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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on February 02, 2014, 09:52:03 PM
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Daz RRGB deserved to go platinum, it was a high quality Death Row album like all the others that went platinum, and it had a sure-fire single with "In California". So imagine if things had gone the way they should of how great it would of been for Death Row, West Coast, and hiphop in general...
-Daz would've been a star thus solidifying himself as the new face of Death Row and the West Coast.
-Snoop would've seen Daz success and never dared to sign with No Limit. He would've stayed with his cousin and Death Row. The Game Is to Be Sold album would've never dropped, and instead an album like Topp Dogg would've been released with Daz and Soopafly produced songs like "Hooked" only not with the name "Hooked" cause it never would've appeared on the No Limit soundtrack the song would've been called "Snoop DOGG"
-Dre would've been working with Snoop and thus appeared on a Death Row album once more. This would've brought peace between him and Suge and thus Death Row would've been a part of the West resurgence with the Up In Smoke Tour and everything else.
-with all Daz juice comin off the platinum solo album he would've been able to release The Gang album with him, Tray Dee, Bad Azz and others. That shit would've gone platinum and been like a Dogg Food part 2 and West Coast classic. This would've catapulted Tray Dee to fame and he would've released his own platinum solo album under his deal with Sony.
-With all the juice Daz had, Soopafly was his main man, so Dat Woopty Woop would've gotten the spotlight it deserved and the album would've garnered another platinum plaque for Death Row.
-by 2002 suge would've gotten out of prison just in time for a new Dogg Pound release. It would've been called Doog Food 2 and sold platinum
-Now with Suge running shit again and Snoop never signing with No Limit, the South never emerges to be a force in the industry. Thus the West has a continued run at the top of the industry that started in 92 and lives on till today.
...All this if MTV would've just fuckin gave the "In California" video a few more spins so it could've caught on. Radio would've followed and next thing you know you got a hit song and another hit to follow with "Might Sound Crazy". Daz goes down in history as the second greatest producer of all-time and Top 5 Emcee.
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Dreaming bro.
Whilst i can see where you are coming from to an extent, i cant really agree.
Snoop left deathrow before daz's album came out.
Dre would NOT have worked with deathrow again.
No limit top dogg is a classic album.
No limit were running things BEFORE Snoop signed.
Daz's album is great though and should have sold better. But it was a fake deathrow album in a way. Snoop and nate and kurupt had all left already and Tupac was dead(the album kind of portrayed that they were still all together). I cant believe how long the south has been big though. Longer than the west and east put together now, it feels like anyhow..
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None of that shit would have happened. Snoop would still have left, Pac would still be dead, Dre would still be doing his own thing, and Suge would still be locked up. A platinum album doesn't change anything. Doggfather went double platinum and opened at #1 and that didn't create new stars or keep Snoop at the label. MTV playing Daz's video a few times would not have magically doubled the record sales to the point where it went platinum and in the off chance that it did, it would still change very little about how people felt about the label.
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None of that shit would have happened. Snoop would still have left, Pac would still be dead, Dre would still be doing his own thing, and Suge would still be locked up. A platinum album doesn't change anything. Doggfather went double platinum and opened at #1 and that didn't create new stars or keep Snoop at the label. MTV playing Daz's video a few times would not have magically doubled the record sales to the point where it went platinum and in the off chance that it did, it would still change very little about how people felt about the label.
The Doggfather may have sold well because Snoop was the biggest living name in rap at the time, but that shit was still considered a flop and was a huge step backwards for Death Row, the West Coast, and gangsta rap.
At the very least it would've meant that The Gang album would've came out and possibly Soopafly would've released That Woopty Woo on Death Row and gotten some more shine with the album.
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imagine if= bullshit thread...
sorry bro.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/d0lFy0F-8Yo
maybe record a new version of this song?
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imagine if= bullshit thread...
sorry bro.
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imagine if= bullshit thread...
sorry bro.
So the fall of Death Row, of the West Coast, of Gangsta rap... isn't worth discussing?
...I don't think you all understand the significance of this album, and what was riding on its success or failure.
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imagine if= bullshit thread...
sorry bro.
