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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Jay ay Beee on March 19, 2003, 04:49:09 PM
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I'm not going to say I told you so but....
Men from boys.
Protest that you had the hardest group.
Protest Ajax played defensive football (to quote Arsene)
Arsenal have learnt nothing from their years of Champions League football, have advanced nowhere.
Have you ever won the treble? Have you fuck.
You started to believe the inane London media drivel. Fabio Capello told you you were the best team in Europe - it must be true!
Arsenal FC - Not good enough in Europe, not even on Manchester United's level in Europe. We learn this back in 94 when we were dominating the Prem and assumed that if we played exactly the same in Europe we'd be victorious. (of course we had the foreigner restriction)
I'm pitying you again, and the fact is I told you this was going to happen (check the old threads). Pay attention:
ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB ARE NOT A GREAT TEAM UNTIL THEY DOMINATE LIKE WE DOMINATED. Therfore YOU WILL NEVER BE A GREAT TEAM.
1 win 4 draws and a loss - disgraceful for a team who are all MOUTH.
Ever won the treble Sol?
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Blah blah blah blah you've become well predictable. Hows that quadruple coming along?? lmfao.
I'm proud of the lads, we went to the Mestella and outplayed Valencia, they came to Highbury and played 11 men behind the ball, just like Ajax and Roma did, the difference in the end was 2 mistakes (against Roma, Valencia) from Pascal Cygan that cost us the group. We should've gone further but our squad is young and we'll be back again next year. We have long term goals. (Henry's goal was world class)
I cant deny it hurts but we'll move on and should complete the double, double.
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I'm proud of the lads, we went to the Mestella and outplayed Valencia
Now thats got to be the biggest load of bullshit i've heard. Every one knows that Valencia was the better team and deserved to win.
Damn gooners, always full of shit.
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Matthew Upson anyone?
Great young talent. Cygan must be loving Wengers decisions to overlook English talent and just go for the frogs.
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I'm proud of the lads, we went to the Mestella and outplayed Valencia
Now thats got to be the biggest load of bullshit i've heard. Every one knows that Valencia was the better team and deserved to win.
Damn gooners, always full of shit.
Everyone knows? do they bollocks, they outplayed us for the last 20 minutes of the first half and for about 15 minutes of the second, both periods came after they scored. Even the fucking Sun admitted we were "unlucky to lose".
Logic's on point, although Matty's been shite for Birmingham since he left us, he's a bit better then Cygan.
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Actually Sol, if you read the Sun properly today, especially Steven Howard's column, they concluded that while last night could have gone either way, Arsenal didn't deserve to progress.
"Yes, they started the Champions League with three successive victories but, in true pretenders style, they ended with just one win in nine and a final run of four draws and a defeat"
"Astonishingly enough for a side managed by Wenger, they have not learnt from their mistakes"
You see Joachim, we experienced this. When we went out in 94, after beating Galatasaray 4 - 0, we protested that we truly were good enough to win the Champions League, because our football was so good, we went for goals all the time, we loved to attack. You can get away with this in the Premiership, we did it for 2 years in a row 99-00, 00-01, because we were pretty comfortable in the knowledge that there were now teams anywhere near our level attack wise and were not defensively at the level to be effective in counter attacking tactics. But, I'm afraid, the Champions League is not this utopia where everybody attacks all the time, and matches are somehow 'fair' in Wengers eyes because attack is used from both sides. When teams are looking for 3 wins at home and three draws away the fact is teams who are secure in the knowledge that there defence is very good are going to turn up at Highbury and defend, defend, defend. This is not Richard Dunne, Sylvain Distin and Steve Howey, backed up by Carlo Nash. The teams you compete against have fully competent defences. Wenger has consistently been unable to figure out tactics to use when presented a situation like that.
