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T.I. vs. Jeezy: Whose Legacy Is Superior?
T.I. is one of the greatest, most charismatic rappers of all time, with a flow that's equal parts dexterity and twang; he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel. He's one of my favorite rappers, full-stop.
Jeezy, with his ghastly growl and tomes of bite-sized wisdom, is a Grown-Ass-Man since birth, and a trap messiah. Alex Russell will be going to bat for him here, below.
As of their last respective albums, T.I. and Jeezy, two Atlanta trap pioneers, have matured into a twilight stage of their respective careers. Paperwork led with an amazingly quirky street single, “About the Money,” but faltered due to label micromanagement and scattershot production that even the project’s executive producer, Pharrell, admitted was desperate for radio play. Meanwhile Jeezy dropped one of the strongest rap projects of 2014, Seen It All, a late-career memoir that celebrates his place among rap's guiding elders.
Jeezy, 34, is still an ear to the streets. T.I., also 34, is meanwhile drifting away from rap to television, with him, his wife, and his kids having starred in family reality shows on MTV and VH1. They're dissimilar cuts of identical cloth. They're Atlanta's last two cowboys. Which of them did it better? Let's talk it out.
CHARITY: What was most captivating about most of the Southern hip-hop of my childhood was the bass, lingo, and various drawls. In 2003, T.I. came with all of that, plus he was the most dexterous rapper since Andre and the slickest personality since Big Boi. T.I. raps like a cowboy salesman of luxury sports cars, even when he's pitching to your heartstrings and appealing to the humanity of outsiders. Trap Muzik is the preservation of a time when Down South beatmakers were heaping dust upon the golden-era's legacy of squirrely soul samples and redundant "Funky Drummer" loops, all while Down South rappers were also upping their rhyming and songwriting to best the likes of New York contemporaries Ja Rule, 50 Cent, and Jay Z.
With "Rubber Band Man" and "Trap Musik," Tip was the beginning of New York's ending, and to this day, that spree has never really let up. Urban Legend, King, Paper Trail—Tip's albums got bigger and more extravagant throughout the '00s, without betraying the vicious simplicity at his core: I'm smarter than you and could end your life, but it's all love otherwise. His voice was unprecedented, and his record is unblemished. Iggy aside.
ALEX: OK, here's the thing, Justin. Most of what you just said about T.I. can also be said about Jeezy. Sure, Tip had his first moment a little earlier (read: "I'm 22 and a vet in the game."). But by 2005, the Atlanta trap wave was just hitting its crest, and that came in the form of Jeezy's debut album. That's when you started to see snowman shirts on middle schoolers, in, say, Tucson, Ariz. Where Tip had succeeded in a Jay Z-like subtlety, Jeezy was all about stating fact, simple and plain. He may not have been as "slick" as Tip, but his delivery seemed to make more sense with the production style of the era.
Every punchline of Jeezy's hit harder because it was so matter-of-fact, like: "This is the case." He was a minimalist. He was able to set the scene with such few words: "Red paint. Insides peanut butter. They seeing me. But I don't see them suckas." That shit sounds like haiku, dog.
CHARITY: Pitting T.I. against Jeezy is pitting a wordsmith against a minimalist, for sure. Your argument that Tip thrives by subtlety and a sort of antiquation, however, sells both men short. Jeezy is louder, and he is blunt; and that overall steez sold at a premium in '05-'08. T.I. is a superior vintage, is all. He's conquered soul samples, he's conquered trap, and as a bonus, he bounces. Over any style of production, no one raps as precisely as T.I., certainly not Jeezy, who has inferior versatility and fewer dimensions than even Rick Ross. Don't get me started on Tip's pop and R&B crossover stats, which are untouchable. Meanwhile Jeezy's best-ever rap feature is on Kanye's "Can't Tell Me Nothing," and all Jeezy does on that song is laugh out loud and shout about money. Take that as a metaphor, if you will.
ALEX: Jeezy elevated the ad-lib, if he didn't essentially invent it. I mean, he got away with saying "An ad-lib here, an ad-lib there. Fuck it, ad-libs everywhere." Meanwhile, T.I. was otherwise occupied beefing with leprechauns. Lucky charms aside, it's dangerous to try to be dismissive of the influence of his ad-libs. "Can't Tell Me Nothing" was straight up inspired by that energy, and the fact that Jeezy only had to "laugh out loud and shout about money" on the song is powerful. And I would argue that his best-ever rap feature was not that Kanye song but "Amazing," a year later. It was the pinnacle "rap event" on that album. All the spirit had built up into the cathartic release of him saying, "If I ain't on my grind, then what you call that."
