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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: TheSheriff on March 22, 2003, 07:04:22 AM
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This is lifted partially from an Arsenal fan who is a sports columnist in The New Statesman. He says they rely too much on Vieira, (YES IT IS SPELT LIKE THAT YOU DICKS) and Henry sin't a natural centre forward, though he is a great finisher.
With Bergkamp fading, they have no Shearer-type no nonsense strikers, and Jeffers isn't the answer. What's the future of Arsenal? Pennant is average, as is Alladiere. Jeffers is good, but he's an Henry-type striker. In defence, Toure is pretty good...But Stuart Taylor doesn't impress me. Why did they get rid of Manninger?
They need to sign some good new talent soon, because selling Upson leaves them with no future team core.
Man U, on the other hand, have a sparkling future, as demonstrated versus Deportivo. And with Roy Carroll and Rodrigo, the two best young goalkeepers around they know Barthez can be replaced.
The times they are a changin, says I (Owen). And after such a short period of Gooner dominance.
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This is lifted partially from an Arsenal fan who is a sports columnist in The New Statesman. He says they rely too much on Vieira, (YES IT IS SPELT LIKE THAT YOU DICKS) and Henry sin't a natural centre forward, though he is a great finisher.
With Bergkamp fading, they have no Shearer-type no nonsense strikers, and Jeffers isn't the answer. What's the future of Arsenal? Pennant is average, as is Alladiere. Jeffers is good, but he's an Henry-type striker. In defence, Toure is pretty good...But Stuart Taylor doesn't impress me. Why did they get rid of Manninger?
They need to sign some good new talent soon, because selling Upson leaves them with no future team core.
Man U, on the other hand, have a sparkling future, as demonstrated versus Deportivo. And with Roy Carroll and Rodrigo, the two best young goalkeepers around they know Barthez can be replaced.
The times they are a changin, says I (Owen). And after such a short period of Gooner dominance.
gotta agree they just dont have the same home grown talent
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hardly home grown talent now is it?
they see a 16 year old who's doing well and nick him for a couple of thousand, play him in the reserves for a year and then say he's 'home grown'
and yes I am aware that is what arsenal have done with pennant and alliadiere.
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Jeffers is like Henry? Doubt it very much. Plus he Jeffers is a great talent once he gains more experience. (Just look at his goal tally)
Pennant has also got a bright future ahead of him. Looked great when he was playing for Watford.
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That's crap Owen...
First of all Roy Carroll and RICARDO (not Rodrigo) are average keepers..Barthez is inconsistent
Arsenal are still an awesome team..they have problems in defence but you can't question their attack...don't overeact here
Plus our reserves aren't exactly amazing...Fletcher looks good, but it's a long, long, hard road to make it. Both teams have problems.
On the other hand, just got back from the game RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
What a striker...the man is god! 32 goals now this season!!! MORE THAN HENRY, and he's played less games. 10 goals in Europe too, 1 more for the record in a season!
TOP OF THE LEAGUE, until tomorrow unless...(COME ON BEZ!!!!)
WHO PUT THE BALL IN THE ARSENAL'S NET
WHO PUT THE BALL IN THE ARSENAL'S NET
HALF OF FUCKING EUROPE
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That's crap Owen...
First of all Roy Carroll and RICARDO (not Rodrigo) are average keepers..Barthez is inconsistent
Arsenal are still an awesome team..they have problems in defence but you can't question their attack...don't overeact here
Plus our reserves aren't exactly amazing...Fletcher looks good, but it's a long, long, hard road to make it. Both teams have problems.
On the other hand, just got back from the game RUUD
What a striker...the man is god! 32 goals now this season!!! MORE THAN HENRY, and he's played less games. 10 goals in Europe too, 1 more for the record in a season!
TOP OF THE LEAGUE, until tomorrow unless...(COME ON BEZ!!!!)
WHO PUT THE BALL IN THE ARSENAL'S NET
WHO PUT THE BALL IN THE ARSENAL'S NET
HALF OF FUCKING EUROPE
Where did this bile come from? ROFLMAO I say what all the top critics are saying, and you say it's crap? And sorry about mispelling a name, I guess I should commit a Roman suicide now.
Did I question their attack? I think Henry is one of the great strikers of all time. Jeffers is a great player too.
WHAT I SAID, CHILDREN, WAS THIS: Bergkamp is their true centre-forward. But he's in the twilight of his career.
Jeffers is an attacker in Henry's mould (I DID NOT SAY HE WAS AS GOOD OR ANYTHING AS HENRY). He is an aggressive midfielder, promoted to striker due to great talent.
