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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on August 14, 2014, 09:20:06 AM
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I never really could get my hands on this shit back when there was a big buzz.... but I've been having a little Pac renaissance this summer.... I've been taking a lot of his unreleased songs and making my own mixes and removing any lesser verses/hooks or weak guest appearances.... I'm just now gettin around to this Makeveli and Dillinger shit....
Even though these songs were probably leftovers, you still got Daz and 2pac in their fuckin prime... Daz is blazing the mutherfuckin mic on this shit, he can't be faded. Daz in the 90's is possibly the most slept-on Emcee, because a lot of people thought of him as a producer and he got overshadowed at times by Kurupt and Snoop....
But like I always said Daz was the second greatest producer of the 90's behind Dre and top 5-10 Emcee of the 90's...
...but anyway, we've had that debate before on here... I was startin this thread just to here ya'll thoughts on the Makeveli and Dillinger EP... and anything ya'll remember from it and from the controversy surrounding it.. I don't see how Daz did anything wrong.. like he said it is his music that he did with Pac so how can anybody tell him what he should or shouldn't do with it
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A Pac album all produced by Daz thats some good ass shit my nigga ... On some epic shit loc. Daz always produced that heat back in the day.
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dream team? big words.
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U tweakin...u sound kinda suspect talkin bout that nigga like that tho bro :D
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Daz has never been a top 10 emcee. Great producer no doubt though.
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Daz has never been a top 10 emcee. Great producer no doubt though.
not even in the top 50...
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A Pac album all produced by Daz thats some good ass shit my nigga ... On some epic shit loc. Daz always produced that heat back in the day.
word... but Daz work on the boards for this one is nothin spectacular, it's more noteworthy what he's doin behind the mic, dude was one fire in this era
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A Pac album all produced by Daz thats some good ass shit my nigga ... On some epic shit loc. Daz always produced that heat back in the day.
Infidel is wrong, this was released in the early 2000 and it was about 4 tracks that got remixed about 4 times each.
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In fact, they never leaked the full album, it was only a partial leak, sold as official before Afeni closed up shop on it. Part 2 was even worse just a collection of songs.
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In fact, they never leaked the full album, it was only a partial leak, sold as official before Afeni closed up shop on it. Part 2 was even worse just a collection of songs.
Thats fucked up Jasmin. The Pac tracks produced by Daz is bangin.
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Most of the production on there was by Mike Dean anyway.
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it was about 4 tracks that got remixed about 4 times each.
I did have chop some shit up because it seemed like on some of the tracks the chorus "Don't-Go-To-Sleep Get You Cash On..." and "First to Bomb, fucc your side..." were repeated a million times throughout the EP... also there is some lesser known rapper on Dumpin, I thought he sounded like Gonzo or some cat from the Bay, I cut his shit (he's also on some other Pac/DPG cuts floatin around like "This Life I Lead") as well.....
A lot of this shit does sound like out-takes.... if you strip it all down to just the Daz and Pac verses then your gonna get some heat
And why is "They Don't Give A Fuck About Us" on there?
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Most of the production on there was by Mike Dean anyway.
no wonder it was leftover shit and not Daz A Game on production (but it was Daz A game on the mic)... fucc Mike Dean... wish Suge could've beat his ass...
...Anyway, I see what Suge means about Afeni and them promoting a softer side of Pac because in most of these unreleased tracks he did with Daz he is goin to war
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The songs were bangin but it was never released in full just remixed of 3 or so main tracks. Part 2 was wack.
http://www.dubcnn.com/mixtapes/daz-dillingermakaveli2/
Tracklist Hide Credits
1 Wake Up My People (The Intro) 0:46
2 Don't Go 2 Sleep
Featuring – Kurupt
3:47
3 First 2 Bomb
Featuring – Tanya Herron
4:56
4 I'm Dumpin'
Featuring – Young Assasins
4:55
5 Let's Fight (Aka "Niggaz Wanna Get It On") 3:29
6 First 2 Bomb (Original Version)
Featuring – Outlawz, The
3:46
7 Don't Go 2 Sleep (Original Version)
Featuring – E.D.I.
