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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: aerroc on January 12, 2015, 12:39:39 AM
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I've always wondered this but on the track "Snoop Bounce" Snoop made a reference…."I've been there & done that…no inspiration…all day demonstration V conversation"
Was this line directed at Dr. Dre?? We all know back at that time Dres single for his label Aftermath was "Been There Done That". My thing is if it quacks like duck it must be a duck. So it was a shot at his former mentor influence by that "Fuck Dre" campaign Death Row was rolling with at that time. I just never heard Snoop nor Tha Dogg Pound speak on this or brought it up. Thought I'd copy and paste ya'll.
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you could tell Snoops heart was not into dissing Dre though...just like it wasn't in making that album
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Snoops upside ya head had the line some Inmates escaped some won't! bumping heads with niggaz where you from eastside long beach
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if snoop did diss dre on tha doggfather it's cause he didn't want to get done like sam sneed.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/Yv38-6GEjtc
"This is dedicated to niggas who said gangsta rap was dead... fuck y'all"
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https://www.youtube.com/v/Yv38-6GEjtc
"This is dedicated to niggas who said gangsta rap was dead... fuck y'all"
Great thread.. and yes, that seems like a clear shot at Dre. In that classic Source cover Issue from early summer 96' when Dre left Death Row, Dre says in there something to the effect of "Fuck Gangsta Rap. That shit is so fuccin dead."...then he goes on to say that rappers can't just cuss and talk gangsta shit on a record anymore that they got to start coming with some creativity and lyrics.
So, I always kind of wondered if Snoop's Intro on Doggfather was a shot at Dre.
...and to the threadstarter, I didn't really understand that line from the song you mentioned, but yes, it could certainly be a shot at Dre, but what the hell does "V conversation mean"?
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https://www.youtube.com/v/Yv38-6GEjtc
"This is dedicated to niggas who said gangsta rap was dead... fuck y'all"
Great thread.. and yes, that seems like a clear shot at Dre. In that classic Source cover Issue from early summer 96' when Dre left Death Row, Dre says in there something to the effect of "Fuck Gangsta Rap. That shit is so fuccin dead."...then he goes on to say that rappers can't just cuss and talk gangsta shit on a record anymore that they got to start coming with some creativity and lyrics.
So, I always kind of wondered if Snoop's Intro on Doggfather was a shot at Dre.
...and to the threadstarter, I didn't really understand that line from the song you mentioned, but yes, it could certainly be a shot at Dre, but what the hell does "V conversation mean"?
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
Tired of people saying that.. where's MDogg when I need him... anyone over 30 who was a hip-hop fan and bought Doggystyle when it came out and spent the next two years anticipating Snoops album knows exactly what kind of a catastrophic flop and failure the Doggfather album was. I swear to this day anytime I start bumping this album the weather starts to turn to rain...
LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
Tired of people saying that.. where's MDogg when I need him... anyone over 30 who was a hip-hop fan and bought Doggystyle when it came out and spent the next two years anticipating Snoops album knows exactly what kind of a catastrophic flop and failure the Doggfather album was. I swear to this day anytime I start bumping this album the weather starts to turn to rain...
LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
I bought it the day it came out, and yes, I was very disappointed with it. Groupie, and You Thought was about the only two tracks I was feeling at the time. I was expecting Doggystyle II and it wasn't even close. Now I look back on it more fondly, but you have to remember at the time, hardly anyone knew who Tray Deee was, LBC crew was brand new, etc. It wasn't the G-Funk sound at all, many of the beats were stripped down. Dogg Pound, Nate Dogg, Warren G was barely on it, after being all over his first album, no Dre production. No 2Pac at all, and I think the album was released a week after Makaveli, so people were anticipating some new Pac on there. Remember, there was no internet, the tracklist wasn't leaked or anything. I had no idea what to expect. He changed his flow to that stupid laid back quiet flow that he kept for 10 years that most people hated.
