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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Shallow on January 11, 2015, 06:57:42 PM
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And John Fox and Del Rio have to go.
How many times does he have to lose the exact same kind of game for someone around him to wake up? The only guy on that team I have any regard for is CJ Anderson, a real fighter.
Peyton played like shit, lets get that out of the way, but he usually plays like this when a defense roughs up and plays tight against his ballerina WRs. This was a team not willing to lay it out. Peyton included. he had an easy run for a first down and didn't take it, and forced way too many deep over throws when the middle was taken away. I was very upset when they simply didn't just stick to the 6 man offensive line and two TE run game with CJ like they were doing most of December. Instead they played right into the hands of the same defense that always beats his offense. If it weren't for Anderson this would have been 30+ to 7.
He needs to go to a team that can still keep the game close when the QB is off, and he needs WRs that don't run timing routes but instead just create space and get balls. And he could have had that if jhe had went to SF or Seattle, but he picked these bums and hes getting what he deserves.
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he should go to Arizona and take Demariyus and Orange Julius with him
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Lol when I saw this thread title somehow I knew it was yours.
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he should go to Arizona and take Demariyus and Orange Julius with him
Keep those guys the fuck away from him. Julius has no clue how to use his size and DT gets scared in the spotlight. He dropped two the easiest screen passes I've seen. Manning had one really bad play where it was 3rd and 5 and an easy run for the first but he threw it to the sideline and Sanders went out of bounds.
Manning missed on a few deep balls, but these aren't easy balls to complete in general. The Colts managed to take the entire middle of the field away and the WRs couldn't get any separation. When I saw Wes Welker not able to identify a blitz and stop on a route I realized this is simply a team that can't play in a tough match up.
Arizona has all the receivers it needs. Marshawn Lynch would be a great. But even CJ Anderson coming with him would be good enough.
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Lol when I saw this thread title somehow I knew it was yours.
Don't laugh. You at least have the benefit of having a coach that isn't a complete fuck up and pussy. I have to deal with the Bills new hire every 3 years and all the softies Manning gets screwed over with each time. And even before Pete, Holmgren is a way better HC than the clowns I have to deal with.
Manning needs year off again. Denver will stink t up and get a top draft pick and then he can return to a new staff and a new philosophy.
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Lol when I saw this thread title somehow I knew it was yours.
Don't laugh. You at least have the benefit of having a coach that isn't a complete fuck up and pussy. I have to deal with the Bills new hire every 3 years and all the softies Manning gets screwed over with each time. And even before Pete, Holmgren is a way better HC than the clowns I have to deal with.
Manning needs year off again. Denver will stink t up and get a top draft pick and then he can return to a new staff and a new philosophy.
Don't you have to look in the mirror eventually though? I mean, is it never Manning's fault?
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LMAO. Stop.
This is the best team he's been on by far in his career. He just couldn't get it done. He can't win when it counts. You cried forever about him having the things he currently has. Said for years that Peyton is the coach...now you're going to blame the coaching staff.
C'mon, guy.
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Lol when I saw this thread title somehow I knew it was yours.
Don't laugh. You at least have the benefit of having a coach that isn't a complete fuck up and pussy. I have to deal with the Bills new hire every 3 years and all the softies Manning gets screwed over with each time. And even before Pete, Holmgren is a way better HC than the clowns I have to deal with.
Manning needs year off again. Denver will stink t up and get a top draft pick and then he can return to a new staff and a new philosophy.
Don't you have to look in the mirror eventually though? I mean, is it never Manning's fault?
Not until he loses on a team that wouldn't suck without him. I admitted he played poorly, but again, so did everyone else. If Peyton went to Seattle and the D made all the plays and the Hawks lost 6-3 then I'd blame Manning. But when you make Luck's oline look like the 90s Cowboys I have to look at that shit D first
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LMAO. Stop.
This is the best team he's been on by far in his career. He just couldn't get it done. He can't win when it counts. You cried forever about him having the things he currently has. Said for years that Peyton is the coach...now you're going to blame the coaching staff.
C'mon, guy.
