West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on February 13, 2014, 01:54:49 PM
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Danny Boy alerted me of this on facebook. 8)
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makaveli was better
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All Eyez was a very good album with some great tracks on it but I don't even consider the greatest album in his catalog, let alone the entire genre of hip-hop.
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All Eyez was a very good album with some great tracks on it but I don't even consider the greatest album in his catalog, let alone the entire genre of hip-hop.
this is how i rank Pac's catalogue in order:
1-makaveli
2-2pacalypse now
3-me against the world
4-all eyez on me
5-thug life vol 1 - not really a PAc album but he was on 8 of the 10 songs and had a few solos
6-strictly 4 my niggaz
i know most people sleep on 2pacalypse Now because some of the beats were generic but Pac killed every verse on that CD and was at his hungriest lyrically
as for posthumous albums I'd put RUSD high up there, i love that cd.
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AEOM > MATW
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AEOM > MATW
AEOM has the better beats and guest appearances but Pac's lyrics on MATW were so much better collectively than on AEOM and the deep, personal feeling you got from MATW tracks makes that album better.
guess it depends on what you listen to music for...i like to make a connection with the artist as far as their state of mind and what they were trying to say. not that i don't love Cali Love and how do u want it type of tracks, i'd rather listen to shit like "Lord Knows" and "So many tears" because it's deeper and gives you more of a glimpse of Pac as a human.
hope i didn't sound too much like Infinite here lmao
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AEOM > MATW
AEOM has the better beats and guest appearances but Pac's lyrics on MATW were so much better collectively than on AEOM and the deep, personal feeling you got from MATW tracks makes that album better.
guess it depends on what you listen to music for...i like to make a connection with the artist as far as their state of mind and what they were trying to say. not that i don't love Cali Love and how do u want it type of tracks, i'd rather listen to shit like "Lord Knows" and "So many tears" because it's deeper and gives you more of a glimpse of Pac as a human.
hope i didn't sound too much like Infinite here lmao
It's good homie
Personally I feel Pac lyrically elevated MATW. Great album considering the beat/song style being a collection of fairly generic sounds of the day
AEOM is musically superior and Pac does his thing tho lyrically hits a ceiling early on, the fact it's a double album of pretty much A Grade tracks is what gives it the edge IMO. Signiture polished album like only Death Row could do
MATW 7.5/10
AEOM 8/10
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"Me Against The World" is most definitely the better album. "All Eyez" probably has some of Tupac's best individual songs but as a collective work, it's not as cohesive to me. That one was Pac coming home and grabbing whatever was lying around at Death Row and making it his. It's kind of an all-star project. MATW is far more personal and a stronger flowing album.
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"Me Against The World" is most definitely the better album. "All Eyez" probably has some of Tupac's best individual songs but as a collective work, it's not as cohesive to me. That one was Pac coming home and grabbing whatever was lying around at Death Row and making it his. It's kind of an all-star project. MATW is far more personal and a stronger flowing album.
AEOM is cohesive for a double album.
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AEOM > MATW
AEOM has the better beats and guest appearances but Pac's lyrics on MATW were so much better collectively than on AEOM and the deep, personal feeling you got from MATW tracks makes that album better.
guess it depends on what you listen to music for...i like to make a connection with the artist as far as their state of mind and what they were trying to say. not that i don't love Cali Love and how do u want it type of tracks, i'd rather listen to shit like "Lord Knows" and "So many tears" because it's deeper and gives you more of a glimpse of Pac as a human.
hope i didn't sound too much like Infinite here lmao
It's good homie
Personally I feel Pac lyrically elevated MATW. Great album considering the beat/song style being a collection of fairly generic sounds of the day
AEOM is musically superior and Pac does his thing tho lyrically hits a ceiling early on, the fact it's a double album of pretty much A Grade tracks is what gives it the edge IMO. Signiture polished album like only Death Row could do
MATW 7.5/10
AEOM 8/10
i'd give both albums a 9.5/10 personally...damn near perfect. AEOM gets an equal rating being Pac had 2 CD's full of legit dank music. it just sucks that he could have released a few doper songs on that shit (i.e. I would have rather heard Still I Rise or Don't Go To Sleep (the original with Fatal and EDI) on there than Whatz ya phone #)
MATW might just be a 10/10 actually...every song has dope replay value although i do find myself skipping Dear Mama and Can U Get Away sometimes because i love the other songs much more
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"Me Against The World" is most definitely the better album. "All Eyez" probably has some of Tupac's best individual songs but as a collective work, it's not as cohesive to me. That one was Pac coming home and grabbing whatever was lying around at Death Row and making it his. It's kind of an all-star project. MATW is far more personal and a stronger flowing album.
