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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Hack Wilson - real on April 24, 2015, 10:55:36 AM
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Tim still doing it big time at age 38
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HAHAHA
See, as I said last year, I was rooting for the Heat because I knew the Kobe haters would do this... but it's all very simple...
Kobe was robbed twice of being league MVP, and also Kobe went to the finals more times than Duncan. On top of that, Kobe scored more points and had more assist, therefore is a greater contributor to his team scoring wise than Duncan. So all and all, Kobe is the best player since Jordan retired in 1998. Let's not kid ourselves.
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Like I was saying in the other thread, unfortunately not the case. Duncan has more hardware...so by the Dubcc standard, it's not a conversation, nor debatable.
Plus Final's records. 5-1 >>> 5-2. #WinningPercentage
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Like I was saying in the other thread, unfortunately not the case. Duncan has more hardware...so by the Dubcc standard, it's not a conversation, nor debatable.
Plus Final's records. 5-1 >>> 5-2. #WinningPercentage
and Duncan spent FOUR years in college where Wake Forest had a 97-31 record :o
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Like I was saying in the other thread, unfortunately not the case. Duncan has more hardware...so by the Dubcc standard, it's not a conversation, nor debatable.
Plus Final's records. 5-1 >>> 5-2. #WinningPercentage
Win Percentage? Manu/Parker>>>Smush/Kwame
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What does that even mean? Shaq/Phil >>>>>>>>>> Spurs franchise.
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notice how Duncan isn't even done with his playoff career yet while Kobe is :laugh:
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notice how Duncan isn't even done with his playoff career yet while Kobe is :laugh:
Nigga just put up 28 & 11 in a playoff game lmao.
Achievements only "count" if you're a Laker/Kobe fan, absolutely petrified about LeBron inevitable, superior legacy.
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Duncan is great, but his consistency is a product of Popavich's system..because he hasn't been in his prime for going on 6 years and hasn't been the best player on his team for even longer. his team has never went back to back, let alone threepeated.....so while he has the consistency on kobe (mainly due to playin on a great team since bein drafted), he doesnt have the highs kobe has had, and thats why Kobe is superior as far as individual players go.
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he has more MVP's than kobe - that tells me he was better in his peak too.
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he has more MVP's than kobe - that tells me he was better in his peak too.
kobe played on bad teams durin a good portion of his prime....he was easily the best player in the league durin the smush parker-kwame brown years. both them steve nash mvps belong to kobe and every1 knows it.
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the same Steve Nash who beat Kobe in the playoffs too?
one of Nash's MVP's should've went to Shaq in Miami, Shaq was 2nd that year not Kobe.
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2004-05 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player
Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1 Steve Nash 30 PHO 65.0 1066.0 1270 0.839 75 34.3 15.5 3.3 11.5 1.0 0.1 .502 .431 .887 10.9 .203
