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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: Sccit on February 08, 2022, 12:10:07 AM
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I'm sure I read somewhere that the beat was meant for King Tee's Thy Kingdom Come album?
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Dres beats are for anyone really. The ones he likes best he keeps for himself and doesn't share but the rest are just lying around. 50 got his beats by going through old premix DATs and picking them out like that whereas Bishop was actually getting beats made tailored specifically for him which were built from the ground up around concepts.
Darn shame how that played out but you can see why Bish was pissed after recording 700 tracks and have Dre be like "That ain't it". You can tell Dre was banking on him as well in terms of longevity/marquee star to replace 50 as he never fw him like that, that was Ems act so he was once removed but looked after indirectly. Thats why the mixing on his albums always sucked as he got leftover unfinished beats that weren't given that extra polish.
Bishop I think could've changed the entire direction of rap if Dre hadn't done him like that and you all wouldn't be siting here waiting for a West comeback as he would've took the game in a far more cerebral direction and bought real MC skills back to the spotlight on Aftermath in that era.
Thanks Dre!
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Dres beats are for anyone really. The ones he likes best he keeps for himself and doesn't share but the rest are just lying around. 50 got his beats by going through old premix DATs and picking them out like that whereas Bishop was actually getting beats made tailored specifically for him which were built from the ground up around concepts.
Darn shame how that played out but you can see why Bish was pissed after recording 700 tracks and have Dre be like "That ain't it". You can tell Dre was banking on him as well in terms of longevity/marquee star to replace 50 as he never fw him like that, that was Ems act so he was once removed but looked after indirectly. Thats why the mixing on his albums always sucked as he got leftover unfinished beats that weren't given that extra polish.
Bishop I think could've changed the entire direction of rap if Dre hadn't done him like that and you all wouldn't be siting here waiting for a West comeback as he would've took the game in a far more cerebral direction and bought real MC skills back to the spotlight on Aftermath in that era.
Thanks Dre!
bishop is dope but he lacks the star power to make a splash
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I'm sure I read somewhere that the beat was meant for King Tee's Thy Kingdom Come album?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZuDzdJst3j/?utm_medium=copy_link
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bishop is dope but he lacks the star power to make a splash
A reasonable take but then you could say the same about Jay Z and he finessed himself into the position of defacto rap don whilst being an awkward, rhyme biting, swagger jacking introvert.
At least Bishop had charisma and that Dre cosign could've took him places. After all Snooper Dooper could barely perform on camera during G Thang etc.. and then eventually opened up. Same with Bishop. Using his mixtapes and loosies you could whip up at least 3 full LPs that would've been hailed as classics if dropping in mid 00s as intended.
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Dre hasn't been the same ever since he gave on up on Bishop. It's like he worked too much on that project and got burnt out forever afterwards. Some of those beats were nasty. Such a shame.
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A reasonable take but then you could say the same about Jay Z and he finessed himself into the position of defacto rap don whilst being an awkward, rhyme biting, swagger jacking introvert.
At least Bishop had charisma and that Dre cosign could've took him places. After all Snooper Dooper could barely perform on camera during G Thang etc.. and then eventually opened up. Same with Bishop. Using his mixtapes and loosies you could whip up at least 3 full LPs that would've been hailed as classics if dropping in mid 00s as intended.
i get what you’re sayin but i don’t feel like bishop really had anything about him that stood out .. jay-z, for as much of a biter and awkward swagger jacker he was, had that signature voice that you couldn’t really mistake
bishop blends in a lil too much if we keepin it a buck
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i get what you’re sayin but i don’t feel like bishop really had anything about him that stood out .. jay-z, for as much of a biter and awkward swagger jacker he was, had that signature voice that you couldn’t really mistake
bishop blends in a lil too much if we keepin it a buck
Absolutely agree. Bishop was never going to become a star like Snoop, Em, Game, K. Dot. He is/was just too boring. He probably would have been better off writing for other people. Same goes for SixTwo. Even though I liked his flow, he just didn't have that 'it' factor. The one that I thought Dre could have invested more in was Hittman.
