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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: ⠀ on April 24, 2021, 04:10:33 AM
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Here's how The Snooper Dooper Challenge works:
You can use any material, released or unreleased, from his entire discography (except Doggstyle) to compile one 21 track "album" that you feel is on par with his debut. Lets see you put your MP3s where your Stan like tendencies is to see if reality matches up to the hype.
No playlist, youtube links or text. We're talking about straight audio here so compile, upload a ZIP and drop a link.
I'll personally listen to each mix and give you a real, no chill perspective on what you picked. Here's something to think about:
Doggfather was universally panned as an astronomical fall off compared to Doggstyle but in retrospect its one of Snoops best, most cohesive and creative projects. An album that whilst not as catchy or memorable as his debut is still miles ahead of anything he made since.
With that said, on with The Snooper Dooper Challenge. Get your computers putin...
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i'm down wit it.
i'm postin' some soon.
I'm not saying it would be better or as good as Doggystyle but a dope album. Trying to mix every Snoop era and not putting 4/5 tracks from Eastsidaz or DoggFather or Last Meal.
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https://www55.zippyshare.com/v/ZoDMNn12/file.html
Here it is. Tell me what u think of it. I'm thinkin' of makin' one with all the Welcome 2 Tha Chuuch mixtape
8) 8)
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Downloading now, will let it spin from end to end like the old album experience and share my thoughts.
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OG, that was quite good. First off the album was well sequenced as the tracks flowed nicely into one another which adds to the experience.
Death Row Snoop is so far ahead of the other eras and this compilation shows that, Too High, 21 Jumpstreet and Midnight Love flow so well but the drop off when Show Me Love kicks in is so evident. In terms of production, mixing, his lyrics, flow - all of it.
One thing I did notice from this is that Snoop definitely needs someone to keep him in check. His DR stuff is much tighter because it had to be, Suge was finna unleash a Joe Jackson ass whipping for dropping wack bars and the further you get into his releases the looser and looser Snooper gets. Overall I'd say I still stick to my opinion that Snoop has never managed to find as good a stylistic fit as he did with DR. Just realized that Snoop is similar to Camron in that sense whose fall off after the Roc was legendary but people keep him around for entertainment and his early impact on the game. Just like Snoop its obvious Cam is cheap in the studio with low quality mics, mixing and beats.
Comparing this to Doggfather I'd say that was a better album which speaks volumes about the quality of Snoops output between 96 and now. Would you agree or disagree with that?
Who's next on the Snooper Dooper Challenge? 21 tracks of your choice taken from anywhere but Doggystyle...
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Thanks man.
Yeah Snoop need someone to manage him. He can't stay focus on a full project. His beats selection is awful lately... malice n wonderland, coolaid, neva left, from da street... but i respect his choice... he had nothing to prove.
Snoop is a OG in da game.
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The problem with The Doggfather wasn't just it being a disappointing follow up to Doggystyle, it was a pretty mediocre album overall, expect for like 4-5 great songs and it's definitely not an example of a tight album. Snoop has several albums much better than that.
But yeah, he needs somebody to keep him in check, and nobody does it better than Dre. Every time Dre's overseeing Snoop's project, the result we get is good/great as evident by Doggystyle/Murder Was The Case/ Dogg Food, Tha Last Meal and The Blue Carpet Treatment
So, ok, here's the compilation. I've excluded all of his DR post-Doggystyle tracks cause it didn't seem fair to me to include those.
(https://i.ibb.co/8gsWK7C/snoop.png)
https://www68.zippyshare.com/v/QxdZ73KX/file.html
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No doubt, Snoop likes to include 21 tracks so he can give props but that doesn't mean he always picks the best 21. Doggfather is a great example of that as he left some of his strongest tracks on the cutting room floor and had that album been retooled it would've been less of a flop.
Even with Dre around I don't think Snoop could've topped Doggystyle, in fact having Dre around would've made it worse because you know how he is when it comes to performance anxiety and following up a smash so either way he was going to fall off. Just didn't think he'd do it so consistently.
There was a great thread on here once about Doggfather and the incarnations it went through and it truly was a baffling process to look inside Snoops mind. Decades later and many questionable career choices later it shows that he is consistent if nothing less. I do get the feeling he's like one of those old hippy types that have smoked their brains out when it comes to logic, direction and purpose so they just mooch around living off old glories.
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Wooo, this is pretty hot. Once again excellent track order and not having that obvious quality shift between DR and the rest makes it coherent and this allows me to compare each song to the other more fairly on its own merits. The opening into into Bang Out is woooo, had my head nodding like that kid with Beats headphones.
