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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: abusive on August 19, 2024, 01:54:03 PM
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I forgot who it was but they said that Nate Dogg used to always record and that he owned all of music and that it was coming out. What happened to it?
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his estate is overly diligent when it comes to releasing his unreleased music
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Unfortunately, releasing nonmainstream posthumous music just isn't a profitable venture in these times. Sample clearances, mixing, mastering, etc is expensive. The estate isn't going to do anything that isn't going to make them money at the end of the day. Majority of it will most likely sit unreleased forever. Best case scenario is that mainstream artists like Dre or Snoop might pay the estate to buy a hook or two.
2Pac's estate is in the same boat. Same with Bad Azz, Biggie, Eazy E, etc. Estates don't care about legacies or are going to release music at a loss just to appease fans who will most likely download it for free. Estates are there to do what is the most financially prudent for the inheritance of the estate, and sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into a venture to release music isn't it.
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Nate Doggs family (brothers from my understanding were handling his estate) Unfortunately Nate left no will and with time taxes all that effected the estate as well.. his children are now almost there to run and benefit from his estate and business with music
This is why you havnt seen anyone purchase any books as of late
Mahler is pretty vocal and honest about it… he says they near complete with all of it and splitting the near $3m he left behind and moving forward …
Hopefully he is on Snoops album …
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Nate Doggs family (brothers from my understanding were handling his estate) Unfortunately Nate left no will and with time taxes all that effected the estate as well.. his children are now almost there to run and benefit from his estate and business with music
This is why you havnt seen anyone purchase any books as of late
Mahler is pretty vocal and honest about it… he says they near complete with all of it and splitting the near $3m he left behind and moving forward …
Hopefully he is on Snoops album …
I'm confused. What book and if he left behind three mil, how come he needed help to pay for his hospital expenses?
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blame streaming
music doesn’t make money
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blame streaming
music doesn’t make money
Bingo. Streaming has fucked over the artists, while the record companies are raking in the money.
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blame streaming
music doesn’t make money
Yall are just guessing. Streaming makes more money than music sitting on a hard drive somewhere. Plus there are lots of ways to make money from music outside of streaming.
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I just refuse to believe that dropping a Posthumous Nate Dogg album woulnd:t be profitable.
If that really is the case they should at least be able to sell hooks to artist while making a profit.
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Yall are just guessing. Streaming makes more money than music sitting on a hard drive somewhere. Plus there are lots of ways to make money from music outside of streaming.
lol sure....
it cost more money to market an album than the money u make off streaming
and hard copies barely sell nowadays
most money made off music comes via touring.....and nate aint touring any time soon
thats just facts
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lol sure....
it cost more money to market an album than the money u make off streaming
and hard copies barely sell nowadays
most money made off music comes via touring.....and nate aint touring any time soon
thats just facts
Hell, even before streaming this was basically true. The record labels made all the money from album sales. The artists were lucky to make a dollar for each album sold. The artists always made the majority of their cash from tours. Streaming has just made the problem worse. Plus also you add the fact that Ticket Master/Live Nation basically has a monopoly on ticket sales and often own the arenas/venues as well. So now artists get fucked over on the sales of their music and on their touring (unless you're Taylor fucking Swift) and we as consumers can't even go to a concert without dropping a couple hundred bucks.
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Nate Doggs family (brothers from my understanding were handling his estate) Unfortunately Nate left no will and with time taxes all that effected the estate as well.. his children are now almost there to run and benefit from his estate and business with music
This is why you havnt seen anyone purchase any books as of late
Mahler is pretty vocal and honest about it… he says they near complete with all of it and splitting the near $3m he left behind and moving forward …
Hopefully he is on Snoops album …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPPgQGrBP4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0Fy3sEKsI
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I'm always dubious on executors or families of an estate of a dead artist citing a high number of works, and always feel that it's a rouse to help families of the estate carve out a far bigger deal, when the perception is that there's a lot more meat in the freezer than there really is. Or knowingly overlooking 'untitled' tracks and alternative mixes of existing tracks to help accumulate a bigger number.
I don't doubt Nate will have a lot of songs though, but if I were a gambling man, I'd guess more towards 100 as a maximum. Other artists having verses of Nate's here or there I wouldn't include on that. I know Nate can record a lot, but we have to remember that Nate stepped away from music for a bit, and also had a few health issues as well as court and legal issues in between, so it's not as though he was recording ferociously all those years.
They should definitely be capitalising on the '6 in the morning' hit this summer. It's been playing all over the UK
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I'm always dubious on executors or families of an estate of a dead artist citing a high number of works, and always feel that it's a rouse to help families of the estate carve out a far bigger deal, when the perception is that there's a lot more meat in the freezer than there really is. Or knowingly overlooking 'untitled' tracks and alternative mixes of existing tracks to help accumulate a bigger number.
