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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Pinokit_FME on March 25, 2003, 10:33:03 PM
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Ok, let me go on record by saying one thing: My brother is a fucking moron. Ok, now that that is set straight lemme get to my point. My brother doesn't like 2Pac's music. He thinks 2Pac is overated and should'nt be considered being called the best ever, or "The G.O.A.T". So this post is for all the Pac fans. If you think Pac is among the greats, WHY was he so great, why was the the best to touch a microphone?? I want reasons, back up your response. No "Because he is!" or no "Just becuase!" Tell me why. Herre is why I think that 2Pac Shakur was one of the best ever....This is MY opinion......
I think Pac is the most influential rapper of all time. He probably wasn't the greatest MC or Lyrical Rapper, but the greatest influential rapper. 2Pac made you FEEL his songs, his words, everything he was saying. He was not afraid to let out his emotions and pour out his heart onto the song he was making. His life was in his music, everything he thought, came across, experienced. He wasn't afraid to let you inside of his mind. Even if he was rapping about the simplest thing you would feel what he was talking about. If 2Pac was so overated then why does he have hundreds, thousands of people who feel the same way that I do? Why did he touch so many people musically?
This is MY opinion.
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Pac could tell stories with his raps , anything that was on his mind was said in his raps. His flow was unreal , and on top of that used a very expanded vocabulary unlike other rappers he didn't cuss as much as the rest.
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he was ok
not the g.o.a.t
over rated
over played
influenced some people, mostly fags
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Pac could tell stories with his raps , anything that was on his mind was said in his raps. His flow was unreal , and on top of that used a very expanded vocabulary unlike other rappers he didn't cuss as much as the rest.
that says it all
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aiight everyone here is why 2Pac was the greatest.....
2Pac was the best MC becuz he told it like it was, he didnt use a big vocabulary he used words everyone could relate too. His lyrics touched people that is a major point, the other one is that he was controversial everyone could see him getting in his problems with the law or whatever, they could see him and relate to them,,,,,,but the reason why he is the best is because he spoke from the heart!
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Tell your brother that Pac was an artist. And who's better? Giotto or Van Gogh? You cant compare artists! They all give you emotions, then it's you who gotta choose your fav one. Pac looks like the one who got the more consistent fanbase. But it's not a science. Like i said, it's you who gotta choose your fav one.
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he was ok
not the g.o.a.t
over rated
over played
influenced some people, mostly fags
Nice said.. Got love for 2pac, but he ain't all that ! for me, 2pac was a rapper that came in the news every week, so alot of peepz sayin they love rap (but only 2pac), u know, maybe snoop and dre also, but Pac is tha man! HELL NO!! Now peepz wanna act hard, sayin thug life n shit like that..fuck them..I listened to 2pac back n da day , but then this shit was soooo hyped up, then I didn't care much more about 2pac, cause I'm not someone that's goin along with the crowd.(Not that I didn't care so much b4).....But there are alot of other artists, who are twice the performer that he is! So come strong if you wanna proof why he's all that!
Pz
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First jailed man to have the countrys # 1 album
First ever hip hop/rap star to release a double album
The star with the most postmotmous (however the fuk u spell it) releases - Even More than Elvis
Hardest working man ever in hip hop evident with more releases after death than before.
Must I say HIGHEST SELLING HIP HOP ARTIST OF ALL TIME
Will that do or do u want more???
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master p released the first rap double album... but it was a compilation
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master p released the first rap double album... but it was a compilation
The first Artist! I know bout the Master P one but from an actual artist. No artist at the time dared to give out that much material in one album until Pac
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For me, Pac was the greatest because he talked about so many topics and had so many sides to him. He could be the hardest rider on one record, then the next he could show an emotional caring side. He could tak about the streets, the government, oppression, partying, whatever. Some ignorant people saw this as contradictory but it was actually very clever and artistic to show all those sides through music. It wasn't corny either, you could tell he always rapped form the heart.
Added to that he had the revolutionary spirit of the Panthers in his blood. He articulated the whole experience of Black oppressed people in the US and put it all on record, trying to represent every aspect of the community, from the thugged out to the college graduates. Nobody else in rap has ever attempted to do that, and nobody will ever do it as well as Pac did.
