who Shot Ya" releasing ... bitch move number 2
Biggie went to the radio and gossip on Dogg Pound and Snoop "NY NY'' - He create the buzz, bitch move number 3 .
Bitch Move number 4: Big Jake murder in Atlanta nightclub by P Diddy bodyguard .
Bitch Move number 5: Connection w murder of Tupac
Bitch Move number 6: laughting on Radio about Pac's death..and diss a dead man ( Long Kiss Goodnight ) SUPER BITCH MOVE..
Bitch Move Final: Came to LA, after Pac's dead ... and think it was over!! DJ Quik conflicted him on the after-party, and he rushed the party fearing somenthing ( not by Quik, by others gang members)
Bitch Iz a Bitch!!
I Believe, Tree Top Pirus or Campanella Park Pirus shut the fat mouth 4ever.
And P-Diddy just was not killed because he must have made a deal after Biggie murder .
Real talk right here. Mr. Theo has got to be one of the realest posters on this forum. Probably because he's blood-affiliated, like me.
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Biggest coward move ever. Nigga got pushed around by Pac and didn't speak up once. But Pac dies and you go record a 'haha that's what you get' song? Faggot shit. Not to mention how arrogant he was after Pac's death, coming straight to California and laughing it up on the radio. That move right there realistically cost him his life. Biggie got too big for his britches and forgot the streets were watching.
That's right homie..Biggie and Puff daddy was cowards and faggots..
First the Quad studios shooting...clearly they were involved (Or at least knew something) coward move number 1
Then "Who Shot Ya" releasing ... bitch move number 2
Biggie went to the radio and gossip on Dogg Pound and Snoop "NY NY'' - He create the buzz, bitch move number 3 .
Bitch Move number 4: Big Jake murder in Atlanta nightclub by P Diddy bodyguard .
Bitch Move number 5: Connection w murder of Tupac
Bitch Move number 6: laughting on Radio about Pac's death..and diss a dead man ( Long Kiss Goodnight ) SUPER BITCH MOVE..
Bitch Move Final: Came to LA, after Pac's dead ... and think it was over!! DJ Quik conflicted him on the after-party, and he rushed the party fearing somenthing ( not by Quik, by others gang members)
Bitch Iz a Bitch!!
I Believe, Tree Top Pirus or Campanella Park Pirus shut the fat mouth 4ever.
And P-Diddy just was not killed because he must have made a deal after Biggie murder .
Real talk right here. Mr. Theo has got to be one of the realest posters on this forum. Probably because he's blood-affiliated, like me.
That's right homie.. that's the truth, we only speak the truth!!
although I don't listen Biggie music.. i don't think he's the biggest responsible for this situation, I think Biggie was blindly influenced by P.Diddy. (Yes this is a hella of bitch)
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cameron or however you spell his name is NOT no fucking gangsta! I didn't even know who he was until I seen him getting hemed up by his collar and bowing that shit down.
please.
maybe to you off brands he's gangsta. ::)
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Real talk right here. Mr. Theo has got to be one of the realest posters on this forum. Probably because he's blood-affiliated, like me.
Blood you ain't affiliated with no Blood.
You probably a frail looking white suburban kid, straight up Krakow style.
No real nigga calls himself MOBNigga06.
Choke on a pirog.
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mobnigga06 is just having fun with us, sometimes i wonder if he's a troll account. i mean he's cool whenever he talks music but some of his threads and opinions are just ridiculous.
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Real talk right here. Mr. Theo has got to be one of the realest posters on this forum. Probably because he's blood-affiliated, like me.
Blood you ain't affiliated with no Blood.
You probably a frail looking white suburban kid, straight up Krakow style.
No real nigga calls himself MOBNigga06.
Choke on a pirog.
How do you know I'm not a blood? Because I can write intelligent sentences? That's some racist nonsense, homie.
When I'm not on the net, I'm in the set. Believe that.
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Real talk right here. Mr. Theo has got to be one of the realest posters on this forum. Probably because he's blood-affiliated, like me.
Blood you ain't affiliated with no Blood.