I don't doubt Nate will have a lot of songs though, but if I were a gambling man, I'd guess more towards 100 as a maximum. Other artists having verses of Nate's here or there I wouldn't include on that. I know Nate can record a lot, but we have to remember that Nate stepped away from music for a bit, and also had a few health issues as well as court and legal issues in between, so it's not as though he was recording ferociously all those years.
They should definitely be capitalising on the '6 in the morning' hit this summer. It's been playing all over the UK
I agree. I'm sure he has some demos, outtakes, alternate versions. And songs that were cut from albums. And maybe 50 or songs that could be turned into something decent. But doesn't make sense to me why he would have hundreds and hundreds of perfectly good unreleased songs just sitting there that he never did a thing with when he was alive. I'm sure most of what the estate claims to be unreleased songs are him just laying down random vocals in the studio and aren't even close to fully useable completed songs.
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Hell, even before streaming this was basically true. The record labels made all the money from album sales. The artists were lucky to make a dollar for each album sold. The artists always made the majority of their cash from tours. Streaming has just made the problem worse. Plus also you add the fact that Ticket Master/Live Nation basically has a monopoly on ticket sales and often own the arenas/venues as well. So now artists get fucked over on the sales of their music and on their touring (unless you're Taylor fucking Swift) and we as consumers can't even go to a concert without dropping a couple hundred bucks.
The labels get paid first/more for owning the masters. There is no label in this scenario and the estate owns the masters.
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Unfortunately, releasing nonmainstream posthumous music just isn't a profitable venture in these times. Sample clearances, mixing, mastering, etc is expensive. The estate isn't going to do anything that isn't going to make them money at the end of the day. Majority of it will most likely sit unreleased forever. Best case scenario is that mainstream artists like Dre or Snoop might pay the estate to buy a hook or two.
2Pac's estate is in the same boat. Same with Bad Azz, Biggie, Eazy E, etc. Estates don't care about legacies or are going to release music at a loss just to appease fans who will most likely download it for free. Estates are there to do what is the most financially prudent for the inheritance of the estate, and sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into a venture to release music isn't it.
Mixing and mastering isn't expensive in 2024 bro. Idk about sample clearances but you don't need to have sampled music. Technology is so high that sampling songs is really obsolete. If Nate does have sampled music and clearing cost is the issue, you simply place his vocals over a new track without samples.
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lol sure....
it cost more money to market an album than the money u make off streaming
and hard copies barely sell nowadays
most money made off music comes via touring.....and nate aint touring any time soon
thats just facts
Not if you market it as memorabilia or collectables. We had this discussion a while back.
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Not if you market it as memorabilia or collectables. We had this discussion a while back.
LOL SURE
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LOL SURE
You don't know the full potential of the music business that's all. You know making an album, throwing it on streaming, shooting one or two videos and doing some interviews. It's deeper than that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0Fy3sEKsI
So Snoop has his catalog of over five hundred songs. I was under the impression that he had a few hundred unreleased songs but it sounds like released and unreleased.
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You don't know the full potential of the music business that's all. You know making an album, throwing it on streaming, shooting one or two videos and doing some interviews. It's deeper than that.
Limited Edition Nate Dogg merch is not doing big numbers in 2024 young’n
there’s a niche fanbase that will buy it, of course .. but in order for it to
do big numbers you would need to put big money behind promoting it
that’s just facts
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Not if you market it as memorabilia or collectables. We had this discussion a while back.
And how many people would pay 30.00 or 40.00 for a Nate Dogg collectable record or CD? Probably not even 100 people on this board, you're talking maaaybe a couple thousand worldwide. Not worth it for the estate to do that.
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And how many people would pay 30.00 or 40.00 for a Nate Dogg collectable record or CD? Probably not even 100 people on this board, you're talking maaaybe a couple thousand worldwide. Not worth it for the estate to do that.
That's because you are looking this from the standpoint of a west coast fan. I'm looking at it from the perspective of creating something that will increase in value over time. The same reason why people collect baseball cards. It is an investment.
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There's definitely a market for new Nate Dogg music and hopefully one day there will be a posthumous album released from him to do his legacy justice.
Either a solo album or more likely updated collaborations with artists he either did or would most likely have worked with like the track on Ventura with Anderson .Paak which I thought was really done well.
If this was released physically with let's say 10-20,000 pressings and was priced at above average we on here would all snap it up and no doubt it would sell out.
By the way, I didn't know that '6 in the Morning' track was popping like that in the UK since I don't listen to the radio, I don't know where the OG vocal is from but it's cool to hear Nate Dogg over a house beat and it works really well.