2 Shaquille O'Neal 32 MIA 58.0 1032.0 1270 0.813 73 34.1 22.9 10.4 2.7 0.5 2.3 .601 .461 11.0 .211
3 Dirk Nowitzki 26 DAL 0.0 349.0 1270 0.275 78 38.7 26.1 9.7 3.1 1.2 1.5 .459 .399 .869 15.6 .248
4 Tim Duncan 28 SAS 1.0 328.0 1270 0.258 66 33.4 20.3 11.1 2.7 0.7 2.6 .496 .333 .670 11.2 .245
5 Allen Iverson 29 PHI 2.0 240.0 1270 0.189 75 42.3 30.7 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 .424 .308 .835 9.0 .136
6 LeBron James 20 CLE 0.0 93.0 1270 0.073 80 42.4 27.2 7.4 7.2 2.2 0.7 .472 .351 .750 14.3 .203
7 Tracy McGrady 25 HOU 0.0 44.0 1270 0.035 78 40.8 25.7 6.2 5.7 1.7 0.7 .431 .326 .774 12.0 .180
8 Dwyane Wade 23 MIA 0.0 43.0 1270 0.034 77 38.6 24.1 5.2 6.8 1.6 1.1 .478 .289 .762 11.0 .177
9T Amar'e Stoudemire 22 PHO 1.0 41.0 1270 0.032 80 36.1 26.0 8.9 1.6 1.0 1.6 .559 .188 .733 14.6 .243
9T Ray Allen 29 SEA 0.0 41.0 1270 0.032 78 39.3 23.9 4.4 3.7 1.1 0.1 .428 .376 .883 10.7 .168
11 Kevin Garnett 28 MIN 0.0 15.0 1270 0.012 82 38.1 22.2 13.5 5.7 1.5 1.4 .502 .240 .811 16.1 .248
12 Gilbert Arenas 23 WAS 0.0 4.0 1270 0.003 80 40.9 25.5 4.7 5.1 1.7 0.3 .431 .365 .814 11.5 .169
13 Vince Carter 28 TOT 0.0 3.0 1270 0.002 77 36.7 24.5 5.2 4.2 1.4 0.6 .452 .406 .798 9.4 .159
14T P.J. Brown 35 NOH 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 82 34.4 10.8 9.0 2.2 0.9 0.6 .446 .864 6.9 .118
14T Marcus Camby 30 DEN 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 66 30.5 10.3 10.0 2.3 0.9 3.0 .465 .000 .723 5.8 .138
14T Shawn Marion 26 PHO 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 81 38.8 19.4 11.3 1.9 2.0 1.5 .476 .334 .833 12.5 .191
kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO
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2004-05 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player
Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1 Steve Nash 30 PHO 65.0 1066.0 1270 0.839 75 34.3 15.5 3.3 11.5 1.0 0.1 .502 .431 .887 10.9 .203
2 Shaquille O'Neal 32 MIA 58.0 1032.0 1270 0.813 73 34.1 22.9 10.4 2.7 0.5 2.3 .601 .461 11.0 .211
3 Dirk Nowitzki 26 DAL 0.0 349.0 1270 0.275 78 38.7 26.1 9.7 3.1 1.2 1.5 .459 .399 .869 15.6 .248
4 Tim Duncan 28 SAS 1.0 328.0 1270 0.258 66 33.4 20.3 11.1 2.7 0.7 2.6 .496 .333 .670 11.2 .245
5 Allen Iverson 29 PHI 2.0 240.0 1270 0.189 75 42.3 30.7 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 .424 .308 .835 9.0 .136
6 LeBron James 20 CLE 0.0 93.0 1270 0.073 80 42.4 27.2 7.4 7.2 2.2 0.7 .472 .351 .750 14.3 .203
7 Tracy McGrady 25 HOU 0.0 44.0 1270 0.035 78 40.8 25.7 6.2 5.7 1.7 0.7 .431 .326 .774 12.0 .180
8 Dwyane Wade 23 MIA 0.0 43.0 1270 0.034 77 38.6 24.1 5.2 6.8 1.6 1.1 .478 .289 .762 11.0 .177
9T Amar'e Stoudemire 22 PHO 1.0 41.0 1270 0.032 80 36.1 26.0 8.9 1.6 1.0 1.6 .559 .188 .733 14.6 .243
9T Ray Allen 29 SEA 0.0 41.0 1270 0.032 78 39.3 23.9 4.4 3.7 1.1 0.1 .428 .376 .883 10.7 .168
11 Kevin Garnett 28 MIN 0.0 15.0 1270 0.012 82 38.1 22.2 13.5 5.7 1.5 1.4 .502 .240 .811 16.1 .248
12 Gilbert Arenas 23 WAS 0.0 4.0 1270 0.003 80 40.9 25.5 4.7 5.1 1.7 0.3 .431 .365 .814 11.5 .169
13 Vince Carter 28 TOT 0.0 3.0 1270 0.002 77 36.7 24.5 5.2 4.2 1.4 0.6 .452 .406 .798 9.4 .159
14T P.J. Brown 35 NOH 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 82 34.4 10.8 9.0 2.2 0.9 0.6 .446 .864 6.9 .118
14T Marcus Camby 30 DEN 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 66 30.5 10.3 10.0 2.3 0.9 3.0 .465 .000 .723 5.8 .138
14T Shawn Marion 26 PHO 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 81 38.8 19.4 11.3 1.9 2.0 1.5 .476 .334 .833 12.5 .191
kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO
Right after Kobe's rape trial which made Kobe highly toxic. Everyone was talking about how Kobe was the real MVP. But no one voted for him because no one wanted to give him the award after the trial.
