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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: abusive on August 09, 2024, 05:14:54 AM
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5S-pPK7WWs
Dr. Dre is often regarded to be one of the greatest producers of all time. Throughout his career, he’s had many different proteges. Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent, Eminem, The Game, and Kendrick Lamar are the more notable ones. Though these people are the most known and went on to achieve massive success others didn’t reach those heights under the tutelage of Dr. Dre.
Bishop Lamont, Jon Connor, Knocturnal, Truth Hurts, and Stat Quo are just some names that never really broke through while they were signed to Dr. Dre’s Aftermath Records. They each have their own stories on the behind-the-scenes situations that affected their career but the most intriguing story in my opinion is what happened to Hitmann.
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Yeah I listened to this and it said he has a 9-5 at Guitar World. That would be dope to walk into guitar world and have Hittman ring you up.
But it was contradictory because it also said something like he's been eating and collecting millions off of Royalties from Dre's second album all these years especially his writing credits on the Next Episode.
So I'd be curious if he blew his money, because it ain't Dre's fault if artists don't know how to save their money.
Ben Baller had some interesting stuff on the VLAD interview. He was really tight with Hittman. He was like Hittman's DJ or something which I don't think Hittman was doing any shows, so I don't know what that means. But anyway Ben Baller was definitely a part of Aftermath from the very earliest days when they were still under the name Black Market Records (before Brother Lynch Hung denied them access to that name).
Ben was upset at Dre for not paying Hittman more. I think Dre did more for Hittman than anybody in Hittman's life how can you be mad at Dre? Hittman had 9 songs on 2001 and yet failed to make an impression with music buyers. I think the average fan probably doesn't even remember him but they definitely remember Xzibit on "What's The Difference". Hittman was originally on that song but failed to make a strong impact.
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Yeah I listened to this and it said he has a 9-5 at Guitar World. That would be dope to walk into guitar world and have Hittman ring you up.
But it was contradictory because it also said something like he's been eating and collecting millions off of Royalties from Dre's second album all these years especially his writing credits on the Next Episode.
So I'd be curious if he blew his money, because it ain't Dre's fault if artists don't know how to save their money.
Ben Baller had some interesting stuff on the VLAD interview. He was really tight with Hittman. He was like Hittman's DJ or something which I don't think Hittman was doing any shows, so I don't know what that means. But anyway Ben Baller was definitely a part of Aftermath from the very earliest days when they were still under the name Black Market Records (before Brother Lynch Hung denied them access to that name).
Ben was upset at Dre for not paying Hittman more. I think Dre did more for Hittman than anybody in Hittman's life how can you be mad at Dre? Hittman had 9 songs on 2001 and yet failed to make an impression with music buyers. I think the average fan probably doesn't even remember him but they definitely remember Xzibit on "What's The Difference". Hittman was originally on that song but failed to make a strong impact.
The D.O.C. had the same complaint.
The sources for the video are on the YT page.
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That Freestyle Hittman did (link was in the video discerption) is one of the best I've heard!!!! I know its old, but I must of missed that one.
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The D.O.C. had the same complaint.
The sources for the video are on the YT page.
You mean the DOC complained about Hittman? or the DOC complained about Dre.
(I didn't find a link source for the DOC video talking about Hittman on the Youtube page)
...I feel more sympathy for cats like King Tee. Because they might have spent a couple years working on a project and recorded a lot of bangers and then Dre just puts their shit on the shelf and it may never came out. By the way, how were those Raekwon Dre produced joints? Cause Dre like gave away Raekwon's work back to him for like free and gave him money and more than most labels would when they let an artist go.
...Also some of these cats got advances. So it might be Dre that actually took the loss and they could've been advanced a couple hundred thousand which is more money than I've ever seen in my life.
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You mean the DOC complained about Hittman? or the DOC complained about Dre.
(I didn't find a link source for the DOC video talking about Hittman on the Youtube page)
...I feel more sympathy for cats like King Tee. Because they might have spent a couple years working on a project and recorded a lot of bangers and then Dre just puts their shit on the shelf and it may never came out. By the way, how were those Raekwon Dre produced joints? Cause Dre like gave away Raekwon's work back to him for like free and gave him money and more than most labels would when they let an artist go.
...Also some of these cats got advances. So it might be Dre that actually took the loss and they could've been advanced a couple hundred thousand which is more money than I've ever seen in my life.
The DOC complained about money from Dre.
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I liked Hittman so much on 2001. Still can't believe how they didn't manage to make him the next big thing.
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I liked Hittman so much on 2001. Still can't believe how they didn't manage to make him the next big thing.