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There's definitely a market for new Nate Dogg music and hopefully one day there will be a posthumous album released from him to do his legacy justice.
Either a solo album or more likely updated collaborations with artists he either did or would most likely have worked with like the track on Ventura with Anderson .Paak which I thought was really done well.
If this was released physically with let's say 10-20,000 pressings and was priced at above average we on here would all snap it up and no doubt it would sell out.
By the way, I didn't know that '6 in the Morning' track was popping like that in the UK since I don't listen to the radio, I don't know where the OG vocal is from but it's cool to hear Nate Dogg over a house beat and it works really well.
nate dogg is not selling 20,000 physical copies in 2024 lmao
dogg pound couldnt even sell 500 physical copies with WAWG
most people would just stream it
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^Ok Mr. Know It All. >:(
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^Ok Mr. Know It All. >:(
you are delusional homie
these are just facts
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They used a sample from Gangsta Walk - @ 1:23 onwards:
https://www.youtube.com/v/7iy8ybuEZiQ?si=2Ls5MvKKnHIx-2fY&t=83
I'm sick of hearing it on the radio. It didn't get in the top 10, but it's one of those ones that has been playing a lot on various stations, and it's not the only one. It prompted that PAWSA track using the exact same sample, and that too is a pain in the ass, especially when driving, as it has the silly phone ringing on it. But in terms of accolades, it's a great feat to see Nate's voice being put onto 2 tracks like this.
He has a unique voice that can be utilised on more tracks like this. If they get another song or 2 like that, then they should certainly consider putting out a project. Both stations - BBC 1Xtra and Kisstory have also played the Warren G / Nate Regulate remix w / Michael McDonald from time to time, and I heard it as recently as this year. I think a Greatest Hits type album would work well, if they include that Regulate remix, along with the original, Nobody Does It Better, Get Up, and also include Gangsta Walk since it has been recently sampled. Probably have to be creative with a lot of the vocal that's been used on other tracks. The momentum might be there, but would be a gamble
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you are delusional homie
these are just facts
The god you serve is delusional.
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The god you serve is delusional.
there’s only one God
and you’re an idol worshipper so he isn’t very happy with you
:francis:
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That's because you are looking this from the standpoint of a west coast fan. I'm looking at it from the perspective of creating something that will increase in value over time. The same reason why people collect baseball cards. It is an investment.
I know your intentions are good, but you are living in a bubble. No serious investor is going to buy a collectable Nate Dogg CD for the sole purpose of investing, thinking they are going to be able to double or triple their 40.00 investment in the next 10/20 years.
When was the last time you heard anyone even mention Nate Dogg's name outside of this rap community? You think 10/20 years from now, the common investor/general music fan is going to be talking about Nate Dogg or scrambling to find some of his collectible records? Nah.
Serious investors are buying stocks, bonds and real estate, proven commodities. They aren't buying baseball cards, funko pops, collectible records, vintage toys, etc. It cracks me up when i hear people talk about these things in that context.
Rarity does not equal value. So many people fail to realize this. Just because someone makes a limited edition item doesn't automatically mean it's going to be valuable. There has to be a market and people who actually want to own and purchase these things at exorbitant prices.
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I know your intentions are good, but you are living in a bubble. No serious investor is going to buy a collectable Nate Dogg CD for the sole purpose of investing, thinking they are going to be able to double or triple their 40.00 investment in the next 10/20 years.
When was the last time you heard anyone even mention Nate Dogg's name outside of this rap community? You think 10/20 years from now, the common investor/general music fan is going to be talking about Nate Dogg or scrambling to find some of his collectible records? Nah.
Serious investors are buying stocks, bonds and real estate, proven commodities. They aren't buying baseball cards, funko pops, collectible records, vintage toys, etc. It cracks me up when i hear people talk about these things in that context.
Rarity does not equal value. So many people fail to realize this. Just because someone makes a limited edition item doesn't automatically mean it's going to be valuable. There has to be a market and people who actually want to own and purchase these things at exorbitant prices.
You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about to the point where it's almost scary. Especially on the bolded part.
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There's definitely a market for new Nate Dogg music and hopefully one day there will be a posthumous album released from him to do his legacy justice.
Either a solo album or more likely updated collaborations with artists he either did or would most likely have worked with like the track on Ventura with Anderson .Paak which I thought was really done well.
If this was released physically with let's say 10-20,000 pressings and was priced at above average we on here would all snap it up and no doubt it would sell out.
By the way, I didn't know that '6 in the Morning' track was popping like that in the UK since I don't listen to the radio, I don't know where the OG vocal is from but it's cool to hear Nate Dogg over a house beat and it works really well.
