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10/30/2015 10:38 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
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1030-jerry-heller-dr-dre-TMZ-01Jerry Heller is suing everyone connected with "Straight Outta Compton," alleging the movie defamed him ... and he wants $110 MILLION minimum.
Heller has just filed suit against Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, the Estate of Eazy-E, NBC Universal and others, claiming the portrayal of him in the movie was false and damaging.
Heller says he was portrayed as "the bad guy" and "a sleazy manager who took advantage of Eazy-E, Dr. Dre and Ice Cube." And he says there are other lies in the movie, including:
-- He withheld a $75k check from Ice Cube
-- He fraudulently induced Dre and Cube to sign unfavorable contracts
-- He enjoyed lobster brunches while the contracts were being signed
-- He was fired by Eazy-E
He claims he never gave permission to use his likeness and he wants profits from the movie as well because NBC sold tickets off his back. He also claims producers used his book without permission for pivotal scenes, including the one where Suge Knight strong-armed Eazy-E into signing away his rights to Death Row.
And this is funny ... he says producers didn't even bother to give his character a fake name, like "Gary Beller."
You'll recall Heller sat in the front row with his lawyers when the movie premiered.
He's suing for $35 million in compensatory damages and at least $75 mil in punitives ... plus all profits from the flick.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/30/jerry-heller-sues-dr-dre-cube-straight-outta-compton-defamation/#ixzz3q5Z58GDD
http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/30/jerry-heller-sues-dr-dre-cube-straight-outta-compton-defamation/
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Well, I think he has a strong case. Most of the discrepancies between real life and the movie were completely arbitrary. There was no creative need to misrepresent history - the story would have been fine if they simply represented things as they were.
Listening to B.G. Knocc Out's interviews on VladTV makes you realize that the estate of Eazy E could also sue the movie for defamation. Portraying Eazy as broke? Making it look like he got beat up? No need to do either of those things, unless you're Dr. Dre and you still secretly hate the man a little bit.
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Well, I think he has a strong case. Most of the discrepancies between real life and the movie were completely arbitrary. There was no creative need to misrepresent history - the story would have been fine if they simply represented things as they were.
Listening to B.G. Knocc Out's interviews on VladTV makes you realize that the estate of Eazy E could also sue the movie for defamation. Portraying Eazy as broke? Making it look like he got beat up? No need to do either of those things, unless you're Dr. Dre and you still secretly hate the man a little bit.
I agreed up until the Dre comment. I really believe that this is Cube's doing and that Cube is the one who still hates Heller. I've seen the hate for Heller with No Vaseline, I've never seen it coming from Dre. Also, as I said somewhere else, Cube is in the movie business, not Dre.
I think Suge has a case as well because people keep coming out and saying that Suge never beat up Eazy. It's crazy to think that Suge kilt someone over how he was portrayed in the film.
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The backlash might end up doin every1 involved in this movie dirty
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Listening to B.G. Knocc Out's interviews on VladTV makes you realize that the estate of Eazy E could also sue the movie for defamation. Portraying Eazy as broke? Making it look like he got beat up? No need to do either of those things, unless you're Dr. Dre and you still secretly hate the man a little bit.
No, they cannot sue. They are actually part of the lawsuit that Heller is filing. They were given the same kind of creative license as Dre and Cube, meaning Eazy's estate had to sign off on how Eric was portrayed in the movie. They are also producers on the project. Heller is suing Dre, Cube, and Eazy's estate for more or less, all of the profits earned from this film. It's all just Hollywood bullshit. He wants a piece of the action. He's starting with a ridiculous amount so when they settle out of court, the price will be higher. It will basically end up being him getting a payout to shut the fuck up and move on.
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The one case where he does have some grounds is the use of accounts of events from his book. There are stories/conversations with Eazy that only he had the knowledge of and I don't think you can use information like that without crediting the source.
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10/30/2015 10:38 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
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1He withheld a $75k check from Ice Cube
2 He fraudulently induced Dre and Cube to sign unfavorable contracts
3 He enjoyed lobster brunches while the contracts were being signed
4 He was fired by Eazy-E
5 He also claims producers used his book without permission for pivotal scenes, including the one where Suge Knight strong-armed Eazy-E into signing away his rights to Death Row.
And this is funny ... he says producers didn't even bother to give his character a fake name, like "Gary Beller."
You'll recall Heller sat in the front row with his lawyers when the movie premiered.