Ay like dude said, if you don't have something good to say then don't post. nobody asked why you don't like Tupac.
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2pac was so passionate about his music, his music was his life. he is considered the greatest in my mind because i can listen to his songs and get through all the hard times in my life. he has different songs for all the different moods i'm in
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he was ok
not the g.o.a.t
over rated
over played
influenced some people, mostly fags
Nice said.. Got love for 2pac, but he ain't all that ! for me, 2pac was a rapper that came in the news every week, so alot of peepz sayin they love rap (but only 2pac), u know, maybe snoop and dre also, but Pac is tha man! HELL NO!! Now peepz wanna act hard, sayin thug life n shit like that..fuck them..I listened to 2pac back n da day , but then this shit was soooo hyped up, then I didn't care much more about 2pac, cause I'm not someone that's goin along with the crowd.(Not that I didn't care so much b4).....But there are alot of other artists, who are twice the performer that he is! So come strong if you wanna proof why he's all that!
Pz
I hear that... all of you consider him a great rapper, but not simply based on his skills, but the fact that he was an activist, and his life outside of rap. Sure he's good, and sure he could tell stories, but lemme ask you... if Biggie was an activist, and if he spouted a whole lotta shit to the media like Pac did, would you consider picking him over Pac as the greatest rapper ever? Sure you would, cause you just love rappers who spout off that Thug Life horsecrap ::)
And in response to him being passionate about his work... lemme tell you, there's a shitload of rappers out there who are passionate about what they do as well, or else they wouldn't be in this game; DJ Quik, Talib Kweli, Ras Kass to name a few. Of course, we got the jackasses who don't give a flying fuck about rap, just the $$$... *cough* Snoop, Cash Money, Ja *cough*
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*slaps self in head*
Alright, why is 2Pac the greatest rapper, lyrist, hip-hop poet, hardest worker, passioniate, battle rapper, emotional rapper and just overall emcee to ever lived, 'cause he is the only rapper that can have all them titles, and be thought of in at least the top 3 in each catigory. No one was a verisital as 'Pac, as he can go from Dear Mama to Wounder Why They Call You Bitch, to How Do You Want It, to Keep Your Head Up, to Part Time Mutha, to I Get Around, then to Life Goes On to Hit 'Em Up, to Old School, to Against All Odds, to White Man's World, to Bomb First, and then a ton more after he died. 2Pac gave every song he ever did his all, each word said with a purpose, a purpose that no one else has had since 'Pac left us. He spoke the truth through the eyes of Tupac Shakur. You heard his heart, as whatever he was going through, he expressed it. Wither it was as big as a song to Afeni, or glorify women, or as simple as discribing a drink, 'Pac had it all. Most lyrics were simple, but never had the term Black Queen meant so much until 'Pac touched it, or hearing the saying Keep Your Head Up actually made you want for better days. He reminded us before Biggie didn't show fear for someone who breath the same air, 'Pac said "We all gonna die, we bleed though simular veins" I can paste many verses that 'Pac did, and just reading them you feel them, and then 'Pac saying them, it's amplified even more. And oh yeah, if you think 'Pac was all simplistic, shit, listen to the rhyme concepts of The 7 Day Theory, or the rhyme schemes, and the words he uses, not simplistic shit at all, but an ablum he releast knowing that it was his last album, and it reflected the skillz that everyone knew 2Pac had through out his career. 'Pac's great emotion, voice and flow meet with just great lyrics, rhyme content, and an expanded vocabulary that seems played out know, but that's because everyone bit their shit from 'Pac first. Ask Ja Rule.
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And in response to him being passionate about his work... lemme tell you, there's a shitload of rappers out there who are passionate about what they do as well, or else they wouldn't be in this game; DJ Quik, Talib Kweli, Ras Kass to name a few. Of course, we got the jackasses who don't give a flying fuck about rap, just the $$$... *cough* Snoop, Cash Money, Ja *cough*
hell yeah i agree that those artists are passionate also, 2pac just had the ability to take that passion and make a large amount of audience feel what he is saying in his lyrics and also relate to what he is saying. snoop on the other hand is a big star in the rap game but he is far from passionate about his music and puts out a lot of garbage, but 2pac rarely made a half ass song
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It's true , Pac had alot of talents in him that otherz don't have..That's why I got love 4 him..But does it makes him g.o.a.t. ?? No, I would say.. Don't tell me he can go to this type a song, to the other.. If so; 4 instance :Master P or LV missing their homies, and the next the track they got their dick sucked by some hoodrat...How contra is that 4 u..Please know he isn't the goat, and I wouldnt dare to give up a name that is goat, because you can't compare all rappers to eachother. Pac was the only rapper that showed his WHOLE private live to the world, and off course MTV (and others) pick in to this, and wanna air it..His entire life wasn't easy, and most peepz only had respect 4 him, and for them he was goat.. I'll bet 20% of other rappers had to go true the same bullshit, but they don't let the world know..