Go back and see my posts when he picked Denver. I was against it from the start. Against Fox fromthe start. And what does he currently have? Sa e bums he had in Indy, except CJ. An undrafted practice squad guy that only got his shot after everyone else got hurt.
And I never said he was better than great coaches or that he never needed them.
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Best defense he's had by a mile and a half.
Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker & Emmanuel Sanders are above & beyond the best WR core in the league. Honestly can't remember the last core where top three on the depth chart & the TE were as skilled as these guys.
He did it all year. Dominated teams. Regularly put up 30+ points. Then in the playoffs, when it matter, crawled into the shell & put up the second lowest total on the season. At least he was on the road against a stacked Rams defense when they put up 7. But in the playoffs, at home against a very mediocre Colts defense that could get smoked for 35 by the Patriots next weekend? Unacceptable.
I'd even partially put up with this "coaches fault" nonsense if all year they struggled to put up 17 PPG. But the fact they had one of the most dynamic offenses in the league, then they throw up a complete dud? C'mon guy.
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I guess you didnt watch this team in December against Cinci or Buffalo. Best team he's had on paper, but the 06 Colts, 05 Colts, 04 Colts would have killed the 14 Broncos. 09 Colts too.
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Well if those teams played this years team in January, there would probably be a tie because this guy just doesn't know how to win this time of year. But regular season it wouldn't have been close. This year's defense is above & beyond what he's ever had. The offensive line is bleh, but still better than any Colts O-line. There is almost no ground to stand on or basis for the statement you just said about those older Colt teams other than being in pure denial & needing to act like Manning "doesn't have enough around him"...like the good old days of losing in Indy.
Not shocked Cinci & Buffalo (strong defenses) slowed him, even though he dropped 28 on Cinci & actually won the game against the Bills. He proved 11 months ago, in the worst game he's ever played that he's not mobile enough to succeed when he is draped in pressure. That's why the Jets hung in there Week 2.
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Well if those teams played this years team in January, there would probably be a tie because this guy just doesn't know how to win this time of year. But regular season it wouldn't have been close. This year's defense is above & beyond what he's ever had. The offensive line is bleh, but still better than any Colts O-line. There is almost no ground to stand on or basis for the statement you just said about those older Colt teams other than being in pure denial & needing to act like Manning "doesn't have enough around him"...like the good old days of losing in Indy.
Not shocked Cinci & Buffalo (strong defenses) slowed him, even though he dropped 28 on Cinci & actually won the game against the Bills. He proved 11 months ago, in the worst game he's ever played that he's not mobile enough to succeed when he is draped in pressure. That's why the Jets hung in there Week 2.
On paper everything you say is true, but no one other than CJ Anderson played even half decent in this past loss, Peyton included I'll agree. But to say this was a great team that Peyton just couldn't do it with is absurd. They played like shit across the board. Clady has been hurt for a while and has become a liability. DT was dropping routine screen passes, Julius has no clue how to create space or use his size, Wes Welker was missing on easy blitz drops, but he's been off all year. Sanders was running some nice deep routes but those throws are hard to make, and this news of a torn quad for Manning may be why he was throwing the balls so far ahead. Ware and Miller were about as bad a pass rushing duo as there is in the NFL (this game and for large parts of the season). And Talib was letting TY running all around him.
If you want to believe all that is because Manning isn't a great enough leader to make these guys make plays, go ahead. Its simply not a philosophy I buy into. Its not so much about talent. Manning's teams lose the ssame way to the same kind of teams since since first year. His teams have a lt of great talent but when a game becomes a fist fight they don't have many fighters. One of the main reason Elway finished 2-0 in Superbowls and not the 0-3 he started with was Bill Romanowski. If Elway's Broncos had him they may have won a couple of those those 3 losses. They certainly wouldn't have been blown out the way they were.
When there are dirty fist fighters on one team but not the other the soft team almost always loses.
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Hey, at least they got their revenge in the the Pre-Season Superbowl match up. That's what really matters.
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Hey, at least they got their revenge in the the Pre-Season Superbowl match up. That's what really matters.