Man U, on the other hand: Carroll (excellent keeper)/Ricardo (good); Brown, Ferdinand, O'Shea, Silvestre (with P. Neville in reserve); then, in midfield, even ignoring the young men Beckham and Butt, and Schols-Chadwick, Djordjic, Fortune, Stewart (with Pugh); Forlan, Nistelrooy
Even that team, without Beckham, Scholes and Butt, who will go on for a long time from now, is EXCELLENT.
I orgasm over the future Villa team: GK questionable (Myhill?); Barry, Delaney, Samuel, Edwards; Hendrie, Hitzlsperger, ?, Moore; Crouch, Vassell
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All the top critics?
I don't give a fuck what "all the top critics" are saying - I've been to every home United game this season and a few aways, us matchgoing fans don't have to listen to people like "all the top critics"
Jeffers an attacking midfielder - nope
Carroll is not excellent - He is very poor coming for crosses - A nightmare away at Southampton when Fabian went off injured
Beckham and Butt are not young anymore..they're approaching 30
Chadwick is on loan at Reading and will leave at the end of the season...he has no future at United
Djordic is currently out on loan and he has had many arguments with Fergie over his contract.. he is gone also at the end of the season
Fortune has always and will always be a bit parter..signed more for his work with UNICEF in South Africa!
Myhill is third in line for Villa
I'll have to ask some of my mates back home about Myhill but I am not sure
Peter Crouch? Are we making practical jokes here?
It was not an outburst but some of you're judgments are way off
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All the top critics?
I don't give a fuck what "all the top critics" are saying - I've been to every home United game this season and a few aways, us matchgoing fans don't have to listen to people like "all the top critics"
Jeffers an attacking midfielder - nope
Carroll is not excellent - He is very poor coming for crosses - A nightmare away at Southampton when Fabian went off injured
Beckham and Butt are not young anymore..they're approaching 30
Chadwick is on loan at Reading and will leave at the end of the season...he has no future at United
Djordic is currently out on loan and he has had many arguments with Fergie over his contract.. he is gone also at the end of the season
Fortune has always and will always be a bit parter..signed more for his work with UNICEF in South Africa!
Myhill is third in line for Villa
I'll have to ask some of my mates back home about Myhill but I am not sure
Peter Crouch? Are we making practical jokes here?
It was not an outburst but some of you're judgments are way off
Insulting me counts as an outburst. And remember, those top critics go to matches too, funnily enough.
No offence, but you're often wrong and I'm always right. How does that feel? Does that feel like an insult in disguise?
Myhill is first in line of the youth keepers.
Beckham and Butt are 27. Nearly 30, okay. They still have 6 YEARS IN THEM. And I suspect both will go onto 36.
If Djordjic is being chucked, Fergie has been masturbating too much. Carroll is young, he will improve.
Fortune is a good player, if Fergie doesn't see him as talent, he'll go and become a superstar for some other big club.
If Chadwick is being let go, see my comments above.
And Peter Crouch? Bad? Are you visting www.davidicke.com too much or what?
Crouch is recognized-and Fergie has said the same-as one of England's best young talents. Man Utd went after him last season.
So did Arsenal, etc. But Crouch knew he'd get a more regular place at Villa than at the other two.
Villa has a great youth team. One thing to thank Gregorovich for. Though Taylor saved the Hammer form leaving.
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If Quinton Fortune will become a SUPERSTAR I will run naked through Baghdad
Roy Carroll is not going to become number 1 for United
Peter Crouch is crap - if he is so good why is Taylor leaving him out so much?
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If Quinton Fortune will become a SUPERSTAR I will run naked through Baghdad
Roy Carroll is not going to become number 1 for United
Peter Crouch is crap - if he is so good why is Taylor leaving him out so much?
See you in Baghdad, then. It's quite hot during the summer, and you wouldn't want to get cold, so you should come then.
As to whether Carroll or Ricardo will become # 1, is debatable. I suspect you're right that Ricardo will be come #1.
Peter Crouch has a back strain, but he's not on the injury lis.t That's why.
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Luke Chadwick is shite.
I had so much fun calling him a freak when Reading came to the Lane (The only good thing about that match)
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Luke Chadwick is shite.
I had so much fun calling him a freak when Reading came to the Lane (The only good thing about that match)
He is ugly as hell.
P.S. Does anybody else think this thread is messed up?
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This is lifted partially from an Arsenal fan who is a sports columnist in The New Statesman. He says they rely too much on Vieira, (YES IT IS SPELT LIKE THAT YOU DICKS) and Henry sin't a natural centre forward, though he is a great finisher.