I was a big fan...hence the user name. He had some good stuff leak, but looking back he just didn't have the "It" factor.
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I was a big fan...hence the user name. He had some good stuff leak, but looking back he just didn't have the "It" factor.
I remember the Last Dayz track after the forgot about dre video. That was dope.
But yea, he didnt have that memorable IT factor…
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The Murder Weapon was a classic
Hittman had that King T vocal tone and overall style
probably not super marketable in that era .. and that’s probably why it didn’t come out on Aftermath
but can’t deny the music
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Not all the info accurate because Knoc-turn'al was never signed to Aftermath. I'm surprised Hittman didn't blow. Not sure if true, but I remember reading Dre wanted to make his solo album sound like "2001" and Hittman wanted to go in a totally different direction.
Not sure if true.
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Not all the info accurate because Knoc-turn'al was never signed to Aftermath. I'm surprised Hittman didn't blow. Not sure if true, but I remember reading Dre wanted to make his solo album sound like "2001" and Hittman wanted to go in a totally different direction.
Not sure if true.
doubt that’s true
murder weapon was complete and did have the 2001 sound
just never ended up dropping on aftermath
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doubt that’s true
murder weapon was complete and did have the 2001 sound
just never ended up dropping on aftermath
Did we have a confirmed tracklist for Murder Weapon? I'd love to see what that looked like.
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Did we have a confirmed tracklist for Murder Weapon? I'd love to see what that looked like.
yea .. it ended up dropping with a different title
https://open.spotify.com/album/2pKygzZITdyevIKO48lC2j
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I never thought much of Hittman personally. But putting aside my own personal feelings towards him, he never had a chance. His first major exposure to mainstream audiences was 2001 and really all the conversation about that album was about Snoop, Eminem, and Xzibit. All of Hittman's contributions were basically ignored.
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Since when is running out of money and getting a job "tragic" ;D
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Since when is running out of money and getting a job "tragic" ;D
+1.
I thought hes dead...
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Whats up with hittman these days? Its right time to back in the game, to rade this wave from snoop and dre, and some nostalgic shit.
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doubt that’s true
murder weapon was complete and did have the 2001 sound
just never ended up dropping on aftermath
Come on homie, name three songs that have a 2001 sound other than the obvious "Last Days". I remember there was one nice joint with Knoc "Let Shit Go" or something like that but that's all I remember was "Last Dayz", one other dope one, and nothing after that. And even "Let Shit Go" I'm not sure the production really sounds like 2001. It sounds like something any producer could've done—not quite the Mel or Dre POP in the speakers. I know its unfinished and demo but still that 6'2" leaked shit bangs way harder.
And is Hittmanic verses the same thing as Murder Weapon? I had the Murder Weapon leak back when it first leaked but now on ITunes there's a Hittmanic verses but not sure if its the same
EDIT: Okay, "Bloww" has Dre on it and sounds a bit like 2001
EDIT: Okay, "Front Page" kind of has that 2001 sound but its nothing special
not sure these beats sound like 2001 Leftovers and if they are it's the bottom of the stash
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Come on homie, name three songs that have a 2001 sound other than the obvious "Last Days". I remember there was one nice joint with Knoc "Let Shit Go" or something like that but that's all I remember was "Last Dayz", one other dope one, and nothing after that. And even "Let Shit Go" I'm not sure the production really sounds like 2001. It sounds like something any producer could've done—not quite the Mel or Dre POP in the speakers. I know its unfinished and demo but still that 6'2" leaked shit bangs way harder.
And is Hittmanic verses the same thing as Murder Weapon? I had the Murder Weapon leak back when it first leaked but now on ITunes there's a Hittmanic verses but not sure if its the same
EDIT: Okay, "Bloww" has Dre on it and sounds a bit like 2001
EDIT: Okay, "Front Page" kind of has that 2001 sound but its nothing special
not sure these beats sound like 2001 Leftovers and if they are it's the bottom of the stash
lol you’re trippin .. hittman album shits on 6’2 album
get myne
the hiznit
last dayz
watch out
let shit go
blaow
ass
front page
it ain’t safe
ALL clearly have the 2001 sound
i’ll tell u just from knowing you.. you never really listened to murder weapon like that. and since u used to listen to 6’2 album regularly during a time in your life where u were more optimistic, u have a nostalgic attachment to it
but make no mistake, murder weapon is classic
the hittmanic verses album from 2005 is actually not the exact tracklist as murder weapon .. it does have 95% of the same tracks tho
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Hittman (Highly Intense Tongue Talents Make All Nervous) came out of no-where, murdered 11 Dre/Mel-Man beats on '2001' then vanished into the smoke. Like a real Hit-man.
