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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on February 13, 2014, 01:12:50 AM
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Too bad Method Man never had a classic solo album. When you listen to some of his singles like "Bring the Pain" or "Judgement Day" it's pretty clear he had it in him to create a classic solo, yet he never did.
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what about Tical?? that ain't a classic??? The others ara just aight or ok albums, but that one!
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Tical is a classic!
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Too bad Method Man never had a classic solo album. When you listen to some of his singles like "Bring the Pain" or "Judgement Day" it's pretty clear he had it in him to create a classic solo, yet he never did.
What the fuck are you talking about? Tical was a classic. You are trippin.
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Tical was a classic, this thread is retarded
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
Only 1 classic duo album????? ever, for ever ever, for ever ever?
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
Only 1 classic duo album????? ever, for ever ever, for ever ever?
Exactly... Dogg Food, Atliens, Stankonia... those are certainly classic duo albums.
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
There's 3 Outkast albums that disagree.
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outkast is a group. Method Man and Redman is two solo rapper who make dou albums.
not the same.
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
yeah Tical was solid but wasn't a classic, 4:21 was honestly a better album to me
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
yeah Tical was solid but wasn't a classic, 4:21 was honestly a better album to me
4:21 sucked compare to the classic Tical.
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
Only 1 classic duo album????? ever, for ever ever, for ever ever?
Exactly... Dogg Food, Atliens, Stankonia... those are certainly classic duo albums.
Stankonia is not a classic . It is one of Outkast's weakest albums.
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
Only 1 classic duo album????? ever, for ever ever, for ever ever?
Exactly... Dogg Food, Atliens, Stankonia... those are certainly classic duo albums.
Stankonia is not a classic . It is one of Outkast's weakest albums.
I think that ATLiens is certainly a classic. I won't argue with you if you don't think Stankonia is a classic. I'm sort of on the fence with that one. ATLiens is the only certifiable classic album from Outkast, in my opinion.
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
yeah Tical was solid but wasn't a classic, 4:21 was honestly a better album to me
4:21 sucked compare to the classic Tical.
how?
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
yeah Tical was solid but wasn't a classic, 4:21 was honestly a better album to me
Nah, give me Tical over 4:21 anyday, although I do remember bumping 4:21 quite a bit when it came out.
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I look at Tical as an east coast classic, nothing more than that. Peeps can hate on me but 2000 was always my shit 8)
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I look at Tical as an east coast classic, nothing more than that. Peeps can hate on me but 2000 was always my shit 8)
i love Judgement Day and Torture...and Break ups to make ups.
....but the rest of tical 2000 was meh
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I look at Tical as an east coast classic, nothing more than that. Peeps can hate on me but 2000 was always my shit 8)
i love Judgement Day and Torture...and Break ups to make ups.
....but the rest of tical 2000 was meh
To this day I don't understand why people feel 2000 is weak. That whole album is bangin with those shaolin & hardcore east coast beats. Plus its mainly Wu-Tang features. To me the skits are really the only thing holding this album down.
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maybe i'll give it a re listen
but those 3 songs are the only ones i still bump on a consistent basis.
man ,i love those 3 songs though. judgement day particularly...one of the first songs i got into when i was like 10 or 11.
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maybe i'll give it a re listen
but those 3 songs are the only ones i still bump on a consistent basis.
man ,i love those 3 songs though. judgement day particularly...one of the first songs i got into when i was like 10 or 11.
Yeah it is classic but I could never get past the question: Why in the hell did he repeat his verses?? It ruins it for me every time I listen to the song.
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You're not dead yet?
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I look at Tical as an east coast classic, nothing more than that. Peeps can hate on me but 2000 was always my shit 8)
i love Judgement Day and Torture...and Break ups to make ups.
....but the rest of tical 2000 was meh
To this day I don't understand why people feel 2000 is weak. That whole album is bangin with those shaolin & hardcore east coast beats. Plus its mainly Wu-Tang features. To me the skits are really the only thing holding this album down.
Agreed. I didnt like it when it first came out but I kinda look at it like how DoggFather was for Snoop.
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
yeah Tical was solid but wasn't a classic, 4:21 was honestly a better album to me
Nah, give me Tical over 4:21 anyday, although I do remember bumping 4:21 quite a bit when it came out.
Tical is definitely structured better but 4:21 I guess you can say is more of a personal classic of mine, some of those songs I still jam weekly
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
Man wtf?