You have to address your problems, not write everything off as Spanish cheats, defensive blah blah blah. This is what teams are going to do to try and win on the TOP level. I assume that you will have noticed that the quality of the matches in terms of watchability that we are having this season and last are down. Our matches on a whole are not goal feasts like they used to be, although 5 -3 vs Newcastle was a return to "You score goals, we'll score one more than you". This is because Fergie decided after Bayern Munich knocked us out of the European Cup at the Quarter Final stage very easily in 2000, that if, ultimately Manchester United under Fergie are to be remembered as one of the top 5 club sides ever, we have to win the European Cup twice. One man up front fucking gets on my fucking tits when we are lining up against some Mickey Mouse Man City defence. This is the way we now play however, because it is a very effective way of playing in Europe. The Premiership is very tactically rigid, every man plays his position, the team that has the best players in each attacking position will usually find a level of success. However in Europe players have to be able to rotate during the game. Giggs in behind the Ruud, Seba goes out left, Scholes drops back is the DREAM, and when it works, it fucking works. The nature of the prem doesn't allow it to work very often and I pray that Fergie realises this in the run in and we see more Ole.
This is very long winded but the conclusion is that Europe is a whole nother ball game. It is the highest quality of football on the planet, technically and tactically. Arsenal demonstrated that faced with teams like PSV, who didn't have the no - how, the stampede of fantastic attacking works. But for the fifth year in a row, Arsene Wenger and 'the boys' demonstrated that when they were prsented with something different, they couldn't cope. And I have tried to tell you this (perhaps not in the same detail) for a while. (Check the old threads). The worrying thing for you is that Wenger hasn't shown in any of his post match analysis that he saw any mistakes in the way Arsenal played in the Champions League whatsoever.
I personally hope you will well and truly fall apart, starting with perhaps a result for Everton and a loss at Stamford Bridge, but we'll see. One thing is for sure: Do not kid yourself that you have made progress in Europe, or will make progress in Europe. This was the finest Arsenal team ever, and you were pure pretenders in Europe, and mouthy ones at that.
We'll be in the quarters representing England yet again, for an historic seventh year in a row. We have the respect of Europe as a true heavyweight. You do not.
Ps. Fuck the scousers ha ha ha See you later you bastards, how's the ticker Gerard
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My math tutor, he's a Gooner. And he agreed that the other night showed that Arsenal weren't ready for Europe yet.
He also said that it prvoed Manchester United had strength in depth, in that their youth team + Ryan Giggs played a very tough game versus Deportivo, the Spanish champions.
Man Utd have been out of sorts, but even now, they have every chance to win the league. And they progressed further in the League Cup than Arsenal.
I'm off to pray Steve Staunton and Dion Dublin never get sent off again.
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ha ha were going for the double the only team thats taken 2 tropies is us man utd
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ha ha were going for the double the only team thats taken 2 tropies is us man utd
Arsenal have as well, since the Premiership started.
Before that, the last team to do it was Aston Villa. WOOT WOOT
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Actually Sol, if you read the Sun properly today, especially Steven Howard's column, they concluded that while last night could have gone either way, Arsenal didn't deserve to progress.
"Yes, they started the Champions League with three successive victories but, in true pretenders style, they ended with just one win in nine and a final run of four draws and a defeat"
"Astonishingly enough for a side managed by Wenger, they have not learnt from their mistakes"
You see Joachim, we experienced this. When we went out in 94, after beating Galatasaray 4 - 0, we protested that we truly were good enough to win the Champions League, because our football was so good, we went for goals all the time, we loved to attack. You can get away with this in the Premiership, we did it for 2 years in a row 99-00, 00-01, because we were pretty comfortable in the knowledge that there were now teams anywhere near our level attack wise and were not defensively at the level to be effective in counter attacking tactics. But, I'm afraid, the Champions League is not this utopia where everybody attacks all the time, and matches are somehow 'fair' in Wengers eyes because attack is used from both sides. When teams are looking for 3 wins at home and three draws away the fact is teams who are secure in the knowledge that there defence is very good are going to turn up at Highbury and defend, defend, defend. This is not Richard Dunne, Sylvain Distin and Steve Howey, backed up by Carlo Nash. The teams you compete against have fully competent defences. Wenger has consistently been unable to figure out tactics to use when presented a situation like that.