There is no market for Nate Dogg material outside of older west coast fans.
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There is no market for Nate Dogg material outside of older west coast fans.
there could potentially be a streaming market… but anyone thinking it’s selling over 1,000 hard copies without HEAVY marketing is totally unaware of the current market for physical copies
for reference, tray deees latest limited edition album sold roughly 25 CD copies in total
now, we know nate is much bigger than tray deee .. but how much bigger? .. he’s still much closer to tray deee than he is to drake in this day n age… and drake sold 10,000 copies of his most recent album…. but fools think nate will double that? cats just pullin numbers out their ass wit zero knowledge of the situation.
and i’m saying this as someone who would love to hear nate’s estate release new music..but they’re better off sellin what they have as features like they did wit anderson paak and snoop tbh.
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Dogg pound with all due respect, has never been on nate dogg level. Nate was no 1 artist world wide.
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Dogg pound with all due respect, has never been on nate dogg level. Nate was no 1 artist world wide.
dogg pound debut album went 2x platinum .. a nate dogg album never even went gold
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I know your intentions are good, but you are living in a bubble. No serious investor is going to buy a collectable Nate Dogg CD for the sole purpose of investing, thinking they are going to be able to double or triple their 40.00 investment in the next 10/20 years.
When was the last time you heard anyone even mention Nate Dogg's name outside of this rap community? You think 10/20 years from now, the common investor/general music fan is going to be talking about Nate Dogg or scrambling to find some of his collectible records? Nah.
Serious investors are buying stocks, bonds and real estate, proven commodities. They aren't buying baseball cards, funko pops, collectible records, vintage toys, etc. It cracks me up when i hear people talk about these things in that context.
Rarity does not equal value. So many people fail to realize this. Just because someone makes a limited edition item doesn't automatically mean it's going to be valuable. There has to be a market and people who actually want to own and purchase these things at exorbitant prices.
You moved the goal post a bit too with the "serious" added to investors. As if investing on a smaller scale somehow isn't still investing.
Is Investing in Sports Cards a Viable Investment?
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/investing-sports-cards-viable-investment
^Notice the source.
Instead, inspired by the success of Nipsey Hussle's $100 mixtape, Cilvaringz and RZA landed on the idea of treating Once Upon A Time In Shaolin as a priceless art object. "The music industry is in crisis," they explain on their website. "The intrinsic value of music has been reduced to zero. Contemporary art is worth millions by virtue of its exclusivity ... By adopting a 400 year old Renaissance-style approach to music, offering it as a commissioned commodity and allowing it to take a similar trajectory from creation to exhibition to sale ... we hope to inspire and intensify urgent debates about the future of music."
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/mar/27/wu-tang-clan-one-copy-new-album-once-upon-a-time-in-shaolin
The winning bidder was Martin Shkreli, the CEO of Turing Pharmaceuticals, who paid a reported $2 million. In March 2018, following Shkreli's conviction for securities fraud, a federal court seized assets belonging to him, including Once Upon a Time in Shaolin. In July 2021, the U.S. Department of Justice sold it to the non-fungible token collectors PleasrDAO for $4 million to cover Shkreli's debts; PleasrDAO said they hoped to make it more widely accessible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_in_Shaolin
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dogg pound debut album went 2x platinum .. a nate dogg album never even went gold
He's been featured on multiple diamond selling albums and has been on numerous gold and plat songs.
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He's been featured on multiple diamond selling albums and has been on numerous gold and plat songs.
that’s cool and all … he’s the goat hip hop hookmaster .. hands down
but his solo albums weren’t hot sellers in an era where hip-hop was going platinum left & right
and that’s part of why i said his estates best bet is to sell his features to artists willing to pay big bux for a hot hook
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Unfortunately, releasing nonmainstream posthumous music just isn't a profitable venture in these times. Sample clearances, mixing, mastering, etc is expensive. The estate isn't going to do anything that isn't going to make them money at the end of the day. Majority of it will most likely sit unreleased forever. Best case scenario is that mainstream artists like Dre or Snoop might pay the estate to buy a hook or two.
2Pac's estate is in the same boat. Same with Bad Azz, Biggie, Eazy E, etc. Estates don't care about legacies or are going to release music at a loss just to appease fans who will most likely download it for free. Estates are there to do what is the most financially prudent for the inheritance of the estate, and sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into a venture to release music isn't it.
You can literally master for free with services like Master Box https://www.masteringbox.com
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for reference, tray deees latest limited edition album sold roughly 25 CD copies in total
25 copies. That is insane. This is the Malice album that had 1,000 copies pressed right?