Tip's later work largely rode the coattails of new creatives—look at "About the Money." That is quite clearly a Young Thug song. Though he may not have five sides you can engage, Jeezy has a track record of sticking to his guns aesthetically and bringing some of the best collaborative work out of others, rather than vice versa. Case in point: "Put On." Another case in point: "Seen It All."
CHARITY: Ad-lib champ. A minor title, no?
Listen, T.I. has four tremendously gratifying projects under his belt, which is two albums more than can be said for Jeezy, who, “R.I.P.” and Seen It All aside, had been coasting on tour money and unemployment checks since The Recession. Jeezy, who dropped like 19 mixtapes to stopper the delay of an album that ultimately wasted features from Jay Z and Andre 3000, together on the same track! Thug Motivation dropped 10 years ago, and it’s been mehhhhhhhh-hill ever since, withstanding the occasional mixtape flourish that keeps Jeezy's pilot lit between proper album releases. Make no mistake, Jeezy is a guru, and he is a trap legend. However, he’s also a person of limited dimensionality and sharply perishable returns, much like Bun B or, dare I say, your boy Future.
ALEX: As to your T.I. album count, I’ll give you the first three, but get Paper Trail way out of there. "Live Your Life" makes me want to stop living life. And if you’re trying to pull the “one hot album every 10-year average” mathematics out on Jeezy, be easy, as your boy T.I. would say. The Inspiration and Recession can hardly be touched. That leaves us three and three, album-wise.
Calling “I Do” anything but phenomenal makes no sense, even if we’re talking about its features. They channeled the energy of Andre’s “International Player’s Anthem” verse into a song about settling down as grown-ass men with children, and it was one of the least corny approaches to that subject rap has ever heard. I get the lack of dimensionality, but here’s what’s compelling about Jeezy: He may not be showing different sides of himself, but no one wants to see soft Jeezy. Every time he drops an album, it’s to elevate the dope boy mythology that surrounds him. Each time, it gets more epic. Eventually, he’s achieved a status where a collaboration like “Seen It All” works.
And as to your shots at Future, you only get half a bar: Just live your life.
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I fucks wit jeezy a lil bit but he ain't got shit on the king.
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
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both of them are butt cheeks. I'd be hard pressed to find a genuinely dope verse from either of them.
T.I. is one of the greatest, most charismatic rappers of all time, with a flow that's equal parts dexterity and twang; he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel.
;D :D :'( :laugh:
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both of them are butt cheeks. I'd be hard pressed to find a genuinely dope verse from either of them.
T.I. is one of the greatest, most charismatic rappers of all time, with a flow that's equal parts dexterity and twang; he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel.
;D :D :'( :laugh:
I can't believe someone posted this article :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I'm pretty sure I individually ranked both these cats' discographies awhile ago and don't feel like searching for it or typing it up again
I own all 5 of Jeezy's albums and 4 of T.I.'s, I'd say just narrowing it down and comparing these albums alone Jeezy bodies TIP for the fact that all of his joints are dope to classic where T.I. has frisbees scattered in his catalog
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both of them are butt cheeks. I'd be hard pressed to find a genuinely dope verse from either of them.
T.I. is one of the greatest, most charismatic rappers of all time, with a flow that's equal parts dexterity and twang; he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel.
;D :D :'( :laugh:
I can't believe someone posted this article :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
the use of the word "twang" and "he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel" parts had me fucked up
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I'm convinced CM wrote this.
Jeezy > T.I.
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That nigga that made Cupid Shuffle > Jeezy > T.I.
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its hard to choose a rapper who says yeahh in every song vs a goofy looking midget
these too are not even in my top 100 of all time i have avoided listening to any of these two
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I fucks wit jeezy a lil bit but he ain't got shit on the king.
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both of them are butt cheeks. I'd be hard pressed to find a genuinely dope verse from either of them.
T.I. is one of the greatest, most charismatic rappers of all time, with a flow that's equal parts dexterity and twang; he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel.
;D :D :'( :laugh:
flip is that you ?
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
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I'm pretty sure I individually ranked both these cats' discographies awhile ago and don't feel like searching for it or typing it up again
I own all 5 of Jeezy's albums and 4 of T.I.'s, I'd say just narrowing it down and comparing these albums alone Jeezy bodies TIP for the fact that all of his joints are dope to classic where T.I. has frisbees scattered in his catalog
for the simple fact that y'all underrate him makes the music shine even brighter.
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I'm convinced CM wrote this.
Jeezy > T.I.
nah i ain't write it.
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
You can't honestly believe that.
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
You can't honestly believe that.
I do. when I first bought that album and by the time I got to the end of the album without skippin' a track he was one of my fav. emcees. his allhiphop interview back then solidied it for me too.