With Bergkamp fading, they have no Shearer-type no nonsense strikers, and Jeffers isn't the answer. What's the future of Arsenal? Pennant is average, as is Alladiere. Jeffers is good, but he's an Henry-type striker. In defence, Toure is pretty good...But Stuart Taylor doesn't impress me. Why did they get rid of Manninger?
They need to sign some good new talent soon, because selling Upson leaves them with no future team core.
Man U, on the other hand, have a sparkling future, as demonstrated versus Deportivo. And with Roy Carroll and Rodrigo, the two best young goalkeepers around they know Barthez can be replaced.
The times they are a changin, says I (Owen). And after such a short period of Gooner dominance.
who the fuck are you to say what the problem at arsenal is?
i take it your a yank, go back to watching freaks playing netball, because you obviously know noting about football.
jeffers is a henry type striker?? what the fuck are you talking about? henry is one of if not the fastest players in the world with huge amounts of skill and who can score amazing goals. he also spends most of his time on the left wing (and why is this screen so wide? its pissing me off even more). jeffers on the other hand is meant to be the 'fox in the box' which he is, apart from hes not a fox, hes just shit.
your knowlegde of goalkeepers is also VERY limited. why did we get rid of manninger? god you are a joker. your opinion of roy carrol and the man u youth system also gave me a good laugh, thanks for that, it made me feel less pised off. and who the fuck is rodrigo?? lol, moron.
bergkamp is our ture centre forward! is he? which arsenal supporting critic writing for the 'New Statesman' told you that? tell him from me (Sol) hes wrong.
and your opinion of peter crouch topped it all off. he wasnt even good enough for tottenham for fuck sake, and thats saying something.
so, owen, please dont speak as if you know all there is to know about football. you dont even know whtat the 'double' is. stick to your own sports that only americans have any interest in.
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who the fuck are you to say what the problem at arsenal is?
i take it your a yank, go back to watching freaks playing netball, because you obviously know noting about football.
jeffers is a henry type striker?? what the fuck are you talking about? henry is one of if not the fastest players in the world with huge amounts of skill and who can score amazing goals. he also spends most of his time on the left wing (and why is this screen so wide? its pissing me off even more). jeffers on the other hand is meant to be the 'fox in the box' which he is, apart from hes not a fox, hes just shit.
your knowlegde of goalkeepers is also VERY limited. why did we get rid of manninger? god you are a joker. your opinion of roy carrol and the man u youth system also gave me a good laugh, thanks for that, it made me feel less pised off. and who the fuck is rodrigo?? lol, moron.
bergkamp is our ture centre forward! is he? which arsenal supporting critic writing for the 'New Statesman' told you that? tell him from me (Sol) hes wrong.
and your opinion of peter crouch topped it all off. he wasnt even good enough for tottenham for fuck sake, and thats saying something.
so, owen, please dont speak as if you know all there is to know about football. you dont even know whtat the 'double' is. stick to your own sports that only americans have any interest in.
LOL, I love riled up Gooner fans.
I'm half English, you wankstain. Did you daddy beat you as a boy?
I play semi-pro for West Brom. I know more about football, the actual workings and tactis, than you do.
Are you that screaming guy in the stands who beats up opposing supporters? I guess you are, from your ridiculously obscene language.
Oh, and Peter Crouch. If he's so shit, why did Arsenal offer Pompey 2.5m for him, (but he chose Villa instead)?
P.S. I *AM* a goalkeeper, you intellectual midget.
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who the fuck are you to say what the problem at arsenal is?
i take it your a yank, go back to watching freaks playing netball, because you obviously know noting about football.
jeffers is a henry type striker?? what the fuck are you talking about? henry is one of if not the fastest players in the world with huge amounts of skill and who can score amazing goals. he also spends most of his time on the left wing (and why is this screen so wide? its pissing me off even more). jeffers on the other hand is meant to be the 'fox in the box' which he is, apart from hes not a fox, hes just shit.
your knowlegde of goalkeepers is also VERY limited. why did we get rid of manninger? god you are a joker. your opinion of roy carrol and the man u youth system also gave me a good laugh, thanks for that, it made me feel less pised off. and who the fuck is rodrigo?? lol, moron.
bergkamp is our ture centre forward! is he? which arsenal supporting critic writing for the 'New Statesman' told you that? tell him from me (Sol) hes wrong.
and your opinion of peter crouch topped it all off. he wasnt even good enough for tottenham for fuck sake, and thats saying something.
so, owen, please dont speak as if you know all there is to know about football. you dont even know whtat the 'double' is. stick to your own sports that only americans have any interest in.