Keep laughing. I just hope you don't lose too many key players in the soon to be monster contract for Russell Wilson. Lynch is gone for sure, but you better hope those monster defensive players don't end up taking off for big money.
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Hey, at least they got their revenge in the the Pre-Season Superbowl match up. That's what really matters.
Keep laughing. I just hope you don't lose too many key players in the soon to be monster contract for Russell Wilson. Lynch is gone for sure, but you better hope those monster defensive players don't end up taking off for big money.
Lynch is gone "fore sure"? You never know with Marshawn, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't back next season, he's still under contract. What makes you so certain? As far as the defense, Thomas, Sherman, Kam, Avril, Bennett, and Wright are all locked up and the FO has shown the ability to draft and develop defensive guys in later rounds time and time again. Anyways, I don't know why you're taking offense to that. You just ripped the Broncos and I was making fun of players like Talib that were acting like a preseason game was equivalent to the superbowl.
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Hey, at least they got their revenge in the the Pre-Season Superbowl match up. That's what really matters.
Keep laughing. I just hope you don't lose too many key players in the soon to be monster contract for Russell Wilson. Lynch is gone for sure, but you better hope those monster defensive players don't end up taking off for big money.
Lynch is gone "fore sure"? You never know with Marshawn, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't back next season, he's still under contract. What makes you so certain? As far as the defense, Thomas, Sherman, Kam, Avril, Bennett, and Wright are all locked up and the FO has shown the ability to draft and develop defensive guys in later rounds time and time again. Anyways, I don't know why you're taking offense to that. You just ripped the Broncos and I was making fun of players like Talib that were acting like a preseason game was equivalent to the superbowl.
I wasn't offended. I was just letting you know that the day will come when a lot of your stars will be gone and Russell will be with out a lot of these guys. I didn't mean Lynch gone for sure next season, but he's gone sooner than later. He's not a long term prospect. Sherman may always be there, but a lot of these other guys, especially if they win again will start looking for bigger deals. You draft well but the thought that you could redraft a squad like this is a lot to ask.
And fuck the Broncos and their fans. I could give a shit about them.
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Looks like Rome is burning in Denver. I fully expect Peyton to be back though next year. I do think he should retire. Del Rio is hired by Oakland, that's an improvement for us. If anything it gives the team some sort of identity. As for Fox, looks like he'll be coaching the Bears next season. Both Del Rio and Fox though coach defense. The problem in Denver this year was that their offense couldn't perform like it usually does. And Adam Gase is heading to San Francisco.
But really, if Manning always seems to lose a certain way in the playoffs with any coach, and everyone talks about how he is a coach on the field, then is the problem Manning? I don't know...
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Shallow, I am disappointed in you that you are so quick to give up on Peyton. At least Sccit supported Kobe when Kobe became old and injured but you are so quick to throw your guy Peyton in the trash after recognizing his greatness all these years.
The Broncos won their division and had a bye. They had an excellent year. THE GUY WAS JUST INJURED. He played with a strained quad most players would of sat out for. The guy played with heart. Don't over-react, he's still Peyton.
As a Chiefs fan I would love for Peyton to fall off or retire, but I think he's still Peyton and still top tier. He is at least what Montana was for the Chiefs when Montana took the Chiefs past Buddy Ryans Oiler defense and into the AFC Championship in 93'. And probably to the Superbowl if our tightend had caught a sure touch down instead of letting it bounce off his hands into a Bills defender. Soon after Montana was injured by Bruce Smith and the rest is history....
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Shallow, I am disappointed in you that you are so quick to give up on Peyton. At least Sccit supported Kobe when Kobe became old and injured but you are so quick to throw your guy Peyton in the trash after recognizing his greatness all these years.
The Broncos won their division and had a bye. They had an excellent year. THE GUY WAS JUST INJURED. He played with a strained quad most players would of sat out for. The guy played with heart. Don't over-react, he's still Peyton.