He's suing for $35 million in compensatory damages and at least $75 mil in punitives ... plus all profits from the flick.
1. That story has been around for fucking ages and Ice Cube has stated that for fucking years, it's already been in the public record at the very least as a alleged version of events
2. That was never depicted in the film, all his character stated was that the others already signed there contracts.
3. That's completely debatable and unprovable that it did or didn't happen in either case.
4. Everyone around ruthless at the time has stated he was fired, never once was it stated he just left. the where was changed (everyone stated it happened at the company office, not his home)
5. Eazy E being strong armed by Suge has been a matter of Public record since he filed the lawsuit in the early 90s, and Won, it's been talked about in multiple Documentaries and interviews, what was depicted during the confrontation is debatable, and Suge would possibly have a suit however he himself was not shown beating Eazy E but a by stander. Jerry has no knowledge of what happened during that meeting outside of what Eazy and Suge and anyone else involved has stated.
6. Hollywood has done this multiple times in order to avoid legal stuff like this, however Jerry Heller's work with N.W.A and the entire story was Completely documented and already a matter of the public record through various means (Documentary's, News, Interviews, Magazines), and when it involves multiple people depicting there point of view they are allowed to portray the events as they perceived them and given he can be considered a public figure dude to his own means (the book, the interviews he has given) so his portrayal is legal.
The only thing he could sue is possibly slander, however if Ruthless kept its Financial records to show he did in fact embezzle from the company and didn't pursue charges, then the film was a accurate portrayal of a events from a witnesses point of view and his case has no merit.
Honestly I hope Universal, The Eazy E Estate and Ice Cube fight and crush this fucker, simply for the fact he's had a chip on his shoulder since the god damn 90s and hasn't let it go. I saw a interview were he's stated he's forgiving the people who threaten him but not Ice Cube simply because he called him a Jew, not a kike, not a oven dodger, but a Jew. all it shows is he's a hypocrite who only give a fuck about getting rich off the group and not what rap and the group was about, and his anger is in the same vein as all those morons who protested N.W.A and the 90s rappers.
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I don't know that he has much of a case. Because actually... they didn't even do him that dirty in the movie. That's the thing. And there are witnesses like Bone—to Jerry being fired by Eazy. And the contract thing with Cube, and whether or not he at Lobster—is kind of splitting hairs. Because clearly there was a 75,000 dollar check out there and Cube just didn't even end up signing it. I didn't even really seem him withhold anything from Cube in the movie. Also, Heller can't really argue that Dre wasn't underpaid, because clearly he was underpaid. The movie never painted Jerry as stealing money from them, it just showed that Dre was underpaid, and even that point wasn't really made emphatically.
So I think the simple fact is that they didn't really drag Jerry through the mud in the movie. As much as he would like to believe that they did, they really didn't. Did they give him a fair shake? Probably not, because Cube is a bit of a racist and probably still hates Jerry... but they didn't exactly drag his name through the mud either. So I hope he loses the case.
This is bullshit that all these people are trying to get money off of this film. You got Suge thinking he deserves a cut. Then Suge goes and kills some people over it, and then next thing you know their families are making million dollars worth of wrongful death lawsuits against Dre and Cube thinking they deserve a cut as well.... this is all bullshit. Suge is the one that killed them, and Dre and Cube had nothing to do with it.
The most ridiculous of all is Suge thinking he deserves a cut... hasn't Dre made that dude enough money in his life? Look what he has accomplished without Dre. He ran the company into the ground and spent most of the years in prison.
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Reading through the suit and my personal beliefs on em. Also for people who don't wanna read the document
Page 6 Line 8: The screen play allegedly being sold behind his back could be countered that because the events depicted in the film are based on real life, said events would have to be reflected regardless of script origins, and could possibly be countered that another, completely unrelated screenplay was produced with the same events and "characters" dude to the events being depicted are again real life events.
Page 6 Line 13: States he did not give his permission for his likeness to be used Once again he is a Public figure, and the events in question are from the view of the people around him.
Page 6 Line 35: Jerry states he didn't receive any compensation and was not contacted for involvement. Again the film is depicting the point of view of the individuals who were around him and there view (N.W.A, Tomica, Possibly other ruthless Acts)
Page 6 Line 20: Jerry States his depiction was false and negative resulting in his name being disgraced. Again the events depicted in the film have already been public record for a long time, the only possible standing is the conversations in the scenes that include his characters Reaction to No Vaseline, his Rebuttal to Eazy E Firing him, The Lobster scene, Him talking about getting back to work during scene in which they watch Rodyney King. IMO the only scene in which is debatable is Eazy E firing him, all the other scenes depict him infront of other people (hence there view of events) however given his firing was at Ruthless Office it's possible he was fired in front of people. That would be universals best line of defense, of course you open up to a perjury charge if caught lying and again some Scenes can not actually be proven true or false by either party due to lack of recordings.