I have friends that put out music, even in genre's I don't particularly like, and yet I still feel obligated to make a purchase, so I'll buy a couple of the releases if on CD and or a single purchase on the more expensive vinyl just to show support, and someone like a Tray Deee can't even get a load of immediate family, friends etc. to put money down to see over 100 physical sales? That is pretty bad
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25 copies. That is insane. This is the Malice album that had 1,000 copies pressed right?
I have friends that put out music, even in genre's I don't particularly like, and yet I still feel obligated to make a purchase, so I'll buy a couple of the releases if on CD and or a single purchase on the more expensive vinyl just to show support, and someone like a Tray Deee can't even get a load of immediate family, friends etc. to put money down to see over 100 physical sales? That is pretty bad
yea…. kinda nuts…. friends and family are the most fickle
but since you believe in supporting your folks, grab the new rbx we put out on cd or vinyl
https://rbxthenarrator.bandcamp.com/album/hibernation-shivers
:salute:
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25 copies. That is insane. This is the Malice album that had 1,000 copies pressed right?
I have friends that put out music, even in genre's I don't particularly like, and yet I still feel obligated to make a purchase, so I'll buy a couple of the releases if on CD and or a single purchase on the more expensive vinyl just to show support, and someone like a Tray Deee can't even get a load of immediate family, friends etc. to put money down to see over 100 physical sales? That is pretty bad
I don't disagree with you but Tray's experience shouldn't be the litmus test for that business model.
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You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about to the point where it's almost scary. Especially on the bolded part.
Fill me in. Link me to several articles where financial advisors are telling clients they should be investing in funko pops, toys, collectible records, etc.
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Fill me in. Link me to several articles where financial advisors are telling clients they should be investing in funko pops, toys, collectible records, etc.
You're dismissed! :thefuck:
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There's nothing wrong with collecting items and memorabilia, but for investment, these tend to be very long term, and often offer lower returns than other investment opportunities. It's probably a bigger gamble than some safe bets (like bullion) I've seen some rare VHS tapes auction for a lot of money. An 80's movie called Chopping Mall, was a cheesy horror movie and something you could have easily picked up in the early 90's for $1 - 3. Now that movie (if in the paper sleeve) sells for around $300 - $1,200 depending on the condition of the cover, and the movie quality.
For music, it would be better to look at publishing and royalties. Tyrese recently had songwriting royalties for sale over a 30 year term, for something like a $20,000 price tag. I think they generated more than the $20,000 in the last 10 years alone, so if those trends continued, that would be over $40K / $50K in profit over the next 20 years. Would Tyrese be appearing in more mainstream movies? Doing something that garners more attention? It's a high purchase price, but some risk is inevitable for these higher end margins. I once purchased 100 Apple shares for just under 10K, back in 2013, money I couldn't really afford to part with. They were $94 a share and I really had no idea where it would go, as I had banked on the apple watch being far more popular than it was upon release and thought I could buy and sell within a couple of years, but that wasn't to be. They Today they are sitting over $200 a share, so I have doubled my money there and just see it as an additional pension sum.
Maybe there would be some Nate royalties for sale now or in the near future
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There's nothing wrong with collecting items and memorabilia, but for investment, these tend to be very long term, and often offer lower returns than other investment opportunities. It's probably a bigger gamble than some safe bets (like bullion) I've seen some rare VHS tapes auction for a lot of money. An 80's movie called Chopping Mall, was a cheesy horror movie and something you could have easily picked up in the early 90's for $1 - 3. Now that movie (if in the paper sleeve) sells for around $300 - $1,200 depending on the condition of the cover, and the movie quality.
For music, it would be better to look at publishing and royalties. Tyrese recently had songwriting royalties for sale over a 30 year term, for something like a $20,000 price tag. I think they generated more than the $20,000 in the last 10 years alone, so if those trends continued, that would be over $40K / $50K in profit over the next 20 years. Would Tyrese be appearing in more mainstream movies? Doing something that garners more attention? It's a high purchase price, but some risk is inevitable for these higher end margins. I once purchased 100 Apple shares for just under 10K, back in 2013, money I couldn't really afford to part with. They were $94 a share and I really had no idea where it would go, as I had banked on the apple watch being far more popular than it was upon release and thought I could buy and sell within a couple of years, but that wasn't to be. They Today they are sitting over $200 a share, so I have doubled my money there and just see it as an additional pension sum.
Maybe there would be some Nate royalties for sale now or in the near future
You're doing the same thing the other guy is doing. Moving the goal post. I'm not here to argue figures with you guys. I made the comment that it's an investment and it is. It may or may not be the best investment for everyone but it's an investment nevertheless.
