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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: abusive on June 04, 2014, 07:06:01 AM
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Youtube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67iesFy0pJA
Download mp3 here:
http://hugefiles.net/62p9i5a33vfc
I just peeped this the other day:
Confirmation on craziest incident in Monster Kody's book & history of Rollin Avenues & Rollin 60s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpfK5KlTH78
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damn this is a big drop... much PROPS
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Awesome. This is new and always good hearing 2pac talking.
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Awesome. This is new and always good hearing 2pac talking.
yeah it was cool... he was speaking candidly you can tell he never would of thought this would leaked. How honestly he answered that question about, "How is it at Death Row?"... "It's good... so far". I mean he just answered that question so privately and genuinely.
If media had asked him the same question you know it would of been like, "I'm ridin for Death Row, fucc Bad Boy" and all that... so it was cool to hear him toned down just chattin it up with a homie he clearly respected.
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Did he say the a team shot him or the supreme team?
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Did he say the a team shot him or the supreme team?
A Team. I always thought the Supreme team was connected to it though.
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Interesting how long stuff was in the making... this is 1995, and they were already talking about Antoine Fuqua (Training Day, etc.). They also mentioned Bone, who I immediately assumed was Cle "Bone" Sloan (from APB/Jungles), but I knew it was him when they talked about how Bone wanted to do a documentary that involved the Black Panthers, which is pretty much what Bone did for that HBO special Bastards of the Party back in 2007, which even featured Monster... twelve years later.
Note how Pac talked about for him the "movement was first" and the "gangbang shit was second."
It was interesting how even at that young of an age without ever really having done any real time until then, he already understood prison politics. While it seems dangerous on the surface, it was probably a smart move for him to push for staying in genpop instead of going into PC.
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This is one of the greatest leaks related to Tupac in the HISTORY of 2Pac shit leaking on the internet.
Amazing to hear Pac speaking candidly like that. It's great to hear HIM explain the circumstances of the 94 shooting. All along Tupac KNEW that the dudes who shot him also orchestrated the rape charge.
With the exception of "Against All Odds," Pac didn't like to give too many details about those bitch niggas when he was speaking on the record. Great to hear him say what he really knew.
Also interesting how he talked about BANGING and how his motivation for it was the 94 shooting. That made Pac switch up his mentality. Fuck the rap game nigga it's M.O.B.
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This is one of the greatest leaks related to Tupac in the HISTORY of 2Pac shit leaking on the internet.
Amazing to hear Pac speaking candidly like that. It's great to hear HIM explain the circumstances of the 94 shooting. All along Tupac KNEW that the dudes who shot him also orchestrated the rape charge.
With the exception of "Against All Odds," Pac didn't like to give too many details about those bitch niggas when he was speaking on the record. Great to hear him say what he really knew.
Also interesting how he talked about BANGING and how his motivation for it was the 94 shooting. That made Pac switch up his mentality. Fuck the rap game nigga it's M.O.B.
100% agree with this. The most important leak in many many years, or maybe ever. Pure awesome.
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Y'all need to cop both monster kody's books, i been reading em for years now and they're amazing books....
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Also, it's funny how he called John Singleton a coward.
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This is great!! I'm just wondering why this was recorded and where it came from?? So crazy to hear him so candid and humble..PAC really was more than so many give him credit for??his intentions were great.. I just feel the gangbangin shit swallowed him..no telling the changes he could of made if his life wasn't cut short..
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This is great!! I'm just wondering why this was recorded and where it came from?? So crazy to hear him so candid and humble..PAC really was more than so many give him credit for??his intentions were great.. I just feel the gangbangin shit swallowed him..no telling the changes he could of made if his life wasn't cut short..
yeah, no doubt... why the hell was it recorded? Somebody violated Pac's privacy.
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This is great!! I'm just wondering why this was recorded and where it came from?? So crazy to hear him so candid and humble..PAC really was more than so many give him credit for??his intentions were great.. I just feel the gangbangin shit swallowed him..no telling the changes he could of made if his life wasn't cut short..
yeah, no doubt... why the hell was it recorded? Somebody violated Pac's privacy.
...and that reminds me of the What'z Ya Phone # outro
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The FBI were also listening in on this phone call ;)
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One thing I was surprised at was Monster Kody's explanation of the word "Understand"... This is a legitimate legalease term that police use to entrap you into legislative code. The meaning for it is to "stand under ones authority". There are many entrapment words that sound like English, but which have different meanings and "understand" was one of them......