LOL, I love riled up Gooner fans.
I'm half English, you wankstain. Did you daddy beat you as a boy?
I play semi-pro for West Brom. I know more about football, the actual workings and tactis, than you do.
Are you that screaming guy in the stands who beats up opposing supporters? I guess you are, from your ridiculously obscene language.
Oh, and Peter Crouch. If he's so shit, why did Arsenal offer Pompey 2.5m for him, (but he chose Villa instead)?
P.S. I *AM* a goalkeeper, you intellectual midget.
you played semi pro for west brom? so what? do you want a medal?
you know nothing about me and my knowledge of football, so how do you think you know more about football than i do?
i used to play for charlton youth team, but it dont mean anything.
you cannot claim with any credibility after your comments in this thread that you have a high level of knowledge about football.
1)jeffers is similar to henry
2) bergkamp is our true centre forward
3) roy carrol is a good keeper
4) peter crouch is a good player
5) and you asked why did we get rid of manninger (and you claim to be a goalkeeper).
i dont know where you heard about arsenal offering money for crouch (probably in a newspaper where u seem to get all of your "knowledge" from).
wenger dosent rate or like large, clumsy centre forwards such as crouch (selling john hartson as an example). our style of play dosent suite it, ie never crossing a ball in the air, so yet again you are wrong.
so please dont embarrass your self anymore in this thread with your delusions of knowing about football.
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you played semi pro for west brom? so what? do you want a medal?
you know nothing about me and my knowledge of football, so how do you think you know more about football than i do?
i used to play for charlton youth team, but it dont mean anything.
you cannot claim with any credibility after your comments in this thread that you have a high level of knowledge about football.
1)jeffers is similar to henry
2) bergkamp is our true centre forward
3) roy carrol is a good keeper
4) peter crouch is a good player
5) and you asked why did we get rid of manninger (and you claim to be a goalkeeper).
i dont know where you heard about arsenal offering money for crouch (probably in a newspaper where u seem to get all of your "knowledge" from).
wenger dosent rate or like large, clumsy centre forwards such as crouch (selling john hartson as an example). our style of play dosent suite it, ie never crossing a ball in the air, so yet again you are wrong.
so please dont embarrass your self anymore in this thread with your delusions of knowing about football.
I STILL play semi-pro for the Baggies.
Oh, and it was Wenger himself who said he made a 2.5m offer. Was he lying?
Jeffers started off as an offensive midfielder. At Everton, HE PLAYED IN EXACTLY THE SAME ROLE AS HENRY DOES AT ARSENAL.
Henry leads the league in assists; he's the fast, creative forward. Bergkamp is the big guy who heads the balls Henry crosses in into the net. Again, Wenger has said that.
Have I hurt your feelings by knowing more about football than you? I'm quoting Arsenal's manager, so you're saying HE'S wrong.
You're a troll who gets hurt too easily, my friend.
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you played semi pro for west brom? so what? do you want a medal?
you know nothing about me and my knowledge of football, so how do you think you know more about football than i do?
i used to play for charlton youth team, but it dont mean anything.
you cannot claim with any credibility after your comments in this thread that you have a high level of knowledge about football.
1)jeffers is similar to henry
2) bergkamp is our true centre forward
3) roy carrol is a good keeper
4) peter crouch is a good player
5) and you asked why did we get rid of manninger (and you claim to be a goalkeeper).
i dont know where you heard about arsenal offering money for crouch (probably in a newspaper where u seem to get all of your "knowledge" from).
wenger dosent rate or like large, clumsy centre forwards such as crouch (selling john hartson as an example). our style of play dosent suite it, ie never crossing a ball in the air, so yet again you are wrong.
so please dont embarrass your self anymore in this thread with your delusions of knowing about football.
I STILL play semi-pro for the Baggies.
Oh, and it was Wenger himself who said he made a 2.5m offer. Was he lying?
Jeffers started off as an offensive midfielder. At Everton, HE PLAYED IN EXACTLY THE SAME ROLE AS HENRY DOES AT ARSENAL.
Henry leads the league in assists; he's the fast, creative forward. Bergkamp is the big guy who heads the balls Henry crosses in into the net. Again, Wenger has said that.
Have I hurt your feelings by knowing more about football than you? I'm quoting Arsenal's manager, so you're saying HE'S wrong.
You're a troll who gets hurt too easily, my friend.
LOL it keeps gettin better and better
Respond to this again cause you are just making me laugh, you truely are an idiot.
i aint going to get into to know more about football cause thats just childish.