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
Man wtf?
lmao
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Tical a very good album indeed but, i must admit i didn't love it AS much as most people did when it first came out.
T2 is a fucking awesoem album, love that album. I guess its kinda long and maybe has some filler but its dope as fuck. It is strange how it was not very liked when it came out. I think it was around the time when the standard for wu tang was dropping.
It was kind of like Snoops doggfatha in the way that people didn't seem to feel it or it didn't live up to expectations? It is an album that i re visit.
Hey Mc Eiht and Spice-1 did a classic duo "the pioneers"
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ok, again for the last time: dogg pound, MOP, Mobb Deep, OutKast etc. they are GROUPS with 2 members. They makin group albums NOT duo albums.
Even 8ball and mjg and CNN are groups too not duo albums.
Pioneers is a really good and really strong album. Good for both catalouge, but classic? No. Most of the people, the hiphop or rap music listeners ain't know about it.
(IMO the new season with Brotha lynch is better than pioneers)
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Cant remember if i ever ended up getting the Eiht/Lynch cd.
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what WHat, WHAT? ;D
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
yeah Tical was solid but wasn't a classic, 4:21 was honestly a better album to me
4:21 sucked compare to the classic Tical.
how?
The beats were trash compared to Tical. Tical has better beats & rhymes all together.
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I agree with Brian on this one. I don't think Tical was classic by any definition, and I like Meth a lot. To me the best rapper to never make a classic album, or any album lol is gotta be Crooked I
Okay, but he made one classic group album (1st wu-tang) and the only classic duo album ever the blackout.
Outkast first 3 albums are classics then it all started going down hill.
Only 1 classic duo album????? ever, for ever ever, for ever ever?
Exactly... Dogg Food, Atliens, Stankonia... those are certainly classic duo albums.
Stankonia is not a classic . It is one of Outkast's weakest albums.
I think that ATLiens is certainly a classic. I won't argue with you if you don't think Stankonia is a classic. I'm sort of on the fence with that one. ATLiens is the only certifiable classic album from Outkast, in my opinion.
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I like Tical a lot, but I do think Method Man's solo career has been pretty disappointing overall for someone as talented as he is. A top-notch Method Man verse sounds just about as good as anyone's IMO
yeah Tical was solid but wasn't a classic, 4:21 was honestly a better album to me
4:21 sucked compare to the classic Tical.
how?
The beats were trash compared to Tical. Tical has better beats & rhymes all together.
the beats were definitely grimier on Tical but come on now calling the production trash on 4:21 is a stretch you need to go listen to "Presidential" again :o
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Tical is borderline classic IMO but I see what the OP is saying...Meth is too good of a rapper not to have better solo material
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Tical is borderline classic IMO but I see what the OP is saying...Meth is too good of a rapper not to have better solo material
he should drop a release of previously unused songs from the 90's
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At the time "Bring The Pain" was making noise I remember my homies and I were so into Death Row and Dogg Pound was about to drop at the time. But "Bring The Pain" was probably the East Coast shit we were most into. Being young and a fan of hip-hop it was like Method Man fucking lived in the underground subways and a crew just came to film him there, lol. That video was the shit. Another East Coast video we were into at the time was AZ "Sugar Hill". This was from the good ol days when YoMTVRaps used to come on at midnight on Fridays 8)
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no way imho was tical classic. it had bangerz but not classic status. but thx for reminding me about it im going to rock it in my ride tonight. 421 got the most play for me as a album by METH.
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I bought 2000 when it came out and was actually really digging it at the time. Now, I am lukewarm to it. But 2000 has it's place and I really enjoyed it at the time.
I agree that Tical isn't a hip-hop classic. It's an Eastcoast classic in the same way that Kurupt's Streetz Iz A Mutha is a Westcoast classic. I think not having a classic album is the only thing that holds Meth from being placed among the greatest emcee's of all time. Raekwon had a classic album, and his was the only one from the Wu Tang members. The Wu as a whole had 2 classic albums, and Method Man was the main rapper in both. But for solo albums, it just never happened, but he came close with Tical.
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rae got what?!
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I bought 2000 when it came out and was actually really digging it at the time. Now, I am lukewarm to it. But 2000 has it's place and I really enjoyed it at the time.
I agree that Tical isn't a hip-hop classic. It's an Eastcoast classic in the same way that Kurupt's Streetz Iz A Mutha is a Westcoast classic. I think not having a classic album is the only thing that holds Meth from being placed among the greatest emcee's of all time. Raekwon had a classic album, and his was the only one from the Wu Tang members. The Wu as a whole had 2 classic albums, and Method Man was the main rapper in both. But for solo albums, it just never happened, but he came close with Tical.