Jay-Z happen to slide into a huge void that NY was looking for after BIG died. It was just a case of timing and producers giving him fire beats as singles.
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Absolutely agree. Bishop was never going to become a star like Snoop, Em, Game, K. Dot. He is/was just too boring. He probably would have been better off writing for other people. Same goes for SixTwo. Even though I liked his flow, he just didn't have that 'it' factor. The one that I thought Dre could have invested more in was Hittman.
Jay-Z happen to slide into a huge void that NY was looking for after BIG died. It was just a case of timing and producers giving him fire beats as singles.
HITTMAN SHOULDA DROPPED, BUT EVEN HIM, I SEE MORE AS IN THAT MC REN ROLE AS OPPOSED TO GLOBAL SOLO ACT
KNOC IS THE ONE WHO HAD STAR POWER N LET IT SLIP
BUT TBH, KNOC WAS NEVER REALLY THE BEST RAPPER.. HE JUST HAD THE VOICE, IMAGE, AND ORIGINALITY
MAYBE KNOC WITH BISHOP WRITING FOR HIM IS THE ANSWER
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great convo in this threat. i agree with the guy with no name on a lot of this with bishop
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Knoc and hittman were doper than Bishop but back to the topic LL really fucked that one up. How can you say a Dre beat just not sounding right. He probably means his vocals not sounding right
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bishop is dope but he lacks the star power to make a splash
Yeah, he was nice with the pen, had a cool voice, but could never get the traction. I think he would have been more successful as Dre's ghostwriter. A Dre version of Grow Up would have made more sense.
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Bishops mixtapes are fire till this day. I dont know why he aint big superstar. He got charisma, flows, club bangers, deep tracks, lyrical tracks, strip club bangers, club bangers, ladys track etc. Truth be told, that time was wierd time in gil hop. He just didnt fit.
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Yep. He was a 90s rapper in the mid 00s without the previous following to match and Dre didn't give him a chance.
I think he was one of the best the West had ever seen in terms of depth as he wasn't a flat 2D cartoon rapper loaded with cliches and predictability and his catalogue is still very replayable. Leagues above Knoc, Hitmann and the rest of those in the running as he had everything needed to be a top flight MC, could create catchy hooks and had a perfect ear for beats and the flow to use on em.
With the right push and marketing, especially with Dre signing off, he could've been huge. Sorta like a semi conscious backpack gangbanger lane like a proto Kanye as he loved being controversial too.
Personally I think he was too pro Black/politically conscious which he liberally sprinkled over the ignorance and buffoonery ala Pac and Iovine is the one who killed his career because its obvious Dre was fucking with him. No Bruce.
Simply too much talent to not be recognized and he could've single-handedly took rap in a whole nother direction by making witty lyrics/concepts and skills come back at a point when rap was starting to fall off. Like I said thats why it makes sense that Iovine is the reason he was benched because he represents the interests of keeping people in low vibration state of mind and there was obviously a lot of militancy in Bishop as opposed to 50 who was all about the money and would sell whatever image they wanted and Iovine still got him out the paint after using him to increase the murder rate. See Rakim who wouldn't switch up either. Game did so they pushed him.
Aftermath was founded on uplifting but found that noise sells more so went that path but only from rappers who really ain't bought it because Pac still haunts Jimmy to this day.
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I agree with what others have said about Bishop Lamont in this thread. It is a shame he never really blew up like Dre's previous protégés, and if the Detox album did come out when it was meant to it would obviously have given him a big push but when it comes down to it Dre obviously didn't think he had the potential to be a megastar and sell tons of records.
It was a strange time in rap when he was coming up though, there were a few years when there was no new big rapper to emerge on the scene, music sales were declining a lot and there was no streaming platforms like there are available today, none of which would have helped an up-and-coming artist.
Back to the topic though, can anyone actually imagine LL Cool J over the Xxplosive beat? I'm glad it never went to him.