Page 6 Line 23 to Page 7 Line 8 - Talks his portrayal as the bad guy in the film, his telling Ice Cube not to get a lawyer, and him hiding financial information from the group as well as paying himself before the group. The meeting between him and cube is here say and can't be proven on either side, Him not giving Ice Cube money is a matter of public record when Ice Cube sued for royalties (and won), as for him hiding the money is depending on all parties involved and there memories of events.As for him paying himself before the group, that wasn't really depicted in the film from what I saw, you could argue him having money in the film before N.W.A could already be money he owned from being in the music business before hand, and not necessarily from N.W.A's Profits.
Page 7 Line 9 - Allegedly during a settlement Tomica signed a non-disparagement clause during Jerry's original suit with ruthless in the settlement. This prevents her from saying anything negative about him, and he's saying she broke contract because his depiction in the film. Universal can state any depictions involving him was from N.W.A's point of view, and her involvement was strictly for the Eazy E Characterization.
Page 7 Line 13 - stealing from his book, again depends on what exactly he claims they cribbed from his book.
Page 7 Line 16 - List moments of when they get harassed in front of the studio right after Dr. Dre's baby momma leaves and Eazy E's confrontation with knight. Said first moment involves N.W.A and again can be said was from there perception of events, and The second moment stated was again a matter of public record after the original lawsuit from the 90s. He keeps the legalities open by stating that it was not exclusively these two scenes.
Page 7 Line 22 - basically he wants more money if the film grosses more.
Page 13 Line 3 - LMAO that's the line with "Garry Beller" with the following lines talking about his privacy rights, Honestly from what I remember in the film he was only once depicted alone and that was with the blood outside his House any other time was a depiction involving other people (point of view once again). The firing scene might come into play, but again depends on the real thing.
page 15 Line 13 - is part of the settlement with tomica, involving the non-Disparaging agreement, that explains why we never heard either of em talk shit to each other, because legally they can't without violating the agreement.
page 16 Nine cause of Action - So apparently the original screen play was based on a Oral agreement, that's pretty bad, because the two writers can claim together what he is saying is false, and could state Jerry was a mere consultant/source of inspiration for the events in the original 4 Screen plays, and not commissioned, unless they have financial, emails, or paper documentation proving they were commissioned by him.
Page 18 - Eleventh cause of action - He's saying they took his book and 4 screen plays to make the film. Again because it's based on reality and has multiple peoples point of views on such a short period of events (coming together, the single tour, the beef, the break up, and flash forward into the late 90s with Eazy's death) I doubt he'll get this, unless they can link extremely specific events from his book that were private.
Page 24 Exhibit A - I JUST READ THIS SHIT LOL IT'S THE EXACT ARGUMENT UNIVERSAL IS GONNA USE TO WIN. It's basically his legal protection so he couldn't get sued from the book, Universal has the same type of legal text at the end of the movie (just like every movie and even some video games have had before). The film is not a documentary, it's a bio-pic which is a depiction of real life events dramatized for entertainment. We've seen it time and time again.
Page 29 Continuation of Exhibit B - part of the original settlement with Tomica. Holy fuck Heller got paid 2,250,00 Dollars plus interest despite his original suit being dismissed, and unable for either to sue in the future unless breach of contract. However each side pays there own attorneys fees and cost. Honestly if this was the settlement I wonder what the fucker wanted, but given what he's suing for now, It was probably a lot more.
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The problem is that it's hard for Jerry Heller and his legal team to actually prove there were damages.
Whether the stuff was accurate or not, he has already been painted as a money grubber by both Cube and Dre when they both left Ruthless when they did. So it's not like people dropped a bomb on him that is suddenly making him look a certain way.
Additionally, his life is not impacted at the moment... on top of the guy being old and probably not going to be around in the next decade, it's not as if he is going to lose revenue because of this, or that his reputation is negatively affected to the point where he is being attacked or deals are being withdrawn.
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The problem is that it's hard for Jerry Heller and his legal team to actually prove there were damages.
