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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: 3331 on June 30, 2016, 09:02:39 AM
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was wondering what are the survival rates are for similar injuries? were the doctors competant?
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If it took him that long to die, then probably yea
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Probably. Remember that Afeni told the doctors to let him go, though admittedly they were working hard to keep him alive. But if he survived, it wouldn't have been something he'd just walk away from like the first shooting. His lungs were fucked up. Even Afeni was saying that she didn't want Pac to be living all messed up physically.
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Yup .. Kurt kobane was sayin he'd prolly be confined to a wheelchair if he did make it
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He definitely could've survived. Afeni just didn't give the doctors enough time.
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did it sever his spine? i remember the lung part of it.
my homeboys momma only got 1 lung and she is pretty normal.
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One of the interviews said that Pac was struggling out of the bed and trying to rip tubes out of him/turn the machine off himself which speaks volumes really. As for rappers with one lung, listen to old Beanie Siegel and listen to him now.
For those that were around during them nascent internet days it was amazing how we got updates everyday of how Pac was doing and it was bad, stable, better, much better, good, good, dead. That never really made any sense as the in any trauma situation its the first 48 hours that define the prognosis and for him to go from good to dead so quick always seemed off.
Back then it just fuelled the "He's in Cuba" rants, now it makes me think that his lines from Only God Can Judge Me (I hear the doctor standing over me screamin I can make it, Got a body full of bullet holes layin here naked, Still I, can't breathe, somethings evil in my IV, Cause everytime I breathe, I think they killin me) were quite prophetic even though they referenced his first shooting.
Maybe "someone" really wanted Pac dead, whatever the cost and by any means before he could do.... what?
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One of the interviews said that Pac was struggling out of the bed and trying to rip tubes out of him/turn the machine off himself which speaks volumes really. As for rappers with one lung, listen to old Beanie Siegel and listen to him now.
For those that were around during them nascent internet days it was amazing how we got updates everyday of how Pac was doing and it was bad, stable, better, much better, good, good, dead. That never really made any sense as the in any trauma situation its the first 48 hours that define the prognosis and for him to go from good to dead so quick always seemed off.
Back then it just fuelled the "He's in Cuba" rants, now it makes me think that his lines from Only God Can Judge Me (I hear the doctor standing over me screamin I can make it, Got a body full of bullet holes layin here naked, Still I, can't breathe, somethings evil in my IV, Cause everytime I breathe, I think they killin me) were quite prophetic even though they referenced his first shooting.
Maybe "someone" really wanted Pac dead, whatever the cost and by any means before he could do.... what?
RIP afeni shakur but maybe she just believed that pac rather be dead than live as a cripple .. Or something worse. But like a poster earlier said, it was her call to have him put out. A bit too early by my estimation, but it is what it is.
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There's a good documentary on this but I can't remember the name exactly. It was like a medical television show that went thru the procedures to save his life. What surprised and frustrated me most about the video was the possibility that Pac could've lived. If I remember correct they were able to remove all the bullets but there was just one still stuck under some bone, so they needed to remove a lung to get it out. Afeni declined and took him off life support.
It's hard to say if that was the right decision by Afeni but you know how close their bond is so I would go ahead and give her the benefit of the doubt, that she knew Pac was suffering too much or would not be able to heal back to form
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But I think in the moment, I don't think Pac was making progress (yet). Not to say that he was on the brink of death, but she was probably in agony seeing him go through that and didn't want to keep watching it, especially since it probably wasn't a sure thing yet that he'd be able to pull through, so she'd rather not risk putting him through more and having to watch it herself only to see him pass away anyway.
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I remember seeing or listening to a interview were they said the damages had already gone so far that oxygen to his brain was limited. So if he ever woke up, he would have been a vegetable
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2pac fans are biggest trolls in history of internet.
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There's a good documentary on this but I can't remember the name exactly. It was like a medical television show that went thru the procedures to save his life. What surprised and frustrated me most about the video was the possibility that Pac could've lived. If I remember correct they were able to remove all the bullets but there was just one still stuck under some bone, so they needed to remove a lung to get it out. Afeni declined and took him off life support.
It's hard to say if that was the right decision by Afeni but you know how close their bond is so I would go ahead and give her the benefit of the doubt, that she knew Pac was suffering too much or would not be able to heal back to form
Have a think around my dude and see if you can find the name please as that would be very interesting to watch as I still remember how it went down in 96 and it all seemed so strange as I outlined. Thats new info to me but it would explain how he went from good to dead if Afeni decided to pull the plug, but then as he was trying to pull it himself maybe she just carried out his wishes?