True, I don't think there was any way this could have lived up to the high expectations, but yeah, I thought it sucked when I first bought it. It's better now looking back, but it does remind me of rainy darker days when I listen to it.
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disappointing follow-up to doggystyle, no doubt....still dope as fuck as a stand-alone album
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https://www.youtube.com/v/Yv38-6GEjtc
"This is dedicated to niggas who said gangsta rap was dead... fuck y'all"
Great thread.. and yes, that seems like a clear shot at Dre. In that classic Source cover Issue from early summer 96' when Dre left Death Row, Dre says in there something to the effect of "Fuck Gangsta Rap. That shit is so fuccin dead."...then he goes on to say that rappers can't just cuss and talk gangsta shit on a record anymore that they got to start coming with some creativity and lyrics.
So, I always kind of wondered if Snoop's Intro on Doggfather was a shot at Dre.
...and to the threadstarter, I didn't really understand that line from the song you mentioned, but yes, it could certainly be a shot at Dre, but what the hell does "V conversation mean"?
The correct lyrics are "I been there and done that, no inspiration
All day illustration beat conversation"
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Hence why I said "on another spin" many moons later with hindsight being looked at through rose tinted glasses.
At the time it was straight up wackness but compared to what we've endured from Snoop from there to here its a solid effort.
In many ways it is Snoops version of Makaveli - as that album was so characteristic of Pac at his apogee this was to Snoop at his perigee. Note:
Makaveli was tight, raw, focussed and concise. Covered a huge breadth and depth and hinted at layers as yet undiscovered nor tapped.
Doggfather was the opposite with its sloppy selections, over long running time, repetitiousness and narrow focus that recycled the same old same old again and again.
Ya dig?
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I forgot what interview it was from, but Snoop said he was upset because he approached Dre to contribute to his album and Dre was too busy working on his Aftermath album. Also, it was later revealed that Suge had a big part in Dre not helping out with Doggfather (obvious reasons of course).
I think the album came out pretty good and was a little bit ahead of its time, that's why people initially hated the album.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/Yv38-6GEjtc
"This is dedicated to niggas who said gangsta rap was dead... fuck y'all"
Great thread.. and yes, that seems like a clear shot at Dre. In that classic Source cover Issue from early summer 96' when Dre left Death Row, Dre says in there something to the effect of "Fuck Gangsta Rap. That shit is so fuccin dead."...then he goes on to say that rappers can't just cuss and talk gangsta shit on a record anymore that they got to start coming with some creativity and lyrics.
So, I always kind of wondered if Snoop's Intro on Doggfather was a shot at Dre.
...and to the threadstarter, I didn't really understand that line from the song you mentioned, but yes, it could certainly be a shot at Dre, but what the hell does "V conversation mean"?
The correct lyrics are "I been there and done that, no inspiration
All day illustration beat conversation"
all day demonstration beat conversation.
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
Tired of people saying that.. where's MDogg when I need him... anyone over 30 who was a hip-hop fan and bought Doggystyle when it came out and spent the next two years anticipating Snoops album knows exactly what kind of a catastrophic flop and failure the Doggfather album was. I swear to this day anytime I start bumping this album the weather starts to turn to rain...
LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
I bought it the day it came out, and yes, I was very disappointed with it.
True, I don't think there was any way this could have lived up to the high expectations, but yeah, I thought it sucked when I first bought it. It's better now looking back, but it does remind me of rainy darker days when I listen to it.
Word up... 8) The older O.G.'s know what's up about the dark cloud that hangs over that album to this day!
As for the laid back flow that you mentioned he started on this album and kept for 10 years. I can't really complain about that because it seemed he was kickin that laid back shit on Above The Rim and Murder Was The Case and even Dogg Food and it was dope as fucc... And I don't think he has ever left that laid back flow to this day... really the dude never came hard his whole career it just sounded like that because Dre's beats were so fuckin hardcore and gangsta on the Chronic and Doggystyle, but Snoop has always believed in the laid back flow
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
Tired of people saying that.. where's MDogg when I need him... anyone over 30 who was a hip-hop fan and bought Doggystyle when it came out and spent the next two years anticipating Snoops album knows exactly what kind of a catastrophic flop and failure the Doggfather album was. I swear to this day anytime I start bumping this album the weather starts to turn to rain...
LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
I bought it the day it came out, and yes, I was very disappointed with it.
True, I don't think there was any way this could have lived up to the high expectations, but yeah, I thought it sucked when I first bought it. It's better now looking back, but it does remind me of rainy darker days when I listen to it.
Word up... 8) The older O.G.'s know what's up about the dark cloud that hangs over that album to this day!
As for the laid back flow that you mentioned he started on this album and kept for 10 years. I can't really complain about that because it seemed he was kickin that laid back shit on Above The Rim and Murder Was The Case and even Dogg Food and it was dope as fucc... And I don't think he has ever left that laid back flow to this day... really the dude never came hard his whole career it just sounded like that because Dre's beats were so fuckin hardcore and gangsta on the Chronic and Doggystyle, but Snoop has always believed in the laid back flow
Listen to "What's My Name" and then listen to the track "The Doggfather", definite difference of delivery and flow in my opinion.
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
Tired of people saying that.. where's MDogg when I need him... anyone over 30 who was a hip-hop fan and bought Doggystyle when it came out and spent the next two years anticipating Snoops album knows exactly what kind of a catastrophic flop and failure the Doggfather album was. I swear to this day anytime I start bumping this album the weather starts to turn to rain...
LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
I bought it the day it came out, and yes, I was very disappointed with it.
True, I don't think there was any way this could have lived up to the high expectations, but yeah, I thought it sucked when I first bought it. It's better now looking back, but it does remind me of rainy darker days when I listen to it.
Word up... 8) The older O.G.'s know what's up about the dark cloud that hangs over that album to this day!
As for the laid back flow that you mentioned he started on this album and kept for 10 years. I can't really complain about that because it seemed he was kickin that laid back shit on Above The Rim and Murder Was The Case and even Dogg Food and it was dope as fucc... And I don't think he has ever left that laid back flow to this day... really the dude never came hard his whole career it just sounded like that because Dre's beats were so fuckin hardcore and gangsta on the Chronic and Doggystyle, but Snoop has always believed in the laid back flow
Listen to "What's My Name" and then listen to the track "The Doggfather", definite difference of delivery and flow in my opinion.
Agreed, bought this album the night it dropped, I believe Snoop and Makaveli where released on the same tuesday, could be wrong... Very disappointing, the single sucked, received little to no play on radio, compared to each single off of Doggystyle. The album was a huge disappointment at the time. I attribute that to No Dre production, coaching Snoop and others on how to deliver the vocals etc, its night and day!
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
Tired of people saying that.. where's MDogg when I need him... anyone over 30 who was a hip-hop fan and bought Doggystyle when it came out and spent the next two years anticipating Snoops album knows exactly what kind of a catastrophic flop and failure the Doggfather album was. I swear to this day anytime I start bumping this album the weather starts to turn to rain...
LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
Yeah i hear what your saying. When i got the album i was disappointed with it but looking back at it now it is a pretty good album, you just need to not think about Doggystyle
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On another spin Doggfather really was a solid follow up with some great tracks on there.
Tired of people saying that.. where's MDogg when I need him... anyone over 30 who was a hip-hop fan and bought Doggystyle when it came out and spent the next two years anticipating Snoops album knows exactly what kind of a catastrophic flop and failure the Doggfather album was. I swear to this day anytime I start bumping this album the weather starts to turn to rain...
LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
Yeah i hear what your saying. When i got the album i was disappointed with it but looking back at it now it is a pretty good album, you just need to not think about Doggystyle.
I also think he came up a lot better later on with "No Limit Top Dogg" & "Tha Last Meal" though
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LBCCREW Haven't You Heard >>> The Doggfather
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"Tha Doggfather" was and is the biggest sophomore disappointment in rap music.