Ps; Dear Mama wasn't his song, he stoled it from Kill Kill..So I guess he is a very contra rapper..
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^you're missing the point. Sure a lot of rappers talk about different subject matter, but on the whole they sound corny and contrived when trying to make an emotional track. With the exception of Quik and some others, not a lot of rappers can honestly express a wide body of subject matter through their music. Master P? Please
and Kill Kill? the legendary Kill Kill LMAO hell no. I havent heard his version of Dear Mama but im sure he gives about 3% of the emotion and feeling that Pac did.
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2Pac was a one of a kind...there will never be another rapper like him...he is THE G.O.A.T in my opinion... R.I.P
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I take it the person who asks the question is white ::) Well it's like this 2pac was influenced from many black influencial figures. Malcolm, Martin, Huey etc. He was a fighter. He spoke truth about real problems, struggle but he also rapped about fighting back, hitting back, what to do, to solve problems. Here's a man that gave more than half his fukn earnings to groups to provide food, shelter for homeless people, to help drug addicts with kids, to help kids with parents on drugs. He really was more than a rapper, the nicest mc. Nobody in todays greedy commercial world would have the balls to give that kind of ppercentage to the community. And u wanna talk dre and nelly. Man get the fuk outta here
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I take it the person who asks the question is white ::)
racist ::)
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ME a Racist, Come on Overseer u know I aint no racist. I speak to white people all the time :'(
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means nothin... slavers talked to black people but they were still racist
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But I dont hate white people. I cant believe Im being accused of being a racist. I have some white friends...
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means nothin... slavers talked to black people but they were still racist
:D Yeah.. well.. kinda have a point there... ;) ;)
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^ of course
mickey... whether you realise it or not you do keep mentioning 'white people' in a derogatory fashion, plus you already stated that you got banned from hitemup for saying similar things.. shouldnt the fact that people keep mentioning it say something to you?
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No, But I got banned for my views on Eminem. I dont care what nobodys says. He's torn apart the hip hop industry. The chance most black people had to go have an opportunity to get paper was destroyed because Eminem chose to twist hip hop culture into a pop circuis act, because of that we have 2 starving families which could have been wealthy feel me. But on the real tho I aint no racist. I admited he had skillz but said he had no business doing what he was doing. I just hate white people trying to act what they think is black walkin around with the baggy pants screamin dawg, homey and realisticaly just lookin like a bunch of clowns.
But for the white people who dont give a fuk and can be themselves, I got respect for them, aint got no hate or racist remarks
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No, But I got banned for my views on Eminem. I dont care what nobodys says. He's torn apart the hip hop industry. The chance most black people had to go have an opportunity to get paper was destroyed because Eminem chose to twist hip hop culture into a pop circuis act, because of that we have 2 starving families which could have been wealthy feel me. But on the real tho I aint no racist. I admited he had skillz but said he had no business doing what he was doing. I just hate white people trying to act what they think is black walkin around with the baggy pants screamin dawg, homey and realisticaly just lookin like a bunch of clowns.
But for the white people who dont give a fuk and can be themselves, I got respect for them, aint got no hate or racist remarks
kid your twisted.
first off shiny suit puffy never did any damage at all?
"I admited he had skillz but said he had no business doing what he was doing."
no business? doing what? white people cant do what they want?
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT WHITE PEOPLE CAN OR CAN'T DO?
thats just like someone white saying tiger woods got no business playing golf... which is blatant racism.