BUT ive been to all but 1 of arsenals games this season including away games in holland and valencia and play the game at quite a high level, so i know what im talking about.
you on the other hand keep making these ridiculous statements time and time again, that ANYONE whos knows anything about football will tell you u are wrong.
one thing you should know is that wenger never EVER mentions transfers to the press until they are complete. show me where he said this about crouch, or any other transfer. WAIT, ill save you the time because you wont find it cause he has never said it.
your next point i aint 100% on, maybe BEZ can help us out. you claim jeffers was an offensive midfileder when he first played for everton, and played in the exact role af henry. this i find laughable. jeffers has NO pace at all, cant pass or take people on. saying he played the same role as henry is plain stupid.
he may have been an offensive midfielder, but i quite sure he made his debute as a 16 year old as a striker.
your next point takes the biscuit though, and proves you are an idiot.
"bergkamp is the big guy who heads henrys crosses into the net" LLOOLL, WHAT are you talking about and WHERE has wenger ever said this???
ive seen bergkamp play hundreds of times for arsenal and in that time at the MOST hes scored 5 headed goals. the lazy git hardly ever gets into the box for crosses.
say to any arsenal fan bergkamp is the guy whos heads crossed into the net and is our main striker will just look at you in a funny way and laugh.
i am a troll who gets hurt too easily??
your not hurting me, your just providing me with much amusement. you really do think you know about football, lol moron.
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LOL it keeps gettin better and better
Respond to this again cause you are just making me laugh, you truely are an idiot.
i aint going to get into to know more about football cause thats just childish.
BUT ive been to all but 1 of arsenals games this season including away games in holland and valencia and play the game at quite a high level, so i know what im talking about.
you on the other hand keep making these ridiculous statements time and time again, that ANYONE whos knows anything about football will tell you u are wrong.
one thing you should know is that wenger never EVER mentions transfers to the press until they are complete. show me where he said this about crouch, or any other transfer. WAIT, ill save you the time because you wont find it cause he has never said it.
your next point i aint 100% on, maybe BEZ can help us out. you claim jeffers was an offensive midfileder when he first played for everton, and played in the exact role af henry. this i find laughable. jeffers has NO pace at all, cant pass or take people on. saying he played the same role as henry is plain stupid.
he may have been an offensive midfielder, but i quite sure he made his debute as a 16 year old as a striker.
your next point takes the biscuit though, and proves you are an idiot.
"bergkamp is the big guy who heads henrys crosses into the net" LLOOLL, WHAT are you talking about and WHERE has wenger ever said this???
ive seen bergkamp play hundreds of times for arsenal and in that time at the MOST hes scored 5 headed goals. the lazy git hardly ever gets into the box for crosses.
say to any arsenal fan bergkamp is the guy whos heads crossed into the net and is our main striker will just look at you in a funny way and laugh.
i am a troll who gets hurt too easily??
your not hurting me, your just providing me with much amusement. you really do think you know about football, lol moron.
It's not up to me to prove or disprove what Wenger has said. Go and check it up yourself. You're the one attempting to prosecute me here.
Wenger didn't say about headers, no; that was a flippant statement. However, Wenger did say Bergkamp is his main centre-forward, whereas Henry is his wing forward.
One has to ask, what is more childish; someone wanting a proper debate, or someone who just insults someone who disagrees with him?
I may now be depressed and slightly drunk. But you are a retarded troll. And in the morning, I shall be sober again. Thankyou Winston for great quotes.
If you're so mature, why don't you just ignore me? Oh yeah, because no-one is allowed to debate your views on the sacred Woolwich.
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LOL it keeps gettin better and better
Respond to this again cause you are just making me laugh, you truely are an idiot.
i aint going to get into to know more about football cause thats just childish.
BUT ive been to all but 1 of arsenals games this season including away games in holland and valencia and play the game at quite a high level, so i know what im talking about.
you on the other hand keep making these ridiculous statements time and time again, that ANYONE whos knows anything about football will tell you u are wrong.
one thing you should know is that wenger never EVER mentions transfers to the press until they are complete. show me where he said this about crouch, or any other transfer. WAIT, ill save you the time because you wont find it cause he has never said it.
your next point i aint 100% on, maybe BEZ can help us out. you claim jeffers was an offensive midfileder when he first played for everton, and played in the exact role af henry. this i find laughable. jeffers has NO pace at all, cant pass or take people on. saying he played the same role as henry is plain stupid.
he may have been an offensive midfielder, but i quite sure he made his debute as a 16 year old as a striker.
your next point takes the biscuit though, and proves you are an idiot.