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2004-05 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player
Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1 Steve Nash 30 PHO 65.0 1066.0 1270 0.839 75 34.3 15.5 3.3 11.5 1.0 0.1 .502 .431 .887 10.9 .203
2 Shaquille O'Neal 32 MIA 58.0 1032.0 1270 0.813 73 34.1 22.9 10.4 2.7 0.5 2.3 .601 .461 11.0 .211
3 Dirk Nowitzki 26 DAL 0.0 349.0 1270 0.275 78 38.7 26.1 9.7 3.1 1.2 1.5 .459 .399 .869 15.6 .248
4 Tim Duncan 28 SAS 1.0 328.0 1270 0.258 66 33.4 20.3 11.1 2.7 0.7 2.6 .496 .333 .670 11.2 .245
5 Allen Iverson 29 PHI 2.0 240.0 1270 0.189 75 42.3 30.7 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 .424 .308 .835 9.0 .136
6 LeBron James 20 CLE 0.0 93.0 1270 0.073 80 42.4 27.2 7.4 7.2 2.2 0.7 .472 .351 .750 14.3 .203
7 Tracy McGrady 25 HOU 0.0 44.0 1270 0.035 78 40.8 25.7 6.2 5.7 1.7 0.7 .431 .326 .774 12.0 .180
8 Dwyane Wade 23 MIA 0.0 43.0 1270 0.034 77 38.6 24.1 5.2 6.8 1.6 1.1 .478 .289 .762 11.0 .177
9T Amar'e Stoudemire 22 PHO 1.0 41.0 1270 0.032 80 36.1 26.0 8.9 1.6 1.0 1.6 .559 .188 .733 14.6 .243
9T Ray Allen 29 SEA 0.0 41.0 1270 0.032 78 39.3 23.9 4.4 3.7 1.1 0.1 .428 .376 .883 10.7 .168
11 Kevin Garnett 28 MIN 0.0 15.0 1270 0.012 82 38.1 22.2 13.5 5.7 1.5 1.4 .502 .240 .811 16.1 .248
12 Gilbert Arenas 23 WAS 0.0 4.0 1270 0.003 80 40.9 25.5 4.7 5.1 1.7 0.3 .431 .365 .814 11.5 .169
13 Vince Carter 28 TOT 0.0 3.0 1270 0.002 77 36.7 24.5 5.2 4.2 1.4 0.6 .452 .406 .798 9.4 .159
14T P.J. Brown 35 NOH 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 82 34.4 10.8 9.0 2.2 0.9 0.6 .446 .864 6.9 .118
14T Marcus Camby 30 DEN 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 66 30.5 10.3 10.0 2.3 0.9 3.0 .465 .000 .723 5.8 .138
14T Shawn Marion 26 PHO 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 81 38.8 19.4 11.3 1.9 2.0 1.5 .476 .334 .833 12.5 .191
kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO
that was the year he got injured and missed a good portion of the season..not the smush parker-kwame brown year i mentioned, my moron
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2004-05 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player
Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1 Steve Nash 30 PHO 65.0 1066.0 1270 0.839 75 34.3 15.5 3.3 11.5 1.0 0.1 .502 .431 .887 10.9 .203
2 Shaquille O'Neal 32 MIA 58.0 1032.0 1270 0.813 73 34.1 22.9 10.4 2.7 0.5 2.3 .601 .461 11.0 .211
3 Dirk Nowitzki 26 DAL 0.0 349.0 1270 0.275 78 38.7 26.1 9.7 3.1 1.2 1.5 .459 .399 .869 15.6 .248
4 Tim Duncan 28 SAS 1.0 328.0 1270 0.258 66 33.4 20.3 11.1 2.7 0.7 2.6 .496 .333 .670 11.2 .245
5 Allen Iverson 29 PHI 2.0 240.0 1270 0.189 75 42.3 30.7 4.0 7.9 2.4 0.1 .424 .308 .835 9.0 .136
6 LeBron James 20 CLE 0.0 93.0 1270 0.073 80 42.4 27.2 7.4 7.2 2.2 0.7 .472 .351 .750 14.3 .203
7 Tracy McGrady 25 HOU 0.0 44.0 1270 0.035 78 40.8 25.7 6.2 5.7 1.7 0.7 .431 .326 .774 12.0 .180
8 Dwyane Wade 23 MIA 0.0 43.0 1270 0.034 77 38.6 24.1 5.2 6.8 1.6 1.1 .478 .289 .762 11.0 .177
9T Amar'e Stoudemire 22 PHO 1.0 41.0 1270 0.032 80 36.1 26.0 8.9 1.6 1.0 1.6 .559 .188 .733 14.6 .243
9T Ray Allen 29 SEA 0.0 41.0 1270 0.032 78 39.3 23.9 4.4 3.7 1.1 0.1 .428 .376 .883 10.7 .168
11 Kevin Garnett 28 MIN 0.0 15.0 1270 0.012 82 38.1 22.2 13.5 5.7 1.5 1.4 .502 .240 .811 16.1 .248
12 Gilbert Arenas 23 WAS 0.0 4.0 1270 0.003 80 40.9 25.5 4.7 5.1 1.7 0.3 .431 .365 .814 11.5 .169
13 Vince Carter 28 TOT 0.0 3.0 1270 0.002 77 36.7 24.5 5.2 4.2 1.4 0.6 .452 .406 .798 9.4 .159
14T P.J. Brown 35 NOH 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 82 34.4 10.8 9.0 2.2 0.9 0.6 .446 .864 6.9 .118
14T Marcus Camby 30 DEN 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 66 30.5 10.3 10.0 2.3 0.9 3.0 .465 .000 .723 5.8 .138
14T Shawn Marion 26 PHO 0.0 1.0 1270 0.001 81 38.8 19.4 11.3 1.9 2.0 1.5 .476 .334 .833 12.5 .191
kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO
that was the year he got injured and missed a good portion of the season..not the smush parker-kwame brown year i mentioned, my moron
