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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: LarsVerb on January 03, 2014, 03:18:46 PM
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Part 3 of the interview with Death Row's Chief Engineer Rick Clifford.
It have some interesting stuff about Death Row going down, Crooked I and more.
In part 3 we talk about:
-2pac Was Supposed To Be In The Movie Star Wars
-2pac & Faith Evans
-Death Row Going Down
-The realist stealing 2pac songs
-Crooked I
-And More
Interview Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzvGQDxEPM
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Damn that's interesting
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+1. Lots of intriguing information in there. The "Chronic 2000" story was funny. He talks about going to the studio because he thought they were doing the new Dre album. He sort of sums up why that album didn't work and why Death Row was having trouble catching on at that time.
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I always felt like They Wanna Be Like Us from Chronic 2000 was a Pac and Snoop song that the Realest and Top Dogg bastardized. It's probably one of the tracks he was referring to.
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i some what dout they stole any tracks maybe they touched up a few tracks that were unfinished
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Never heard the Star Wars rumor before, don't believe it.
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I always felt like They Wanna Be Like Us from Chronic 2000 was a Pac and Snoop song that the Realest and Top Dogg bastardized. It's probably one of the tracks he was referring to.
I doubt it. Like other guy said, the interview points to the idea that they were touching up unfinished tracks and adding ad libs and things of that nature. I had heard rumors of this before but this was one of the first times I heard someone site examples.
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Was he gonna portray Bobba Fett? Or Darth Vader? Maybe a Sith Lord….
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He was supposedly going to read for Mace Windu, the part that ended up being played by Samuel L. Jackson. I've said this often. As much as people we're interested in what Pac would have done musically if he was still alive, I always wondered what he would have achieved as an actor. He was really starting to come into his own and was making a conscious effort to avoid being type-casted in the Bishop kind of roles he was doing up until that point.
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Never heard the Star Wars rumor before, don't believe it.
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He was supposedly going to read for Mace Windu, the part that ended up being played by Samuel L. Jackson. I've said this often. As much as people we're interested in what Pac would have done musically if he was still alive, I always wondered what he would have achieved as an actor. He was really starting to come into his own and was making a conscious effort to avoid being type-casted in the Bishop kind of roles he was doing up until that point.
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Mace Windu? now i know thats bull shit, just because 2pac is a bald nigga like jackson some one probably came up with that rumor.
lmfao
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Can't say if it is true or not but that is what Rick Clifford is claiming.
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Never heard the Star Wars rumor before, don't believe it.
Yea, it probably was a joke and he took it serious. No way. Maybe if he was still alive and matured.
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I always felt like They Wanna Be Like Us from Chronic 2000 was a Pac and Snoop song that the Realest and Top Dogg bastardized. It's probably one of the tracks he was referring to.
I doubt it. Like other guy said, the interview points to the idea that they were touching up unfinished tracks and adding ad libs and things of that nature. I had heard rumors of this before but this was one of the first times I heard someone site examples.
Who Do U Believe In ?
(YGD Tha Top Dawg featuring Eastwood)
(additional vocals : Tha Realest)
(produced by : Johnny J)
https://www.youtube.com/v/FCSSjwJiDHs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCSSjwJiDHs)
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He was supposedly going to read for Mace Windu, the part that ended up being played by Samuel L. Jackson. I've said this often. As much as people we're interested in what Pac would have done musically if he was still alive, I always wondered what he would have achieved as an actor. He was really starting to come into his own and was making a conscious effort to avoid being type-casted in the Bishop kind of roles he was doing up until that point.
I've read that Samuel L Jackson approached 2Pac on the set of one of his later films and handed him a script to check out - someone suggested that it could have been for a role in 'Jackie Brown'.
I've always felt that, had 2Pac not been killed, he definitely would have moved away from music and become more focused on acting. He probably would have been as big as Will Smith is today.
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I always felt like They Wanna Be Like Us from Chronic 2000 was a Pac and Snoop song that the Realest and Top Dogg bastardized. It's probably one of the tracks he was referring to.
I doubt it. Like other guy said, the interview points to the idea that they were touching up unfinished tracks and adding ad libs and things of that nature. I had heard rumors of this before but this was one of the first times I heard someone site examples.
Who Do U Believe In ?