Whether the stuff was accurate or not, he has already been painted as a money grubber by both Cube and Dre when they both left Ruthless when they did. So it's not like people dropped a bomb on him that is suddenly making him look a certain way.
Additionally, his life is not impacted at the moment... on top of the guy being old and probably not going to be around in the next decade, it's not as if he is going to lose revenue because of this, or that his reputation is negatively affected to the point where he is being attacked or deals are being withdrawn.
He's grabbing at straws, he can't prove any of his current business dealings are being hurt by the film, nor his public perception because this is all stuff from the 80s/90s it's old news already. It's already been established within the history of rap, news, and legal hearings. The lawsuit involving Ice Cube in the 80s, combined with the lawsuit of Dr. Dre in the 90s already established this history of were he and ruthless allegedly did not provide proper compensation. They are a matter of public record, and if the case goes to trail, the documents and transcripts of the original 2 lawsuits are going to be entered into the hearing to show that his characterization within the film wasn't falsified, but "merely inspired" by the legal histories he was involved in.
Honestly the only reason I believe ruthless didn't have Jerry arrested for his embezzlement is because the idea of a hardcore rap label which had one of the most gangster ass groups of all time, who's known for saying Fuck the Police wouldn't be good publicity for them. Quick question did they ever file a civil suit on him for the embezzlement???
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Well, I think he has a strong case. Most of the discrepancies between real life and the movie were completely arbitrary. There was no creative need to misrepresent history - the story would have been fine if they simply represented things as they were.
Listening to B.G. Knocc Out's interviews on VladTV makes you realize that the estate of Eazy E could also sue the movie for defamation. Portraying Eazy as broke? Making it look like he got beat up? No need to do either of those things, unless you're Dr. Dre and you still secretly hate the man a little bit.
I agreed up until the Dre comment. I really believe that this is Cube's doing and that Cube is the one who still hates Heller. I've seen the hate for Heller with No Vaseline, I've never seen it coming from Dre. Also, as I said somewhere else, Cube is in the movie business, not Dre.
I think Suge has a case as well because people keep coming out and saying that Suge never beat up Eazy. It's crazy to think that Suge kilt someone over how he was portrayed in the film.
Cube is obviously responsible for the negative portrayal of Heller.
But I suspect that Dre is behind the inaccurate representation of Eazy E in the period after NWA broke up.
Whoever is in charge of the Eazy E estate clearly didn't care much about the movie accurately portraying E's final years.
BG Knocc Out thought Dre was responsible for the misrepresentation of that period, and I think he's right about that. Dre is a snake.
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Well, I think he has a strong case. Most of the discrepancies between real life and the movie were completely arbitrary. There was no creative need to misrepresent history - the story would have been fine if they simply represented things as they were.
Listening to B.G. Knocc Out's interviews on VladTV makes you realize that the estate of Eazy E could also sue the movie for defamation. Portraying Eazy as broke? Making it look like he got beat up? No need to do either of those things, unless you're Dr. Dre and you still secretly hate the man a little bit.
I agreed up until the Dre comment. I really believe that this is Cube's doing and that Cube is the one who still hates Heller. I've seen the hate for Heller with No Vaseline, I've never seen it coming from Dre. Also, as I said somewhere else, Cube is in the movie business, not Dre.
I think Suge has a case as well because people keep coming out and saying that Suge never beat up Eazy. It's crazy to think that Suge kilt someone over how he was portrayed in the film.
Jerry heller is the one who hates ice cube. ice cube dont care about no jerry heller.
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its a movie some parts are fabricated Jeery going ot get this case tossed out.
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Jerry just wants to be loved. At least he'll get to see Ice Cube in person 1 last time.
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BLASPHEMY WHATUP
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its a movie some parts are fabricated Jeery going ot get this case tossed out.
Maybe not. He might get a little money but it will likely be some settlement money to where he gets paid to not discuss the case. It will all depend. When you have a biopic that is based on real events that makes as much money as this one did, it's only natural that people are going to come out of the woodworks to sue. I think Heller's best argument is them taking stuff from the book. I think I recall Cube admitting to this but the reality is it is a movie. Alonzo Williams had the most reasonable reaction to it all. He said they depicted him differently but understood that facts are changed around for storytelling purposes. The old saying, "Never little the truth get in the way of a good story".