Understand = Stand Under
Request = Beg
Must = May ~ When you see the word "must" in a letter, it actually means "may"
Register = Tranfer ~ As in tranfer ownership to whoever you "register" it to
Since 2008, this has been more discussed quietly, so for him to know that in 1996 was pretty damn good because lawyers (no matter how much you pay them) will tell you that shit
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This is cool to hear but I'm also wondering why this was recorded? Was Monster Kody in jail?
"The girl who did this rape shit...she hooked up with the niggas that shot me".
Crazy
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Did he say the a team shot him or the supreme team?
http://books.google.com/books?id=aW1CdaYjwDgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=hip+hop+police+a+team&hl=en&sa=X&ei=srWXU7rAGZHJsQSmrILICg&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=%20a-team&f=false
I would say start on page 37 and keep reading. King Tut is named as one of primary leaders of the a-team.
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It's kind of sad that most artists seem only influenced by Pac's beef shit and more of them aren't trying for something like the plan he proposed in this conversation about getting the top rappers to visit the gangs and created times where there will be no dealing or shooting and the kids can occupy the streets. I am not sure that ever would have worked but just the fact that he was willing to allow his influence to try and make those moves speaks volumes about his ambition.
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It's kind of sad that most artists seem only influenced by Pac's beef shit and more of them aren't trying for something like the plan he proposed in this conversation about getting the top rappers to visit the gangs and created times where there will be no dealing or shooting and the kids can occupy the streets. I am not sure that ever would have worked but just the fact that he was willing to allow his influence to try and make those moves speaks volumes about his ambition.
Couldn't have said it better myself. As an old school head approaching 40 I miss the 90's and the cultural significance of the music.
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No doubt. A lot of it is some of the fans too though. A lot of these cats ride the man's nuts so thoroughly that I just feel compelled to play devil's advocate and I am truthfully one of the biggest admirers of this guy's work out there but sometimes, perspective is just needed. I do greatly miss having an artist like him around with real goals and plans.
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You have to remember that the FBI was listening to these phone calls too. As time goes on, it becomes clearer that he wasn't just the victim of a gang beef
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No doubt. A lot of it is some of the fans too though. A lot of these cats ride the man's nuts so thoroughly that I just feel compelled to play devil's advocate and I am truthfully one of the biggest admirers of this guy's work out there but sometimes, perspective is just needed. I do greatly miss having an artist like him around with real goals and plans.
But the missing factor is execution. Pac had a lot of cool ideas and was so outspoken and articulate about them that you really thought they were going to happen, but they didn't. I suppose you can't really fault the guy since he got killed unexpectedly and at a fairly young age, but to play devil's advocate too, what we had was a lot of talk and not a lot of follow-through.
I thought Pac's plans to go through certain areas and speak to the OGs there was actually good... but considering that this conversation between him and Monster most likely took place in late 1995, how much time did they need to make some moves? Going by Pac's words, all it would really take is some plane tickets and a van rental. And at that point in time, it's not like a lot of the rappers who he spoke of (or would likely approach to take with him to specific areas) were probably all that busy, outside of recording music.
Unfortunately most of his ideas for the betterment of the community didn't quite make it to fruition. So we have to go with what we were left with: the music, the movies and the memories. But let's not forget that while Pac talked about things to bring people together (aside from trying to clean up the streets, there was the youth athletics league, community centers, etc.), outside of the music and the movies, he was hanging out a lot with Suge and getting involved with some of the things that Suge was a part of. I think it's fair to consider what a man actually did, a little bit more than what he wanted to do.
And let's not forget that at the end of the day, Pac was a rapper... not a revolutionary, despite his roots. He was not MLK, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, or any of those people. People focus on the negatives all of the time, but for some reason, people look down upon when it's applied to Pac and the gangbanging shit (which we're just recently getting actual evidence of, as there's no secret of the Black Panther upbringing so there isn't a need to talk about that over and over and over again when there is nothing new to be discovered). But that's just reality, whether it's fair or not. If you talk about priests, someone is bound to crack some joke about kids getting molested long before talking about the good that they do. If you talk about Penn State, no matter how good their sports teams are doing that season, someone is going to bring up the Sandusky scandal. If you talk about Suge, people will talk about how they feel he fucked everyone over with no regard for the fact that he was an integral part of the creation of the albums that get discussed regularly on this board or that he gave people from various inner city neighborhoods jobs and funded a lot of events (free concerts, turkey giveaways, holiday banquets, etc.).
And if I asked everyone to put up a list of their top fifty movies of all time, no one will say Gone with the Wind, Casablanca, etc., but I don't doubt movies with violence like Godfather, Godfather II, Scarface, Juice, Dark Knight, Terminator 2, etc. will end up higher on most people's lists, even some of you who aren't intrigued by the fascination with Pac's beefs. The dark side of things is entertaining.