One thing I did notice is that either Snoop was very vicious with the pen on DR or whoever he had ghosting for him (DOC?) didn't leave the label with him as the lyrics on most of these songs isn't in rewind and listen again territory. Speaking of lyrics, man Snoop really talks about a whole load of nothing but makes it sound quite fly with his flow. Loads of the songs are about exactly the same tropes. Dre is also guilty of that and whilst Pac did the whole Hennnnnessseeeeyyyyyyy and eneeeeeemmmieeeeesssss with the occasional eellleemmmennnntaarrry and pennnnitentiiaaarryyyy he at lost spoke on a diverse range of topics and perspectives.
Snoop is just a rich weed smoker super crip slash part time pimp and literally every single one of his songs has a sprinkle of some or all of these memes in there.
Back to the album, ending with Y'all Gone Miss Me. Woooo! The beat and hook alone make this song a banger and when it dropped as a leak way back when I remember thinking "Yep, Snoop is right" as he hadn't done quite as much silly sell out ish yet. I just don't get why talented people would just half ass it and throw out lazy tracks when you could make something so much better but then with Snoop its always been about the quick flip for whoever cuts the fattest check.
Think I'll have to listen to Blue Carpet as it seems there are some bangers on there. Was it seen as a return to form round here?
Whose next with the Snooper Dooper Challenge. Step left up. Yeah that's the G side.
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The problem with The Doggfather wasn't just it being a disappointing follow up to Doggystyle, it was a pretty mediocre album overall, expect for like 4-5 great songs and it's definitely not an example of a tight album. Snoop has several albums much better than that.
But yeah, he needs somebody to keep him in check, and nobody does it better than Dre. Every time Dre's overseeing Snoop's project, the result we get is good/great as evident by Doggystyle/Murder Was The Case/ Dogg Food, Tha Last Meal and The Blue Carpet Treatment
So, ok, here's the compilation. I've excluded all of his DR post-Doggystyle tracks cause it didn't seem fair to me to include those.
(https://i.ibb.co/8gsWK7C/snoop.png)
https://www68.zippyshare.com/v/QxdZ73KX/file.html
U have to put the Nate Dogg version of Boss Life homie.
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U have to put the Nate Dogg version of Boss Life homie.
Lmao bruh I totally did! His version is in the file, but I took a screenshot before I replaced Akon version with his ;D
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No doubt, Snoop likes to include 21 tracks so he can give props but that doesn't mean he always picks the best 21. Doggfather is a great example of that as he left some of his strongest tracks on the cutting room floor and had that album been retooled it would've been less of a flop.
Even with Dre around I don't think Snoop could've topped Doggystyle, in fact having Dre around would've made it worse because you know how he is when it comes to performance anxiety and following up a smash so either way he was going to fall off. Just didn't think he'd do it so consistently.
There was a great thread on here once about Doggfather and the incarnations it went through and it truly was a baffling process to look inside Snoops mind. Decades later and many questionable career choices later it shows that he is consistent if nothing less. I do get the feeling he's like one of those old hippy types that have smoked their brains out when it comes to logic, direction and purpose so they just mooch around living off old glories.
Absolutely. All of his 21 track albums have the same problem - one half is crazy, the other one wack or mediocre. Doggfather could've been a decent follow up to his debut had it been cut to about 14 tracks with all the wack shit left out and some new tracks added, such as Street Life.
There was a great thread on here once about Doggfather and the incarnations it went through and it truly was a baffling process to look inside Snoops mind. Decades later and many questionable career choices later it shows that he is consistent if nothing less. I do get the feeling he's like one of those old hippy types that have smoked their brains out when it comes to logic, direction and purpose so they just mooch around living off old glories.
Yo that would be a good read, any idea if the thread still up?
Wooo, this is pretty hot. Once again excellent track order and not having that obvious quality shift between DR and the rest makes it coherent and this allows me to compare each song to the other more fairly on its own merits. The opening into into Bang Out is woooo, had my head nodding like that kid with Beats headphones.
Back to the album, ending with Y'all Gone Miss Me. Woooo! The beat and hook alone make this song a banger and when it dropped as a leak way back when I remember thinking "Yep, Snoop is right" as he hadn't done quite as much silly sell out ish yet. I just don't get why talented people would just half ass it and throw out lazy tracks when you could make something so much better but then with Snoop its always been about the quick flip for whoever cuts the fattest check.
Think I'll have to listen to Blue Carpet as it seems there are some bangers on there. Was it seen as a return to form round here?
Glad you liked it.