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BLASPHEMY WHATUP
Last couple of years of my life in a nutshell can be summed up in this one video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z263pJV0UM
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BLASPHEMY WHATUP
Last couple of years of my life in a nutshell can be summed up in this one video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z263pJV0UM
WE NEED SOME OF THEM CLASSIC TL;DR TALES BRODIE
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BLASPHEMY WHATUP
Last couple of years of my life in a nutshell can be summed up in this one video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z263pJV0UM
WE NEED SOME OF THEM CLASSIC TL;DR TALES BRODIE
So you remember that post I made before I left, I was fucked up when I wrote that and for a period I wasn't doing anything bad, I was a remorseful on some aspects of my life, not the people I stabbed or fucked up because they deserved it, more like the people I fucked with when I didn't have to. anyways, so I was trying to be a good motherfucker, let peoples bullshit slide, not call em out on it, it gave me a relationship with my family again. stopped representing the organization, I was still involved with bullshit because of friends but I stopped wearing my gear in that capacity, I still wear it because its my city and I love the football team.I started Identifying myself more as anarchist (which is actually on a old school tip, is that's what I was when I was younger) and less as a gangster. So there I am being a legitimate good motherfucker for awhile still catching flack for my old ways, when all of a sudden people start thinking I'm not the aggressive motherfucker I was before, which is good. I mean you ever listen to Straight outta Comptons Gangsta Gangsta track that was fucking me. So now they're starting to act good towards me everything is going good, then I start to notice they not treating me with the respect I had before, couple of motherfuckers talking shit, but I'm like I'm in that shit anymore..
Then the car accident happen.
So I got rear ended by some asshole going 120mph while I'm doing 65 at the most (company vehicle), so now I can't take a day off because I'm supporting my dad who has cancer, I've been doing it for 2 fucking years already. So I go back to work completely fucked up, never getting treatment, then people start talking shit, because I didn't get outta the car and smash that motherfucker into bits. Because I didn't sue my work the moment it happened (I ended up doing that once I found another job, it's tied up). Then I hear people saying Courage aint shit, motherfucker is weak, peoples bullshit starts piling on getting more fucking annoying, so I go straight over to the motherfucker in the bel-air I roll up they look at me I'm like COME ON MOTHERFUCKER TALK SHIT NOW I'M RIGHT HERE, Screaming this shit at him, Telling motherfuckers about what a fucking hoe he was being when he lost his job at where I used to work (I got fired later for allegedly doing donuts on the forklift). Dude stays silent, then I head out to another spot and my friend got funk with people from around the way, so we roll over there in my car because this guy has no fucking car or job, and we end up fucking up these 2 motherfuckers, and so during this period my rage just starts building, so my family comes at me on some bullshit I call em out on it, so they're pissed off at me again, and now my nephew is dealing with gangs because of his friends and school, he's not in a organization and he has no plans to I'll kick his ass if he does, so his homies got issues with several different motherfuckers, So now when they go out to functions were they might run into these young motherfuckers I come along to provide "security" sorta bodyguard, One of his friends got funk with the bloods, I can't wait for that day, Cause I hate a slob more then fucking scrap. I don't represent any thing anymore, but I'm just in fuck shit up mode again. No body be talking that C-Dawg is weak shit anymore, stupid motherfuckers. That's just some of the more recent shit, like I said in the previous post, last couple of years been a bit fucked.
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I don't know that he has much of a case. Because actually... they didn't even do him that dirty in the movie. That's the thing. And there are witnesses like Bone—to Jerry being fired by Eazy. And the contract thing with Cube, and whether or not he at Lobster—is kind of splitting hairs. Because clearly there was a 75,000 dollar check out there and Cube just didn't even end up signing it. I didn't even really seem him withhold anything from Cube in the movie. Also, Heller can't really argue that Dre wasn't underpaid, because clearly he was underpaid. The movie never painted Jerry as stealing money from them, it just showed that Dre was underpaid, and even that point wasn't really made emphatically.
So I think the simple fact is that they didn't really drag Jerry through the mud in the movie. As much as he would like to believe that they did, they really didn't. Did they give him a fair shake? Probably not, because Cube is a bit of a racist and probably still hates Jerry... but they didn't exactly drag his name through the mud either. So I hope he loses the case.
This is bullshit that all these people are trying to get money off of this film. You got Suge thinking he deserves a cut. Then Suge goes and kills some people over it, and then next thing you know their families are making million dollars worth of wrongful death lawsuits against Dre and Cube thinking they deserve a cut as well.... this is all bullshit. Suge is the one that killed them, and Dre and Cube had nothing to do with it.
