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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: KrazySumwhat on June 24, 2014, 11:16:50 PM
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Apparently?
Seen this on face book. causing a stir? eh i wouldn't be worried about one dudes opinion in some article.
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In my honest opinion, black artists dropping so much whack shit is partly to blame for this shit. But iam guess these white "rappers" pictured here are whack as fuck anyways?
That chick is pretty hot though! is that the white girl rapper that has two hit singles at the same time or what not? maybe i should you tube her?
Thoughts?
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smh
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If rap is makin $$$ again of course they gonna be pushing safe, media friendly artists to us
It's like tv tho, u just switch it off
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well i just you tubed this "Iggy Azalea" she is def a fucking hottie! lol Better rapper than what i expected but its the typical shitty southern modern sound that has been around for the last decade.
So funny though because the video i saw was "work" almost the whitest video i have ever seen with such a black sound ha ha she sounds black to me, for sure.
But yeah, i dunno, all commercial rap is shit whether its black or white and seeing white rappers dominate the charts aint really nothing new um Eminem? but i mean so did Soulja boy and other rappers like that, right?
I dont follow the charts so i guess i really have no idea. I know that the local rap scene here has really taken off and the kids seem to prefer white rap, i also notice white rap more often than not has that old school hip hop sound that many black rappers dont use anymore(the 90's east coast style i guess you could call it)
But even white Aussie rappers going for the bubble gum pop shit sound these days.. Dont think much of it charts well?
I'd like to actually read the article from that paper. See what is actually said. Not sure if its just about sales or whos currently hot or whos better at it? but i dont even see why in 2014 it has to even be about colour??
Its an art form. I dont think that black people are going to stop rapping. Most white rappers wont have much longevity i wouldn't think. Eminem seem to be the exception.
Anyways..
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Ok so i should have googled this before making the thread;
Rap is transformed by charge of the light brigade, with Iggy Azalea, G-Eazy, Macklemore and more
During the last year, pale rappers have achieved a higher level of prominence and respect than ever before: Macklemore & Ryan Lewis won this year’s Best Rap Album Grammy. Iggy Azalea has the song of the summer with “Fancy.” And emerging star G-Eazy — marketed as the “James Dean of rap” — got 10 million YouTube views for his clips in just the last nine months.
G-Eazy’s highly anticipated new album, “These Things Happen,” which came out Monday, capitalizes on fame he earned opening tours from hip-hop legends Lil Wayne and Drake (whose mother is white).
All of this follows the big buzz surrounding Caucasian emcees like Asher Roth, Mac Miller, Action Bronson, Lil Dicky, T. Mills, Yelawolf and more.
“Whiteness is actually becoming an advantage,” says Jam Donaldson, who has produced documentaries for BET and who runs the Afro-aware pop culture blog hotghettomess.com.
“When Iggy Azalea gets to No. 1 so fast with a rap song, and Nicki Minaj was only able to get to No. 3 with a pop song (“Starships”), you can’t ignore that race was a factor,” says Hot 97 DJ Peter Rosenberg. “Iggy could get that popularity so quickly because of her broad white audience.”
A greater number of white country stars are rapping, too. One of the genre’s biggest successes of the year, Florida Georgia Line, sing in hip-hop cadences. And recently, a brand-new “hick-hop” emcee, Big Smo, debuted in Billboard’s country top 10 with his debut album “Kuntry Livin’.”
All this has caused some observers to imagine extreme scenarios for the future. They worry that rap could follow the history of other art forms created by African-Americans that eventually became dominated by whites. It happened with rock. It happened with the blues. It even happened with traditional banjo music.
“White artists aren’t just adding to the universe of hip hop,” Donaldson says. “They are on the way to replacing black hip-hop artists. As the business model has changed, large record companies may feel that a white rapper ... may be a better bang for their buck.”
For decades, this hardly seemed like even a remote possibility. Most white rappers were viewed by fans of all races as interlopers, poseurs or jokes (see: Vanilla Ice). Only a few, like 3rd Bass and the Beastie Boys, earned credibility along with their sales. When Eminem exploded 15 years ago, his unquestioned genius brought an unprecedented level of respect for a white rapper. In his wake, labels looked hard for “the next Eminem,” and hip-hop fans braced for a flood of white imitators.
But they never came.
Observers say that’s because, for years, the standard for acceptance, held by both fans and the media, centered on street cred and hardness. Those aren’t easy for labels to manufacture. Recently, that focus has shifted.
“Street music is not as big a factor in hip hop,” says Vanessa Satten, editor-in-chief of rap’s top mag, XXL. “It has become focused on mainstream hits. It’s about getting on ‘Ellen.’ ”
That fundamental change gave white artists an in. Typical is Asher Roth: a fresh-faced, suburban rapper from Pennsylvania who nonetheless has been given XXL’s stamp of approval as a worthy new star. Roth admitted that he listened to hip hop for 10 years while “not relating to it at all.”