You probably a frail looking white suburban kid, straight up Krakow style.
No real nigga calls himself MOBNigga06.
Choke on a pirog.
How do you know I'm not a blood? Because I can write intelligent sentences? That's some racist nonsense, homie.
When I'm not on the net, I'm in the set. Believe that.
My bad blood.
I see now from the way you type that you indeed are a real nigga
Keep it (m)academically G'd up.
Peace
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Y'all gon3 run 3rd off. H3's c'oming to C my arch n3m3sis. Live th3 little tyke alone.
That's how I know exactly what gangsta do
You love that gangsta shit
Ain't u a gangsta 3
C walk homi3
Hahahaha ;D
Evil laugh-heheheheheheeeeee rrrrrrah
And I end that evil laugh with rrrrrrah like after u say beat street break down hahahaha. Old school know that rrrrrrrah! Hehehe.
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Y'all gon3 run 3rd off. H3's c'oming to C my arch n3m3sis. Live th3 little tyke alone.
That's how I know exactly what gangsta do
You love that gangsta shit
Ain't u a gangsta 3
C walk homi3
Hahahaha ;D
Evil laugh-heheheheheheeeeee rrrrrrah
And I end that evil laugh with rrrrrrah like after u say beat street break down hahahaha. Old school know that rrrrrrrah! Hehehe.
Yo, people on this forum debate whether or not I'm black...and I understand that...but I think there is NO DOUBT that poleposition is a 35 year old black woman from a real impoverished part of California. Am I right, PP?
Does everybody feel me on this one?
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What the fuck u need an audience for 3rd? U need back up wamp. i don't give a fuck what they debate about u.
The closet ur weber bread ass comes to being a slob is when I throw some hot sauce on your white ass.
Naw mf. You guessing wrong. Bitch ass Becky.
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What the fuck u need an audience for 3rd? U need back up wamp. i don't give a fuck what they debate about u.
The closet ur weber bread ass comes to being a slob is when I throw some hot sauce on your white ass.
Naw mf. You guessing wrong. Bitch ass Becky.
What did I guess wrong about? Your age, your race, or your location? If I'm wrong, let us know the truth.
I'm open about the fact that I am a blood-affiliated nigga. I'm proud to be who I am. If I'm wrong about you, then drop the correct knowledge on me.
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And where ever you're getting your info from tell them to come out an play too. Cuz I got the 411. On me. He gave me the 411. Now, I don't blab off at the mouth..but, if u niggas want war, so C IT CUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZ!
And I'm speaking FOR ME. No audience needed. I don't think ur a SLOB ASS SLOB PIECE OF SHIT SLOB ASS OFF BRAND WAMP YAMO DICC LICC cuz u may possibly be white..I just don't think you're a SLOB cuz you're a mf'n
SALAD ASS NIGGA/WIGGA. U salad!
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What the fuck u need an audience for 3rd? U need back up wamp. i don't give a fuck what they debate about u.
The closet ur weber bread ass comes to being a slob is when I throw some hot sauce on your white ass.
Naw mf. You guessing wrong. Bitch ass Becky.
What did I guess wrong about? Your age, your race, or your location? If I'm wrong, let us know the truth.
I'm open about the fact that I am a blood-affiliated nigga. I'm proud to be who I am. If I'm wrong about you, then drop the correct knowledge on me.
My age. U didnt mention my race. And, my location wrong. But who the fuck r u the police. A lawyer? What's with all the questions. I asked ur bitch ass no question so why the fuck would I drop knowledge on your sucka ass for? Why would u think I even give a fuck.
You're mixing me saying u questions about dj quiks fucking and strokes is suspect as fuck homothug ass mf. Now, how that translated into u think I give a fuck about u is crazy.
Gtfoh with the bs.
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Oh. U did say I'm black. Yup.
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And where ever you're getting your info from tell them to come out an play too. Cuz I got the 411. On me. He gave me the 411. Now, I don't blab off at the mouth..but, if u niggas want war, so C IT CUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZ!