The most ridiculous of all is Suge thinking he deserves a cut... hasn't Dre made that dude enough money in his life? Look what he has accomplished without Dre. He ran the company into the ground and spent most of the years in prison.
I'm going to go on a limb here and say that either Jerry wasn't fired or if he was he knows that no one can prove it. You mention Bone as witnesses but they didn't witness Jerry being fired. They were just told by other employee's that he had been fired. It may sound tedious but in a court of law it's not he same thing. Think if it was a murder. Would you convict someone for murder just because someone told you they did it or would you go by people who actually witnessed the murder taking place? Bone didn't see it so they can't say for sure, it's merely hearsay. It's like I said before. None of us have seen anything that proves that Jerry was taking money or anything of that nature. We just believe it because it has been stated on so many occasions. That's not to say he did or didn't, I'm just making a point here.
Dre may have been underpaid but as long as he was getting paid based off of his contract then the law wasn't broken. Another thing I've said in the past is that in all likelihood Heller wasn't physically stealing money from his artist. What probably happened was that he gave them standard slave industry contracts and was getting over in that way. I don't agree with it at all but legally if you sign a bad contract then that's not theft. This would explain why no member has ever sued Jerry for money owed because contractually he doesn't owe them.
The movie did show Jerry stealing money when he was saying that he looked out for himself and the fact that Eazy had to downgrade his house shortly thereafter as if Jerry had robbed him blind. That's where they messed up at.
From what I've read Suge didn't like the way he was being portrayed in the film. Even Jerry said that Suge never touched Eazy and thats coming from a man that hates Suge. Yet Suge is portrayed in the movie beating Eazy. I have heard that repeatedly and believed it also but people are now coming out saying that it never happened. When you do movies like this you can't make mistakes but putting in rumors that make people look bad like that. It sets you up for a lawsuit. They also messed up by not reaching out to key figures. We discussed that way before the movie came out because people on the Ruthless side were complaining about it. Regardless of how they felt about Jerry and various Ruthless artist they should have consulted them. Had they done so they wouldn't be in this mess now. Not sure if Suge felt he wanted a cut or if he heard about how they made him look but had they got with him then Terry Carter would still be alive as well. It's not like Dre or Cube had to personally deal with anyone they didn't want to, you hire people for that. Bottom line is they messed up big time in several ways with this film and you can tell by the Terry Carter situation/lawsuit, the backlash over the inaccuracies of the film and now this lawsuit.
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I don't know that he has much of a case. Because actually... they didn't even do him that dirty in the movie. That's the thing. And there are witnesses like Bone—to Jerry being fired by Eazy. And the contract thing with Cube, and whether or not he at Lobster—is kind of splitting hairs. Because clearly there was a 75,000 dollar check out there and Cube just didn't even end up signing it. I didn't even really seem him withhold anything from Cube in the movie. Also, Heller can't really argue that Dre wasn't underpaid, because clearly he was underpaid. The movie never painted Jerry as stealing money from them, it just showed that Dre was underpaid, and even that point wasn't really made emphatically.
So I think the simple fact is that they didn't really drag Jerry through the mud in the movie. As much as he would like to believe that they did, they really didn't. Did they give him a fair shake? Probably not, because Cube is a bit of a racist and probably still hates Jerry... but they didn't exactly drag his name through the mud either. So I hope he loses the case.
This is bullshit that all these people are trying to get money off of this film. You got Suge thinking he deserves a cut. Then Suge goes and kills some people over it, and then next thing you know their families are making million dollars worth of wrongful death lawsuits against Dre and Cube thinking they deserve a cut as well.... this is all bullshit. Suge is the one that killed them, and Dre and Cube had nothing to do with it.
The most ridiculous of all is Suge thinking he deserves a cut... hasn't Dre made that dude enough money in his life? Look what he has accomplished without Dre. He ran the company into the ground and spent most of the years in prison.
I'm going to go on a limb here and say that either Jerry wasn't fired or if he was he knows that no one can prove it. You mention Bone as witnesses but they didn't witness Jerry being fired. They were just told by other employee's that he had been fired. It may sound tedious but in a court of law it's not he same thing. Think if it was a murder. Would you convict someone for murder just because someone told you they did it or would you go by people who actually witnessed the murder taking place? Bone didn't see it so they can't say for sure, it's merely hearsay. It's like I said before. None of us have seen anything that proves that Jerry was taking money or anything of that nature. We just believe it because it has been stated on so many occasions. That's not to say he did or didn't, I'm just making a point here.