“In these drastic surroundings, it be sounding like Lebanon / Making fools “Retreat!” like Megatron / And Starscream; oh yeah I scream on stars / That get loot then crossover like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.”
Hittman :: Hittmanic Verses (Deluxe)
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In an alternate timeline, Hittman is a household name. For many hip hop fans, he already is, thanks to his prominence on Dr. Dre’s “The Chronic 2001” – one of 1999’s biggest albums. Dre’s sophomore (because 1996’s “The Aftermath” was a compilation, it isn’t counted) cast any doubt aside over whether the Compton icon had lost his touch, continuing to sound incredible for a record that’s well over 20 years old. Masterfully engineered and thanks to a ridiculously deep cast of A-list artists, it sounds like the blockbuster moment it truly was. But amongst all the L.A. stalwarts, buzz-worthy emcees on the rise, and a certain Detroit wordsmith, a new name dominated Dre’s album more than any other – Hittman. With this much faith from the big Doctor, Hittman was destined to be a key artist on the Aftermath imprint.
So where did it all go wrong? There are a variety of factors that led to quite a few artists being promptly dropped by Dr. Dre, or left in limbo as albums never materialized. Between 1999 and 2005, Dre was arguably the most in-demand producer and was the executive producer on the following records:
Eminem’s “The Slim Shady LP” (1999)
Eminem’s “The Marshall Mathers LP” (2000)
Xzibit’s “Restless” (2000)
The Wash soundtrack (2001)
Truth Hurts’ “Truthfully Speaking” (2002)
Eminem’s “The Eminem Show” (2002)
Xzibit’s “Man vs. Machine” (2002)
50 Cent’s “Get Rich or Die Tryin'” (2003)
Eminem’s “Encore” (2004)
50 Cent’s “The Massacre” (2005)
The Game’s “The Documentary” (2005)
Amongst that heavyweight run, Truth Hurts was fortunate to see her album release, bolstered by the hit single “Addictive”. The list of artists dropped by Aftermath is now infamously long and for many, it has been a curse more than a blessing. Hittman is one of these names, going on record to state that Dre’s focus is precious and if he was busy, it was difficult to fulfill all the signees’ wishes to make music. The guy’s a perfectionist, and his production often exemplifies that vision of flawlessness.
“Hittmanic Verses” originally released in 2005, right at the end of that illustrious run of albums listed above. This deluxe edition dropped in 2018 and adds “We Come Through”, “Slam”, “Now (Demo)”, “My, My, My”, “Hott Damn”, “Lick Da Balls” and “West Coast Shit”. Interestingly, it removes “The Hiznit”, “Ass” and “It Ain’t Safe” – two of these have Dr. Dre involvement according to Discogs.
“Last Dayz” remains the highlight of Hittman’s post-”2001” run, with a hook that could have seen him on hip hop radio. It was the B-side to Dr. Dre and Eminem’s “Forgot About Dre” and even had a minute teaser at the end of the “Forgot About Dre” video.
Hittman’s humor runs throughout “Last Dayz” and it feels like it would have fit in snugly on “The Chronic 2001” – Lord knows some of them skits could have been dropped. There are numerous leftovers from these sessions – “Front Page” itself is full of recited moments from Hittman’s appearances on the Dr. Dre album, named after the line from “Light Speed”. With that, it lacks its own identity, actually sounding wildly off-topic thanks to Hittman never receiving the “front page stardom” he clearly was promised on Aftermath. Even the structure of the song is off, with Hitt stating “Let me introduce myself” on the second verse.
Dre’s fingerprints are all over “Blaaow!” and it’s vicious, with Dre kicking off the track with some eye-opening lines:
“If you didn’t help me go platinum or suck my dick, you’re useless
8 ball to the gall for y’all who thought that Gatorade was baller juices
Saw the Aftermath recruits, rivals labels wanna call truces
Try to stall us, send their harlots to seduce us
We composed of brawlers, ballers, emcees, producers
No losers allowed, don’t be confusing the style
Chronic 2000, here and now BLAAOOW!''
The fact “Chronic 2000” is frequently referenced means this was recorded before the album name had to be changed (Suge Knight released a Death Row compilation named “Chronic 2000” in May 1999).
Battlecat shows Hittman had chemistry with other producers on the West Coast and his flow blossoms on the slow G-funk of “Let Shit Go” alongside fellow Aftermath talent Knoc-Turn’al. Speaking of which, Truth Hurts returns on “Hott Damn” and it’s a solid addition. The beat is unique and has that smooth bass that lends Hittman a platform to be his ignorant best. I’ve always been a fan of Truth’s voice and while she does still make music, it’s a shame she’s not as prominent in the scene these days.