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I don't really see the big deal with this audio. It seems like Pac was reverting back to the thug life which he denounced while he was inside. Some of his ideas were good. His thing with the drug dealers wouldn't work either and imo it's just wrong. He should have learned his lesson in NY with the black mafia that you can't work with those type of guys. There has to be a line drawn. Otherwise you are validating them and to a certain extent working with them. **** rewarding drug dealers for killing us. Overall it's cool to hear but I'm not impressed with his plans. I'm not hating either it's great that he wanted to do something. However, the way he wanted to go about it wasn't really all that imo.
You have to remember that the FBI was listening to these phone calls too. As time goes on, it becomes clearer that he wasn't just the victim of a gang beef
I don't see your point. Pac had beef with the FBI, gangs and Black organized crime just to name a few. Why should we automatically assume that the FBI kilt him when some many others wanted him dead to? He was a man of war and died as such. They are listening to all of calls btw and always have been.
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No doubt. A lot of it is some of the fans too though. A lot of these cats ride the man's nuts so thoroughly that I just feel compelled to play devil's advocate and I am truthfully one of the biggest admirers of this guy's work out there but sometimes, perspective is just needed. I do greatly miss having an artist like him around with real goals and plans.
But the missing factor is execution. Pac had a lot of cool ideas and was so outspoken and articulate about them that you really thought they were going to happen, but they didn't. I suppose you can't really fault the guy since he got killed unexpectedly and at a fairly young age, but to play devil's advocate too, what we had was a lot of talk and not a lot of follow-through.
I thought Pac's plans to go through certain areas and speak to the OGs there was actually good... but considering that this conversation between him and Monster most likely took place in late 1995, how much time did they need to make some moves? Going by Pac's words, all it would really take is some plane tickets and a van rental. And at that point in time, it's not like a lot of the rappers who he spoke of (or would likely approach to take with him to specific areas) were probably all that busy, outside of recording music.
Unfortunately most of his ideas for the betterment of the community didn't quite make it to fruition. So we have to go with what we were left with: the music, the movies and the memories. But let's not forget that while Pac talked about things to bring people together (aside from trying to clean up the streets, there was the youth athletics league, community centers, etc.), outside of the music and the movies, he was hanging out a lot with Suge and getting involved with some of the things that Suge was a part of. I think it's fair to consider what a man actually did, a little bit more than what he wanted to do.
And let's not forget that at the end of the day, Pac was a rapper... not a revolutionary, despite his roots. He was not MLK, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, or any of those people. People focus on the negatives all of the time, but for some reason, people look down upon when it's applied to Pac and the gangbanging shit (which we're just recently getting actual evidence of, as there's no secret of the Black Panther upbringing so there isn't a need to talk about that over and over and over again when there is nothing new to be discovered). But that's just reality, whether it's fair or not. If you talk about priests, someone is bound to crack some joke about kids getting molested long before talking about the good that they do. If you talk about Penn State, no matter how good their sports teams are doing that season, someone is going to bring up the Sandusky scandal. If you talk about Suge, people will talk about how they feel he fucked everyone over with no regard for the fact that he was an integral part of the creation of the albums that get discussed regularly on this board or that he gave people from various inner city neighborhoods jobs and funded a lot of events (free concerts, turkey giveaways, holiday banquets, etc.).
And if I asked everyone to put up a list of their top fifty movies of all time, no one will say Gone with the Wind, Casablanca, etc., but I don't doubt movies with violence like Godfather, Godfather II, Scarface, Juice, Dark Knight, Terminator 2, etc. will end up higher on most people's lists, even some of you who aren't intrigued by the fascination with Pac's beefs. The dark side of things is entertaining.
I agree with a lot of the things you said but people dont' realize that 2pac had already gotten involved into some of the philanthropic aspects of the community and social events prior to even signing to Death Row so you can actually label him as a part time social activist and full time rapper before he died. He even participated events when he was with Death Row along side Suge.
I think overall, he had a commitment that he had to keep with DeathRow and I feel that he wasn't going to follow through with a lot of those things until he was able to finish the Death row situation, get his money right, and be a true "boss."
To pull off some of his ideas that he spoke on, if everything go smooth of course you could complete those things in a short time, however some movements takes years and years to develop and it consists of people going in the same path as you, having the same schedule and people being on the same path. With music, and movies as we know being his main source of activity all we can truly say is his social movements weren't top priority, not that he would never do them.
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Death Row as a label were doing more for the community than any other year. Was that to do with 2Pac's influence?