"bergkamp is the big guy who heads henrys crosses into the net" LLOOLL, WHAT are you talking about and WHERE has wenger ever said this???
ive seen bergkamp play hundreds of times for arsenal and in that time at the MOST hes scored 5 headed goals. the lazy git hardly ever gets into the box for crosses.
say to any arsenal fan bergkamp is the guy whos heads crossed into the net and is our main striker will just look at you in a funny way and laugh.
i am a troll who gets hurt too easily??
your not hurting me, your just providing me with much amusement. you really do think you know about football, lol moron.
It's not up to me to prove or disprove what Wenger has said. Go and check it up yourself. You're the one attempting to prosecute me here.
Wenger didn't say about headers, no; that was a flippant statement. However, Wenger did say Bergkamp is his main centre-forward, whereas Henry is his wing forward.
One has to ask, what is more childish; someone wanting a proper debate, or someone who just insults someone who disagrees with him?
I may now be depressed and slightly drunk. But you are a retarded troll. And in the morning, I shall be sober again. Thankyou Winston for great quotes.
If you're so mature, why don't you just ignore me? Oh yeah, because no-one is allowed to debate your views on the sacred Woolwich.
no, go ahead ,you are allowed to say what you like about arsenal and debate it.
say you like or dislike them, and back it up with points of view that make sense. that would be your opinion and i would respect it.
however what i do have a problem with is someone who thinks he knows about football and plainly dosent.
you make points that are just plainly not right, too many of which in here that i cant be arsed listing them, and which are not your opinion.
Wenger has never said bergkamp is his main centre forward, becuase he is not.
a typical centre forward is someone like alan shearer. A man of your footballing knowlegde should know that bergkamp is a player who is described as playing in the 'Hole' infront of midfield and in behind the strikers.
he is a totaly different player to shearer, and is DEFINATLY not arsenals 'main centre forward.'
you seem to have insulted me far more times in this thread than i have you. i have just critizised your knowlege of football, which i believe to be horribly misguided.
if you said something reasonable such as "arsenal are dodgy in defence, henry spends too much time out wide, seaman is shit and ashly cole is a poor defender" i would respect it and debate it with you reasonably.
but when you say things such as jeffers is similar to henry and bergkamp is our main centre forward, it cant be debated because they are just plainly wrong statements, and this is not my opinion, but fact.
this seems to be goin nowhere now. we are just plainly never going to agree.
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no, go ahead ,you are allowed to say what you like about arsenal and debate it.
say you like or dislike them, and back it up with points of view that make sense. that would be your opinion and i would respect it.
however what i do have a problem with is someone who thinks he knows about football and plainly dosent.
you make points that are just plainly not right, too many of which in here that i cant be arsed listing them, and which are not your opinion.
Wenger has never said bergkamp is his main centre forward, becuase he is not.
a typical centre forward is someone like alan shearer. A man of your footballing knowlegde should know that bergkamp is a player who is described as playing in the 'Hole' infront of midfield and in behind the strikers.
he is a totaly different player to shearer, and is DEFINATLY not arsenals 'main centre forward.'
you seem to have insulted me far more times in this thread than i have you. i have just critizised your knowlege of football, which i believe to be horribly misguided.
if you said something reasonable such as "arsenal are dodgy in defence, henry spends too much time out wide, seaman is shit and ashly cole is a poor defender" i would respect it and debate it with you reasonably.
but when you say things such as jeffers is similar to henry and bergkamp is our main centre forward, it cant be debated because they are just plainly wrong statements, and this is not my opinion, but fact.
this seems to be goin nowhere now. we are just plainly never going to agree.
You continue to deny what YOUR MANAGER has said.
I've insulted you more than you have me? What a joker. You have called me an idiot, childish, ignorant, a moron, etc.
I posted something-correct or not, doesn't matter-that was politely worded, wasn't insulting you, etc. You decided to insult me. You, my friend, will always be a troll.
After taking the consensus of the many Arsenal fans, including perhaps the biggest Arsenal knowledge man of all time, they all agree, Bergkamp is the nearest thing to a CF you have. Wiltord occasionally fills in that role, but Bergkamp, at least last year and before, acted as that. He scored no nonsense goals.
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I rarely agree with Sol, but Owen, what you are saying about Bergkamp ia laughable. "No-nonsense goals". lol
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no, go ahead ,you are allowed to say what you like about arsenal and debate it.
say you like or dislike them, and back it up with points of view that make sense. that would be your opinion and i would respect it.
however what i do have a problem with is someone who thinks he knows about football and plainly dosent.
you make points that are just plainly not right, too many of which in here that i cant be arsed listing them, and which are not your opinion.