The songs added to the deluxe edition seem to be recently recorded, with references to old rappers and even Deontay Wilder. The problem with these tracks is that (to put it bluntly) they are bad. The quality of the recordings are all over the place, often quieter than the older songs and possessing low-budget instrumentals. “My, My, My” tries to capture the magic Hitt had with Dre but it’s much ado about nothing. “Slam” has some cheap-ass snares. The quality of the “Now (Demo)” is horrible and shouldn’t have been included because it’s barely audible.
“Hittmanic Verses” isn’t as terrible as the title of the record, but does sum up the content on show. These are largely verses tied together with vague themes, relying on a blend of shelved Dr. Dre productions and forgettable songs Hittman did in the years after he quickly lost relevance. The 2005 edition is actually a better record because it doesn’t have the recent tracks. Both versions are worth checking out regardless, but this is a compilation of loosies sewn together. An actual Hittman album produced by Dr. Dre will always be something few knew they wanted but many will have enjoyed, particularly in the year 2000.
What happened to Time-Bomb?
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Hittman (Highly Intense Tongue Talents Make All Nervous) came out of no-where, murdered 11 Dre/Mel-Man beats on '2001' then vanished into the smoke. Like a real Hit-man.
“In these drastic surroundings, it be sounding like Lebanon / Making fools “Retreat!” like Megatron / And Starscream; oh yeah I scream on stars / That get loot then crossover like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.”
What happened to Time-Bomb?
Last I remember was the song by LA Confidential: Lets All Roll.
Slip Capone, Time Bomb, Jayo Felony, Butch Cassidy. Still bumping it 20 years later.
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I’ve never spun the Hittman album in its entirety. Truthfully, his contributions to 2001 weren’t all that noteable somehow (aside from Big Ego’s). Almost every other guest outshined him (Snoop and Em obviously, but especially Devin the Dude and 6’2)
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I’ve never spun the Hittman album in its entirety. Truthfully, his contributions to 2001 weren’t all that noteable somehow (aside from Big Ego’s). Almost every other guest outshined him (Snoop and Em obviously, but especially Devin the Dude and 6’2)
we’re forgetting that Hittman actually wrote a lot of Dres stuff too
so his contributions were major .. and overall far more integral than someone like devin or 6’2
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we’re forgetting that Hittman actually wrote a lot of Dres stuff too
so his contributions were major .. and overall far more integral than someone like devin or 6’2
I know that he was a big piece of that album, I’m just saying his actual rapping wasn’t all that noteworthy. Like someone else said, his verse on What’s the Difference was nothing much, but Xzibit smashed that shit
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I know that he was a big piece of that album, I’m just saying his actual rapping wasn’t all that noteworthy. Like someone else said, his verse on What’s the Difference was nothing much, but Xzibit smashed that shit
well yea..
xzibit, snoop, em, devin etc are all bigger stars no doubt
i agree hittman lacks the it factor.. he doesn’t stand out enough
but just as a pure rapper, dude was raw af.. and his album was classic regardless
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Last I remember was the song by LA Confidential: Lets All Roll.
Slip Capone, Time Bomb, Jayo Felony, Butch Cassidy. Still bumping it 20 years later.
Let's All Roll is an absolute banger
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yea .. it ended up dropping with a different title
https://open.spotify.com/album/2pKygzZITdyevIKO48lC2j
Wow was gonna be 3 Knoc-turn'al features on here.
I never realized Hittmanic Verses was EXACTLY what the debut album was gonna be.
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Wow was gonna be 3 Knoc-turn'al features on here.
I never realized Hittmanic Verses was EXACTLY what the debut album was gonna be.
i think it’s about 90% the same
there’s a couple tracks replaced by a couple newer ones iirc
i just wana ride & west coast wasnt on the murder weapon leak
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This guy was able to be part of one of the best hip hop albums of all time. He wrote some great stuff for Dre, probably should have kept to ghostwriting.
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So I'm listening to Murda Weapon (Thanks to Tha Crip's thread above!) for first time in probably 15 years and my feelings on Hitt remain the same. He never had the "It" factor. In fact, he might be the least "It" factor Aftermath signee ever. I really don't know what Dre saw in him. This album would have been an absolute bomb if it had come out after 2001 and Dre was right to shelve it. I just hope for Hitt's sake he still gets some kind of residuals for his writing on 2001.
The only truly tragic Aftermath story, in my opinion, is Bishop Lamont. He had a ton of underground/internet hype before signing with Dre and then his career never recovered after leaving.