So the fall of Death Row, of the West Coast, of Gangsta rap... isn't worth discussing?
...I don't think you all understand the significance of this album, and what was riding on its success or failure.
yes, all death row discussion in 2014 is worth to discuss.
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Snoop was already all but signed to No Limit at the end of 97. He was on Mystikal's 97 album "Unpredictable" and the first words he said on the track was "it's No Limit." Nate was gone, Kurupt was gone, and Dre damn sure would not have appeared on any Death Row albums. The only reason Snoop and Dre did collab again in 99 is cause Damizza made it happen, and it damn sure wouldn't have happened if Snoop stayed at Death Row.
It was inevitable, there was no way to keep that train going with Dre gone, Pac murdered, and Suge in jail. As someone else said, NL Top Dogg was a classic and I think it all worked out fine. Daz and Kurupt were still very relevant going into the early 2000's, and 1999 was as big a year for Westcoast rap as any year. Snoop, Dre, Kurupt and Quik all dropped gems that sold very well. In hindsight, Chronic 2001 never probably would have dropped, or if it did it wouldn't have been half as good if Snoop stayed on Death Row. That album without Snoop is a completely different album.
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Left Overs From That LP Would Be Crazy
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Wow, you have a good imagination bro. Lol. I disagree with your timeline of what could have happened. You might be smoking to much.
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this is why we canīt have nice things
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Infinite, you wanna suck off daz don't you? That album is average as fuck.
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imagine if= bullshit thread...
sorry bro.
Man, Infinite's threads are hilarious...y'all should remember them the next time you diss me or Mr. Theo for being big fans of DJ Quik...Infinite makes the DJ Quik fans on this forum look apathetic by comparison!
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The Doggfather may have sold well because Snoop was the biggest living name in rap at the time, but that shit was still considered a flop and was a huge step backwards for Death Row, the West Coast, and gangsta rap.
The point is if Snoop having a double-platinum #1 album on Death Row was not enough to keep him onboard, this hypothetical scenario where Daz sells like half that would not have changed his mind. Death Row was going backwards because Suge was not around to steer the ship.
Gangsta rap was fading because it had been the trend for almost 10 years and styles were changing. Even when Pac was alive, they were pushing the nice suits and R&B songs with Danny Boy and Jodeci. They weren't doing pistols and 40's at cook-outs in Compton anymore. The styles were getting more lavish. Snoop, for whatever people may say, had a direction to him at the time. He could do that smoother shit. But there was too much of a divide to really make it work.
I can't say with any certainty that if Suge was still on the streets in 1997 that he could have turned it around after losing Dre to Interscope and Pac getting killed but without him around, there was just no chance.
At the very least it would've meant that The Gang album would've came out and possibly Soopafly would've released That Woopty Woo on Death Row and gotten some more shine with the album.
There is no guarantee of any of that. If there was a buzz, it would have been pursued but once Snoop was out, that DPG/LBC clique was missing its spokesperson.
...I don't think you all understand the significance of this album, and what was riding on its success or failure.
Very little was riding on it. The album came out in 1998. At that point, they were just trying to keep the established roster happy. Daz, Mich'elle, Rage, had not been much of a priority in 1996 so my guess was their albums were put out to basically appease them. This wasn't "Chronic", "Doggystyle", or "All Eyez On Me" where the momentum was there. Musically, there wasn't a fresh direction they were following.
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Whatever it could happen back in 1997-98, without Dre or 2Pac or Interscope, Death Row Records has no longer potential to create and release a classic album.
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Snoop was already all but signed to No Limit at the end of 97. He was on Mystikal's 97 album "Unpredictable" and the first words he said on the track was "it's No Limit." Nate was gone, Kurupt was gone, and Dre damn sure would not have appeared on any Death Row albums. The only reason Snoop and Dre did collab again in 99 is cause Damizza made it happen, and it damn sure wouldn't have happened if Snoop stayed at Death Row.
It was inevitable, there was no way to keep that train going with Dre gone, Pac murdered, and Suge in jail. As someone else said, NL Top Dogg was a classic and I think it all worked out fine. Daz and Kurupt were still very relevant going into the early 2000's, and 1999 was as big a year for Westcoast rap as any year. Snoop, Dre, Kurupt and Quik all dropped gems that sold very well. In hindsight, Chronic 2001 never probably would have dropped, or if it did it wouldn't have been half as good if Snoop stayed on Death Row. That album without Snoop is a completely different album.