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
You can't honestly believe that.
nope... Scarface, Bun B, Pimp C, Z-Ro, Trae, K-Rino, Andre 3000, hell even Big Boi trump T.I. in terms of skill on the mic and overall catalog
in 2003 I will say TIP was one of the better Southern rappers out with Young Buck but that's where it stops, only way he's seeing any of the names I just mentioned above for all time is in sales/mainstream status and that's not even opinion oriented that's just pure simple fact and rule of rap
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^Yeah, it's not close.
Bragging about having a "superior legacy" (even though he doesn't) to Jeezy is nothing to brag about.
That's like Waka Flocka bragging he's better than Gucci.
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Not sure if Cham doesn't like T.I. or if he is just posting in T.I. threads to get OGCM's attention...
Which one is it?
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
You can't honestly believe that.
nope... Scarface, Bun B, Pimp C, Z-Ro, Trae, K-Rino, Andre 3000, hell even Big Boi trump T.I. in terms of skill on the mic and overall catalog
in 2003 I will say TIP was one of the better Southern rappers out with Young Buck but that's where it stops, only way he's seeing any of the names I just mentioned above for all time is in sales/mainstream status and that's not even opinion oriented that's just pure simple fact and rule of rap
hell naw. none of them niggas trump t.i. in terms of skill on the mic. none of them. t.i. done been on tracks wit half those cats and showed out every time. y'all do't gotta like t.i.'s music but recognize what the man contributed to southern hip hop.
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Not sure if Cham doesn't like T.I. or if he is just posting in T.I. threads to get OGCM's attention...
Which one is it?
both. t.i. must have done somethin' personally to traumatize him and hack. not likin' someone's music is one thing but these cats be seriously takin' it personal.
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LMFAO @ "taking it personal". You get more offended than if I told T.I. to his face he wasn't Top 5 Southern rappers.
We been laughing at you, bruh. Even the guy who practically was executive producer of his album said he's a sell out.
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
You can't honestly believe that.
nope... Scarface, Bun B, Pimp C, Z-Ro, Trae, K-Rino, Andre 3000, hell even Big Boi trump T.I. in terms of skill on the mic and overall catalog
in 2003 I will say TIP was one of the better Southern rappers out with Young Buck but that's where it stops, only way he's seeing any of the names I just mentioned above for all time is in sales/mainstream status and that's not even opinion oriented that's just pure simple fact and rule of rap
hell naw. none of them niggas trump t.i. in terms of skill on the mic. none of them. t.i. done been on tracks wit half those cats and showed out every time. y'all do't gotta like t.i.'s music but recognize what the man contributed to southern hip hop.
I do like some T.I. lol he contributed Trap Muzik which was a classic, nothing more nothing less
name a few tracks where T.I. out-shined the legends maybe I missed something cuz last time I checked Face ripped him on "How Life Changed", Bun finessed him on "Bezzele", Pimp killed him on "Front Back", Trae kills him on almost every Hustle Gang track especially the song on Paperwork, 3 Stacks BODIED him on "Sorry"... I guess you can say maybe he outperformed Big Boi though on "Tangerine" lol
I would have fucked with a Z-Ro collab back in like 2006 but I doubt they'd ever work together
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LMFAO @ "taking it personal". You get more offended than if I told T.I. to his face he wasn't Top 5 Southern rappers.
We been laughing at you, bruh. Even the guy who practically was executive producer of his album said he's a sell out.
first of all I'd doubt you'd say anything negative to t.i. without gettin' pounded into the ground and YOU'D be laughed at. second, why would I get offended ? you've stated your opinion in this thread and I haven't dissed you. I think what you are missin' is the fact that your approach is off when discussin' anything and then includin' my name in it in a derogatory fashion. we can have civil debates just 86 the disrespect and i'll do the same. btw pharrell never said t.i. was a sellout he was referring to the label. sensationalizin' propaganda is not necessary.
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
You can't honestly believe that.
nope... Scarface, Bun B, Pimp C, Z-Ro, Trae, K-Rino, Andre 3000, hell even Big Boi trump T.I. in terms of skill on the mic and overall catalog
in 2003 I will say TIP was one of the better Southern rappers out with Young Buck but that's where it stops, only way he's seeing any of the names I just mentioned above for all time is in sales/mainstream status and that's not even opinion oriented that's just pure simple fact and rule of rap
hell naw. none of them niggas trump t.i. in terms of skill on the mic. none of them. t.i. done been on tracks wit half those cats and showed out every time. y'all do't gotta like t.i.'s music but recognize what the man contributed to southern hip hop.