(YGD Tha Top Dawg featuring Eastwood)
(additional vocals : Tha Realest)
(produced by : Johnny J)
https://www.youtube.com/v/FCSSjwJiDHs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCSSjwJiDHs)
thats not tha realest
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Yea, it probably was a joke and he took it serious. No way. Maybe if he was still alive and matured.
I think as an actor, he was really maturing. His last two roles in Gridlock'd and Gang Related were a real step in the right direction.
I've read that Samuel L Jackson approached 2Pac on the set of one of his later films and handed him a script to check out - someone suggested that it could have been for a role in 'Jackie Brown'.
I've always felt that, had 2Pac not been killed, he definitely would have moved away from music and become more focused on acting. He probably would have been as big as Will Smith is today.
Not sure if he would ever been as big as Smith but he probably would have made for a better overall actor. Just my opinion.
Only role I can think of in Jackie Brown that Jackson might have talked to him for would be Beaumont Livingston. It would be hard to imagine anyone but Chris Tucker in that but once again, it would be a great role for someone like Pac, because it's sort of break from the norm.
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I always felt like They Wanna Be Like Us from Chronic 2000 was a Pac and Snoop song that the Realest and Top Dogg bastardized. It's probably one of the tracks he was referring to.
I doubt it. Like other guy said, the interview points to the idea that they were touching up unfinished tracks and adding ad libs and things of that nature. I had heard rumors of this before but this was one of the first times I heard someone site examples.
But it doesn't mean that it wasn't a song that they re-did and recorded over, which is something that was talked about in the past. If you look at the lyrics, it looks far too much like a Pac and Snoop collaboration.
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Its crazy, this interview is worldwide news lol
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and the sad part of it is the embarrassment caused for tha realest cause of the titile
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Quite likely would have been as big as Smith. Will Smith was restricted to a Hip Hop TV show, although a very popular one, it wasn't until he got his big break through Bad Boys and Independence Day, big blockbusters that he stepped out. Remember back then, he was simply seen as some goofy comedy pop rapper. No one knew he would go on to become a huge hollywood A lister.
2Pac was at the height of Hip Hop, and already had a number of movies under his belt. Similar situation, vastly popular, but again restricted to Hip Hop (or gang) roles on screen. He was set to get his big break too
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But it's easier for someone like Will Smith at that time to have been considered for more outside-of-the-box roles. Yeah, he was perceived as a goofy pop rapper, but he was already a household name in family settings with few negative aspects of his persona. It's not to say Pac would never get those types of roles, but it would've taken him longer to get them, unless he really cleaned up his act and helped wash away the dirty image of being a gangsta rapper who had been shot, imprisoned, etc. with a laundry list of legal problems and bad press.
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But it's easier for someone like Will Smith at that time to have been considered for more outside-of-the-box roles. Yeah, he was perceived as a goofy pop rapper, but he was already a household name in family settings with few negative aspects of his persona. It's not to say Pac would never get those types of roles, but it would've taken him longer to get them, unless he really cleaned up his act and helped wash away the dirty image of being a gangsta rapper who had been shot, imprisoned, etc. with a laundry list of legal problems and bad press.
this, and even then, studios weren't willing to cast a black guy for independence day, it took a great deal of negotiating, gambling and of luck to convince them to cast will smith, a friendly type of guy who as you said had never had a negative image, even when he was a full blown rap artist.
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ice cube did it and he wasn't a family type dude like will smith
pac woulda definitely been huge as an actor, guaranteed...prolly woulda been doin voiceovers for movies like shrek n shit.
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ice cube did it and he wasn't a family type dude like will smith
pac woulda definitely been huge as an actor, guaranteed...prolly woulda been doin voiceovers for movies like shrek n shit.
Cube had to soften his image a little before the roles really came and let's also keep in mind that he is vastly different from Pac. As it is, Cube is still nowhere near Smith's level in terms of box office appeal so it's a questionable comparison anyway. Pac had already beaten up a limo driver during the filming of his "In Living Color" bit and assaulted the Hughes Brothers after they dropped him from "Menace". Hollywood is a different animal than music. I think, just in the five or so films he did, Pac had a better range than Smith and would have been a more versatile actor but I'm not sure he ever would have been a $300 million dollar weekend guy with his own action figures and Burger King cups. Who knows though?