not every song on AEOM was someone else's before
and let's not act like Pac didn't make Can't C Me 10x better than a young ass duo of Daz and kurupt did in 94
and Pac made Got My Mind Made Up a lot hotter than Rage would have. still wish Deck was kept on it though.
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to be honest i really only like death row pac minus thug life and matw. never got into 2pacalypse or s4mn
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to be honest i really only like death row pac minus thug life and matw. never got into 2pacalypse or s4mn
give them a re-listen, there's plenty of dope shit
i'm not just talking about the singles, which are all classics, but also the hidden gems like "the streets r death row", "point the finga", both versions of his Soulja songs (Soulja's Story/Soulja's Revenge), and "Violent". these songs are Pac at his best.
and "Part time mutha" and "Papaz Song" are probably two of Pac's 5 or so deepest songs. it's a shame that 98% of rappers with large fan bases don't have the talent to make songs like these. and the 2% that do choose not to address issues like these.
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not every song on AEOM was someone else's before
and let's not act like Pac didn't make Can't C Me 10x better than a young ass duo of Daz and kurupt did in 94
and Pac made Got My Mind Made Up a lot hotter than Rage would have. still wish Deck was kept on it though.
I'm not saying that Pac didn't own the tracks he got on. I just don't see this album as the defining project of his career. I think this was his way of showing he could appeal to the mainstream and could adapt to the sound Death Row was doing at the time. He made this hot as fuck double album full of party songs and club bangers and it was what the public wanted and needed at that time. Arguably some of his best tracks and biggest hits can be found within those two discs but in judging albums as individual artistic experiences, I think "Me Against The World" and "Makaveli" are far better projects.
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All Eyez was a very good album with some great tracks on it but I don't even consider the greatest album in his catalog, let alone the entire genre of hip-hop.
this is how i rank Pac's catalogue in order:
1-makaveli
2-2pacalypse now
3-me against the world
4-all eyez on me
5-thug life vol 1 - not really a PAc album but he was on 8 of the 10 songs and had a few solos
6-strictly 4 my niggaz
i know most people sleep on 2pacalypse Now because some of the beats were generic but Pac killed every verse on that CD and was at his hungriest lyrically
as for posthumous albums I'd put RUSD high up there, i love that cd.
I would put strictly 4 my niggaz above all eyez on me. But I also think all of Pac's work before Death Row was better. . I am glad someone see how dope 2pacalypse now. I bought 2pacalypse now first day it came out . Violent is my track . The bass on that track hit .
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All Eyez was a very good album with some great tracks on it but I don't even consider the greatest album in his catalog, let alone the entire genre of hip-hop.
makaveli was better
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probably the best double album in hip hop...there were several single albums better released by Death Row alone
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probably the best double album in hip hop...there were several single albums better released by Death Row alone
Double albums are tricky to pull off. I think Pac, Big, and Yukmouth are probably the only artists to really come close with it.
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probably the best double album in hip hop...there were several single albums better released by Death Row alone
Double albums are tricky to pull off. I think Pac, Big, and Yukmouth are probably the only artists to really come close with it.
if we're including groups, i think UGK needs to be on that list as well.
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life after death was a boring double album that would have been a perfect single disc
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life after death was a boring double album that would have been a perfect single disc
fuck outta here cornball !
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life after death was a boring double album that would have been a perfect single disc
Hardly boring
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probably the best double album in hip hop...there were several single albums better released by Death Row alone
Double albums are tricky to pull off. I think Pac, Big, and Yukmouth are probably the only artists to really come close with it.
if we're including groups, i think UGK needs to be on that list as well.
bone thugs