1-rae didn't have a classic album, he had a classic group project get released under his name instead of "Raekwon and ghostface" as it should have been titled
2-GZA's "liquid swords" is easily a classic...not one bad song on that shit.
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I bought 2000 when it came out and was actually really digging it at the time. Now, I am lukewarm to it. But 2000 has it's place and I really enjoyed it at the time.
I agree that Tical isn't a hip-hop classic. It's an Eastcoast classic in the same way that Kurupt's Streetz Iz A Mutha is a Westcoast classic. I think not having a classic album is the only thing that holds Meth from being placed among the greatest emcee's of all time. Raekwon had a classic album, and his was the only one from the Wu Tang members. The Wu as a whole had 2 classic albums, and Method Man was the main rapper in both. But for solo albums, it just never happened, but he came close with Tical.
1-rae didn't have a classic album, he had a classic group project get released under his name instead of "Raekwon and ghostface" as it should have been titled
2-GZA's "liquid swords" is easily a classic...not one bad song on that shit.
1 - Stop being technical. You know what I meant. :boohoo:
2. Well I agree with the quality, impact is also something I use to judge if something is a classic and Liquid Swords is straight heat but it's impact wasn't as big. It got lost in all the Wu Tang noise of the time and as a Wu Tang fan who did buy Liquid Swords, (I am realizing I bought a ton of Wu Tang albums) the album wasn't talked about as much as I thought it should be. Even if it's because I grew up in California and people were on that Dogg Pound shit, or Me Against the World shit or even a few were on that Ready to Die shit, a true classic would have rose above that and made some noise. I guess Liquid Swords only fault was being released in 1995.
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Raekwon has only built for cuban linx which is a recognized classic, and to me immoblarity is a personal classic.
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Raekwon has only built for cuban linx which is a recognized classic, and to me immoblarity is a personal classic.
"Personal classic" is a GREAT term that I may have to use.
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Raekwon has only built for cuban linx which is a recognized classic, and to me immoblarity is a personal classic.
"Personal classic" is a GREAT term that I may have to use.
Yeah I have a few of those. I love the hell out of them but understand that not everyone else might.
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I bought 2000 when it came out and was actually really digging it at the time. Now, I am lukewarm to it. But 2000 has it's place and I really enjoyed it at the time.
I agree that Tical isn't a hip-hop classic. It's an Eastcoast classic in the same way that Kurupt's Streetz Iz A Mutha is a Westcoast classic. I think not having a classic album is the only thing that holds Meth from being placed among the greatest emcee's of all time. Raekwon had a classic album, and his was the only one from the Wu Tang members. The Wu as a whole had 2 classic albums, and Method Man was the main rapper in both. But for solo albums, it just never happened, but he came close with Tical.
1-rae didn't have a classic album, he had a classic group project get released under his name instead of "Raekwon and ghostface" as it should have been titled
2-GZA's "liquid swords" is easily a classic...not one bad song on that shit.
1 - Stop being technical. You know what I meant. :boohoo:
2. Well I agree with the quality, impact is also something I use to judge if something is a classic and Liquid Swords is straight heat but it's impact wasn't as big. It got lost in all the Wu Tang noise of the time and as a Wu Tang fan who did buy Liquid Swords, (I am realizing I bought a ton of Wu Tang albums) the album wasn't talked about as much as I thought it should be. Even if it's because I grew up in California and people were on that Dogg Pound shit, or Me Against the World shit or even a few were on that Ready to Die shit, a true classic would have rose above that and made some noise. I guess Liquid Swords only fault was being released in 1995.
1-i know, i just hate the fact Raekwon gets all the credit when Ghostface was just as important on that album lol
2-the amount of people who slept on Liquid swords is criminal
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I bought 2000 when it came out and was actually really digging it at the time. Now, I am lukewarm to it. But 2000 has it's place and I really enjoyed it at the time.
I agree that Tical isn't a hip-hop classic. It's an Eastcoast classic in the same way that Kurupt's Streetz Iz A Mutha is a Westcoast classic. I think not having a classic album is the only thing that holds Meth from being placed among the greatest emcee's of all time. Raekwon had a classic album, and his was the only one from the Wu Tang members. The Wu as a whole had 2 classic albums, and Method Man was the main rapper in both. But for solo albums, it just never happened, but he came close with Tical.