4:27
8 They Don't Give A Fuck About Us (Original Mix)
Featuring – Outlawz, The
5:13
9 Don't Go 2 Sleep (Soul G-Mix)
Featuring – Kurupt
5:02
10 Only Move 4 Tha Money
Featuring – Bad Azz
3:12
11 First 2 Bomb (Bbk Mix) 4:53
12 First 2 Bomb (Instrumental) (Bonus Track)
That's not an EP 12 tracks...Bad Azz song was already released.
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They don't give Daz any production credit on the Better Dayz version of "They Don't Give A Fuck About Us".
...and who are the Young Assasins? Whoever they are I cut them out of the track
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They don't give Daz any production credit on the Still I Rise version of "They Don't Give A Fuck About Us".
...and who are the Young Assasins? Whoever they are I cut them out of the track
they don't give a fuck about us wasn't even on still i rise
and Eastwood was one of the YA's
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They don't give Daz any production credit on the Still I Rise version of "They Don't Give A Fuck About Us".
...and who are the Young Assasins? Whoever they are I cut them out of the track
you serious? Y.A. is the crew of Kurupt's younger brother Roscoe. On dumpin are Roscoe, Eastwood, Ace and Tristar.
and the only rapper to appear on Dumpin and Daz's This Life I Lead album is Roscoe, who is not that unknown.
The EP sucked because of the low sound quality and the bad mixed tracks. Only songs I still bump are Dumpin and Don't Go To Sleep with Kurupt.
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What people are not understanding here is that only about 3 tracks with Pac and Daz. This was to be a full album with Pac and Daz but Daz couldn't get clearance on most of the material. So, he threw on a bunch of remixes and other tracks on the project. This release hit the streets and not the stores. DPGRECORDZ.com made a killing off a project that never got finished. OG CRICCET LOCC bootlegged it and bought his ticket to America.
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Okay.. I've now been listening to this Makeveli and Dillinger project for a bit and it really isn't that nice after alll... The beats were either leftover Daz beats or Mike Dean beats so nothing special there, Daz spits fire and his flow is on point but nothing special with the subject matter/content from either Pac or Daz, just left over verses, throw away verses that never would of seen the light of day had Pac lived.
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What people are not understanding here is that only about 3 tracks with Pac and Daz. This was to be a full album with Pac and Daz but Daz couldn't get clearance on most of the material. So, he threw on a bunch of remixes and other tracks on the project. This release hit the streets and not the stores. DPGRECORDZ.com made a killing off a project that never got finished. OG CRICCET LOCC bootlegged it and bought his ticket to America.
Lmfao @ OG CRICCET LOCC bootlegged it and bought his ticket to america ;D
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What people are not understanding here is that only about 3 tracks with Pac and Daz. This was to be a full album with Pac and Daz but Daz couldn't get clearance on most of the material. So, he threw on a bunch of remixes and other tracks on the project. This release hit the streets and not the stores. DPGRECORDZ.com made a killing off a project that never got finished. OG CRICCET LOCC bootlegged it and bought his ticket to America.
Lmfao @ OG CRICCET LOCC bootlegged it and bought his ticket to america ;D
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Okay.. I've now been listening to this Makeveli and Dillinger project for a bit and it really isn't that nice after alll... The beats were either leftover Daz beats or Mike Dean beats so nothing special there, Daz spits fire and his flow is on point but nothing special with the subject matter/content from either Pac or Daz, just left over verses, throw away verses that never would of seen the light of day had Pac lived.
agree with most of that except that the Mike Dean remixes are fire IMO especially First 2 Bomb
What people are not understanding here is that only about 3 tracks with Pac and Daz. This was to be a full album with Pac and Daz but Daz couldn't get clearance on most of the material. So, he threw on a bunch of remixes and other tracks on the project. This release hit the streets and not the stores. DPGRECORDZ.com made a killing off a project that never got finished. OG CRICCET LOCC bootlegged it and bought his ticket to America.
+1
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It's good stuff. I still bump it, but First 2 Bomb and Don't Go to Sleep are the gems, then everything else lags behind the OGs.