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"They call him big L'ly" type lyrics no doubt. That was an extra L for LL when he dropped that wack ass verse that was obviously written for Will Smith who didn't want it. LLL Cool J for real.
Bishop was definitely the greatest casualty of Detox not dropping 20 years ago because that would've been his push that introduced him to the world.
Wonder what he ghosted for Dre during that time?
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the overrating of bishop lamont in this thread is trippin me out
again, don’t get me wrong, i think he’s a dope emcee .. but he just doesn’t stand out from a pop culture perspective. for instance, if they played a song of his on the radio, most people wouldn’t be able to differentiate his voice from your average rapper
you couldn’t say the same bout snoop, xzibit, em, 50….they have voices that were instantly identifiable
bishop has the most standard voice.. no separation in that department
dre saw that, which is why he was basically just using him as a writer.
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That tempo damn sure didn't fit LL's style at all. If not Dre, then I would've liked King T's song over that beat to be released. As far as Bishop, he was dope and me and the hommies used to ride around to his Aftermath era mixtapes, but his style wasn't for everybody and maybe that's why he didn't pop. That and rumors that he was kind of an asshole towards people at the label, the Grow Up song that he leaked against Dr. Dre's wishes, but the nail in the coffin (imo) was once Slimm Da Mobsta came and everyone around Dre like D.O.C. Em and 50 feeling Slimm, it was over for Bishop. Same thing y'all are saying for Bishop could be said for Jon Conner who to me is one of the dopest rappers Dre ever had over there but for some reason just didn't pan out.
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That tempo damn sure didn't fit LL's style at all. If not Dre, then I would've liked King T's song over that beat to be released. As far as Bishop, he was dope and me and the hommies used to ride around to his Aftermath era mixtapes, but his style wasn't for everybody and maybe that's why he didn't pop. That and rumors that he was kind of an asshole towards people at the label, the Grow Up song that he leaked against Dr. Dre's wishes, but the nail in the coffin (imo) was once Slimm Da Mobsta came and everyone around Dre like D.O.C. Em and 50 feeling Slimm, it was over for Bishop. Same thing y'all are saying for Bishop could be said for Jon Conner who to me is one of the dopest rappers Dre ever had over there but for some reason just didn't pan out.
jon connor = another dope emcee who never popped because the lack of star power and identifiable voice
actually, king mez was the rapper from the compton era i felt had star power, despite connor bein the better emcee
mez almost sounds like a rapper version of anderson paak
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Now, those people you mentioned are the epitome of forgettable, no skill having MCs which is why they came and went. Probably why you like them so much as wack recognize wack and thinks its dope.
Bish on the other hand, you need a thuggish ruggish intellect to appreciate his rhymes and style. Easily one of the best out of the West since Pac left and far in excess of your favorite MC in pretty much every category you could choose (apart from probably voice, I'll give you that).
Speaking of voice, thats what made Pac Pac as his vocals just hit you in the chest. Matter of fact, lets thread that up real quick as I give your forum another stimulus package.
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Now, those people you mentioned are the epitome of forgettable, no skill having MCs which is why they came and went. Probably why you like them so much as wack recognize wack and thinks its dope.
Bish on the other hand, you need a thuggish ruggish intellect to appreciate his rhymes and style. Easily one of the best out of the West since Pac left and far in excess of your favorite MC in pretty much every category you could choose (apart from probably voice, I'll give you that).
Speaking of voice, thats what made Pac Pac as his vocals just hit you in the chest. Matter of fact, lets thread that up real quick as I give your forum another stimulus package.
i didn’t even say i like them u idiot
i said they have more star power .. u don’t even have the mental capacity to understand what i’m saying
“durrrr u like them more?! because you are whack like them!!!”
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being a good emcee doesn’t always translate to bein a megastar
get out your feelings n off bishop nuts .. even a funny mormon like u should know that some of the biggest acts ever in hip-hop have lacked any real emcee skills.