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For real tho, Pac woulda had his own talk show by now and starred in the last 20 Tyler Perry movies. I'm almost sure of the talkl show thing because he liked to run his mouth a lot and he was effeminate. He should have Ellen's timeslot.
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ice cube did it and he wasn't a family type dude like will smith
pac woulda definitely been huge as an actor, guaranteed...prolly woulda been doin voiceovers for movies like shrek n shit.
Cube had to soften his image a little before the roles really came and let's also keep in mind that he is vastly different from Pac. As it is, Cube is still nowhere near Smith's level in terms of box office appeal so it's a questionable comparison anyway. Pac had already beaten up a limo driver during the filming of his "In Living Color" bit and assaulted the Hughes Brothers after they dropped him from "Menace". Hollywood is a different animal than music. I think, just in the five or so films he did, Pac had a better range than Smith and would have been a more versatile actor but I'm not sure he ever would have been a $300 million dollar weekend guy with his own action figures and Burger King cups. Who knows though?
i believe the possibilities were endless for pac
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ice cube did it and he wasn't a family type dude like will smith
pac woulda definitely been huge as an actor, guaranteed...prolly woulda been doin voiceovers for movies like shrek n shit.
Cube had to soften his image a little before the roles really came and let's also keep in mind that he is vastly different from Pac. As it is, Cube is still nowhere near Smith's level in terms of box office appeal so it's a questionable comparison anyway. Pac had already beaten up a limo driver during the filming of his "In Living Color" bit and assaulted the Hughes Brothers after they dropped him from "Menace". Hollywood is a different animal than music. I think, just in the five or so films he did, Pac had a better range than Smith and would have been a more versatile actor but I'm not sure he ever would have been a $300 million dollar weekend guy with his own action figures and Burger King cups. Who knows though?
But with Cube, he's just not that good of an actor. Not bad, but it's hard to take him seriously outside of his usual roles. He won't get any serious roles that really push the envelope, unlike someone like Jamie Foxx who has showcased his abilities and got some legit roles, like when he played Ray Charles. I think he's also playing the next villain in the new Spider-Man movie too.
In his 20s, Pac would've been terrible to work with. When he had roles with more serious actors (and not just an all-black cast on a street movie either), he was good at what he did but not as serious about his craft. Jim Belushi said that he was always pissed that Pac would show up to the set late (and generally be tired from recording music and/or partying the night before) and want to take as few takes as possible, contrasting him wanting to film as many takes as necessary to get the "right" shot.
Pac was good at conveying extreme emotions (usually angry ones, like when his character in Gang Related just blew up and tore up his own apartment), and while he could manufacture tears, I had trouble imagining him take on some roles taken on by other black actors. I couldn't really imagine him in Higher Learning doing Omar Epps' scenes, like when he was crying in Laurence Fishburne's arms, or doing some of Smith's more demanding scenes from Pursuit of Happiness (i.e. crying in the locked bathroom or when he was offered the job at the end).
But maybe it was just his style... imagine him with his hair grown out (like in that jail interview or the deposition), and it's a little more believable.
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I don't really see what the length of his hair has to do with acting range. I think he could have easily done that "Pursuit" role. I truthfully find Will Smith a little overrated as an actor. He's box office gold but he has movie star baggage and there are few roles that he can really disappear into. I can think of almost no films he's done where I wasn't aware that I was watching some version of Uncle Phil's crazy nephew from Philly up on that screen. I don't think he's in the category of someone like a Denzel or Morgan Freeman or Sam Jackson.
I think Pac could be more of a Don Cheadle type. Cheadle's roles in Bulworth and Out of Sight especially reminded me of the sort of parts Pac would play early on. Pac was starting to venture out. "Gang Related" was that rare chance he got to play a part minus the bravado. He plays a crooked cop whose nerves do him in. Most rappers wouldn't touch that one.
I don't think Ice Cube's problem is him not being that good of an actor. I feel he's a little weighed down by his image. For instance, in Barbershop, there was talk of him petitioning to try to change the ending so his character shoots the pimp that he sold his father's shop to. To me, that feels like a need to have his harder image projected than in looking at a real way to play the character. I think the problem with rappers as actors is many of them are only interested in playing the kind of fantasy characters they display in their videos. They very rarely are comfortable with showcasing things like fear or self-doubt.
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I don't really see what the length of his hair has to do with acting range.
lol