Wenger has never said bergkamp is his main centre forward, becuase he is not.
a typical centre forward is someone like alan shearer. A man of your footballing knowlegde should know that bergkamp is a player who is described as playing in the 'Hole' infront of midfield and in behind the strikers.
he is a totaly different player to shearer, and is DEFINATLY not arsenals 'main centre forward.'
you seem to have insulted me far more times in this thread than i have you. i have just critizised your knowlege of football, which i believe to be horribly misguided.
if you said something reasonable such as "arsenal are dodgy in defence, henry spends too much time out wide, seaman is shit and ashly cole is a poor defender" i would respect it and debate it with you reasonably.
but when you say things such as jeffers is similar to henry and bergkamp is our main centre forward, it cant be debated because they are just plainly wrong statements, and this is not my opinion, but fact.
this seems to be goin nowhere now. we are just plainly never going to agree.
You continue to deny what YOUR MANAGER has said.
I've insulted you more than you have me? What a joker. You have called me an idiot, childish, ignorant, a moron, etc.
I posted something-correct or not, doesn't matter-that was politely worded, wasn't insulting you, etc. You decided to insult me. You, my friend, will always be a troll.
After taking the consensus of the many Arsenal fans, including perhaps the biggest Arsenal knowledge man of all time, they all agree, Bergkamp is the nearest thing to a CF you have. Wiltord occasionally fills in that role, but Bergkamp, at least last year and before, acted as that. He scored no nonsense goals.
youve only gone and done it again.
i dont want to insult you, but im sorry, you are an idiot.
let me get one thing straight. where do you live? america or england? and these arsenal 'fans' you have consulted, where are they from?
im not bragging, but not many people know more about arsenal than me.
Ill tell you again. wenger has never said any of these things you have claimed.
look, it is a stone cold FACT that dennis is not a typical forward player. this is NOT my opinion, it is fact.
you are just making more and more stupid remarks as this topic goes on. im now starting to think you are doing this just to wind me up, and you dont believe what you say, cause what you are claiming is just laughable.
let me explain this to you.
"bergkamp acted as your centre forward last year" (not your exact words but near enough)
WRONG. FACT.
his form at the start of the season was crap. he couldnt get in the team. he came on as a sub to score two goals in the first game at middlesbrough, and i can still remember the shock in the crowd that he had actually scored once, never mind twice.
in the second half of the season he returned to his world class form, but NOT acting as a typical centre forward.
he played deep in the 'Hole' position, and i dont know if you remember the run of games freddie scored in last season, well 90% of those goals resulted from through balls by dennis, from deep. FACT.
seen as you seem to be so close to gary megson, why dont you ask his if bergkamp is a typical centre forward. i Guarantee he will say he is not, and describe him in the way i have.
then you say he is a scorer of no nonsense goals. WHERE have you got this idea from?????? WHERE?? PLEASE tell me, because it is about the most ridiculous thing you have said.
Dennis' trademark is the curler into the top corner from 30 yards.
he was won goal of the season and goal of the world cup (remember againt argentina i think, that "No nonsense" goal ::) ::))
will someone who know about football pls get in here and tell this guy that he is wrong, cause it looks like he just cant see it.
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I rarely agree with Sol, but Owen, what you are saying about Bergkamp ia laughable. "No-nonsense goals". lol
thank god for that.
owen, just hold up your hands and admit you are wrong. everyone makes mistakes (believe it or not, even i do, only very rarely).
your are just getting your self into a bigger and bigger hole every time you open your mouth.
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Sol, you're an idiot for not trying to be civil. You continue to deny things that have been said in newspaper interviews (hell, I'll even dig them out for you), and you miss the point.
Who IS your centre forward? Wiltord is only occasionally sent into fulfil that role.
I live in the UK. I'm half English/Welsh, and half American. My second favourite sport is football. I play it at semi-pro level, and know a hell of a lot about it. NO-ONE on your team scores more simple tap-ins, in proportion to their appearances, than Bergkamp.
Are you actually an Arsenal fan who has a different view on things, or are you simply a troll/football hooligan who likes arguments?
Tell me this-when I dig out those interviews, will you apologize?
Also, explain who, if not Bergkamp, scores the simple goals up front. Jeffers may be the Fox in the Box at Arsenal, but at Everton-and I know this for a fact-he fulfilled Henry's role as the speedy right-forward, not a striker.
You say *I* am making a fool of myself; you disgrace yourself by trolling.