both them steve nash mvps belong to kobe and every1 knows it.
don't try to back track outta this
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I thought nash won in 06 and 07, my mistake
either way, kobe was robbed of media love post rape trial, so the popularity contest (mvp award) don't really mean much in the big picture, because he was hands down the best player in basketball durin the duration of his prime. even used to make Duncan his bitch in the playoffs regularly.
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you were so sure you even referred to me as "my moron"
;D
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you were so sure you even referred to me as "my moron"
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lol thats cuz u over here callin people moron like its 2008 again..take it easy, fred :)
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well now that we can put that myth of Nash "stealing 2 mvp's from kobe" behind all of us
let's talk more about Duncan - dude is beasting right now. at age 500. after 4 years of college - imagine all the extra poitns and rebounds he'd have if he left 2 years early like Steph Curry for example.
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college is what made him this fundamentally sound
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Hardware talks. Duncan's clearly better.
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Hardware talks. Duncan's clearly better.
The MVP is not legit hardware. As proven in the 90's when they gave it to other players just so they can stop giving it to MJ, or in the 2000's when they gave it to every player but Kobe because of the trail. They gave the MVP trophy too early to LeBron because they media was so ready to make him the face of the NBA when Kobe was clearly the better player in 2009. In the 80's, Magic Johnson didn't win an MVP award before 1987, I mean what kind of bullshit was that? 2007, not only Dirk winning was crazy, Nash beat Kobe in votes for the third straight year. Can't no one tell me Nash was better than Kobe in any year Kobe played over 75 games. The MVP award is the most bullshit award in the NBA. You can't tell me between Shaq and Kobe, they only got 2 MVP awards and then argue with me that the MVP award is legit.
Bottom line, the MVP award is the worst way to judge who's the best in the NBA... period.
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One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
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One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
kobe would have 10 finals Mvps if he played his entire career on the Spurs
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One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.
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One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.
Kobe is never playing in another playoff game in his career lol
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One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.
Kobe is never playing in another playoff game in his career lol
And Duncan ain't winning another title either.
Let's just get this out the way,
Kobe, 17 time all star, Duncan 15 time all star
Kobe, 9 time all defensive team, Duncan, 8 time all defensive team
Kobe, 11 time all NBA first team, Duncan, 10 time all NBA first team
Their stats head to head are comparable considering Kobe is a guard and Duncan is a power forward. Kobe shoots more and scores more points, and has more assist and steals per game, were as Duncan gets more rebounds and has more blocks per game. But like everything else, they are comparable, BUT Kobe has just the slightest of edges head to head. Kobe is 4-2 against the Spurs in the playoffs, Kobe has scored more points, Duncan has been able to adjust his game to be a piece to Pop's system and Kobe has FORCED the Lakers to bend to fit his skill set.