You have to address your problems, not write everything off as Spanish cheats, defensive blah blah blah. This is what teams are going to do to try and win on the TOP level. I assume that you will have noticed that the quality of the matches in terms of watchability that we are having this season and last are down. Our matches on a whole are not goal feasts like they used to be, although 5 -3 vs Newcastle was a return to "You score goals, we'll score one more than you". This is because Fergie decided after Bayern Munich knocked us out of the European Cup at the Quarter Final stage very easily in 2000, that if, ultimately Manchester United under Fergie are to be remembered as one of the top 5 club sides ever, we have to win the European Cup twice. One man up front fucking gets on my fucking tits when we are lining up against some Mickey Mouse Man City defence. This is the way we now play however, because it is a very effective way of playing in Europe. The Premiership is very tactically rigid, every man plays his position, the team that has the best players in each attacking position will usually find a level of success. However in Europe players have to be able to rotate during the game. Giggs in behind the Ruud, Seba goes out left, Scholes drops back is the DREAM, and when it works, it fucking works. The nature of the prem doesn't allow it to work very often and I pray that Fergie realises this in the run in and we see more Ole.
This is very long winded but the conclusion is that Europe is a whole nother ball game. It is the highest quality of football on the planet, technically and tactically. Arsenal demonstrated that faced with teams like PSV, who didn't have the no - how, the stampede of fantastic attacking works. But for the fifth year in a row, Arsene Wenger and 'the boys' demonstrated that when they were prsented with something different, they couldn't cope. And I have tried to tell you this (perhaps not in the same detail) for a while. (Check the old threads). The worrying thing for you is that Wenger hasn't shown in any of his post match analysis that he saw any mistakes in the way Arsenal played in the Champions League whatsoever.
I personally hope you will well and truly fall apart, starting with perhaps a result for Everton and a loss at Stamford Bridge, but we'll see. One thing is for sure: Do not kid yourself that you have made progress in Europe, or will make progress in Europe. This was the finest Arsenal team ever, and you were pure pretenders in Europe, and mouthy ones at that.
We'll be in the quarters representing England yet again, for an historic seventh year in a row. We have the respect of Europe as a true heavyweight. You do not.
Ps. Fuck the scousers ha ha ha See you later you bastards, how's the ticker Gerard
Steven Howard = Hypocritical cunt.
I cant be bothered to read all that right now, however theres no denying Arsenal are not ready to win the Euopean Cup, we lack quality cover for our defence (Cygan and Igors, christ), if we rectify that with a Hofland/Mexes/Senderos/Tony Adams clone we'll have a squad capable of competing in Europe/Premiership/FA Cup simultaneously.
I'll reply in full later, i've had a mad rough night/morning.
Peace.
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Actually Sol, if you read the Sun properly today, especially Steven Howard's column, they concluded that while last night could have gone either way, Arsenal didn't deserve to progress.
"Yes, they started the Champions League with three successive victories but, in true pretenders style, they ended with just one win in nine and a final run of four draws and a defeat"
"Astonishingly enough for a side managed by Wenger, they have not learnt from their mistakes"
You see Joachim, we experienced this. When we went out in 94, after beating Galatasaray 4 - 0, we protested that we truly were good enough to win the Champions League, because our football was so good, we went for goals all the time, we loved to attack. You can get away with this in the Premiership, we did it for 2 years in a row 99-00, 00-01, because we were pretty comfortable in the knowledge that there were now teams anywhere near our level attack wise and were not defensively at the level to be effective in counter attacking tactics. But, I'm afraid, the Champions League is not this utopia where everybody attacks all the time, and matches are somehow 'fair' in Wengers eyes because attack is used from both sides. When teams are looking for 3 wins at home and three draws away the fact is teams who are secure in the knowledge that there defence is very good are going to turn up at Highbury and defend, defend, defend. This is not Richard Dunne, Sylvain Distin and Steve Howey, backed up by Carlo Nash. The teams you compete against have fully competent defences. Wenger has consistently been unable to figure out tactics to use when presented a situation like that.