Personally, I think a Daz-produced Pac and Kurupt album while on Death Row would've been a realistic dream album.
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It's good stuff. I still bump it, but First 2 Bomb and Don't Go to Sleep are the gems, then everything else lags behind the OGs.
Personally, I think a Daz-produced Pac and Kurupt album while on Death Row would've been a realistic dream album.
Kurupt doesn't have the range in content to hold his own with Pac for a whole album. And as much as I love Daz, he doesn't either... Pac can do albums with his disciples like Thug Life or the Outlawz because they were 100% under 2pac's guidance and ministry. Kurupt and Daz were platinum in their own right and they had their own character. Notice the range of Pac's content is severely limited in this effort with Daz.
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What a bullshit ^^ ;D
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LOL on Mike Dean. Mike Dean was probably the best thing Daz had going for him and he fucked him over or some ghetto ass shit. Mike's eating good with Kanye's goofy ass now. I'm sure Kanye is paying him good and knows business WAY better then Daz.
DAZ ripped off his fans on this album. I think he charged $200 or something and people paid and never got it. This is where I lost all respect for the clown and his business. He took me on $25 for a couple CDs and T-Shirts (never got it). This is back in 2000ish time on DPGRECORDZ.COM. I laugh now at bootlegging Daz because he fucked his FANS over, so he deserves it.
Daz and Makaveli wouldn't have been a great album. Daz is not even in 2pac's league. The few songs they have are enough.
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LOL on Mike Dean. Mike Dean was probably the best thing Daz had going for him and he fucked him over or some ghetto ass shit. Mike's eating good with Kanye's goofy ass now. I'm sure Kanye is paying him good and knows business WAY better then Daz.
DAZ ripped off his fans on this album. I think he charged $200 or something and people paid and never got it. This is where I lost all respect for the clown and his business. He took me on $25 for a couple CDs and T-Shirts (never got it). This is back in 2000ish time on DPGRECORDZ.COM. I laugh now at bootlegging Daz because he fucked his FANS over, so he deserves it.
Daz and Makaveli wouldn't have been a great album. Daz is not even in 2pac's league. The few songs they have are enough.
he at first charged 500 bucks per copy (and was gonna do 1,000 copies to make a million)
then he went to 50 bucks a copy and allegedly pressed up 100,000 although i bet he pressed up 10,000 at most.
and of course daz didn't send out anything nor did he refund i remember he once promised free DPG clothing to people who ordered but daz never did shit. what did Daz have to say about it when i confronted him on this forum" "GANK MOVE" - his exact words :D
daz is a nobody in the rap game now and its just karma for the way he treated his fans and homies in the rap game. daz is such a nobody he posts at dubcc still lol
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LOL on Mike Dean. Mike Dean was probably the best thing Daz had going for him and he fucked him over or some ghetto ass shit. Mike's eating good with Kanye's goofy ass now. I'm sure Kanye is paying him good and knows business WAY better then Daz.
DAZ ripped off his fans on this album. I think he charged $200 or something and people paid and never got it. This is where I lost all respect for the clown and his business. He took me on $25 for a couple CDs and T-Shirts (never got it). This is back in 2000ish time on DPGRECORDZ.COM. I laugh now at bootlegging Daz because he fucked his FANS over, so he deserves it.
Daz and Makaveli wouldn't have been a great album. Daz is not even in 2pac's league. The few songs they have are enough.
After further listen this project was pretty weak... just some leftover stuff anyway...Yeah, when I talk about Daz I'm talking about the 90's Death Row Daz. That's the Daz that was unfadeable from 92-99...I can't vouch for whatever he was doing post-Death Row. His first album after Death Row did have some bangers for sure, but it was thrown together a little sloppily. It's also likely many of those bangers were part of his Death Row stash.
...but as for Mike Dean he belongs with the likes of Kanye. He never deserved to be in the same company as the Death Row greats.
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It's good stuff. I still bump it, but First 2 Bomb and Don't Go to Sleep are the gems, then everything else lags behind the OGs.
Personally, I think a Daz-produced Pac and Kurupt album while on Death Row would've been a realistic dream album.