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Ahhhhh!! Im pissed off at Eminem responsible for fukn up the hip hop industry. I aint racist. I swear on that. Notice how every one that Eminem dissed while in the commercial light has taking hip hop steps
Justin (N SYnk) - Nelly, Neptunes
Brintey - Neptunes
Chritina - Redman
See whats happenin. Damm I need a brother up in here to discuss on tha real
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Damm I need a brother up in here to discuss on tha real
so you cant talk to a white person about it?
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"I just hate white people trying to act what they think is black walkin around with the baggy pants screamin dawg, homey and realisticaly just lookin like a bunch of clowns. "
dont get me wrong i understand 100% your comnents about 'wiggers', white people scared of their own identity or whatever.... and dont try and front on me... theres black people our there who embrace and try and identify with that 'ignint' pants saggin, flag hangin etc etc image too.
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I think blamin Eminem is a cop-out. For every Eminem there will always be 3 KRS 1.
"wiggers" and "uncle toms" are a problem but so is poverty and racism what can we do. but Tupac Shakur is great, but for every reason you say why he is great, one can say why other rappers are just as or more great, but until people study hip hop culture, they won't really understand what makes an mc great, all this is just emotions speakin.
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For a long time I thought Tupac was not great and I still feel that. I think there was a lot of hype surrounding him.
I do respect him now for the way he let people believe in they selves. He made a lot of people proud.
Still, I think he was not that great at all as an mc. Rhymes where basic a lot of the times and, musically, it wasn't all that good either.
I know I'm steppin on some toes with this, bit this is how I felt and how I feel. Pac has been overrated.
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No, But I got banned for my views on Eminem. I dont care what nobodys says. He's torn apart the hip hop industry. The chance most black people had to go have an opportunity to get paper was destroyed because Eminem chose to twist hip hop culture into a pop circuis act, because of that we have 2 starving families which could have been wealthy feel me. But on the real tho I aint no racist. I admited he had skillz but said he had no business doing what he was doing. I just hate white people trying to act what they think is black walkin around with the baggy pants screamin dawg, homey and realisticaly just lookin like a bunch of clowns.
But for the white people who dont give a fuk and can be themselves, I got respect for them, aint got no hate or racist remarks
So basically your saying that Eminem shouldn't be rapping? If that's the case then us Black Folks shouldn't be playing basketball because a WHITE MAN invented basketball. I don't like Eminem but it's not his fault that the fans are into this Hip-Pop shit. The fans buy what they like. If they didn't like it then they wouldn't buy it. He just put his product out there & they scooped it up.
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::) im staying outa this one ::)
hahhah
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Nothing to stay out of. Listen Eminem wants to go and play basketball FINE. I dont got no problem at all with him ryhming or rappin. But he comes into the hip hop game, play by the rules, if you wanna elevate and try to change the game change it for the better feel me dont be pushing numbers by providing comedy antics for the little kids, dressing up in robin suits and shit making hip hop look like a comedy act. Hip hop is deadly serious, it's the origin of all music and if he came in being real and himself then fine, I wouldnt have no problem. If Vanilla Ice had been himself and true he'd still be here today I gurentee that but he aint. Eminem himself knows he fukd up by acting like an idiot parading around. I wouldnt go into hard rock music all goth like but wearing a nice clean Armani suit now would I? Changing the games fine, replacing the face is not fine. Because of Eminems stupiditiy he has caused the people like Britney, christina, Justin etc (people he constantly dissed on record) to be able to slide into the hip hop game, he opened the door for all these stupid bitches and because the door aint a very large one, this causes other real talent from the streets (where hip hop should mostly be coming from) to sitand not have a job u get it
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Hip hop is deadly serious, it's the origin of all music
I agree with your first remark. Hip hop has the ability to speak about anything that is happening in the real world.
I think hip hop is not the origin of all music. Hip hop itself has its roots in reggae, jazz, soul, and funk. Basically, it's a relatively new form of music. And not any type of music nowadays is influenced by dope beats and deep bass.
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So there are folks out there that know what Im talkin about. Hay I aint sayin Eminem shouldnt be in this business but if he's gonna be in it at least play by the rules. Shit I aint gonna play soccer bouncin the ball or play basketball kickin it around the court feel me
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if it wasnt for his beef with biggie and his untimely death
he wouldnt be considered as great he is. also he died when he was at his best. for all u know he might even have mellowed down in time and paid more attention to acting like cube. guess we'll never know
just my opinion