I do like some T.I. lol he contributed Trap Muzik which was a classic, nothing more nothing less
name a few tracks where T.I. out-shined the legends maybe I missed something cuz last time I checked Face ripped him on "How Life Changed", Bun finessed him on "Bezzele", Pimp killed him on "Front Back", Trae kills him on almost every Hustle Gang track especially the song on Paperwork, 3 Stacks BODIED him on "Sorry"... I guess you can say maybe he outperformed Big Boi though on "Tangerine" lol
I would have fucked with a Z-Ro collab back in like 2006 but I doubt they'd ever work together
both tip verses on how life changed bodied face on there, t.i. showed up and showed out on bezzle, sorry, and did the same on front back.
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I stopped reading after the first line when it said T.I. was one of the greatest of all-time.
He may not be Top 5 Southern rappers, post 2000. Let alone the Top 50 (all regions) all-time.
when I first heard trap muzik back in 03 he was top 5 southern emcee of all time, he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
You can't honestly believe that.
nope... Scarface, Bun B, Pimp C, Z-Ro, Trae, K-Rino, Andre 3000, hell even Big Boi trump T.I. in terms of skill on the mic and overall catalog
in 2003 I will say TIP was one of the better Southern rappers out with Young Buck but that's where it stops, only way he's seeing any of the names I just mentioned above for all time is in sales/mainstream status and that's not even opinion oriented that's just pure simple fact and rule of rap
hell naw. none of them niggas trump t.i. in terms of skill on the mic. none of them. t.i. done been on tracks wit half those cats and showed out every time. y'all do't gotta like t.i.'s music but recognize what the man contributed to southern hip hop.
I do like some T.I. lol he contributed Trap Muzik which was a classic, nothing more nothing less
name a few tracks where T.I. out-shined the legends maybe I missed something cuz last time I checked Face ripped him on "How Life Changed", Bun finessed him on "Bezzele", Pimp killed him on "Front Back", Trae kills him on almost every Hustle Gang track especially the song on Paperwork, 3 Stacks BODIED him on "Sorry"... I guess you can say maybe he outperformed Big Boi though on "Tangerine" lol
I would have fucked with a Z-Ro collab back in like 2006 but I doubt they'd ever work together
both tip verses on how life changed bodied face on there, t.i. showed up and showed out on bezzle, sorry, and did the same on front back.
well then we'll just have to agree to disagree, those tracks are all classics though minus "Tangerine" lol
with that being said Jeezy also got out-shined by the same names on their respective collaborations
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Even civilly, you post an article that opens up with "T.I. is one of the greatest, most charismatic rappers of all time, with a flow that's equal parts dexterity and twang; he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel.", you have a picture of you & T.I. in your signature & you said "T.I. is Top 5 DOA". Now you're saying he outshined real Southern greats on songs he didn't.
I mean, bruh. Nobody can possibly take that seriously.
& yeah, Pharrell pretty much said "T.I. just wanted to fit in mainstream".
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Even civilly, you post an article that opens up with "T.I. is one of the greatest, most charismatic rappers of all time, with a flow that's equal parts dexterity and twang; he's the urban cowboy who's yet to lose a duel.", you have a picture of you & T.I. in your signature & you said "T.I. is Top 5 DOA". Now you're saying he outshined real Southern greats on songs he didn't.
I mean, bruh. Nobody can possibly take that seriously.
& yeah, Pharrell pretty much said "T.I. just wanted to fit in mainstream".
that article is based on another's opinion which is the main reason I posted it. it was also a great read. I thought you would like the pic of you and t.i. in the sig. did he bodied those verses ? yes he did...if t.i. wasn't a beast on the mic none of those greats woulda done music wit him even pimp wanted to do an album wit t.i.. as far as fittin' in mainstream, t.i. sold millions of records that speaks for itself.
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You gotta let the "sold records" thing go. Iggy Azalea outsold T.I.
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You gotta let the "sold records" thing go. Iggy Azalea outsold T.I.
I don't care about the sold records it's about the art. iggy's his artist so he wins.
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if that Jeezy/T.I. album is coming I really hope both of them get off their labels and release it independently with no outside influences
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he's now one of the GOATS top 5 DOA.
I fux wit some TI, but godaymn
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LMFAO @ "taking it personal". You get more offended than if I told T.I. to his face he wasn't Top 5 Southern rappers.