And I'm speaking FOR ME. No audience needed. I don't think ur a SLOB ASS SLOB PIECE OF SHIT SLOB ASS OFF BRAND WAMP YAMO DICC LICC cuz u may possibly be white..I just don't think you're a SLOB cuz you're a mf'n
SALAD ASS NIGGA/WIGGA. U salad!
PP, I said that I can tell that you're a 35 year-old black woman from an impoverished part of California. Am I wrong? Enlighten me by revealing the truth about yourself.
It's nothing to be ashamed about, whatever your reality may be. Just be open about it. Stop with the incoherent posts. I prefer your cute feminine posts about DJ Quik, that is entertaining and more proper for a woman.
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No. Wait. This is funny.
Enlighten me as to why I have to enlighten any mf body on a forum about my personal business. Who the fuck do u think u are.
I already said you r wrong. Actually your right. Wait, no..your wrong. Nah. You're right.
Bitch. It's cute that the board has two females going at it.
And any time u want to see cute fem post about quik...just read all YOUR MFN POST.
Mmk.
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Pole, your posts are funny, because I can tell that you would love to give me the pussy. You attack me because, out of all the niggas on this forum, it is obvious that MOBNIGGA06 has the most game. Nobody here is as gamed up as me, with the possible exception of Mr. Theo.
So just let us know the real. You're 35 or 40, you're from an area worse than Compton, and you're a black woman. I'm a young nigga, 27, and I'm from a blood-affiliated hood in Cali (though I did leave the hood). Knowing the truth of your situation will help us appreciate your posts better.
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Um. Ok. Sure. ::)
But, ill say I ain't never lied about who I am. Furthermore, don't worry bout it.
I've Always said ima big black pimp with a g limp getting down down down tonight but don't slip.
I already said I look like t Suggs. I get no play. And I'm happy.
Fuck u.
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This little slob ass albino talking big shit.
I jus wanna...ewww...
I can't stand yo ass
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And it's not even just strictly a Biggie thing. I think the situation with the "New York, New York" video straddles a similar line. As an artist, you can always make it the point to not give a fuck but it's good to be weary that what happens can bring consequences.
See, this is a matter of perspective. Tha Dogg Pound until this day, say that 'New York, New York' was done out of respect for the East Coast. It was Biggie who went on the radio and said that 2Pac + Tha Dogg Pound are filming in Times Square and what was anyone gonna do about it (although no audio of Biggie on the radio has ever came out).
It was only after Tha Dogg Pound + Snoop were shot at did it become a diss, again, because Bad Boy handled the situation wrong.
Biggie was absolutely no saint, NEVER once did he ever stand up as a man (let alone a friend of 2Pac) and handle the situation.
My homie told me about that the next day after it happened. Biggie ordered someone do something on hot 97 and they did.
bottom line is biggie didn't have the guts to do it until after Pac was gone.
Chino did a radio freestyle on some small college station right after hit em up came out and ripped pac up pretty bad. i got the mp3 but chino reports it when people put it on youtube lol
http://www.soundcloud.com
Listening to Long Kiss Goodnight after all this time, I think Big went harder in this one song than Pac did in all of the many disses he recorded against Big. Most of the shit Pac said was pretty superficial: I fucked your bitch, you're wack, fat, cross-eyed, down syndrome, I let you sleep on my couch, etc. Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight.
It's true 'Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight but 2 things to take into account;
1. All of 'Pac's disses were blatant, you could never suggest that he subliminally went at anyone, he really hated the way Bad Boy handled the situation and they DID do some sucker shit to him
2. Pac went to New York and was at Saturday Night Live, went to awards shows, etc, basically if anyone disagreed with or wanted to get at him, he was not hard to find. Biggie dissed him when he couldn't respond (by being dead).
I'm from the school of thought that both of these things mean something and they are the crux of this difference.
He was also walking around Brooklyn with Hussian Fatal's goons from Jersey when he came out to ny for the mtv music awards show. The same goons held him down up against Nas and QB goons.