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My head hurts after opening this thread.
Too much idiocracy.
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obviously NOT.
::)
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post the name of that documentary if anybody knows it.
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I remember seeing or listening to a interview were they said the damages had already gone so far that oxygen to his brain was limited. So if he ever woke up, he would have been a vegetable
I heard something similar recently, said he was brain dead so they had no other choice than to pull the plug. Same situation when my boy shot himself in the head. Me and mine and his ex went in the room to see him and he was still breathing but he was completely brain dead so they pulled the plug.
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I remember seeing or listening to a interview were they said the damages had already gone so far that oxygen to his brain was limited. So if he ever woke up, he would have been a vegetable
I heard something similar recently, said he was brain dead so they had no other choice than to pull the plug. Same situation when my boy shot himself in the head. Me and mine and his ex went in the room to see him and he was still breathing but he was completely brain dead so they pulled the plug.
tupac lost the lung. It was the last procedure he had.
It was when they said he was fighting procedures and his organs were failing they wanted to put him in an induced coma and afeni said no, that If he was fighting that hard against what they were doing, and his body was failing, just to let him go.
they pulled life support.
What I have been told (multiple dif accounts) is that more than likely he was NOT brain dead, but #1 went brain dead after support was shut off, or told that without life support he would go brain dead.
Some say he was, then others like Danny Boy, Mopreme and Kidada say he responded to them in some way during those days. Mopreme said he shook the bed and both Danny Boy and Kidada said he responded to music once with a smile and both times with tears.
The saddest part is the fact that he had alot of seepage from his eyes and mostly they were 'glued' shut by mucus FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS and he could not breath on his own, at all whatsoever.
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I remember seeing or listening to a interview were they said the damages had already gone so far that oxygen to his brain was limited. So if he ever woke up, he would have been a vegetable
I heard something similar recently, said he was brain dead so they had no other choice than to pull the plug. Same situation when my boy shot himself in the head. Me and mine and his ex went in the room to see him and he was still breathing but he was completely brain dead so they pulled the plug.
tupac lost the lung. It was the last procedure he had.
It was when they said he was fighting procedures and his organs were failing they wanted to put him in an induced coma and afeni said no, that If he was fighting that hard against what they were doing, and his body was failing, just to let him go.
they pulled life support.
What I have been told (multiple dif accounts) is that more than likely he was NOT brain dead, but #1 went brain dead after support was shut off, or told that without life support he would go brain dead.
Some say he was, then others like Danny Boy, Mopreme and Kidada say he responded to them in some way during those days. Mopreme said he shook the bed and both Danny Boy and Kidada said he responded to music once with a smile and both times with tears.
The saddest part is the fact that he had alot of seepage from his eyes and mostly they were 'glued' shut by mucus FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS and he could not breath on his own, at all whatsoever.
With all due respect, in your humble opinion, should Afeni have pulled the plug?
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After reading jmix's post, it reminded me of when someone close to me passed away almost two years ago. When their eyes get like that, they're not doing well and are probably close to shutting down. Instead of pulling the plug, they were put on palliative care -- basically it's a scenario where they're not going to make it but rather than letting them go, they are given heavy doses to make the process calm and painless but nothing else for life support, so from that point forward, the body starts to shut down but the patient is unconscious and in no pain. It usually takes a few days at that point for them to pass away.
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i doubt he was brain dead and not after one week injured ..nowadays we got artificial respiration procedure . injuries in the liver, stomach are more serious than a lung for a normal person beacause of the quantity of the blood loss
yeah i think he could have survived but messed up . RIP Pac and Afeni Shakur
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Look at Lamar Odom .. Many deemed him dead and he was on life support for weeks if not months .... Seeing him now, u would never know it tho
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brain dead mean dead , totally . life support is different. a ventilation, a feedind tube or a dialysis sustain life for a long time.
an you can live good with just one lung
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Beanie Sigel just lost a lung n his voice changed, but other than that he seem to be doin fine
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But yo imagine if pac would have risen on the 13th instead of died.....or imagine if Afeni had not pulled the plug, they removed the lung, the bullet, and pac was artificially repaired like Vader or something...He would've been the biggest thing since Jesus Christ my dude