We been laughing at you, bruh. Even the guy who practically was executive producer of his album said he's a sell out.
first of all I'd doubt you'd say anything negative to t.i. without gettin' pounded into the ground and YOU'D be laughed at. second, why would I get offended ? you've stated your opinion in this thread and I haven't dissed you. I think what you are missin' is the fact that your approach is off when discussin' anything and then includin' my name in it in a derogatory fashion. we can have civil debates just 86 the disrespect and i'll do the same. btw pharrell never said t.i. was a sellout he was referring to the label. sensationalizin' propaganda is not necessary.
props
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no matter what classic material says ti's legacy will always be tarnished
https://www.youtube.com//v/sEjpPiSQaqo
10x worse than dr dre wearing lipstick or rick ross being a prison guard
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no matter what classic material says ti's legacy will always be tarnished
https://www.youtube.com//v/sEjpPiSQaqo
10x worse than dr dre wearing lipstick or rick ross being a prison guard
that's the first thing clowns run to when you ask them about that snitchin' bullshit....if that's all you got, you the dummy.
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lol that is pretty bad tho
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lol that is pretty bad tho
Sargent Clifford wants crime to stop
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lol that is pretty bad tho
i'd rather do that psa than ten years in the box. these internet nerds can say whatever but if they were in that shoe they'd be shittin' and snitchin' at the same time.
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lmao @ thinking doing that one 30 second PSA saved him 10 years in jail without also snitching on 50 other people :laugh:
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lmao @ thinking doing that one 30 second PSA saved him 10 years in jail without also snitching on 50 other people :laugh:
name one of those 50 people and i'll delete my account. tbh you wouldn't do 1/4 of the time tip did without tellin'.
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Yeah, nigga's talking about being a "dummy"...
Son thinks the feds were like, "Well Clifford there's one of two options...you can sit in the penitentiary for 10 years...or you can make a 30 second commercial for the kids".
If it was that easy, I'd push coke & walk around town with AK47's lol.
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lol that is pretty bad tho
i'd rather do that psa than ten years in the box. these internet nerds can say whatever but if they were in that shoe they'd be shittin' and snitchin' at the same time.
but if he actually snitched, it's not better....if it was doin that commercial for his release, then u got a point
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If it was that easy, I'd push coke & walk around town with AK47's lol.
lol would u really?
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Yeah, nigga's talking about being a "dummy"...
Son thinks the feds were like, "Well Clifford there's one of two options...you can sit in the penitentiary for 10 years...or you can make a 30 second commercial for the kids".
If it was that easy, I'd push coke & walk around town with AK47's lol.
but cham who did t.i. tell on and they not say t.i. put them in jail ? I have yet to hear someone in jail say that they are there cause t.i. told on them. I know a guy at my job right now from south carolina that got all kinds of hammers legally and he got a jacket. how come he not in jail ? y'all gotta stop thinkin' laws are the same everywhere. they're not. t.i. guns was bought out the store by his bodyguard not off the streets what's illegal about that other than he was a felon ?
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lol that is pretty bad tho
i'd rather do that psa than ten years in the box. these internet nerds can say whatever but if they were in that shoe they'd be shittin' and snitchin' at the same time.
but if he actually snitched, it's not better....if it was doin that commercial for his release, then u got a point
niggas gotta show me paperwork cause t.i.'s plea agreement is online and I ain't read shit about him tellin' in it. what I realized is: people love lies and propaganda. for example: when pharrell made his comment a few days ago everybody was quick to say he was dissin' t.i. but when he cleared it up no one gave a fuck. people love to sensationalize bullshit.
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
this is only an overview of the case and a summary of his sentencing, this wouldn't include any info on who he ratted out as this wasn't put together until AFTER he gave up whoever he did... there are a whole other set of papers for witness/informant testimony, if this document had any validation to indicate that TIP wasn't talking don't you think him or his camp would have been magnifying this in the media to shake off people like us calling him out?
if you've ever actually been to court/had a real case against you then you should know this bruh, the dude ate the cheese and there's no way around it, that document doesn't prove anything other than what the media already knows about the case and TIP is a celebrity so they are going to keep it quiet on whoever he told on to protect/uphold his tough guy image and protect his family, it's like a plain sight witness protection program ya dig?
example: how did Project Pat (convicted felon) receive 3 years in jail for ONE pistol and TIP (convicted felon) basically got off entirely while he had a military style arsenal? it's not money either because Project Pat paid out over a mill on his lawyer fees and still had to do his time where as TIP dropped a few mill as well as a few names that we'll never heard of but it's not farfetched to think he's the one who gave up his best friend Phil's killers
but with all this being said back to topic at hand at least Jeezy never faced acusations of being a snitch and having his reputation tarnished, Bleu Davinci tried lying on him but you see they're cool now 8)
man where is the homie 3rd Coast at when you need him
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
this is only an overview of the case and a summary of his sentencing, this wouldn't include any info on who he ratted out as this wasn't put together until AFTER he gave up whoever he did... there are a whole other set of papers for witness/informant testimony, if this document had any validation to indicate that TIP wasn't talking don't you think him or his camp would have been magnifying this in the media to shake off people like us calling him out?