“Like, damn, I don’t sell coke. I don’t have guns,” he said. “I finally got to a point where I had the confidence to ... make music for me. And, it turns out, a lot of people feel the same way I do.”
There was enough support for Roth’s 2009 song “I Love College” to go platinum. His song is 20 years — and many light years — from the pitched politics of songs like “911 Is a Joke” from Public Enemy’s classic rap album “Fear of a Black Planet.”
“Audiences want artists who look like them and talk about things they can relate to,” says Shawn Setaro, executive editor of Rap Genius, a hip-hop lyric site.
Satten says the rise of white rap is linked to the rise of the Internet.
“In person, (a white kid’s) views on hip hop might have been shouted down,” she says. “But they could go online anonymously in chat rooms and be taken seriously. They created their own community online.”
White rappers also could use websites like YouTube to avoid established hip-hop powerbrokers. That’s how Macklemore built an indie empire. G-Eazy has followed that pattern closely.
Even so, there remains a self-consciousness on the part of some white rappers, who remain sensitive to the form’s African-American roots as well as to its continuing importance to that community. In G-Eazy’s song “The Outsider,” he both acknowledges the suspicions that can still surround white rappers while at the same time asserting his worth.
“White rapper with a cheesy name/thinkin’ he might find easy fame,” he raps. “Haters please refrain/look at all these fans ... real recognizes real.”
But then, who’s defining what’s real? Hot 97’s Rosenberg worries that the trend of young white kids listening to other whites robs them of exposure to other people’s experiences and world views.
“I got into hip hop ... to learn about a different culture,” says the 34-year-old Caucasian. The rap he grew up on taught the world about certain aspects of the black experience. “It’s a bummer if young white kids aren’t forced to step outside their comfort zone,” Rosenberg says.
Even so, he acknowledges that the white-rap new wave is “exposing some really talented artists.”
Other observers feel that the interplay between credible white and black rappers represents a positive evolution.
“This generation views race in a way we’ve never seen before,” says Mark Anthony Neal, a professor of African-American Studies at Duke University. “Most young folks aren’t thinking about the fact that these rappers are white. They see rap as just a form of pop music.”
Power 105 DJ Charlamagne sees no downside to this at all. The addition of white rappers, he says, “makes hip hop overall bigger and better. It’s not even a race thing anymore, or even an American thing. This culture is worldwide.”
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So, are white people now cooler or is it just the fact that hip hop is so whack now that white people are doing so well with it? :D
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I just watched her video again. holly shit, i kinda like it ha ha i wonder if I'd like it without the seein the video though? :D
Iggy Azalea>commercial black rappers.
Dont get it twisted though, i listen to 99% black hip hop.
EDIT:funny comments for her song on you tube lol.
One girl was like "why she acting black" got a reply "how do you act a color"?
I guess she doing the booty shake n hangin with two black chicks?
2ND EDIT: Ok so i just found out that Iggy Azalea is Australian?! Ozzie ozzie ozzie! :D
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If rap is makin $$$ again of course they gonna be pushing safe, media friendly artists to us
It's like tv tho, u just switch it off
Yup. And like you said at the beginning, it's the fault of rappers for putting out so much shitty music that these guys are at the forefront. I don't listen to rappers like Mac Miller, but it's not like that's worse than Jerk Music and all the other trends that have gotten popular over the years.
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If by white hot you mean the white man at the top gets to say who's hot - you're right.
Racism still alive, they just sell it to you in a different way.
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It's not a black or white thing, it's a generational thing. today's artist of all races in Hip-Hop suck. White Hip-Hop peaked at Eminem, but Eminem had to be good or he'd be ignored in his generation of rappers. Right now all rap music is equally as shitty, so no one cares who they listen to. I posted a year ago about Iggy, called her the future "IT" girl of Hip-Hop. Look at the responses.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=300469.0
People got mad I called her the next "IT" girl of Hip-Hop, when what I was saying was she'll be pushed to that spot. Honestly, he is a white, way less talented Nicki Minaj, because no matter what people think about Nicki, she actually is good. The problem is Nicki puts out HORRIBLE music, and she's a waste of great female talent. And you don't need skill to put out bad music, so why not have the white girl with butt implants take the place of the black girl with butt implants. Macklamore, got the Grammy from Kendrick Lamar, and we all know Kendrick is better with the better album and better music.
But this is not new. I mean, check this out, the History of White Rappers.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=135041.0
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'White rap' peaked at the Beastie Boys tho, fuck Eminem
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'White rap' peaked at the Beastie Boys tho, fuck Eminem
Not Everlast?
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'White rap' peaked at the Beastie Boys tho, fuck Eminem
Not Everlast?
LOL
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Oh well. No matter who replaces who as the generations and decades go by for me it's always gonna be Pac, Bone & Nas. Fuck everything else.