Point made thread closed
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Daz ruined his own career.
No Snoop..No Suge..No Dre.. No Pac dead.
It's Daz..if this man were focused on making music, his "top 5" of all time would be safe.
But dude is a legend..the energy he brought to Freddie Gibbs "F.A.M.E" is insaneee.
He got chemistry w/ "new school" rappers ..like Gibbs,Currensy.. i hope more tracks between him and Gibbs.
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As someone else said, NL Top Dogg was a classic and I think it all worked out fine.
I never said No Limit Top Dogg was a bad album. What I said was that Snoop fucked around, wasted his time, tarnished his legacy and integrity with The Game Is To Be Sold album. The Top Dogg album on the other hand, was basically the West Coast version of Snoop we all wanted to here, and I think all of us were satisfied with that album. We also got to see him reunite with Dre. I loved that album from the day it dropped.
All I was saying was that had Daz album succeeded, things might have been different for Snoop as well. You guys are all saying he already left Death Row and was signed with No Limit when Daz album dropped, but then again you all are mostly illiterate pieces of shit.
I have the damn magazine to prove that shit and I have had it since the month the magazine came out. The magazine has Snoop on the cover, and Daz Revenge Retaliation Get Back album is the second biggest story in the magazine as well. Snoop was basically stranded at the time. He still had contractual hangups with Death Row, he was not totally free from Death Row. Had Daz album blown up, Snoop may have stuck around the West Coast and possibly even reconciled with Death Row. He could've bypassed the disastrous The Game album and stuck with the West Coast bangers he had at the time like "Hooked" (produced by Soopafly who was Daz main man at the time and co-producer of RRGB) and the shit that eventually became the Top Dogg album.
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As someone else said, NL Top Dogg was a classic and I think it all worked out fine.
I never said No Limit Top Dogg was a bad album. What I said was that Snoop fucked around, wasted his time, tarnished his legacy and integrity with The Game Is To Be Sold album. The Top Dogg album on the other hand, was basically the West Coast version of Snoop we all wanted to here, and I think all of us were satisfied with that album. We also got to see him reunite with Dre. I loved that album from the day it dropped.
All I was saying was that had Daz album succeeded, things might have been different for Snoop as well. You guys are all saying he already left Death Row and was signed with No Limit when Daz album dropped, but then again you all are mostly illiterate pieces of shit.
I have the damn magazine to prove that shit and I have had it since the month the magazine came out. The magazine has Snoop on the cover, and Daz Revenge Retaliation Get Back album is the second biggest story in the magazine as well. Snoop was basically stranded at the time. He still had contractual hangups with Death Row, he was not totally free from Death Row. Had Daz album blown up, Snoop may have stuck around the West Coast and possibly even reconciled with Death Row, He could've bypassed the disastrous The Game album and stuck with the West Coast bangers he had at the time like "Hooked" (produced by Soopafly who was Daz main man at the time and co-producer of RRGB) and the shit that eventually became the Top Dogg album.
:o :o :o :o
Speculations ahoy. You speak in counterfactuals, good sir
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Daz couldn't go platinum if he had 2Pac and Snoop Dogg verses with a Nate Dogg hook on a Dre produced single
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Daz couldn't go platinum if he had 2Pac and Snoop Dogg verses with a Nate Dogg hook on a Dre produced single
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Daz can't go platinum?
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Tha Dogg Pound went Platinum, not Daz Dillinger
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Daz RRGB deserved to go platinum, it was a high quality Death Row album like all the others that went platinum, and it had a sure-fire single with "In California". So imagine if things had gone the way they should of how great it would of been for Death Row, West Coast, and hiphop in general...
-Daz would've been a star thus solidifying himself as the new face of Death Row and the West Coast.