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I was just going off on a tangent, but no I do agree, that it is an investment, which is why I used the videotape analogy, just that with physical media right now, they often provide lower returns or take a lot longer to accrue value, though it's not always the case and could change in the future. I don't think anyone would have predicted in the late 80's / early 90's that VHS tapes, kept in good nick, could be in excess of $500 a piece in 2024. I threw boxes of VHS tapes out when I upgraded to DVD and kick myself now seeing how much many of them can go for, or even just seeing people create dedicated VHS rooms for the nostalgia.
Nostalgia IMO would set it's own worth to an individual and override a predetermined value, like other commodities. Nostalgia is a very powerful emotion, and hard to put a price on, and I think in time as the world grows even more digitally, with less ownership on physical goods (how many youth have physical games, books, music, movies) then people may seek out physical items from a particular decade, and with time, there's less out there. Even many 78 records have been damaged by music fans, due to not realising that they have to change the needles every time the side of a record is finished playing, which in turn drives up the cost of the existing ones.
Just on the power of nostalgia though, there's a lot of songs out there I won't even listen to, purely because it takes me back to a particular time, not because of it being a bad time (it's not), but because I don't want that nostalgia feeling to 'run out' by over listening to a great song or even an exact album arrangement that can instantly take me back. I think people can get that way with movies, towns and areas.
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You're doing the same thing the other guy is doing. Moving the goal post. I'm not here to argue figures with you guys. I made the comment that it's an investment and it is. It may or may not be the best investment for everyone but it's an investment nevertheless.
Yes, you stated the obvious, it's an investment. That statement adds nothing to this discussion. Anything can be an investment. Buying a bag of chips is also an investment. We were discussing whether or not something like this is a "smart" investment. But nontheless, we are getting off topic.
Bottom line is creating some sort of a collectible Nate Dogg record and attempting to sell it at an exorbitant price for the sake of recouping whatever money the estate would have to sink into the project to make it profitable will never happen. Plus that's not what the fans would want either. Someone referenced the one of one Wu Tang album that sold for millions. No one can hear the music in that scenario either, so it's a moot point.
Face it, the only way we're getting stuff from the golden age of rap from deceased rappers is from leaks. I'm just as bummed as everyone else at the way things turned out, but that's how it goes.
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Yes, you stated the obvious, it's an investment. That statement adds nothing to this discussion. Anything can be an investment. Buying a bag of chips is also an investment. We were discussing whether or not something like this is a "smart" investment. But nontheless, we are getting off topic.
Bottom line is creating some sort of a collectible Nate Dogg record and attempting to sell it at an exorbitant price for the sake of recouping whatever money the estate would have to sink into the project to make it profitable will never happen. Plus that's not what the fans would want either. Someone referenced the one of one Wu Tang album that sold for millions. No one can hear the music in that scenario either, so it's a moot point.
Face it, the only way we're getting stuff from the golden age of rap from deceased rappers is from leaks. I'm just as bummed as everyone else at the way things turned out, but that's how it goes.
or major artists buying hooks from the estate
here’s a few
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiOtHqMvcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrh_0lnOQLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhoDpA0cKJQ
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Yes, you stated the obvious, it's an investment. That statement adds nothing to this discussion. Anything can be an investment. Buying a bag of chips is also an investment. We were discussing whether or not something like this is a "smart" investment. But nontheless, we are getting off topic.
Bottom line is creating some sort of a collectible Nate Dogg record and attempting to sell it at an exorbitant price for the sake of recouping whatever money the estate would have to sink into the project to make it profitable will never happen. Plus that's not what the fans would want either. Someone referenced the one of one Wu Tang album that sold for millions. No one can hear the music in that scenario either, so it's a moot point.
Face it, the only way we're getting stuff from the golden age of rap from deceased rappers is from leaks. I'm just as bummed as everyone else at the way things turned out, but that's how it goes.
You're getting off topic. I never said that bolded. I posted the Wu album as an example of artist getting creative with their brand. The point isn't moot either because it initially sold for two million and six years later sold for four. Hence it being an investment.
You saying what's a smart investment isn't up to to you to decide, it's up to the consumer. YOU are discussing what's a smart investment. What YOU consider smart doesn't apply to everyone. That's you moving the goal post to suit your argument. I only stated that it was an investment. You trying to convince me otherwise while admitting that it is is goofy.
You were wrong about the mastering, you were wrong about the sports cards and your wrong about this.
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You're getting off topic. I never said that bolded. I posted the Wu album as an example of artist getting creative with their brand. The point isn't moot either because it initially sold for two million and six years later sold for four. Hence it being an investment.
You saying what's a smart investment isn't up to to you to decide, it's up to the consumer. YOU are discussing what's a smart investment. What YOU consider smart doesn't apply to everyone. That's you moving the goal post to suit your argument. I only stated that it was an investment. You trying to convince me otherwise while admitting that it is is goofy.