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So I'm listening to Murda Weapon (Thanks to Tha Crip's thread above!) for first time in probably 15 years and my feelings on Hitt remain the same. He never had the "It" factor. In fact, he might be the least "It" factor Aftermath signee ever. I really don't know what Dre saw in him. This album would have been an absolute bomb if it had come out after 2001 and Dre was right to shelve it. I just hope for Hitt's sake he still gets some kind of residuals for his writing on 2001.
The only truly tragic Aftermath story, in my opinion, is Bishop Lamont. He had a ton of underground/internet hype before signing with Dre and then his career never recovered after leaving.
i would argue that bishop lamont had even less of the it factor than hittman
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i would argue that bishop lamont had even less of the it factor than hittman
Wow. That's the first time I've heard anyone say that about Bishop. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Wow. That's the first time I've heard anyone say that about Bishop. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
what stands out to u about bishop?
it’s been said here plenty
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i would argue that bishop lamont had even less of the it factor than hittman
100% agree with this. I found nothing appealing in Bishop's music but he's definitely a lyricist. Hittman atleast had great features on 2001 but there is no way I could see him carry an entire album on his own.
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100% agree with this. I found nothing appealing in Bishop's music but he's definitely a lyricist. Hittman atleast had great features on 2001 but there is no way I could see him carry an entire album on his own.
hittman had more of that classic style that’s easy to vibe to
u didn’t like murder weapon??
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I would say that Bishop Lamont has more charisma and energy, and therefore more of a mic presence than Hittman. That’s not to take away anything from Hittman as I have liked what I heard from him and he’s an integral part of the Chronic 2001 album.
It is a damn shame that Bishop Lamont never blew up, he deserved to and had all the right ingredients in my opinion. If Detox had dropped when it was supposed to, it would have been a whole different story.
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I would say both Hitt and Bishop lack fun factor. Do you actually have fun listening to their music? Having said that, I think Hitt is more fun than Bishop. Bishop is so self-serious. Hitt was the epitome of a guest artist, like Lloyd Banks. I think Bishop could've worked out as a guest artist, too, but I'm unsure if he had the humility to let that happen. Based on 2001, obviously Hitt was comfortable at the start playing a supporting role.
I think the hardest thing for an A&R to find is an rapper/artist who is fun and entertaining. It's not about who has the best lyrics, it's really about who can make the listener enjoy listening to you for three or four minutes straight. You have to have that fun factor to get an audience to listen to you for that long, especially with today's shorter attention spans.
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Bishop Lamont most definitely had a fun factor and his sense of humor was/is evident throughout a lot of his output.
Remember that Team America mixtape he had, that was goofy as hell at times but entertaining, lyrical and with a fun concept, if not veering into the ridiculous at some points.
I won’t accept anyone saying he’s boring or a one-dimensional rapper. Those mixtapes he put out during 2006-2010 or so had album-level tracks on there (some of which were probably meant to be on his debut but he got
impatient and perhaps realised Dre wasn’t going to release them maybe, in which case, he’s quite clever).
He had tracks like ‘Grow Up’ which were mature and introspective, stuff on the Shawshank Redemption mixtape which dealt with race and other social issues, diss tracks like ‘Missile Testing’, club tracks such as ‘I Dominate’ and a ton of braggadocios raps. All whilst working with some of the best producers around.
So yeah, Bishop Lamont is a multi-dimensional rapper with tons of charisma and Dr. Dre missed a trick by not going all in with him and releasing his album.
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Plus Bishop had beter and more futuristic (DJ Khalil produced?) beats then Hittman
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Bishop Lamont most definitely had a fun factor and his sense of humor was/is evident throughout a lot of his output.
Remember that Team America mixtape he had, that was goofy as hell at times but entertaining, lyrical and with a fun concept, if not veering into the ridiculous at some points.
I won’t accept anyone saying he’s boring or a one-dimensional rapper. Those mixtapes he put out during 2006-2010 or so had album-level tracks on there (some of which were probably meant to be on his debut but he got
impatient and perhaps realised Dre wasn’t going to release them maybe, in which case, he’s quite clever).
He had tracks like ‘Grow Up’ which were mature and introspective, stuff on the Shawshank Redemption mixtape which dealt with race and other social issues, diss tracks like ‘Missile Testing’, club tracks such as ‘I Dominate’ and a ton of braggadocios raps. All whilst working with some of the best producers around.
So yeah, Bishop Lamont is a multi-dimensional rapper with tons of charisma and Dr. Dre missed a trick by not going all in with him and releasing his album.
Bingo. I'm not understanding how people can accuse Bishop of not having a fun factor or a sense of humor. It's like they never actually listened to his body of work. He was able to bounce back and forth between being funny, gangsta, political, and dirty, all while have top notch lyrics. When I was talking him up to a bunch of my friends back in the day, I described him as a black Eminem.