You have to address your problems, not write everything off as Spanish cheats, defensive blah blah blah. This is what teams are going to do to try and win on the TOP level. I assume that you will have noticed that the quality of the matches in terms of watchability that we are having this season and last are down. Our matches on a whole are not goal feasts like they used to be, although 5 -3 vs Newcastle was a return to "You score goals, we'll score one more than you". This is because Fergie decided after Bayern Munich knocked us out of the European Cup at the Quarter Final stage very easily in 2000, that if, ultimately Manchester United under Fergie are to be remembered as one of the top 5 club sides ever, we have to win the European Cup twice. One man up front fucking gets on my fucking tits when we are lining up against some Mickey Mouse Man City defence. This is the way we now play however, because it is a very effective way of playing in Europe. The Premiership is very tactically rigid, every man plays his position, the team that has the best players in each attacking position will usually find a level of success. However in Europe players have to be able to rotate during the game. Giggs in behind the Ruud, Seba goes out left, Scholes drops back is the DREAM, and when it works, it fucking works. The nature of the prem doesn't allow it to work very often and I pray that Fergie realises this in the run in and we see more Ole.
This is very long winded but the conclusion is that Europe is a whole nother ball game. It is the highest quality of football on the planet, technically and tactically. Arsenal demonstrated that faced with teams like PSV, who didn't have the no - how, the stampede of fantastic attacking works. But for the fifth year in a row, Arsene Wenger and 'the boys' demonstrated that when they were prsented with something different, they couldn't cope. And I have tried to tell you this (perhaps not in the same detail) for a while. (Check the old threads). The worrying thing for you is that Wenger hasn't shown in any of his post match analysis that he saw any mistakes in the way Arsenal played in the Champions League whatsoever.
I personally hope you will well and truly fall apart, starting with perhaps a result for Everton and a loss at Stamford Bridge, but we'll see. One thing is for sure: Do not kid yourself that you have made progress in Europe, or will make progress in Europe. This was the finest Arsenal team ever, and you were pure pretenders in Europe, and mouthy ones at that.
We'll be in the quarters representing England yet again, for an historic seventh year in a row. We have the respect of Europe as a true heavyweight. You do not.
Ps. Fuck the scousers ha ha ha See you later you bastards, how's the ticker Gerard
LOL, how can you sit there and type that much about a football team. lol, sadddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd.
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ha ha were going for the double the only team thats taken 2 tropies is us man utd
Arsenal have as well, since the Premiership started.
Before that, the last team to do it was Aston Villa. WOOT WOOT
Teams have done the double more recently than that bag of shit team...Villa did the double in 1896 or something
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Teams have done the double more recently than that bag of shit team...Villa did the double in 1896 or something
1982, fool.
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Teams have done the double more recently than that bag of shit team...Villa did the double in 1896 or something
1982, fool.
First of all Owen "The Double" is winning the League and the FA Cup.
The last time Villa won the FA Cup was 1957 when they fucking robbed it from us
They won the European Cup in 1981-82 but they didn't win the league with it so just fuck off and watch Mario Lemieux or whoever he is you're out of your depth talking about football (sorry soccer lol)
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First of all Owen "The Double" is winning the League and the FA Cup.
The last time Villa won the FA Cup was 1957 when they fucking robbed it from us
They won the European Cup in 1981-82 but they didn't win the league with it so just fuck off and watch Mario Lemieux or whoever he is you're out of your depth talking about football (sorry soccer lol)
The double is any other trophy with the League.
Sure, I'll leave this thread, and continue playing in goal for WBA youth. Did I mention, I've talked to Gary Megson about senior tactics? I love being a genius.
Irish fistwank.
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The Double is the league and FA Cup
So...under your definition of the double....why did you say Villa were the last team to do it before Arsenal?
When we won three trophies in 1999, Liverpool won three (plus 2 mickey mousers) in 2000
And which two trophies did Villa win in one season? THey won the league 80-81 and the European Cup 81 - 82 - So they don't even fit in with your crap definition of the double
How am I Irish?