Yeah, you should definitely check out The Blue Carpet, definitely one of his stronger ones and just a good album overall. Though it still suffers from that very same problem, the first half is mostly dope, the second one is filled with tracks like Beat Up on Yo Pads, when he could've used tracks like Wanna Be's with Nate instead of that smh...
But at least he was smart enough to include Imagine, that record really helped the album.
And I would also recommend to give Tha Last Meal a relisten. While it's a No Limit release, it sounds nothing like a No Limit record (thank to Dre I guess, who mixed like 70% of the album and overseen the whole thing) except for Back Up Off Me.
And records like these is what I meant by saying he needs Dre to guide him. Obviously he's not gonna top Doggystyle even with his help (but let's be honest, not many rappers can), but he totally capable of delivering a strong album with right people on his side. But it feels like at this point, he just doesn't care anymore.
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dope thread .. some nice submissions thus far
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Evolution of Doggfather:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php/topic,293987.0.html
Note that sissy ass Snoop didn't put his slick talk at Pac track Snoops Upside Your Head till after his man was dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOU4qk4rv7Y
Probably ain't wanna get punched in his stomach again and do another impromptu rendition of "So Many Tears" as he did a sad lil crip walk. Don't lie. You know you visualized it perfectly.
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Nice thread.
I like everything in it ; Snoop, the idea and the rules. However I'm quite disappointed in the 2 traclists that have been compiled ; too many not-good-enough songs I would not select.
And I think it's a bad move to start or finish this experience with songs that have already started or finished some of his albums.
I shall give my link and tracklist. But I'm afraid of disappointing myself and the users of this thread.
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The aim is to compile something equal to Doggystyle ideally. Something with that level of range and quality that showcases the entire artist we used to know as Snoop Doggy Dogg. Everyone has their own tastes as to what constitutes that but we can all agree his debut was a classic, pretty much a flawless album.
Now that I've listened to a few jams here and there I'm going to make my own take on the Snooper Dooper Challenge and I'm certain it will blow your minds.
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Fantastic thread 8) will post my own this weekend 🔥
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Here it is, the greatest sophomore album Snoop never made:
01 Next Episode (Intro)
02 Eat a Dick
03 That Was Then feat. Big Pimpin', OFTB & Kurupt Tha Kingpin
04 Got to Do Wrong
05 The Root of All Evil feat. Teena Marie
06 Haven't You Heard
07 The Genie feat. Bad Azz & Bo Rock
08 Only Move For The Money feat. 2Pac
09 Dogg Collar feat. Lady V, K.V., Big Pimpin', 6'9_, Twin, Badass
10 Head Doctor
11 May I
12 21 Jumpstreet
13 Niggaz Iz Lyke That feat. Chocolate, CPO & Tre' Deuce
14 Quite Obvious feat. Rappin 4 Tay
15 Get In 2 This feat Charlie Wilson
16 If There's a Cure feat. 2Pac
17 Doggystyle feat. George Clinton & Jewell
18 Medley For A V
19 Midnight Love
20 No More Games feat. Nate Dogg & Prince Ital Joe
21 Smoke On
https://gofile.io/d/bJqDC0
I stuck to 93-97 tracks from a variety of places as this was Snoop at his best and definitely his prime in terms of flow, lyrics and beats. To me this is Snoops best album that isn't Doggystyle and its almost on par with that as I went with a very similar kind of style and sequencing. Enjoy.
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Why can't I make a Spotify playlist?
I don't get the rules
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Because we're stuck in 96 and Spotify doesn't exist here.
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Here it is, the greatest sophomore album Snoop never made:
01 Next Episode (Intro)
02 Eat a Dick
03 That Was Then feat. Big Pimpin', OFTB & Kurupt Tha Kingpin
04 Got to Do Wrong
05 The Root of All Evil feat. Teena Marie
06 Haven't You Heard
07 The Genie feat. Bad Azz & Bo Rock
08 Only Move For The Money feat. 2Pac
09 Dogg Collar feat. Lady V, K.V., Big Pimpin', 6'9_, Twin, Badass
10 Head Doctor
11 May I
12 21 Jumpstreet
13 Niggaz Iz Lyke That feat. Chocolate, CPO & Tre' Deuce
14 Quite Obvious feat. Rappin 4 Tay
15 Get In 2 This feat Charlie Wilson
16 If There's a Cure feat. 2Pac
17 Doggystyle feat. George Clinton & Jewell
18 Medley For A V
19 Midnight Love
20 No More Games feat. Nate Dogg & Prince Ital Joe
21 Smoke On
https://gofile.io/d/bJqDC0
I stuck to 93-97 tracks from a variety of places as this was Snoop at his best and definitely his prime in terms of flow, lyrics and beats. To me this is Snoops best album that isn't Doggystyle and its almost on par with that as I went with a very similar kind of style and sequencing. Enjoy.