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Knoc-turn'al was better than both Hittman and Bishop
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I would say both Hitt and Bishop lack fun factor. Do you actually have fun listening to their music? Having said that, I think Hitt is more fun than Bishop. Bishop is so self-serious. Hitt was the epitome of a guest artist, like Lloyd Banks. I think Bishop could've worked out as a guest artist, too, but I'm unsure if he had the humility to let that happen. Based on 2001, obviously Hitt was comfortable at the start playing a supporting role.
I think the hardest thing for an A&R to find is an rapper/artist who is fun and entertaining. It's not about who has the best lyrics, it's really about who can make the listener enjoy listening to you for three or four minutes straight. You have to have that fun factor to get an audience to listen to you for that long, especially with today's shorter attention spans.
murder weapon is a very easy listen and enjoyable in a “fun” way .. i thought bishop was talented, but more of a chore to listen to. neither had the it factor to really blow up as a superstar, but hittman def had the potential to be a king t level underground west coast legend …. that was always his comp to me
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Knoc-turn'al was better than both Hittman and Bishop
knoc-turnal had the it factor, no doubt
he had the character, the voice, the charisma, the originality
the only issue wit knoc was that as an emcee, he wasn’t on that level … it was the one thing holding him back
his biggest hit was bad intentions, which he’s only singing the chorus on
his bread and butter was hooks and he shoulda took more of a nate dogg route imo
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knoc-turnal had the it factor, no doubt
he had the character, the voice, the charisma, the originality
the only issue wit knoc was that as an emcee, he wasn’t on that level … it was the one thing holding him back
his biggest hit was bad intentions, which he’s only singing the chorus on
his bread and butter was hooks and he shoulda took more of a nate dogg route imo
Definitely had a lot going for him.. I agree he wasn't an amazing emcee, but he was no slouch either. Verses on "Bang Bang" and "Str8 west coast" were very lyrical.
Amazing hook singer, don't forget Lights Out.
He also has some awful luck with record labels (what happened at Elektra when The Way I Am dropped) and of course had his own personal issues that got in his own way.
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hittman def had the potential to be a king t level underground west coast legend
I think this is fair.
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Definitely had a lot going for him.. I agree he wasn't an amazing emcee, but he was no slouch either. Verses on "Bang Bang" and "Str8 west coast" were very lyrical.
Amazing hook singer, don't forget Lights Out.
He also has some awful luck with record labels (what happened at Elektra when The Way I Am dropped) and of course had his own personal issues that got in his own way.
his flow was a bit choppy and not as fluid as the other west coast emcees to come from that umbrella
not saying he was a terrible rapper.. his music was dope and enjoyable. just that an emcee like hittman was a cut above on a technical level.
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I seen a Vlad interview with Ben Baller thar explained the Hittman thing simple he had signed a deal prior to Dre and getting the final contract together to make him a Aftermath artist and negotiate the signing contract from the one he was already on was the nail in the coffin ⚰️ (The other people he signed with wanted a lot of money) and it didn’t happen
Funny thing is Jimmy said the same story on Xzibit the reason Restless was delayed was Dre and Jimmy went to Steve Rifkind to buy him out or negotiate the deal to bring X to Aftermath and they asked for over a Million for X and that was it … that broke the deal with X and Dre but in turn since Dre stayed down he EP the project and asked for money from Rifkin and not Xs budget to fund him finishing his project with out X being a Aftermath artist from Dre while Xwas on Loud Records …
Seems we find out about deals sometimes before the ink is dry .. artist get called on for projects and have contracts with people that hear Dre and Jimmy interscope and says hey it’s our payday and ruin other artists dreams …
Knoc was sad to see and bumpin his music is dope and at the end I always wonder like damn wtf … he had it all a great ear for beats and features … he wrote great fuckin songs really dope concepts and even was simple on them and it was dope as shit
Too bad he stealing from Walmart and drinking his life away now …
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I seen a Vlad interview with Ben Baller thar explained the Hittman thing simple he had signed a deal prior to Dre and getting the final contract together to make him a Aftermath artist and negotiate the signing contract from the one he was already on was the nail in the coffin ⚰️ (The other people he signed with wanted a lot of money) and it didn’t happen
Funny thing is Jimmy said the same story on Xzibit the reason Restless was delayed was Dre and Jimmy went to Steve Rifkind to buy him out or negotiate the deal to bring X to Aftermath and they asked for over a Million for C and that was it … that broke the deal with X and Dre but in turn since Dre stayed down he EP the project and asked for money from Rifkin and not Xs budget to fund him finishing his project with out C being a Aftermath artist from Dre while C was on Loud Records …
Seems we find out about deals sometimes before the ink is dry .. artist get called on for projects and have contracts with people that hear Dre and Jimmy interscope and says hey it’s our payday and ruin other artists dreams …
Knoc was sad to see and bumpin his music is dope and at the end I always wonder like damn wtf … he had it all a great ear for beats and features … he wrote great fuckin songs really dope concepts and even was simple on them and it was dope as shit
Too bad he stealing from Walmart and drinking his life away now …
who is C??