-Snoop would've seen Daz success and never dared to sign with No Limit. He would've stayed with his cousin and Death Row. The Game Is to Be Sold album would've never dropped, and instead an album like Topp Dogg would've been released with Daz and Soopafly produced songs like "Hooked" only not with the name "Hooked" cause it never would've appeared on the No Limit soundtrack the song would've been called "Snoop DOGG"
-Dre would've been working with Snoop and thus appeared on a Death Row album once more. This would've brought peace between him and Suge and thus Death Row would've been a part of the West resurgence with the Up In Smoke Tour and everything else.
-with all Daz juice comin off the platinum solo album he would've been able to release The Gang album with him, Tray Dee, Bad Azz and others. That shit would've gone platinum and been like a Dogg Food part 2 and West Coast classic. This would've catapulted Tray Dee to fame and he would've released his own platinum solo album under his deal with Sony.
-With all the juice Daz had, Soopafly was his main man, so Dat Woopty Woop would've gotten the spotlight it deserved and the album would've garnered another platinum plaque for Death Row.
-by 2002 suge would've gotten out of prison just in time for a new Dogg Pound release. It would've been called Doog Food 2 and sold platinum
-Now with Suge running shit again and Snoop never signing with No Limit, the South never emerges to be a force in the industry. Thus the West has a continued run at the top of the industry that started in 92 and lives on till today.
...All this if MTV would've just fuckin gave the "In California" video a few more spins so it could've caught on. Radio would've followed and next thing you know you got a hit song and another hit to follow with "Might Sound Crazy". Daz goes down in history as the second greatest producer of all-time and Top 5 Emcee.
im not going to Imagine daz going platinum cause its never going to happen that boat left years and years ago u people here need to stop imaging this is not 1996
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"in california" was a halfass attempt at a radio hit and thats why it didnt blow up
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As someone else said, NL Top Dogg was a classic and I think it all worked out fine.
I never said No Limit Top Dogg was a bad album. What I said was that Snoop fucked around, wasted his time, tarnished his legacy and integrity with The Game Is To Be Sold album. The Top Dogg album on the other hand, was basically the West Coast version of Snoop we all wanted to here, and I think all of us were satisfied with that album. We also got to see him reunite with Dre. I loved that album from the day it dropped.
All I was saying was that had Daz album succeeded, things might have been different for Snoop as well. You guys are all saying he already left Death Row and was signed with No Limit when Daz album dropped, but then again you all are mostly illiterate pieces of shit.
I have the damn magazine to prove that shit and I have had it since the month the magazine came out. The magazine has Snoop on the cover, and Daz Revenge Retaliation Get Back album is the second biggest story in the magazine as well. Snoop was basically stranded at the time. He still had contractual hangups with Death Row, he was not totally free from Death Row. Had Daz album blown up, Snoop may have stuck around the West Coast and possibly even reconciled with Death Row. He could've bypassed the disastrous The Game album and stuck with the West Coast bangers he had at the time like "Hooked" (produced by Soopafly who was Daz main man at the time and co-producer of RRGB) and the shit that eventually became the Top Dogg album.
So you have forgotten that whilst Snoop dogg was "stranded" he put out songs like "fuck deathrow"? While Daz was still over there?
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im not going to Imagine daz going platinum cause its never going to happen that boat left years and years ago u people here need to stop imaging this is not 1996
I think about 1996 nearly every damn day
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I think about 1996 nearly every damn day
:'(
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So you have forgotten that whilst Snoop dogg was "stranded" he put out songs like "fuck deathrow"? While Daz was still over there?
I haven't forgotten shit, in fact I have the magazine sitting right next to me right here, so I know exactly what Snoop's state of mind was at the time of the release of Daz Revenge Retaliation and Get Back.
His state of mind was that he was confused about his situation, and where he stood with Death Row. He didn't like that they blocked him from doing songs with other artists, so he decided it was time to come out of hiding and strike out on his own. "Fuck Death Row" was not really a big diss record. Dude wasn't talkin much shit on that track for those that have heard it. In fact, he was just pretty much in the dark about his situation.
Fact of the matter was, nothing was set in stone. He still had contractual hangups with Death Row, he still had not yet signed with Master P, and his relationship with Suge was still up in the air.
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So you have forgotten that whilst Snoop dogg was "stranded" he put out songs like "fuck deathrow"? While Daz was still over there?