Dre may have been underpaid but as long as he was getting paid based off of his contract then the law wasn't broken. Another thing I've said in the past is that in all likelihood Heller wasn't physically stealing money from his artist. What probably happened was that he gave them standard slave industry contracts and was getting over in that way. I don't agree with it at all but legally if you sign a bad contract then that's not theft. This would explain why no member has ever sued Jerry for money owed because contractually he doesn't owe them.
The movie did show Jerry stealing money when he was saying that he looked out for himself and the fact that Eazy had to downgrade his house shortly thereafter as if Jerry had robbed him blind. That's where they messed up at.
From what I've read Suge didn't like the way he was being portrayed in the film. Even Jerry said that Suge never touched Eazy and thats coming from a man that hates Suge. Yet Suge is portrayed in the movie beating Eazy. I have heard that repeatedly and believed it also but people are now coming out saying that it never happened. When you do movies like this you can't make mistakes but putting in rumors that make people look bad like that. It sets you up for a lawsuit. They also messed up by not reaching out to key figures. We discussed that way before the movie came out because people on the Ruthless side were complaining about it. Regardless of how they felt about Jerry and various Ruthless artist they should have consulted them. Had they done so they wouldn't be in this mess now. Not sure if Suge felt he wanted a cut or if he heard about how they made him look but had they got with him then Terry Carter would still be alive as well. It's not like Dre or Cube had to personally deal with anyone they didn't want to, you hire people for that. Bottom line is they messed up big time in several ways with this film and you can tell by the Terry Carter situation/lawsuit, the backlash over the inaccuracies of the film and now this lawsuit.
The people who are saying it never happened mean he never Hit him or beat him down, the bulk of the people involved stated he was threatened, but even in the original lawsuits I don't recall them saying he actually got physically assaulted, just threatened with bats, and Dr. Dre's release was under duress. Suge wanted a cut, he's been talking shit for years about how he's Dr. Dre's "Life time" manager for years. Suge shouldn't of gone down there, and he wanted to see Dr. Dre specifically, but security did there job and kept him out, he fucked up when he followed them to the burger joint, and Sloan fucked up even worse by just wailing on the motherfucker. Dude is in a fucking truck, he can and did hit your ass. Terry dying was just collateral damage.
As for the inaccuracies No fucking way would they allow people to see the real Niggaz 4 Life
Never mind the bulk of them niggaz treated women like shit,
Dr. Dre beating women, speeding in his POS car, getting put in jail for TICKETS not assaults, getting punked by Suge Knight and getting dissed by Tupac in the end, getting shot, his house arrest, they showed his DUI/Speed chase.
Eazy E in his full gangsterism of not giving a fuck (Eazy in the film was soft) dealing drugs, dressed up in the slightly more proper mid 80s gear (Check the OLD photos of N.W.A before they figured out they group clothing style, Lot of cats dressed like that),
One of the first N.W.A songs "Panic Zone" ala The Arabian Prince's original input before they found there new style.
Ice Cube hanging out with the crip organization on his block, but never actually doing shit, going to college, dressed up in again the PROPER 80s style, seriously, I know people way back in the day, they aren't ashamed because they said it themselves that was the style, hell 1 dog I know still listens to Egyptian lover, Funk, 50s,60s, and doesn't dig a lot of rap.
They always wrote off the Wrecking Crew Era, but it's nothing to be ashamed of, it was in the moment, it's what got them known in the club originally.
MC Ren doing his thing.
DJ Yella filming porn on the side in the early 90s (he started via a alias before Eazy's death apparently)
Them motherfuckers being Broke and still in the hood while the Compton album was making waves in the media, giving interviews (Check the really old interviews, no body started making real money until after 89 and the first Tour).
All of em post Cube saying Dee Barnes deserved to get her ass beat, them firing guns on stage.
MORE into the Feud it's self, Dr. Dre looking retarded in Michelle's music videos, N.W.A giving Cube the cold shoulder in the interviews, lynch mob committing murder, Cube ripping off King Sun, Dropping Lynch Mob because of said murder charges, ripping off Cypress Hill.
There is so much shit going on between the period of 88 to 96 (The period the movie takes place) that's pretty fucking gangster and fucked up because of them, who's around and involved with them that no fucking way they would show the truth, because in today's environment people want what I call "The Friendly Gangster" Think Drake, or all these other cats today, claiming to be in gangs and gangsters and not actually doing shit to earn or be labeled that title. People who you see claiming, acting it, but are generally good people who don't actually meet the requirement to earn said label, but the people who consume that product or pass judgement isn't gonna complain because it's like a movie.