And now you descend into a game of who's talked to more managers!
lol
I've spoken to Barry Fry!
Who the fuck cares
Yo're knowledge is SKETCHY to say the least genius
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The Double is the league and FA Cup
So...under your definition of the double....why did you say Villa were the last team to do it before Arsenal?
When we won three trophies in 1999, Liverpool won three (plus 2 mickey mousers) in 2000
And which two trophies did Villa win in one season? THey won the league 80-81 and the European Cup 81 - 82 - So they don't even fit in with your crap definition of the double
How am I Irish?
And now you descend into a game of who's talked to more managers!
lol
I've spoken to Barry Fry!
Who the fuck cares
Yo're knowledge is SKETCHY to say the least genius
Just checked the stats, we did win the Cahrity Shield that year, but I got my dates mixed up. I apologize on that.
I didn't mean Villa were the last to do it before Arsenal did it. AAAGH. I meant before Man Utd, who you had been talking about doing it, did it.
I didn't "descend into a game". I said I play for WBA Youth/Reserves; Gary Megson asked specifically for me about tactics in preperation for a Reserve match, in which I mad emy semi-pro debut as a sub (who didn't go on, admittedly). And I'd believe Gary Megson's definition of football knowledge over some overprotective arrogant Manc/Irish/whatevr any day. I think your dad was an Irish pikey, the way you speak.
Your knowledge is SKETCHY to say the least, you arrogant asshole. Without knowing me, you insult me.
Oh, and Mario Lemieux is a former Canadian soccer international who is also the greatest ice hockey player of all time. He scored in a soccer friendly against England in 1984.
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My Dad was Irish yes...lol how can you tell in the way I speak?
Where did you live when you played for the Baggies?
I think your knowledge when talking about United is sketchy personally.
Plus if you talk about 'The Double' in England it is the League and FA Cup.
I think Villa did it in 1896 it was 2 centuries ago anyway.
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My Dad was Irish yes...lol how can you tell in the way I speak?
Where did you live when you played for the Baggies?
I think your knowledge when talking about United is sketchy personally.
Plus if you talk about 'The Double' in England it is the League and FA Cup.
I think Villa did it in 1896 it was 2 centuries ago anyway.
I think you told us all a while ago you were half-Irish. But to guess it was your dad...I AM GOD. LoL
You know mor eabout United, I admit; but I hold opinions on them, like you do on Crouchy boy. You may be right, he may never be true England material. But I think he will.
The "Treble" is a very loose term; I feel the same about the double. A team has performed a form of "double" when they get the League Cup and the League, surely? And yeah, I was wrong about Villa there, I thought they'd taken something else in 1981, but they got a joke award and the League.
We lived up in Birmingham for a while, where I developed my love of Villa. I trialled there, and am still signed; the youth team is trained at Leicester, and I get up there maybe once a fortnight. I've been injured a lot recently, though, from playing too much hockey.
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Seeing you support Villa, dont you think Robbie Savage is a class player.
His work rate is better then anyone else in the Premiership and even though he's a Welsh twat I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Sheff Utd shirt.
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Actually Sol, if you read the Sun properly....
wow, slow down, this is the first time ive posted on here for a while, dont know why u think i said that.
anyway...
jay you obviously know your stuff about football and i respect your opinion, but from reading what you said it seems like you have been waiting to get that out of your system for a while and have a good old go at arsenal. and we're not your main rivals?
i think you would agree that if basle were in our group we would have gone through, that was 6 points before you even started.
before the valencia game i thought arsene was god, could do no wrong. not so anymore. for all the good hes done in the transfer market our squad is severly unbalanced. we have no cover at left or right back (no counting luzhny), we have keown 34 or 35, cygan who would look out of place on hackney marshes and igore whos even worse. then we've got seaman (say no more), stuart 'shoot on sight' taylor and two no name very average keepers. if we win nothing this season it will be for this reason.
but i still think we are a far better team than the mancs, i think player for player proves this. and i think fergie knows this aswell, judgeing by the tactics hes used in the last three games at old trafford. i could give my detailed opinion on why we were crap in europe, but i cant be arsed. enjoy your time at the top, hopefully this time tomorrow things we be looking a lot better and i wont be feeling as depressed. (however ive a feeling it wont be).