I haven't forgotten shit, in fact I have the magazine sitting right next to me right here, so I know exactly what Snoop's state of mind was at the time of the release of Daz Revenge Retaliation and Get Back.
His state of mind was that he was confused about his situation, and where he stood with Death Row. He didn't like that they blocked him from doing songs with other artists, so he decided it was time to come out of hiding and strike out on his own. "Fuck Death Row" was not really a big diss record. Dude wasn't talkin much shit on that track for those that have heard it. In fact, he was just pretty much in the dark about his situation.
Fact of the matter was, nothing was set in stone. He still had contractual hangups with Death Row, he still had not yet signed with Master P, and his relationship with Suge was still up in the air.
"i own a magazine so i know exactly what snoop's state of mind was" youre such an idiot its sickening
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So you have forgotten that whilst Snoop dogg was "stranded" he put out songs like "fuck deathrow"? While Daz was still over there?
I haven't forgotten shit, in fact I have the magazine sitting right next to me right here, so I know exactly what Snoop's state of mind was at the time of the release of Daz Revenge Retaliation and Get Back.
His state of mind was that he was confused about his situation, and where he stood with Death Row. He didn't like that they blocked him from doing songs with other artists, so he decided it was time to come out of hiding and strike out on his own. "Fuck Death Row" was not really a big diss record. Dude wasn't talkin much shit on that track for those that have heard it. In fact, he was just pretty much in the dark about his situation.
Fact of the matter was, nothing was set in stone. He still had contractual hangups with Death Row, he still had not yet signed with Master P, and his relationship with Suge was still up in the air.
"i own a magazine so i know exactly what snoop's state of mind was" youre such an idiot its sickening
lol
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I remember you had a dream about Suge, Infinite. Have you ever had a dream about Daz?
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So you have forgotten that whilst Snoop dogg was "stranded" he put out songs like "fuck deathrow"? While Daz was still over there?
I haven't forgotten shit, in fact I have the magazine sitting right next to me right here, so I know exactly what Snoop's state of mind was at the time of the release of Daz Revenge Retaliation and Get Back.
His state of mind was that he was confused about his situation, and where he stood with Death Row. He didn't like that they blocked him from doing songs with other artists, so he decided it was time to come out of hiding and strike out on his own. "Fuck Death Row" was not really a big diss record. Dude wasn't talkin much shit on that track for those that have heard it. In fact, he was just pretty much in the dark about his situation.
Fact of the matter was, nothing was set in stone. He still had contractual hangups with Death Row, he still had not yet signed with Master P, and his relationship with Suge was still up in the air.
i just read your post now i know your state of mind :D
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wow, like one fuckin album could really change the history of hip hop... yeah fuckin right
RRGB is a classic WEST COAST album, nothing more.... im sure not allot of people outside of this forum even know the fuckin album exist's nowadays
you give this album way to much credit then it deserves... your fuckin delusional
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AndNo.. none that I can recall. I had one of Suge where it turned out he's a very generous and hospitable brother.... had a dream about Pac, but he was performing on stage so I didn't get to meet him. I had a dream about Mob Deep and they were sitting in a cafateria eating lunch, happened to be my daycare cafateria....
The closest I ever came to having a dream about Daz was when I had a dream about Bill Bellamy and he was dropping some knowledge to me about how the Illuminati conspired against Pac and Suge and that was why they didn't give Daz video and other Death Row, West Coast videos/songs more airplay, that Pacs death was a conspiracy and that Suge was sabatoged
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AndNo.. none that I can recall. I had one of Suge where it turned out he's a very generous and hospitable brother.... had a dream about Pac, but he was performing on stage so I didn't get to meet him. I had a dream about Mob Deep and they were sitting in a cafateria eating lunch, happened to be my daycare cafateria....
The closest I ever came to having a dream about Daz was when I had a dream about Bill Bellamy and he was dropping some knowledge to me about how the Illuminati conspired against Pac and Suge and that was why they didn't give Daz video and other Death Row, West Coast videos/songs more airplay, that Pacs death was a conspiracy and that Suge was sabatoged
Everybody knows that dreams are actually messages from your brain that hold truth. You should write Suge a letter sometime and explain to him how he, you, and Bill Bellamy need to team up and destroy the Illuminati.