Kurupt doesn't have the range in content to hold his own with Pac for a whole album. And as much as I love Daz, he doesn't either... Pac can do albums with his disciples like Thug Life or the Outlawz because they were 100% under 2pac's guidance and ministry. Kurupt and Daz were platinum in their own right and they had their own character. Notice the range of Pac's content is severely limited in this effort with Daz.
Kurupt doesn't have Pac's range in content, but his lyrical ability is ahead of Pac's (though at times it's not the case, like when we get the Kurupt who rapped on Xxplosive). But they could easily make an album's worth of songs and it all be dope. Kurupt can hold his own for an entire album, even if the subject matter isn't broad... Tha Streetz Iz a Mutha is a fucking classic. You can't underrate the emcee shit that some guys spit, as long as they have some good energy behind them. Take Big L for example.
LOL on Mike Dean. Mike Dean was probably the best thing Daz had going for him and he fucked him over or some ghetto ass shit. Mike's eating good with Kanye's goofy ass now. I'm sure Kanye is paying him good and knows business WAY better then Daz.
DAZ ripped off his fans on this album. I think he charged $200 or something and people paid and never got it. This is where I lost all respect for the clown and his business. He took me on $25 for a couple CDs and T-Shirts (never got it). This is back in 2000ish time on DPGRECORDZ.COM. I laugh now at bootlegging Daz because he fucked his FANS over, so he deserves it.
Daz and Makaveli wouldn't have been a great album. Daz is not even in 2pac's league. The few songs they have are enough.
he at first charged 500 bucks per copy (and was gonna do 1,000 copies to make a million)
then he went to 50 bucks a copy and allegedly pressed up 100,000 although i bet he pressed up 10,000 at most.
and of course daz didn't send out anything nor did he refund i remember he once promised free DPG clothing to people who ordered but daz never did shit. what did Daz have to say about it when i confronted him on this forum" "GANK MOVE" - his exact words :D
Yup. He kept both options, but the $500 option was going to be a signed album that came with a DPG Recordz varsity jacket (like what they wore in Kurupt's G-TV DVD).
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It's good stuff. I still bump it, but First 2 Bomb and Don't Go to Sleep are the gems, then everything else lags behind the OGs.
Personally, I think a Daz-produced Pac and Kurupt album while on Death Row would've been a realistic dream album.
Kurupt doesn't have the range in content to hold his own with Pac for a whole album. And as much as I love Daz, he doesn't either... Pac can do albums with his disciples like Thug Life or the Outlawz because they were 100% under 2pac's guidance and ministry. Kurupt and Daz were platinum in their own right and they had their own character. Notice the range of Pac's content is severely limited in this effort with Daz.
Kurupt doesn't have Pac's range in content, but his lyrical ability is ahead of Pac's (though at times it's not the case, like when we get the Kurupt who rapped on Xxplosive). But they could easily make an album's worth of songs and it all be dope. Kurupt can hold his own for an entire album, even if the subject matter isn't broad... Tha Streetz Iz a Mutha is a fucking classic. You can't underrate the emcee shit that some guys spit, as long as they have some good energy behind them. Take Big L for example.
about it when i confronted him on this forum" "GANK MOVE" - his exact words :D
A lot of what you say is true. Space Boogie was bangin cuz from beginning to end as what dpg 1 because of Kurupt. Outside of Raw, you can't say the same about Daz.
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You can't underrate the emcee shit that some guys spit, as long as they have some good energy behind them. Take Big L for example.
I don't underrate Kurupt. He is one of my all-time favorites. Everything he did at Death Row was fire, and he also had some really good stuff after that (and some really bad too). But I'm one of Kurupt's biggest fans on here... I was just saying he doesn't have the range that Pac does. That doesn't mean Kurupt isn't still a great rapper. It's just when it comes to subject matter and making a full album Pac needs to be with his disciples that will follow his ministry to the fullest, like Thug Life and the Outlawz. It can't be just one rapper like Kurupt holding his own with Pac, that's not possible for any rapper to be in a duo album with Pac like that.