As a Chiefs fan I would love for Peyton to fall off or retire, but I think he's still Peyton and still top tier. He is at least what Montana was for the Chiefs when Montana took the Chiefs past Buddy Ryans Oiler defense and into the AFC Championship in 93'. And probably to the Superbowl if our tightend had caught a sure touch down instead of letting it bounce off his hands into a Bills defender. Soon after Montana was injured by Bruce Smith and the rest is history....
Shallow roots for front runners, I think I remember him rooting for the Patriots way more often than other teams, but he is quick to jump on other teams. So it's not like Sccit, who is a true Kobe fan and will ride Kobe until the wheels fall off. Shallow is like ESPN, all front runners and a bit of an east coast biased. These hoes ain't loyal.
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Shallow roots for front runners, I think I remember him rooting for the Patriots way more often than other teams, but he is quick to jump on other teams. So it's not like Sccit, who is a true Kobe fan and will ride Kobe until the wheels fall off. Shallow is like ESPN, all front runners and a bit of an east coast biased. These hoes ain't loyal.
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Me, I am somewhere between Sccit and Shallow. I'm a die-hard Royals fan so obviously I am not a front-runner. But on the other hand I will go on a rant about how bad the Royals are if they are playing shitty... whereas Sccit will always contend that Kobe is still great and that the Lakers are just re-loading for another championship run no matter what reality is showing him.
Between the two I give more props to Sccit for being a dreamer than Shallow for being a gutless front runner.
(...and Shallow you know you are my homie, we are just talking sports. And come to think about it your support for the Democratic party is a little like Sccits support for the Lakers, Mdogg ;))
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Shallow roots for front runners, I think I remember him rooting for the Patriots way more often than other teams, but he is quick to jump on other teams. So it's not like Sccit, who is a true Kobe fan and will ride Kobe until the wheels fall off. Shallow is like ESPN, all front runners and a bit of an east coast biased. These hoes ain't loyal.
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Me, I am somewhere between Sccit and Shallow. I'm a die-hard Royals fan so obviously I am not a front-runner. But on the other hand I will go on a rant about how bad the Royals are if they are playing shitty... whereas Sccit will always contend that Kobe is still great and that the Lakers are just re-loading for another championship run no matter what reality is showing him.
Between the two I give more props to Sccit for being a dreamer than Shallow for being a gutless front runner.
(...and Shallow you know you are my homie, we are just talking sports. And come to think about it your support for the Democratic party is a little like Sccits support for the Lakers, Mdogg ;))
LMAO... in reality too, I was talking about my support for Democrats with my poli sci friend. It's not that I actually like the Dems (I do support Obama) but it's more like that as a leftist I have no alternative. The Green Party is more Socialist than liberal, and the Dems have some people I support that are liberal Democrats. But the party as a whole, not really all that great. They left the president out to dry and they try to run as conservatives and they wonder why they lose. LOL. Democrats in general... These hoes ain't loyal either... LOL
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I don't know what you guys are reading, of course he's saying that Manning didn't play well but he's always contended that it has more to do with the supporting cast and coaching staff than Peyton.
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I don't know what you guys are reading, of course he's saying that Manning didn't play well but he's always contended that it has more to do with the supporting cast and coaching staff than Peyton.
Seriously, its like I was in the twilight zone reading all that. I'm most offended by being called a supporter of the Democratic Party. I'm a proud libertarian.
As for Peyton, the retirement talk from me came before the Fox firing. Fox and Del Rio are gone. Jesus is alive. I'd still like him out of Denver based on how disrespectful those waste of life fans were being with the boos.
Peyton was under a lot of duress most of the game, his lanes were blocked, he missed a bunch of throws, but his WRs were playing pretty soft too, And he had torn quads. A lot of his throws (I just rewatched all the offensive plays on DVR, and then again) were not as bad as the pundits are saying. A few of the deep balls were, and a couple at the end in desperation mode, but his mid level stuff was more or less on target, not perfect, but I didn't see any Dez Bryant's out there trying to really make a play. The first deep ball to Sanders was perfect, but Sanders was tripped up by the DB, and the 3rd and 5 where Peyton didn't run (because of the quads I would think) was also perfect to Sanders but Sanders was pushed out before the ball got there. The refs were content on not calling any pass interference on Indy. And the blocking set up on the screen passes was also pretty bad.