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So, how long until Snoop dogg dose a song with Iggy? :laugh:
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White people rapping aint nothing new Joe Strummer recorded a rap "The Magnificent Seven" in April 1980 represents the first attempt by a rock band to write and perform original rap music, and one of the earliest examples of a hip hop records with political and social content. It is the first major white rap record, predating the recording of Blondie's "Rapture" by six months.
The Clash "The Magnificent Seven"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcHL8efKKPE&feature=kp
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White people rapping aint nothing new Joe Strummer recorded a rap "The Magnificent Seven" in April 1980 represents the first attempt by a rock band to write and perform original rap music, and one of the earliest examples of a hip hop records with political and social content. It is the first major white rap record, predating the recording of Blondie's "Rapture" by six months.
The Clash "The Magnificent Seven"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcHL8efKKPE&feature=kp
Nice song
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That white bitch aint shit compared to nicki :-X
White ppl always look goofy af tryna dress "hiphop" now they tryna steal it too smh >:(
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I'll have to check out nikki. I dont think Ive heard her? i prolly would have without knowing its her i guess, same with when i didn't know i had heard iggy.
Yeah but i mean why are blacks dressing white now? by that i mean gay skinny jeans and tight clothing and gay colours? looks terrible or all races. I dunno if white people started that shit or not? I know Asian ppl are big on tight clothes and weird hair colours and looking feminine n shit lol...
So do Asians also look lame trying to dress black?
Anyways how do you even dress white? lol in the old days white ppl dressed like this;
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And Africans like this;
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lol nar in all serious though its funny how fashion changes so much.
I dont think these days there really is a white or black way to dress like there used to be.
Got me thinking how here in Australia you do see some Indians and Arabs and Africans dress traditionally yet most dress more ahh "western" i guess. But that's another subject.
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SMH this would have been a legit article in 2001 but we as a genre and fanbase are so past this shit.
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The only thing the media is pushing is racial tension.
Dude, be real...Eminem is the only legitimate white artist who has dominated the spotlight & has legit recognition as one of the best rappers to ever do it. That was off skill alone that no one can deny. There is no one else white in Hip Hop worth mentioning in the mainstream game today. Besides Macklemore...but there's nothing really wrong/different from what he's doing that isn't already on the radio from a black artist.
Asher Roth is irrelevant as fuck; he's never even had mainstream buzz. Iggy isn't even worth mentioning; she'll be a one hit wonder when "Fancy" dies out & Mac Miller is literally Wiz Khalifa just white lol. I've yet to hear a Yelawolf song on the radio.
Nobody white is doing anything that is "ruining" Hip Hop. The subject matter pushed by the labels is just a lot weaker & there is a lot more singing because that's what sells. Chris Brown & Trey Songz are RnB singers who are making some hybrid ass music with singing hooks, rap-singing verses & maybe they'll throw a Rick Ross or Lil' Wayne on the song to spice things up. And that's DOMINATING the radio. That's the problem with Hip Hop, it's more singing than rapping, not what you're saying but how catchy it sounds over a beat & completely female oriented/club related.
So other than Iggy (for the next two months) & Macklemore who may not even come correct the second time around, but nothing really wrong with his music, nobody white is actually changing anything in Hip Hop lol.
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yeah, here in Australia a few white local rappers have gone reasonably big and gone gold and got radio play an won awards. Well know and respected, sold out shows n that but i dont think any have "dominated" charts.
Some actually have had longevity but not like massive starts. like the most famous rappers from city just hang like normal people, ive hung out with em lol.
Iggy, well she is already not just a one hit wonder because she has more than one hit already but yeah i imagine it will just be a fad and that she wont be in the spot light for too long.
But i hear she doing songs with Rhianna and Katy perry and that so who knows?
I think with white and black rappers its the same. Plenty of dope rappers but the ones that are actually lyrical and make actual hip hop dont/wont chart and are underground as fuck. For the most part. Kendrick and Eminem the exceptions.
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I think the biggest problem today isn't even so much a white-black thing but that hip-hop as a culture does not even have to factor into the equation for someone to be a "hip-hop artist". Eminem, like him or hate him, need to be a student of the game and needed to prove himself for years before he could get that credibility and that was with millions of albums sold. Today, that conversation doesn't even exist.
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yeah good point. These days anyone can be a rapper. And like you said its not about race or what sort of child hood you had or about lyrical ability its just about being marketable and recyclable.
like say soulja boy for example.
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Another factor is the sales are so in the toilet that rappers will fuck with any novelty rapper out there, just to get that money or a little extra shine. When platinum figures were more attainable, the illusion of "artistic integrity" was far more prevalent amongst a lot of artists. Now? Forget it.
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Another factor is the sales are so in the toilet that rappers will fuck with any novelty rapper out there, just to get that money or a little extra shine. When platinum figures were more attainable, the illusion of "artistic integrity" was far more prevalent amongst a lot of artists. Now? Forget it.
Absolutely. Well said +1