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his flow was a bit choppy and not as fluid as the other west coast emcees to come from that umbrella
not saying he was a terrible rapper.. his music was dope and enjoyable. just that an emcee like hittman was a cut above on a technical level.
He definitely had a weird flow, but that also made him unique.
But yeah Hittman was a definitely a better pure rapper.
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I seen a Vlad interview with Ben Baller thar explained the Hittman thing simple he had signed a deal prior to Dre and getting the final contract together to make him a Aftermath artist and negotiate the signing contract from the one he was already on was the nail in the coffin ⚰️ (The other people he signed with wanted a lot of money) and it didn’t happen
Funny thing is Jimmy said the same story on Xzibit the reason Restless was delayed was Dre and Jimmy went to Steve Rifkind to buy him out or negotiate the deal to bring X to Aftermath and they asked for over a Million for C and that was it … that broke the deal with X and Dre but in turn since Dre stayed down he EP the project and asked for money from Rifkin and not Xs budget to fund him finishing his project with out C being a Aftermath artist from Dre while C was on Loud Records …
Seems we find out about deals sometimes before the ink is dry .. artist get called on for projects and have contracts with people that hear Dre and Jimmy interscope and says hey it’s our payday and ruin other artists dreams …
Knoc was sad to see and bumpin his music is dope and at the end I always wonder like damn wtf … he had it all a great ear for beats and features … he wrote great fuckin songs really dope concepts and even was simple on them and it was dope as shit
Too bad he stealing from Walmart and drinking his life away now …
Damn, didn't realize it had gotten that bad for Knoc.
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who is C??
My bad X I meant fir Xzibit letters close together on the phone
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there's nothing tragic with him. he earns enough money (a lotta money actually) with his credits on 2001 trough streaming by just sitting on his ass. i don't respect him because of that.
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there's nothing tragic with him. he earns enough money (a lotta money actually) with his credits on 2001 trough streaming by just sitting on his ass. i don't respect him because of that.
That's the way it should be.
He made SEVERAL contributions to one of the greatest rap albums of all time. Something that classic should earn him money for the rest of his life.
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I walk with a limp, cuz my dicks in the way - Hittman, Watch Out (Knoc Turnal) ;D
Going down memory lane wtf happened to Knoc?! Im listening to The Way I Am, this is great west coast ish.
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I walk with a limp, cuz my dicks in the way - Hittman, Watch Out (Knoc Turnal) ;D
Going down memory lane wtf happened to Knoc?! Im listening to The Way I Am, this is great west coast ish.
He seemed to have really bad luck with record labels.
He also presumably had some personal struggles that burned a lot of bridges for him.
He did put out a new EP pretty recently called Knight Vision that had features from Crooked I, Joe Moses and Ms. Toi
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I walk with a limp, cuz my dicks in the way - Hittman, Watch Out (Knoc Turnal) ;D
Going down memory lane wtf happened to Knoc?! Im listening to The Way I Am, this is great west coast ish.
Just another Dre protege' turned casualty. Not blaming Dre I mean Dre's made a lot of people a lot of money over the years.
but from a fans perspective probably the biggest disappointment for me was not getting King Tee summer of 98'. But not too far behind that is Knoc. Dre even filmed and performed on a lead single with Missy Elliot for a Knoc album that was supposed to be released and never came out. Similar to being in the "Got It Locked" video a lead single or King T and that never coming out summer of 98'. This is a sample of the way that King T shit woulda hit summer of 98' I can't imagine how fuccin hype I woulda been 16 my first year wit a license rollin to dis shit (sure would a beat rollin to Snoop's Da Game and all that No Limit trash)..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt_Q73uT6_A
Gettin back to Knoc that EP got released which was really strange. "Night and Day" was a fucking great song but I remember the EP like charing #72 first week which was also really strange. The whole thing just didn't make sense. When everything finally came out whether offically released or leaked one way or another I wasn't impressed.