if you've ever actually been to court/had a real case against you then you should know this bruh, the dude ate the cheese and there's no way around it, that document doesn't prove anything other than what the media already knows about the case and TIP is a celebrity so they are going to keep it quiet on whoever he told on to protect/uphold his tough guy image and protect his family, it's like a plain sight witness protection program ya dig?
example: how did Project Pat (convicted felon) receive 3 years in jail for ONE pistol and TIP (convicted felon) basically got off entirely while he had a military style arsenal? it's not money either because Project Pat paid out over a mill on his lawyer fees and still had to do his time where as TIP dropped a few mill as well as a few names that we'll never heard of but it's not farfetched to think he's the one who gave up his best friend Phil's killers
but with all this being said back to topic at hand at least Jeezy never faced acusations of being a snitch and having his reputation tarnished, Bleu Davinci tried lying on him but you see they're cool now 8)
man where is the homie 3rd Coast at when you need him
but it's not hard to get a hold of paperwork......has there been any produced on TI? cuz if he snitched, the paperwork should be out there somewhere.
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
this is only an overview of the case and a summary of his sentencing, this wouldn't include any info on who he ratted out as this wasn't put together until AFTER he gave up whoever he did... there are a whole other set of papers for witness/informant testimony, if this document had any validation to indicate that TIP wasn't talking don't you think him or his camp would have been magnifying this in the media to shake off people like us calling him out?
if you've ever actually been to court/had a real case against you then you should know this bruh, the dude ate the cheese and there's no way around it, that document doesn't prove anything other than what the media already knows about the case and TIP is a celebrity so they are going to keep it quiet on whoever he told on to protect/uphold his tough guy image and protect his family, it's like a plain sight witness protection program ya dig?
example: how did Project Pat (convicted felon) receive 3 years in jail for ONE pistol and TIP (convicted felon) basically got off entirely while he had a military style arsenal? it's not money either because Project Pat paid out over a mill on his lawyer fees and still had to do his time where as TIP dropped a few mill as well as a few names that we'll never heard of but it's not farfetched to think he's the one who gave up his best friend Phil's killers
but with all this being said back to topic at hand at least Jeezy never faced acusations of being a snitch and having his reputation tarnished, Bleu Davinci tried lying on him but you see they're cool now 8)
man where is the homie 3rd Coast at when you need him
but it's not hard to get a hold of paperwork......has there been any produced on TI? cuz if he snitched, the paperwork should be out there somewhere.
sure if you have courthouse connections like that, you can't just go walk into someone's office or browse online to obtain some snitch information especially with a high profile case like this that involves a celebrity
that would put lives in danger lol
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
this is only an overview of the case and a summary of his sentencing, this wouldn't include any info on who he ratted out as this wasn't put together until AFTER he gave up whoever he did... there are a whole other set of papers for witness/informant testimony, if this document had any validation to indicate that TIP wasn't talking don't you think him or his camp would have been magnifying this in the media to shake off people like us calling him out?
if you've ever actually been to court/had a real case against you then you should know this bruh, the dude ate the cheese and there's no way around it, that document doesn't prove anything other than what the media already knows about the case and TIP is a celebrity so they are going to keep it quiet on whoever he told on to protect/uphold his tough guy image and protect his family, it's like a plain sight witness protection program ya dig?
example: how did Project Pat (convicted felon) receive 3 years in jail for ONE pistol and TIP (convicted felon) basically got off entirely while he had a military style arsenal? it's not money either because Project Pat paid out over a mill on his lawyer fees and still had to do his time where as TIP dropped a few mill as well as a few names that we'll never heard of but it's not farfetched to think he's the one who gave up his best friend Phil's killers
but with all this being said back to topic at hand at least Jeezy never faced acusations of being a snitch and having his reputation tarnished, Bleu Davinci tried lying on him but you see they're cool now 8)
man where is the homie 3rd Coast at when you need him
but it's not hard to get a hold of paperwork......has there been any produced on TI? cuz if he snitched, the paperwork should be out there somewhere.
sure if you have courthouse connections like that, you can't just go walk into someone's office or browse online to obtain some snitch information especially with a high profile case like this that involves a celebrity
that would put lives in danger lol
the papers dont list names, but theyre obtainable...psd's paperwork was posted jus a couple months back
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
this is only an overview of the case and a summary of his sentencing, this wouldn't include any info on who he ratted out as this wasn't put together until AFTER he gave up whoever he did... there are a whole other set of papers for witness/informant testimony, if this document had any validation to indicate that TIP wasn't talking don't you think him or his camp would have been magnifying this in the media to shake off people like us calling him out?