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it really is a shame that for years arsenal have had a world class defence (in my opinion) and when we get an attack and midfield to go with it it's too fucking old, maybe we'll balance it out one day.
but we'll still do the double.
keep the faith sol ;D
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Seeing you support Villa, dont you think Robbie Savage is a class player.
His work rate is better then anyone else in the Premiership and even though he's a Welsh twat I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Sheff Utd shirt.
Dunno why that affects me as a Villa supporter, but yeah, Savage is a great player. And he may be Welsh, but I got Welsh blood, so you know, I don't mind.
However, on the Dublin incident, I gotta say, apparently Savage started it. He has a bad reputation as a bastard.
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savage may be a bastard but he didn't start the dublin incident, even dublin said so. From my limited lip reading experience all he called him was a wanker.
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savage may be a bastard but he didn't start the dublin incident, even dublin said so. From my limited lip reading experience all he called him was a wanker.
Dublin was being diplomatic. It's the current story that Savage, whilst not being racist, said "I hope you die, wanker".
P.S. Not to excuse Dion's conduct. He behaved disgracefully.
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urgh, well done gunners
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...but Rooney starts and Rooney scores. On the bench with Jermain Defoe for the upcoming Euro 2004 qualifiers hopefully.... in an ideal world.
Listening to Fanzone on Sky was funny. A scouser and a cockney trying to do commentary.
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just got back in from the game and although normality is restored in going back top again, yet again we were crap. its getting the same old story every game now, go a goal up and instead of killing off the oposition we mess around playing little one twos and little flicks and the other team equalises. then we are under pressure and have to fight hard to score again.
well played everton, deserved at least a draw.
great goal by ronney, it seems he likes playing against arsenal.
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Vieira is a legend theres not a team on the planet that would'nt want him in their midfield, what a diamond what a bloody diamond, immense again.
Rooney showed glimpses of a top player, but he drifted in and out of the game, but then Sol was marking him so its excusable, well played that boy, nice goal, he's gonna be a monster.
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vieira played his fucking heart out today, true captain.
why can't rooney just score a tap-in against arsenal?
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oh not another thread where owen is making a fool of himself.
you support villa but dont know shit about them. you dont get stats mixed up about things as serious as winning the european cup or the 'double.' even me, a cockney with no interest in villa knows they won the european cup in 1982. the last time you did the double (which is the league championship and FA cup, dont argue about this, just accept it as fact) was 188 sommet. and wasnt the last time you won the league 1983 or sommet?
you claim to have all of this knowlege of football but dont know the basics about your own team. ::) ::) ::)
oh yeah, PATRICK VIEIRA is GOD and the best midfielder in the world
even the most biased man u fans and roy keane lovers *cough* jay *cough* would have to admit this ;)
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oh not another thread where owen is making a fool of himself.
you support villa but dont know shit about them. you dont get stats mixed up about things as serious as winning the european cup or the 'double.' even me, a cockney with no interest in villa knows they won the european cup in 1982. the last time you did the double (which is the league championship and FA cup, dont argue about this, just accept it as fact) was 188 sommet. and wasnt the last time you won the league 1983 or sommet?
you claim to have all of this knowlege of football but dont know the basics about your own team. ::) ::) ::)
oh yeah, PATRICK VIEIRA is GOD and the best midfielder in the world
even the most biased man u fans and roy keane lovers *cough* jay *cough* would have to admit this ;)
You know, I think I'll get you a badge saying "Troll". You really are obsessed with insulting people, aren't you? You strange person.
In fact, I was doing a 60 hour day when I posted about when Villa won the double, etc. Then I checked it and saw we hadn't got the league cup that year. OF COURSE I KNEW WHEN WE WON THE EUROPEAN CUP. For God's sake, you are a retard.
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ROOOOOONEY
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ROOOOOONEY
Agreed.