The refs also made the worse replay turnover of the weekend. Anyone that thinks Dez didn't have possession needs to look at Cribbs. That was as clear a muffed punt as could be. No possession, not football move, going to the ground, loses the ball. Denver was already in FG range after that, they may very well have gotten a TD, since there next offensive drive with some pretty good throws from Peyton, moved them over 50 yards and a FG.
And of course I blame the coaches more than Peyton. In Denver, more than ever, Peyton has allowed his sideline to call the shots. The Peyton Manning that ordered the punting unit off the field in 2005 is nowhere to be seen these days. Adam Gase is calling the plays and deciding the personnel, and Adam Gase is an idiot. The Broncos get a quick 3 and out after the FG late in the game and they go back to the field with Ronnie Hillman instead of Anderson was making play after play all game. Hillman shouldn't even be on the roster, much less in the game.
I've often said that amongst all the QBs Peyton is the best playcaller and co-ordinater, and I believe that. But among the OCs in the league, Peyton is not among the greats. I wanted one of two things for Peyton, a monster D, because Peyton can give you a respectable offense with any one, or a superstar coaching staff. Jon Gruden or Charlie Wies would never had let the Broncos WRs and TEs come out like that playing soft and not getting into position.
To be very clear, I think Peyton still has the ability to return next year and the year after on any team and still by an MVP calibre QB. I just ddidn't want him to waste his time with bums like Fox and Del Rio.
Infinite, if Peyton had picked KC, the only AFC Team I wanted him to pick, you guysd wuld have been in the Bowl last year and maybe have won. You almost certainly would have won in 2012 with homefield, a Crennel power house, and Peyton running an offense with JC, Bowe, Breaston, Moeaki and McCluster.
As for right now I want Kubiak as HC and running a very run heavy offense. I want both Thomases gone. I would trade Von Miller too. Bring in Ben Tate to back up CJ who should start in Kubiak's offense. Trade Von to Carolina who would love to replace Klein with a pass rushing stud, and get Greg Olsen, Thomas Decoud and a mid round draft pick.
To help Kubiak build a real contender I bring Jim Shwartz to run the same D he ran in Buffalo and Detroit. I let Knighton go for more money, probably to Oakland, and I spend the money on Suh. I bring in Hughes from Buffalo to pass rush the blind side and I move Ware to the right side. I'd also bring in Ed Reed to help in nickels and coaching guys like Rahim Moore, and to lay out solid hits on guaranteed long pass plays. I'd make a trade for Preston Brown to play MLB like he did for Shwartz in Buffalo, and make sure to keep Marshal and hope Treveathan can staty healthy this time. If he can you can move Marshall to Von's old spot
The money saved trading Von and not signing DT, Julius, Knighton, Wes, and Tamme will free up a lot of room.
The best Broncos for 2015 for Manning look like this
Clady Franklin Montgomery Vasquez Ingcognito
Latimer Peyton Olsen Sanders
Green
CJ
Ware Suh, Williams Hughes
Marshall Brown Trevathen
Ward
Talib Harris
DeCoud
Though I would cut Talib if it made sense financially. Robey is looking better every play.
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broncos need to keep both thomas boys and go after Revis and Suh in free agency :laugh:
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broncos need to keep both thomas boys and go after Revis and Suh in free agency :laugh:
Both Thomases are pussies with bodies on them. I'd rather spend the cash on Andre Johnson, and Greg Olsen a much better tight end than Julius. What he lacks in explosive ability he makes up for in steady hands and solid blocks. The second Jay Cutler lost him is the second Chicago's offense started to fall back.
At least Andre will throw down when need be. Ask Finnegan.
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If a Peyton Manning-lead team was playing against the Bills, who would you root for?
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The Broncos are about to lose both Thomas's & Von Miller?
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The Broncos are about to lose both Thomas's & Von Miller?
I hope so. They're all pussies in a fist fight against a physically tough team.