if you've ever actually been to court/had a real case against you then you should know this bruh, the dude ate the cheese and there's no way around it, that document doesn't prove anything other than what the media already knows about the case and TIP is a celebrity so they are going to keep it quiet on whoever he told on to protect/uphold his tough guy image and protect his family, it's like a plain sight witness protection program ya dig?
example: how did Project Pat (convicted felon) receive 3 years in jail for ONE pistol and TIP (convicted felon) basically got off entirely while he had a military style arsenal? it's not money either because Project Pat paid out over a mill on his lawyer fees and still had to do his time where as TIP dropped a few mill as well as a few names that we'll never heard of but it's not farfetched to think he's the one who gave up his best friend Phil's killers
but with all this being said back to topic at hand at least Jeezy never faced acusations of being a snitch and having his reputation tarnished, Bleu Davinci tried lying on him but you see they're cool now 8)
man where is the homie 3rd Coast at when you need him
I posted that cause folks here seem to only focus on the year t.i. got without mentioning the other parts. if tip woulda told on somebody that shit would a been out. show me some paperwork I'm not gonna believe t.i. told cause some internet niggas wit no street ties say so. blood it's OK if you don't like him but please stop sensationalizin' propaganda. btw you were quick to post that shit when you thought pharrell was dissin' t.i. but you ain't post shit about pharrell clearin' it up.
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
this is only an overview of the case and a summary of his sentencing, this wouldn't include any info on who he ratted out as this wasn't put together until AFTER he gave up whoever he did... there are a whole other set of papers for witness/informant testimony, if this document had any validation to indicate that TIP wasn't talking don't you think him or his camp would have been magnifying this in the media to shake off people like us calling him out?
if you've ever actually been to court/had a real case against you then you should know this bruh, the dude ate the cheese and there's no way around it, that document doesn't prove anything other than what the media already knows about the case and TIP is a celebrity so they are going to keep it quiet on whoever he told on to protect/uphold his tough guy image and protect his family, it's like a plain sight witness protection program ya dig?
example: how did Project Pat (convicted felon) receive 3 years in jail for ONE pistol and TIP (convicted felon) basically got off entirely while he had a military style arsenal? it's not money either because Project Pat paid out over a mill on his lawyer fees and still had to do his time where as TIP dropped a few mill as well as a few names that we'll never heard of but it's not farfetched to think he's the one who gave up his best friend Phil's killers
but with all this being said back to topic at hand at least Jeezy never faced acusations of being a snitch and having his reputation tarnished, Bleu Davinci tried lying on him but you see they're cool now 8)
man where is the homie 3rd Coast at when you need him
I posted that cause folks here seem to only focus on the year t.i. got without mentioning the other parts. if tip woulda told on somebody that shit would a been out. show me some paperwork I'm not gonna believe t.i. told cause some internet niggas wit no street ties say so. blood it's OK if you don't like him but please stop sensationalizin' propaganda. btw you were quick to post that shit when you thought pharrell was dissin' t.i. but you ain't post shit about pharrell clearin' it up.
you beat me to it lol still isn't gonna change my opinion on the album just like it didn't for you, doesn't matter if it was on TIP or the label that fucked it up it didn't cut it for me musically the HG mixtape had more heart in it
I'll always fuck with his older music and some mixtape ish when he comes correct but his squad is going harder than him
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5100361/TI-Sentencing-Agreement
this is only an overview of the case and a summary of his sentencing, this wouldn't include any info on who he ratted out as this wasn't put together until AFTER he gave up whoever he did... there are a whole other set of papers for witness/informant testimony, if this document had any validation to indicate that TIP wasn't talking don't you think him or his camp would have been magnifying this in the media to shake off people like us calling him out?
if you've ever actually been to court/had a real case against you then you should know this bruh, the dude ate the cheese and there's no way around it, that document doesn't prove anything other than what the media already knows about the case and TIP is a celebrity so they are going to keep it quiet on whoever he told on to protect/uphold his tough guy image and protect his family, it's like a plain sight witness protection program ya dig?
example: how did Project Pat (convicted felon) receive 3 years in jail for ONE pistol and TIP (convicted felon) basically got off entirely while he had a military style arsenal? it's not money either because Project Pat paid out over a mill on his lawyer fees and still had to do his time where as TIP dropped a few mill as well as a few names that we'll never heard of but it's not farfetched to think he's the one who gave up his best friend Phil's killers
but with all this being said back to topic at hand at least Jeezy never faced acusations of being a snitch and having his reputation tarnished, Bleu Davinci tried lying on him but you see they're cool now 8)
man where is the homie 3rd Coast at when you need him
but it's not hard to get a hold of paperwork......has there been any produced on TI? cuz if he snitched, the paperwork should be out there somewhere.
sure if you have courthouse connections like that, you can't just go walk into someone's office or browse online to obtain some snitch information especially with a high profile case like this that involves a celebrity
that would put lives in danger lol
the papers dont list names, but theyre obtainable...psd's paperwork was posted jus a couple months back
connections lol did they look anything similar to that link CM posted?