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Dreams do reveal the truth because they are devoid of ego and other barriers that keep us from dealing with reality directly.
They are also devoid of any social hierarchys that may exist. Like, you may tell yourself you like your boss because you know it will be easier to deal with them at work. But dreams strip down all barriers and everyone becomes equal. You are capable of anything and they are capable of anything. You could be the boss in the dream.
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I'd get arrested if the shit that happens in my dreams were real.
I cant lie though, Ive had dreams about rappers too lol..
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Dreams do reveal the truth because they are devoid of ego and other barriers that keep us from dealing with reality directly.
They are also devoid of any social hierarchys that may exist. Like, you may tell yourself you like your boss because you know it will be easier to deal with them at work. But dreams strip down all barriers and everyone becomes equal. You are capable of anything and they are capable of anything. You could be the boss in the dream.
On point! Also means that the true character of any person is revealed to you while dreaming, no matter if you ever met that person or not.
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Dreams do reveal the truth because they are devoid of ego and other barriers that keep us from dealing with reality directly.
They are also devoid of any social hierarchys that may exist. Like, you may tell yourself you like your boss because you know it will be easier to deal with them at work. But dreams strip down all barriers and everyone becomes equal. You are capable of anything and they are capable of anything. You could be the boss in the dream.
I think you're mistaking "truth" with "true personal feelings"
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would have rather had a 2nd Dogg Pound album, not saying it would have sold more but would have been nice to have a whole another album of Kurupt in his prime
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AndNo.. none that I can recall. I had one of Suge where it turned out he's a very generous and hospitable brother.... had a dream about Pac, but he was performing on stage so I didn't get to meet him. I had a dream about Mob Deep and they were sitting in a cafateria eating lunch, happened to be my daycare cafateria....
The closest I ever came to having a dream about Daz was when I had a dream about Bill Bellamy and he was dropping some knowledge to me about how the Illuminati conspired against Pac and Suge and that was why they didn't give Daz video and other Death Row, West Coast videos/songs more airplay, that Pacs death was a conspiracy and that Suge was sabatoged
Everybody knows that dreams are actually messages from your brain that hold truth. You should write Suge a letter sometime and explain to him how he, you, and Bill Bellamy need to team up and destroy the Illuminati.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Dreams do reveal the truth because they are devoid of ego and other barriers that keep us from dealing with reality directly.
In some cases, yes, but this is not always the case. I have dreams where I've knocked out Mike Tyson-caliber people and slept with A-list actresses. That is neither devoid of ego or dealing with reality directly. Sometimes, if you repress emotions then yes, they can show up in your dreams but you're reaching with a lot of that.
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"in california" was a halfass attempt at a radio hit and thats why it didnt blow up
it was a nice song but nothing about it made it stand out from your average DPG single
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it was an average album overall but still a west coast classic... a hip hop classic i wouldnt go that far
but yet im not as fuckin delusional as Infinite
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I do remember loving the album alot, an older dude that was like the big homie (lol), i played it too him and the beat on the very first track was like WHOA! and i had a hot little 15 year old girl friend at the time and we made out with album in tha back ground, "it might sound crazy" eh heh lol
But the album got a bit average and whack towards the end.
"thank god for my life" was just about the whackest track i had ever heard at the time and there was one other really whack track on there too. Even the tacks with W.C and Mc Eiht were average compared to the first half of the album.
I did love the album though. But Daz has better albums. "this is the life i lead" is his best. "dpgc u know what iam throwin up" is up there and of course as is "raw".
But yeah i wasn't so upset at the fall of deathrow at the time, i was glad kurupt was a bigish part of daz's album and daz did production on "kuruption"
I think i was pretty disappointed that there was a lack of DPG and Snoop on Kuruption but i loved that album too and i think it possibly better than the Daz solo.
I mean it was disappointing that Snoop was putting out albums with no to little dpg and dpg with no snoop but i got over it.
Give me the nmatez an i'll be happy.
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Give me the nmatez an i'll be happy.
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LMAO at the thread
U do raise a couple good 'what ifs' doe