These two are close, but at the end of the day, Kobe has the smallest of margins against Duncan.
I am still waiting on the LeBron is greater than Duncan post. That's how you KNOW Kobe is better. If Duncan was the best of this era, then LeBron fans would be trying to talk about how LeBron is better than Duncan. Instead they pick Kobe....
The most telling stat of Kobe being better than Duncan. Kobe has WAY more haters than Duncan.
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kobe was KNOWN for shitting on duncan in the playoffs....he was literally every Spurs fan worst nightmare. it took kobe bein injured for the spurs to take out the lakers in 2012.
at the end of the day, the only thing duncan has on kobe is that he's been on a great team for his entire career.......if kobe was on a great team from the day he was drafted, he'd have 10 titles by now. as individual players, it's not even close. Kobe>>>>>>>>Duncan.
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this m dog guy says MVP's don't count and HIS FIRST ARGUMENT IS ALL STAR GAMES?
:laugh: what a joke
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this m dog guy says MVP's don't count and HIS FIRST ARGUMENT IS ALL STAR GAMES?
:laugh: what a joke
lol. Oh, trust me, I knew what I was posting. My last stat was haters. Think about that. But both have something in common. It's how the player is viewed by the public. The MVP award is journalist with agenda. All Star games are fans who have favorite players they want to see minus being influenced by David Stern.
But the main point, no matter how you slice them, both are similar in stats. Kobe scores more and gets more steals and assist, Duncan gets more rebounds and blocks to go with a higher shooting percentage. Both are only separated by one year in many end of the year awards. It comes down to preference and how you view greatness. Duncan is a piece of Pop's puzzle, or Kobe is the centerpiece of the Laker franchise.
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One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
kobe would have 10 finals Mvps if he played his entire career on the Spurs
LeBron would currently have 11. I guess he's better than both.
lol @ thinking taking 25 shots a night would fly on the Spurs.
One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.
Kobe is never playing in another playoff game in his career lol
And Duncan ain't winning another title either.
Let's just get this out the way,
Kobe, 17 time all star, Duncan 15 time all star
Kobe, 9 time all defensive team, Duncan, 8 time all defensive team
Kobe, 11 time all NBA first team, Duncan, 10 time all NBA first team
Their stats head to head are comparable considering Kobe is a guard and Duncan is a power forward. Kobe shoots more and scores more points, and has more assist and steals per game, were as Duncan gets more rebounds and has more blocks per game. But like everything else, they are comparable, BUT Kobe has just the slightest of edges head to head. Kobe is 4-2 against the Spurs in the playoffs, Kobe has scored more points, Duncan has been able to adjust his game to be a piece to Pop's system and Kobe has FORCED the Lakers to bend to fit his skill set.
These two are close, but at the end of the day, Kobe has the smallest of margins against Duncan.
I am still waiting on the LeBron is greater than Duncan post. That's how you KNOW Kobe is better. If Duncan was the best of this era, then LeBron fans would be trying to talk about how LeBron is better than Duncan. Instead they pick Kobe....
The most telling stat of Kobe being better than Duncan. Kobe has WAY more haters than Duncan.
I don't think MDogg understands how the Dubcc standard works. Only the things that benefit my argument count. Everything I deem unworthy doesn't. Finals MVPs means he was a Finals winner. He has one more than Kobe...Duncan is better. End of discussion.
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One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
kobe would have 10 finals Mvps if he played his entire career on the Spurs
LeBron would currently have 11. I guess he's better than both.
lol @ thinking taking 25 shots a night would fly on the Spurs.
One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.
Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.
Kobe is never playing in another playoff game in his career lol
And Duncan ain't winning another title either.