I'll tell you what was impressive if we are talking about Hitman, Knoc, and cats who were up and coming on 2001. That 6'2" shit !! The music 6'2" was recording with Aftermath and with DOC in that ERA actually ended up being like the best shit of all the unreleased Aftermath shit aside from maybe King T. Where's that cat on here that used to do all the fanmade albums for us? That 6'2" Aftermath album he put on here was the BOMB!! Just check out that one Screwed UP DRE joint where it like changes up speeds and shit like that!! it's late and I'm too lazy now but I'll post it later. 6'2" posts here on the dubb by the way
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lol you’re trippin .. hittman album shits on 6’2 album
get myne
the hiznit
last dayz
watch out
let shit go
blaow
ass
front page
it ain’t safe
ALL clearly have the 2001 sound
i’ll tell u just from knowing you.. you never really listened to murder weapon like that. and since u used to listen to 6’2 album regularly during a time in your life where u were more optimistic, u have a nostalgic attachment to it
but make no mistake, murder weapon is classic
the hittmanic verses album from 2005 is actually not the exact tracklist as murder weapon .. it does have 95% of the same tracks tho
We was both postin on the dubb and homies at the same time that Hitman unrelased album leaked in like 02'. So I gave it a serious listen like everyone else here. But ain't nothin on it fuccin with shit like this from the fanmade 6'2" we got many years later in 2014. Yes I was in a better period in my life then (teaching English in Indonesia riding around after midnight on a motorbike listening to this shit!!), so you have a nice point but still what Hittman track you mentioned fuccs with this, I can't find all the tracks he compiled but here's a few...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjysAX7JNbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu__4RTmDFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYrg-CNLzf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayx1dBscJGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdcTZdLEH9k
LET'S POST DEM SOFT ASS HITTMAN JOINTS SIDE BY SIDE SAME POST WITH 6'2" and LET THE CROWD DECIDE, WHICH ONE YOU WANT ME TO POST??
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knoc-turnal had the it factor, no doubt
he had the character, the voice, the charisma, the originality
the only issue wit knoc was that as an emcee, he wasn’t on that level … it was the one thing holding him back
his biggest hit was bad intentions, which he’s only singing the chorus on
his bread and butter was hooks and he shoulda took more of a nate dogg route imo
yeah pretty much, he could've done some more shit like "Night and Day". He carried that whole track on his own, verses and hooks. I think it's possible. Not every rapper has to rap fast, I mean look at what Warren G accomplished on G Funk Era. You can be laid back and smooth, get a few good writers to surround you and help tighten up your shit, and you got a shot at a classic
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We was both postin on the dubb and homies at the same time that Hitman unrelased album leaked in like 02'. So I gave it a serious listen like everyone else here. But ain't nothin on it fuccin with shit like this from the fanmade 6'2" we got many years later in 2014. Yes I was in a better period in my life then (teaching English in Indonesia riding around after midnight on a motorbike listening to this shit!!), so you have a nice point but still what Hittman track you mentioned fuccs with this, I can't find all the tracks he compiled but here's a few...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjysAX7JNbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu__4RTmDFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYrg-CNLzf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayx1dBscJGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdcTZdLEH9k
LET'S POST DEM SOFT ASS HITTMAN JOINTS SIDE BY SIDE SAME POST WITH 6'2" and LET THE CROWD DECIDE, WHICH ONE YOU WANT ME TO POST??
these joints all classix and i’ll take em in a 5 vs 5 against what u posted
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n0V3PMI9lkY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKYOt-aHIA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OoaabDo-inw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CZGHxZ_TnYc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1U5tjHfEoc
put it to the test in a poll
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yeah pretty much, he could've done some more shit like "Night and Day". He carried that whole track on his own, verses and hooks. I think it's possible. Not every rapper has to rap fast, I mean look at what Warren G accomplished on G Funk Era. You can be laid back and smooth, get a few good writers to surround you and help tighten up your shit, and you got a shot at a classic
knoc couldnt flow smooth .. he was choppy wit it
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I don’t know the whole story - hope he got enough publishing from 2001 - but Ben Baller made it seem like he didn’t
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knoc couldnt flow smooth .. he was choppy wit it
I don't really think "Ability" had anything to do with Knoc not blowing though. Dre fans seemed to like him enough. It was other stuff that got in the way.
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I don't really think "Ability" had anything to do with Knoc not blowing though. Dre fans seemed to like him enough. It was other stuff that got in the way.
i think his album was dope but mostly carried by production
it might not be the entire reason, but it was part of it
it’s not a coincidence that his biggest hit was a joint wheres he’s just singing the hook
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i think his album was dope but mostly carried by production
it might not be the entire reason, but it was part of it
it’s not a coincidence that his biggest hit was a joint wheres he’s just singing the hook
The EP is incredible. No skips.
The Way I Am is a very good album too.