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Yeah, nigga's talking about being a "dummy"...
Son thinks the feds were like, "Well Clifford there's one of two options...you can sit in the penitentiary for 10 years...or you can make a 30 second commercial for the kids".
If it was that easy, I'd push coke & walk around town with AK47's lol.
but cham who did t.i. tell on and they not say t.i. put them in jail ? I have yet to hear someone in jail say that they are there cause t.i. told on them. I know a guy at my job right now from south carolina that got all kinds of hammers legally and he got a jacket. how come he not in jail ? y'all gotta stop thinkin' laws are the same everywhere. they're not. t.i. guns was bought out the store by his bodyguard not off the streets what's illegal about that other than he was a felon ?
So why was he facing "10-15 years" if the law says he could carry them? lol.
& why would he have done that video if he didn't have to? lol.
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im not even gonna get into a back and forth bullshit session with classic material over his idol. im just gonna say, for anyone who has ever been involved with some criminal operations for real, just that commercial alone is inexcusable and makes TI forever a rat
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im not even gonna get into a back and forth bullshit session with classic material over his idol. im just gonna say, for anyone who has ever been involved with some criminal operations for real, just that commercial alone is inexcusable and makes TI forever a rat
U ain't comparin it to actual snitchin tho, r u?
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im not even gonna get into a back and forth bullshit session with classic material over his idol. im just gonna say, for anyone who has ever been involved with some criminal operations for real, just that commercial alone is inexcusable and makes TI forever a rat
U ain't comparin it to actual snitchin tho, r u?
if hed go public with shit like that who knows what he did behind closed doors. i know square ass goofy 9-5 workers like classic material trust the government and think everything has to be made public but everything about this is shady
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^Always has been shady.
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im not even gonna get into a back and forth bullshit session with classic material over his idol. im just gonna say, for anyone who has ever been involved with some criminal operations for real, just that commercial alone is inexcusable and makes TI forever a rat
U ain't comparin it to actual snitchin tho, r u?
sadly he is...just goes to show how much his bitch ass knows about the term snitchin' and what it actually means.
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im not even gonna get into a back and forth bullshit session with classic material over his idol. im just gonna say, for anyone who has ever been involved with some criminal operations for real, just that commercial alone is inexcusable and makes TI forever a rat
U ain't comparin it to actual snitchin tho, r u?
if hed go public with shit like that who knows what he did behind closed doors. i know square ass goofy 9-5 workers like classic material trust the government and think everything has to be made public but everything about this is shady
first of all, you don't know me and you really need to watch what the fuck you type when it comes to me cause ya face can get slapped the fuck off. you can try that shit wit these other cats who won't address you, don't try it wit me. when you can pull up some paperwork or tell me who t.i. told on and in jail cause of him you just a gossipin' hoe like wendy williams so have a seat.
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money talks bullshit runs the marathon...
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Yeah, nigga's talking about being a "dummy"...
Son thinks the feds were like, "Well Clifford there's one of two options...you can sit in the penitentiary for 10 years...or you can make a 30 second commercial for the kids".
If it was that easy, I'd push coke & walk around town with AK47's lol.
but cham who did t.i. tell on and they not say t.i. put them in jail ? I have yet to hear someone in jail say that they are there cause t.i. told on them. I know a guy at my job right now from south carolina that got all kinds of hammers legally and he got a jacket. how come he not in jail ? y'all gotta stop thinkin' laws are the same everywhere. they're not. t.i. guns was bought out the store by his bodyguard not off the streets what's illegal about that other than he was a felon ?
So why was he facing "10-15 years" if the law says he could carry them? lol.
& why would he have done that video if he didn't have to? lol.
it wasn't that he couldn't carry them he was a felon purchasin' to carry them. he was facin' 10-15 years if he didn't complete everything his plea agreement(which I posted)said. that video, if you read the agreement was based off him speakin' against violence, crime, etc.
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To be fair this thread is like Game vs Fiddy
I don't think *anyone* will care in years 2 come