Let's just get this out the way,
Kobe, 17 time all star, Duncan 15 time all star
Kobe, 9 time all defensive team, Duncan, 8 time all defensive team
Kobe, 11 time all NBA first team, Duncan, 10 time all NBA first team
Their stats head to head are comparable considering Kobe is a guard and Duncan is a power forward. Kobe shoots more and scores more points, and has more assist and steals per game, were as Duncan gets more rebounds and has more blocks per game. But like everything else, they are comparable, BUT Kobe has just the slightest of edges head to head. Kobe is 4-2 against the Spurs in the playoffs, Kobe has scored more points, Duncan has been able to adjust his game to be a piece to Pop's system and Kobe has FORCED the Lakers to bend to fit his skill set.
These two are close, but at the end of the day, Kobe has the smallest of margins against Duncan.
I am still waiting on the LeBron is greater than Duncan post. That's how you KNOW Kobe is better. If Duncan was the best of this era, then LeBron fans would be trying to talk about how LeBron is better than Duncan. Instead they pick Kobe....
The most telling stat of Kobe being better than Duncan. Kobe has WAY more haters than Duncan.
I don't think MDogg understands how the Dubcc standard works. Only the things that benefit my argument count. Everything I deem unworthy doesn't. Finals MVPs means he was a Finals winner. He has one more than Kobe...Duncan is better. End of discussion.
LMAO
Kobe has beaten Duncan 4-2 in the playoffs, therefore Kobe is better.
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how many of those times did Kobe have Shaq tho? :D
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how many of those times did Kobe have Shaq tho? :D
How many times did Duncan have Robinson, or Parker and/or Manu?
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how many of those times did Kobe have Shaq tho? :D
How many times did Duncan have Robinson, or Parker and/or Manu?
none of whom as are good as Shaq
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another playoff win for Timmy D
next game Thursday night
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how many of those times did Kobe have Shaq tho? :D
How many times did Duncan have Robinson, or Parker and/or Manu?
none of whom as are good as Shaq
But Duncan had at least two of them at a time. LOL... So they either had Parker and Robinson, or Manu and Parker, so the Spurs have always had a better team 3-12. Let's not kid ourselves, who'd you rather want on your bench, Mark Madsen, Luke Walton and Vujacic, or Kerr, Ferry, Steve Smith, Turkoglu, Michael Finley, and a whole host of others. For me, I'd rather be in the Spurs place, as I love complete teams. And Duncan has always had complete teams and he just got to play his role in a system. Kobe was THE system. The Lakers needed Kobe and Shaq to score 30+, and then later Kobe score 30+ and Pau to get 20+.
To show the Spurs depth, for Duncan's first 6 season, he averaged over 38 minutes played per game. But once that 7th season hit, and Duncan was still only 27, he had 11 out of 12 season having under 35 minutes per game, and 4 of those season he had less than 30 minutes per game. For Kobe, from his 3rd season when he averaged 37.9 minutes per game, 11 out of his next 16 season were all over 38 minutes per game, on top of that he hit over 40 miniutes per game 5 seasons. The Lakers have been more depended on Kobe for their success than Duncan.
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you realize how old David was when Duncan was drafted, right?? and you are wrong, Tony Parker was not on the Spurs during their final title so he did NOT have "two of them" each time. you and Sccit both need do some research before making these bogus claims.
Shaq was in his PRIME with Kobe, David Robinson was an old ass man when TD arrived.
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And Duncan has always had complete teams and he just got to play his role in a system. Kobe was THE system. The Lakers have been more depended on Kobe for their success than Duncan.
BINGO
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you realize how old David was when Duncan was drafted, right?? and you are wrong, Tony Parker was not on the Spurs during their final title so he did NOT have "two of them" each time. you and Sccit both need do some research before making these bogus claims.
Shaq was in his PRIME with Kobe, David Robinson was an old ass man when TD arrived.
You mean that first title, and I realize that. Kobe was still developing, the Lakers were still incomplete and Pop was a way better coach than Kurt Rambis. In fact, looking at Rambis' record, the fact that the Lakers did as well as they did that year is a minor miracle.
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::)
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yes, i did mean "first title" by the way. didn't even catch that part until now :D
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yes, i did mean "first title" by the way. didn't even catch that part until now :D
But my argument still stands about that year. As you mentioned, Duncan was older than Kobe, more developed and Kobe had Rambis as a coach which looking at Rambis's record, the fact the Lakers made the playoffs was crazy.
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another year of not repeating
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