Did you just take every Death Row snoop track that wasn’t on Doggystyle or Doggfather and make an album? You really think ‘Eat a Dick’ and ‘Root of All Evil’ are some of the best tracks from that era? They sound so unfinished. I know we all have our own opinions but i think the others were a little more creative and put more thought into their tracklists. But props for the idea of the challenge.
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1.doggystyle ft. george clinton & jewell
2.every single day ft. kurupt, nate dogg, & jewell
3.OG ft. nate dogg
4.nuthin but a g thang ft. dr. dre
5.bitch please part 1 ft. xzibit & nate dogg
6.just dippin ft. dr. dre
7.next episode part 1 ft. dr. dre
8.lil ghetto boy ft. dr. dre
9.deep cover ft. dr. dre
10.lay low ft. eastsidaz, nate dogg, butch cassidy & master p
11.boss life ft. nate dogg
12.fuck you ft. dr. dre & devin the dude
13.hen n budda ft. kokane
14.fuck wit dre day ft. dr. dre
15.bitch please 2 ft. eminem, xzibit, dr. dre, & nate dogg
16.chin check ft. nwa
17.next episode part 2 ft. dr. dre & nate dogg
18.imagine ft. dr. dre & dangelo
notice a common theme?
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PRODUCED BY DR. DRE
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O.G isn t produced by Daz ?
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Why can't I make a Spotify playlist?
I don't get the rules
also some of us dont use spotify. and if you want to deliver an accurate project, probably some songs can't be found on spotify i guess.
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1.doggystyle ft. george clinton & jewell
2.every single day ft. kurupt, nate dogg, & jewell
3.OG ft. nate dogg
4.nuthin but a g thang ft. dr. dre
5.bitch please part 1 ft. xzibit & nate dogg
6.just dippin ft. dr. dre
7.next episode part 1 ft. dr. dre
8.lil ghetto boy ft. dr. dre
9.deep cover ft. dr. dre
10.lay low ft. eastsidaz, nate dogg, butch cassidy & master p
11.boss life ft. nate dogg
12.fuck you ft. dr. dre & devin the dude
13.hen n budda ft. kokane
14.fuck wit dre day ft. dr. dre
15.bitch please 2 ft. eminem, xzibit, dr. dre, & nate dogg
16.chin check ft. nwa
17.next episode part 2 ft. dr. dre & nate dogg
18.imagine ft. dr. dre & dangelo
notice a common theme?
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PRODUCED BY DR. DRE
Awesome. Now this is a good tracklist. Best one I’ve seen so far.
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O.G isn t produced by Daz ?
nope
lost sessions credits it to dre ... and we all knew it was dre beforehand. dre was ghost producing for daz in them
days.
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nope
lost sessions credits it to dre ... and we all knew it was dre beforehand. dre was ghost producing for daz in them
days.
You re wrong Sccit
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And its not sounding like a dre production at all.
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You re wrong Sccit
(https://i.ibb.co/jrGPTg8/20210502-215951.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3CW97BT)
And its not sounding like a dre production at all.
strange, wiki has it under dre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Row:_The_Lost_Sessions_Vol._1
while it doesn’t sound like a typical dre beat it is produced much better than any solo daz work and i do think dre had his hand in pretty much everything death row during that era
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strange, wiki has it under dre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Row:_The_Lost_Sessions_Vol._1
while it doesn’t sound like a typical dre beat it is produced much better than any solo daz work and i do think dre had his hand in pretty much everything death row during that era
if you listen to Original Version u can hear same string melody used in aint no fun. that belongs to dre. also synth bass definately sounds like dre. i think its a demo daz beat that dre was trying to mix and develop. but he wasnt satisfied with it and left it. daz finished it alone and removed strings and synth bass which belongs to dre. he remade the beat.
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wiki is not a good source. anybody can edit it.
i advice you discogs.
here is the real credits for lost session album. and it says its produced by daz dillinger. but it definately has dre fingerprints on it.
https://www.discogs.com/Snoop-Doggy-Dogg-Death-Row-The-Lost-Sessions-Vol-1/release/2145540
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Did Dre really produced Ain t no fun?
It s still the same question. Dre put the final touch and everybody says "Produced by Dr. Dre".
U said
" hear same string melody used in aint no fun. that belongs to dre ... also synth bass definately sounds like dre ... daz finished it alone and removed strings and synth bass which belongs to dre" so if Daz remove dre's strings & synth bass & remade those parts himself thats a Daz Production. If it was dre doing what daz did yall saying Dre is a beast he re did that shit and take it on a another level...