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I rarely agree with Sol, but Owen, what you are saying about Bergkamp ia laughable. "No-nonsense goals". lol
I love the smell of flamers in the morning.
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Sol, you're an idiot for not trying to be civil. You continue to deny things that have been said in newspaper interviews (hell, I'll even dig them out for you), and you miss the point.
Who IS your centre forward? Wiltord is only occasionally sent into fulfil that role.
I live in the UK. I'm half English/Welsh, and half American. My second favourite sport is football. I play it at semi-pro level, and know a hell of a lot about it. NO-ONE on your team scores more simple tap-ins, in proportion to their appearances, than Bergkamp.
Are you actually an Arsenal fan who has a different view on things, or are you simply a troll/football hooligan who likes arguments?
Tell me this-when I dig out those interviews, will you apologize?
Also, explain who, if not Bergkamp, scores the simple goals up front. Jeffers may be the Fox in the Box at Arsenal, but at Everton-and I know this for a fact-he fulfilled Henry's role as the speedy right-forward, not a striker.
You say *I* am making a fool of myself; you disgrace yourself by trolling.
im sorry to hear you are half welsh, maybe thats where you get your stupidity from
Yes, find me where wenger has said:
1) he want s to sign crouch
2) bergkamp is our main striker.
with quotes from wenger obviously, and remember, dont believe everything you read in the paper, people are misquoated many a time.
who is our centre forward? with our full team we do not have one. that is one of the strenghts/weaknesses of AFC.
dennis drops deep, terry floats out wide. well known FACT (i dont think you know what a fact is, it cant be disputed.)
however in recent games against man u and chelsea we have played with jeffers and wiltord up front, as two recognised front men.
if JAB reads this he will tell you the difference between the league and cup games at old trafford, where in the league henry played and didnt have the best of games, but in the cup game jeffers and wiltord played up front and constantly caused problems to their defence, this didnt happen in the league game, where they had plently of time on the ball.
your comment that bergkamp scores more tap ins than any other player just PROVES beyond any doubt that you do not know what you are talking about. you cannot claim to know a 'hell of a lot about football' and make a comment like that.
jeffers did not fill the henry role at everton. yet another laughable comment. the 'henry role' is drifting out to the left wing, beating the full back with devistating pace and giving a team mate an assist (note- NOT BERGKAMP). henry is the leading asister in europe.
yet again- jeffers has NO pace, NO skill and NO left foot. he cant PASS a football and struggles to control one.
wenger didnt see a player at everton playing in the henry role and think ill buy him and turn him into a fox in the box. he already was one at everton (when he wasnt injured).
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So, we're going to bring racism into it? You're a troll, plain and simple. Are you black? If so, fuck you retarded nigger. But I'm not allowed to say that, am I?
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fuck you retarded nigger.
did wenger really say that?
I think he was misquoted then.
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did wenger really say that?
I think he was misquoted then.
What ARE you blathering about? lol
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So, we're going to bring racism into it? You're a troll, plain and simple. Are you black? If so, fuck you retarded nigger. But I'm not allowed to say that, am I?
are you obsessed with the word troll? is it meant as an insult?
racism!! are you one of these politicaly correct do gooders or something? welsh insult english, who insult welsh, who insult scots who insult irish etc etc.
it goes all of the time for christ sake. its called 'banter' you moron.
for you to call it racism is laughable.
where are these quotes from wenger by the way? oh yeh, you probably couldnt find them.
owen. i think its time you just accept that you are wrong, have made a tit of yourself in this thread, and dont know as much about football as you think you do.
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If you're going to claim racism Owen, you mentioned "Irish pikey" a few times.
"NO-ONE on your team scores more simple tap-ins, in proportion to their appearances, than Bergkamp."
Honestly, are you mad?
No way Bergkamp.
I would say Freddie actually
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Tsk, tsk.
Jay: Irish was an observation on the fact you are Irish (at the time, I thought you had once said it, in an old Anything Goes thread). Pikey...Well, pikeys are lazy arseholes who smash shit up. That's not even racist. Even they admit they only live in caravans because they don't want to have jobs. It's an insult in the order of "bitch" "asshole", etc.
Sol: Hmm, Daily Mail, December 21st, Sports section; The Independent on Sunday, December 22nd, Sports section. Both mention Bergkamp=traditional centre forward, and the latter also mentions that Jeffers was considered an aggressive wing forward at Everton.
As for troll, it is an insult. Yes. It means you post things purely to cause argument. And, as you do, I guess it's not an insult. You ass-goblin, please try to be coherent in your ridiculous responses..."you're calling me a troll like it's an insult" LMAO