1-rae didn't have a classic album, he had a classic group project get released under his name instead of "Raekwon and ghostface" as it should have been titled
2-GZA's "liquid swords" is easily a classic...not one bad song on that shit.
1 - Stop being technical. You know what I meant. :boohoo:
2. Well I agree with the quality, impact is also something I use to judge if something is a classic and Liquid Swords is straight heat but it's impact wasn't as big. It got lost in all the Wu Tang noise of the time and as a Wu Tang fan who did buy Liquid Swords, (I am realizing I bought a ton of Wu Tang albums) the album wasn't talked about as much as I thought it should be. Even if it's because I grew up in California and people were on that Dogg Pound shit, or Me Against the World shit or even a few were on that Ready to Die shit, a true classic would have rose above that and made some noise. I guess Liquid Swords only fault was being released in 1995.
1-i know, i just hate the fact Raekwon gets all the credit when Ghostface was just as important on that album lol
2-the amount of people who slept on Liquid swords is criminal
I agree. I remember there was just a few of us in high school that use to hold up W's for the Wu Tang and not the Westcoast... LOL... okay it was 75% westcoast and the other 25% it was Wu Tang. Liquid Swords was AMAZING! But it's only fault was being released on Geffen Records and during one of the greatest eras in hip-hop. Had it been released in 1993, or 1997 it would have had the attention it deserved. But when I talk about classic records, I mean full impact with quality. So well College Dropout had quality, it also changed the production game and everyone started trying to make those Kanye beats, which was an extension of the beats heard on 36 Chambers and Liquid Swords. But because 36 Chambers was released first, it gets the credit and Liquid Swords got lost in the noise of the era. Man, I wish we could have another era like that though, were great albums were getting slept on because everything else was just as good.
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Gotta agree that raes first album is a classic. Liquid swords probably too. i really have to re visit that album i can only remember a track or two off of it. ODB's album was pretty classic too. Even though he dont really rap properly and there was at least one horrible track i suppose.
To me Killah priest has several dam near perfect albums!
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I bought 2000 when it came out and was actually really digging it at the time. Now, I am lukewarm to it. But 2000 has it's place and I really enjoyed it at the time.
I agree that Tical isn't a hip-hop classic. It's an Eastcoast classic in the same way that Kurupt's Streetz Iz A Mutha is a Westcoast classic. I think not having a classic album is the only thing that holds Meth from being placed among the greatest emcee's of all time. Raekwon had a classic album, and his was the only one from the Wu Tang members. The Wu as a whole had 2 classic albums, and Method Man was the main rapper in both. But for solo albums, it just never happened, but he came close with Tical.
1-rae didn't have a classic album, he had a classic group project get released under his name instead of "Raekwon and ghostface" as it should have been titled
2-GZA's "liquid swords" is easily a classic...not one bad song on that shit.
1 - Stop being technical. You know what I meant. :boohoo:
2. Well I agree with the quality, impact is also something I use to judge if something is a classic and Liquid Swords is straight heat but it's impact wasn't as big. It got lost in all the Wu Tang noise of the time and as a Wu Tang fan who did buy Liquid Swords, (I am realizing I bought a ton of Wu Tang albums) the album wasn't talked about as much as I thought it should be. Even if it's because I grew up in California and people were on that Dogg Pound shit, or Me Against the World shit or even a few were on that Ready to Die shit, a true classic would have rose above that and made some noise. I guess Liquid Swords only fault was being released in 1995.
2-the amount of people who slept on Liquid swords is criminal
Yeah, as far as their verses in the group go I'll take a bunch of those guys over GZA, but Liquid Swords was definitely the best solo album any of them did.
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liquid swords, now that's a classic records from start to bottom.
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Was bumping "4,3,2,1" today... damn. I miss those days when joints like that used to get played on the radio. Rap was so dope in those days, that it wasn't even one of my favorite videos at the time. I liked it, but it wasn't a big deal to me. Now I would do anything to have those days back when that track was blowing up. "I snatch your crown with your head still attatched!"- Canibus- That video is BLAZING, especially the remix with P roccin the Denver Bronco's jersey! 8)
That's what is so surprising about Method Man. He displayed the ability to make both hits for pop fans and underground joints for the most serious of headz. A combination like that there is no way this dude shouldn't of had a classic album. He also had Rza in his back pocket to produce and oversee his projects, and do the mathematics!