If dre has fingerprints on it it don t mean dre produced it. Thats my point.
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Did Dre really produced Ain t no fun?
It s still the same question. Dre put the final touch and everybody says "Produced by Dr. Dre".
U said
" hear same string melody used in aint no fun. that belongs to dre ... also synth bass definately sounds like dre ... daz finished it alone and removed strings and synth bass which belongs to dre" so if Daz remove dre's strings & synth bass & remade those parts himself thats a Daz Production. If it was dre doing what daz did yall saying Dre is a beast he re did that shit and take it on a another level...
If dre has fingerprints on it it don t mean dre produced it. Thats my point.
but dre is a producer tho ..
that’s what the definition of a producer is.. he turns solid beats into gems wit his overall ability to properly layer, structure, and decide what stays n what goes while sonically fine tuning it to perfection... that’s why daz hasn’t been able to replicate this level of production since leavin death row.. yet dre been done it again n again wit countless individuals who haven’t reached anywhere close to his level witout him.
and this is before we go into the details of production (coaching the vocalists through the session, deciding how to build the song, and basically bein the end all be all of whatever he touches)
if u listen to these beats before dre touched them, they’re damn near unrecognizable..
long story short, dre goes above n beyond the lengths that your typical beatmaker goes to when producing a song. and that is what makes him the goat + why my tracklist kills every1 elses.
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Did Dre really produced Ain t no fun?
It s still the same question. Dre put the final touch and everybody says "Produced by Dr. Dre".
U said
" hear same string melody used in aint no fun. that belongs to dre ... also synth bass definately sounds like dre ... daz finished it alone and removed strings and synth bass which belongs to dre" so if Daz remove dre's strings & synth bass & remade those parts himself thats a Daz Production. If it was dre doing what daz did yall saying Dre is a beast he re did that shit and take it on a another level...
If dre has fingerprints on it it don t mean dre produced it. Thats my point.
if you listen to aint no fun og version and the album version you can understand what dre does. he added strings, synths, female vocals and a proper mix. thats called a production.
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i'm hearing what u say. I can understand it without a doubt even i prefer "produced by & co produced by" ;D
back to the topic Sccit my tracklist is better. ;D ;D
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i'm hearing what u say. I can understand it without a doubt even i prefer "produced by & co produced by" ;D
back to the topic Sccit my tracklist is better. ;D ;D
make a thread n put it to a poll!
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Here is the Real Doggfather Album!! I only gave 20 songs, worth it though.. I dont believe ANYONE had a track list like this one. Enjoy
1. May I Intro
2. Gangstaz Life
3. Got To Do Wrong
4. Touchdown
5. Definition Of A Homeboy
6. The Genie
7. 21st Street
8. Head Doctor
9. Pop Bloccin
10. Dogg Collar
11. Dat Bumpin
12. County Blues
13. Usual Suspect
14. O.g
15. Untouchables
16. Eastsiderz
17. Some Other Shit
18. Street Life
19. Eastside
20. Doggystyle 96'
This is the Doggfather we all should have gotten
https://www.mediafire.com/file/y2nlw616esbuflg/The+Untouchable+Doggfather.zip/file
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Here is the Real Doggfather Album!! I only gave 20 songs, worth it though.. I dont believe ANYONE had a track list like this one. Enjoy
1. May I Intro
2. Gangstaz Life
3. Got To Do Wrong
4. Touchdown
5. Definition Of A Homeboy
6. The Genie
7. 21st Street
8. Head Doctor
9. Pop Bloccin
10. Dogg Collar
11. Dat Bumpin
12. County Blues
13. Usual Suspect
14. O.g
15. Untouchables
16. Eastsiderz
17. Some Other Shit
18. Street Life
19. Eastside
20. Doggystyle 96'
This is the Doggfather we all should have gotten
https://www.mediafire.com/file/y2nlw616esbuflg/The+Untouchable+Doggfather.zip/file
Missing many songs in your zip file.
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wiki is not a good source. anybody can edit it.
so do discogs...
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This should work, thanks for the heads up homie.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/rkv3q1ejlqdfv/Snoop_Doggy_Dogg_-_Tha_Doggfather
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This should work, thanks for the heads up homie.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/rkv3q1ejlqdfv/Snoop_Doggy_Dogg_-_Tha_Doggfather
Up it as a Zip, not separate files because MF is not letting some of them download.
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This is a pretty cool post. Other than Snoop Lion, it's hard to come up with much after the last meal advance.