Puffy says that Big would have mentioned 2Pac's name if he wanted to diss him but Big mentions at the end of the song (Long Kiss OG) that he didn't want to mention names... I forget the reason - I only just heard the track for the first time this afternoon.
I do believe one part Puffy said, though, and that is that the song is a just lyrics rather than a direct diss. Big had probably written a gang of stuff over a long period.
One interesting thing is that RZA mentions Cappadonna talking "a lot of shit. Cappadonna was on the Raekwon skit where Raekwon is dissing Big for copying Nas' album cover. I cannot hear what Cappadonna says on the track, though, as it's not clear.
I think the track features some nice lyrics and I don't think a name has to be mentioned for the track to be a diss record.
I do think that Big wanted to diss a lot of people on both coasts to show his superiority, as did 2Pac, and now they're both deceased... In truth, the whole thing started when 2Pac spoke bad about a mob boss (Haitian Jack?) in a NY newspaper.
Jack wasn't no mob boss, he was just a grimy goon. Pac didn't speak to a NY paper, he was hanging out with Mickey Rourke and a guy named aj benza where he spoke off record about it. Aj who worked for the ny times printed what Pac said in private in the gossip page of the paper and the hit was put out because of it. The media was to blame for that, not him.
Feds is watching stop this Piru talk.
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I'm a single mother of 2 1/2 kids.
In my spare time I like to stand in county lines to find new friends to play spades with.
I love to watch movies where mothers are on their knees screaming no my bayby!!!
I love a good banana pudding.. Making one right now.
I like to wear head wraps with rollers in hopes that the media will cover a drive by where I can make the news with one hand in my bra scratching my tit and smh.
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lol
MOBnigga06, what set? you do realize claiming to be a gang member has been the eurowigger trick number 1 as long as there have been rap forums.
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Don't put the little dick lick=slob on that spot. People shouldn't ask where people stay age location...
That's why I was bewildered at his questions.
And he know damn well ain't think bout loving to give up shit. Only of brand I'd ever dick lick is the one I'm dating or mobs Fav nigga.
So, cut that out.
He's a chump. He battles me on who likes quik more. He said I'm a groupie. Smh. He can go untuck and fuck himself. If I'm a groupie cuz I like someone's music that just so happen to be handsome, then so be it. I'm not defending that crazy thought process any more.
He's no threat. Not to me,anyway.
He can "set" these lips in his mouth.
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I do think that Big wanted to diss a lot of people on both coasts to show his superiority, as did 2Pac, and now they're both deceased... In truth, the whole thing started when 2Pac spoke bad about a mob boss (Haitian Jack?) in a NY newspaper.
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Jack wasn't no mob boss, he was just a grimy goon. Pac didn't speak to a NY paper, he was hanging out with Mickey Rourke and a guy named aj benza where he spoke off record about it. Aj who worked for the ny times printed what Pac said in private in the gossip page of the paper and the hit was put out because of it. The media was to blame for that, not him.
Feds is watching stop this Piru talk.
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Yeah, sorry. I meant King Tut.
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Nobody here is as gamed up as me, with the possible exception of Mr. Theo.
lmao..g as can b
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Yeah, sorry. I meant King Tut.
I do think that Big wanted to diss a lot of people on both coasts to show his superiority, as did 2Pac, and now they're both deceased... In truth, the whole thing started when 2Pac spoke bad about a mob boss (Haitian Jack?) in a NY newspaper.
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Jack wasn't no mob boss, he was just a grimy goon. Pac didn't speak to a NY paper, he was hanging out with Mickey Rourke and a guy named aj benza where he spoke off record about it. Aj who worked for the ny times printed what Pac said in private in the gossip page of the paper and the hit was put out because of it. The media was to blame for that, not him.
Feds is watching stop this Piru talk.
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I don't Tut was a boss either. When you want to do a stick-up or murder, the boss aint the one who does it.
\But to prove Jack wasn't a boss, just check out Queens Reigns Supreme. Jimmy Henchman talks about Pac looking up to Jack not realizing that He was more powerful than him. He said he had to drive him around to a few spots so he could see who he was dealing with.