You were wrong about the mastering, you were wrong about the sports cards and your wrong about this.
We will let reality dictate if i'm 'wrong' or not. Fact of the matter is the estate ISN'T doing anything with his music. If there is money to be made, as you say, why wouldn't they be doing something with it? So, the fact that they aren't, pretty well supports my side of the argument. The estate has looked into it and decided it wasn't profitable.
But hey that's cool, you won't be able to invest your 401K into collectible Nate Dogg records, but you still have Funko Pops and baseball cards. You'll be a multimillionaire in no time.
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I'll qualify what I said in my original post since others here are in the industry and I'll give it up that they have more knowledge than me about these things.
I suppose what I meant to say is that if a new Nate Dogg album came out next month with a single released to build anticipation, and it was hard copies only and wasn't available to stream, either now or in the future it wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that it could sell, let's say 5-10,000 copies over the course of a few years.
Not immediately, obviously, as I recognise that physical sales have fallen a lot even with the most well-known musicians, but if it was marketed as a limited release then I'd like to think eventually it would shift those numbers. And I don't mean market it as some sort of investment as I have a handful of rare CDs in my collection but you're not looking at life changing amounts of money if I were to sell them.
Now, I'm fully aware that Nate Dogg's estate aren't going to do this anytime soon but regardless, it would be nice to get one more album or EP of his leftover material at some point down the line.
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They could release a new 213 album on Death Row.
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We will let reality dictate if i'm 'wrong' or not. Fact of the matter is the estate ISN'T doing anything with his music. If there is money to be made, as you say, why wouldn't they be doing something with it? So, the fact that they aren't, pretty well supports my side of the argument. The estate has looked into it and decided it wasn't profitable.
But hey that's cool, you won't be able to invest your 401K into collectible Nate Dogg records, but you still have Funko Pops and baseball cards. You'll be a multimillionaire in no time.
You jumping to conclusions based off of no information at all. The estate may have legal issues and that may be the reason why they aren't putting out the music. There could be lots of reasons.
I knew someone back in the 90's who bought his house and a jeep when he sold off some of his childhood baseball card collection. He had millions in cards but he just didn't sell them all. I made some money a few years back on ebay selling 80's/90's hip hop tapes and various genres of records. Depending on what you have, you can make millions.
You and a few others here need to step your thinking up. There are other types of investment besides stocks, real estate and 401k's.
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They could release a new 213 album on Death Row.
This would be sick but I doubt there’s the material to build a whole album worth of tracks around to be honest
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Anything can be an investment. Buying a bag of chips is also an investment.
"What Is an Investment?
An investment is an asset or item acquired to generate income or gain appreciation. Appreciation is the increase in the value of an asset over time. It requires the outlay of a resource today, like time, effort, and money for a greater payoff in the future, generating a profit."
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/investment.asp
^Notice it doesn't say anything about being set for life from the investment, being able to retire from it, or how much the investment appreciates. Only that it will increase in value over time.
The reason a bag of chips wouldn't be considered an investment is due in part to them being mass produced and the short shelf life since it has an expiration date. These two factors alone would more than likely cause the chips to depreciate in value. Despite what you said, scarcity is a factor that does drive up value;
"In a world where mass production and consumerism reign supreme, rarity has become a highly sought-after quality. From limited edition sneakers to rare collectible items, scarcity drives value in the marketplace. But why do people place such high value on rare items? And how does scarcity influence consumer behavior?"
https://medium.com/operations-research-gig/the-power-of-rarity-how-scarcity-drives-value-1e7ce778b8bc
If we were to look at cd's using the chip analogy, mass produced cd's wouldn't have as much value as a limited edition cd. A mass produced cd for the public is considered antiquated technology. A limited edition one, since rare, even though considered antiquated, would be considered a collectable. If the marketing on the cd is done in a way that the public responds to, it would drive the value up even more. I hope you can understand these simple investing concepts.
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That’s cool man. You can go to Target right now and find an entire aisle of collectible records from all kinds of music artists. All different colors of records and different covers. From way bigger artists than Nate Dogg. You really should be out there buying them all. And monthly record store day releases of all different kinds of limited edition albums. Better snatch all of them up too. Great investments, right? You can pick up a bunch of Funko Pops and baseball cards while you’re there too. You’d practically be printing money at that point.
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That’s cool man. You can go to Target right now and find an entire aisle of collectible records from all kinds of music artists. All different colors of records and different covers. From way bigger artists than Nate Dogg. You really should be out there buying them all. And monthly record store day releases of all different kinds of limited edition albums. Better snatch all of them up too. Great investments, right? You can pick up a bunch of Funko Pops and baseball cards while you’re there too. You’d practically be printing money at that point.