Think Menace II Society, Goodfellas, Every fucking crime flick from the Criminals point of view, people see that shit and they like em, they sympathize with them, they would even like to look at them as friends if they were real or be them, but in real life those people who do that wouldn't ever in they life want people like that in there life, people who are the real deal, so when they see someone who resembles the movie, they are not gonna care, they're gonna accept it. The terms are no longer in relation to actually being a hardcore motherfuckers. Now the real motherfuckers, they're the ones checking people on this stupid shit. They're not gonna make a movie for the real motherfuckers, they're gonna make a movie for the other motherfuckers I just described. The people who rather deal with the "movie" version of a lifestyle but not the reality.
That type of shit that people do, is what gets motherfuckers shot. The reason I liked the REAL N.W.A and a lot of the old school acts is because those motherfuckers were broke like me, they were surrounded by motherfuckers who did all types of foul shit, hell a couple of them did it, they were fucked up individuals who weren't stupid and kept it real, the best interviews to watch on ANY rapper is the moment right before they get famous, when they're coming up, because it's before the Ego being driven by fame and yes men via the record company. It's motherfuckers being real because they are still in that environment where lying can get them fucked up.
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BLASPHEMY WHATUP
Last couple of years of my life in a nutshell can be summed up in this one video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z263pJV0UM
WE NEED SOME OF THEM CLASSIC TL;DR TALES BRODIE
So you remember that post I made before I left, I was fucked up when I wrote that and for a period I wasn't doing anything bad, I was a remorseful on some aspects of my life, not the people I stabbed or fucked up because they deserved it, more like the people I fucked with when I didn't have to. anyways, so I was trying to be a good motherfucker, let peoples bullshit slide, not call em out on it, it gave me a relationship with my family again. stopped representing the organization, I was still involved with bullshit because of friends but I stopped wearing my gear in that capacity, I still wear it because its my city and I love the football team.I started Identifying myself more as anarchist (which is actually on a old school tip, is that's what I was when I was younger) and less as a gangster. So there I am being a legitimate good motherfucker for awhile still catching flack for my old ways, when all of a sudden people start thinking I'm not the aggressive motherfucker I was before, which is good. I mean you ever listen to Straight outta Comptons Gangsta Gangsta track that was fucking me. So now they're starting to act good towards me everything is going good, then I start to notice they not treating me with the respect I had before, couple of motherfuckers talking shit, but I'm like I'm in that shit anymore..
Then the car accident happen.
So I got rear ended by some asshole going 120mph while I'm doing 65 at the most (company vehicle), so now I can't take a day off because I'm supporting my dad who has cancer, I've been doing it for 2 fucking years already. So I go back to work completely fucked up, never getting treatment, then people start talking shit, because I didn't get outta the car and smash that motherfucker into bits. Because I didn't sue my work the moment it happened (I ended up doing that once I found another job, it's tied up). Then I hear people saying Courage aint shit, motherfucker is weak, peoples bullshit starts piling on getting more fucking annoying, so I go straight over to the motherfucker in the bel-air I roll up they look at me I'm like COME ON MOTHERFUCKER TALK SHIT NOW I'M RIGHT HERE, Screaming this shit at him, Telling motherfuckers about what a fucking hoe he was being when he lost his job at where I used to work (I got fired later for allegedly doing donuts on the forklift). Dude stays silent, then I head out to another spot and my friend got funk with people from around the way, so we roll over there in my car because this guy has no fucking car or job, and we end up fucking up these 2 motherfuckers, and so during this period my rage just starts building, so my family comes at me on some bullshit I call em out on it, so they're pissed off at me again, and now my nephew is dealing with gangs because of his friends and school, he's not in a organization and he has no plans to I'll kick his ass if he does, so his homies got issues with several different motherfuckers, So now when they go out to functions were they might run into these young motherfuckers I come along to provide "security" sorta bodyguard, One of his friends got funk with the bloods, I can't wait for that day, Cause I hate a slob more then fucking scrap. I don't represent any thing anymore, but I'm just in fuck shit up mode again. No body be talking that C-Dawg is weak shit anymore, stupid motherfuckers. That's just some of the more recent shit, like I said in the previous post, last couple of years been a bit fucked.
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GOOD TO HAVE U BACK BRODIE