I don't think you can compare this. The "Limited" editions you mention still have ten thousands of copies printed. Real limited edtion with only hundres or thousands of copies will definitely increase in value/price over time
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I don't think you can compare this. The "Limited" editions you mention still have ten thousands of copies printed. Real limited edtion with only hundres or thousands of copies will definitely increase in value/price over time
Haha, anytime someone tells you that an investment will "definitely increase in value", run for the hills. Even long-term proven fortune 500 company stocks always say results are not guaranteed, you may lose money.
You guys don't understand that scarcity and rarity does not equate to value. I can paint a picture, only one of its kind in the world. Doesn't mean it's going to be worth anything if no one wants it. You need to really stop and think if music collectors 30 years from now are going to want to pay a high premium for a Nate Dogg limited edition album. AND that these investors who are buying them 30 years from now, think that they can increase their money even more in the NEXT 30 years that someone is still going to be wanting a special Nate Dogg album, because the only reason another investor would buy the album from you is if they too think they can increase their money even higher in the next 30 years. The guy is talented and i love his music, but I seriously doubt people are going to be paying crazy amounts of money for a limited edition Nate Dogg record 60 years from now.
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"What Is an Investment?
An investment is an asset or item acquired to generate income or gain appreciation. Appreciation is the increase in the value of an asset over time. It requires the outlay of a resource today, like time, effort, and money for a greater payoff in the future, generating a profit."
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/investment.asp
^Notice it doesn't say anything about being set for life from the investment, being able to retire from it, or how much the investment appreciates. Only that it will increase in value over time.
The reason a bag of chips wouldn't be considered an investment is due in part to them being mass produced and the short shelf life since it has an expiration date. These two factors alone would more than likely cause the chips to depreciate in value. Despite what you said, scarcity is a factor that does drive up value;
"In a world where mass production and consumerism reign supreme, rarity has become a highly sought-after quality. From limited edition sneakers to rare collectible items, scarcity drives value in the marketplace. But why do people place such high value on rare items? And how does scarcity influence consumer behavior?"
https://medium.com/operations-research-gig/the-power-of-rarity-how-scarcity-drives-value-1e7ce778b8bc
If we were to look at cd's using the chip analogy, mass produced cd's wouldn't have as much value as a limited edition cd. A mass produced cd for the public is considered antiquated technology. A limited edition one, since rare, even though considered antiquated, would be considered a collectable. If the marketing on the cd is done in a way that the public responds to, it would drive the value up even more. I hope you can understand these simple investing concepts.
Here's a very simple real life example we can use to prove your theory. This is being released right now, a limited edition Twinz Conversation vinyl. One of the greatest G-funk albums of all time, limited to 500 copies:
https://hcrshop.fr/products/twinz-conversation-vinyl
I imagine you will be picking this up for sure as an investment, correct? You will be buying many, many copies as they are 'guaranteed' to go up in value, right? You'd be stupid not to buy hundreds of these, hell, even all 500 you'd have a monopoly on them and can control the asking price going forward. Seems like a no brainer great investment.
Now lets track this over the next few years to see: A) if it even sells out, and then B) what people are selling them for years later.
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That’s cool man. You can go to Target right now and find an entire aisle of collectible records from all kinds of music artists. All different colors of records and different covers. From way bigger artists than Nate Dogg. You really should be out there buying them all. And monthly record store day releases of all different kinds of limited edition albums. Better snatch all of them up too. Great investments, right? You can pick up a bunch of Funko Pops and baseball cards while you’re there too. You’d practically be printing money at that point.
Don't forget about the chips. ;D
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Cassette tapes see surprising sales surge
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmfaXNXPp7U
May 3, 2025
Forget the vinyl revolution: For old-school music fans, cassettes are making a comeback. Superstars are offering some of their latest songs on the fragile, finicky devices, and there's a surprising surge in cassette sales. Here's why some fans are looking to the past to see the future of music.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MfF68UKxaA
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Vinyl And Cassette never went.
Underground music live(s/d) on wax and reels for years.
Atleast it was the case until 2014 so far i know
Newly i discovered a DJ from USSR who DJs on REELS.
The pre Vinyl Reels.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cZbfLPrnesE?si=f65Yr0u2sa0EarC8
Like Dr. Dre's DR material you dont really get Nate Dogg stuff from his time on da row...
The last and maybe only one i remember clearly is
"Something 2 Fu#$ 2" a Short freestyle type track
Peep this:.
New to me
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BFFOOYNwoyw?si=z16KAVEKj9kz-h7Z