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WHICH ALBUM DO YOU THINK IS BETTER? TWO ALBUMS THAT UNDERWHELEMED MANY PEOPLE..
I PERSONALLY THINK "COMPTON" IS A CLASSIC AND VERY UNDERAPPRECIATED .. DRE CAME WITH A FRESH SOUND THAT WAS TREMENDOUSLY PRODUCED AND LAYERED TO PERFECTION. ALL THE FEATURES DID THEIR THING AND THE ALBUM WAS BANGIN FRONT TO BACK. SONICALLY IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS TAILOR MADE TO BE PLAYED IN STADIUMS. THE GRIPE MOST PEOPLE HAD WAS THAT IT DIDNT HAVE THE TRADITIONAL DRE SOUND VOCALLY OR MUSICALLY.. BUT TO ME, IT HAD HINTS OF IT, JUST EVOLVED TO FIT THE MODERN TIMES.
ON THE FLIPSIDE, "MISSIONARY" SOUNDED FORCED AND INORGANIC TO ME. LIKE THERE WAS ZERO DIRECTION OR COHESION AND THE ALBUM JUST SOUNDS LIKE AN OVERALL MESS.. SONICALLY, IT SOUNDED THIN AND VERY WEAK COMPARED TO DRE'S PREVIOUS WORK, ALMOST LIKE HIS EAR WAS AFFECTED BY THE ANEURISM. SNOOP'S VOCALS, WHILE MORE ENERGETIC, SOUNDED COPY + PASTED AND OVERLY CONTRIVED. EASILY THE BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT FOR ME IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATED ALBUMS. I WOULDNT SAY ITS AN AWFUL ALBUM, BUT NOWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERING ITS THE REUNION OF WHAT IS ARGUABLY THE GOAT RAPPER PRODUCER COMBO + A FOLLOW UP TO WHAT MANY CONSIDER THE GREATEST ALBUM IN RAP HISTORY..
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, WHICH ALBUM DO YOU PREFER?
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Compton is another classic and up to the Dre golden standard. It’s a shame they didn’t push the album—there were a few tracks on there that sounded like they could’ve been monster singles/videos.
I still remember where I was the first time I heard Dre come in with…
“I just bought California!!”
Those were good times—the NWA movie was blowing up, huge success. My life had turned around I’d just finally gotten my first legit teaching job (doesn’t sound like much but it’s a step up from wiping buttholes in nursing homes for the previous 10 years for 11.00 an hour) and the girl of my dreams.
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“Compton” by far…“Missionary” was so disappointing that I have no desire to revisit it
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“Compton” by far…“Missionary” was so disappointing that I have no desire to revisit it
It’s odd because I actually enjoyed Missionary the first time I listened thru beginning to end with no skips…
…and then never went back to listen to it again, lol
But COMPTON was my go to album for like 3 months from August until around November it was top of my rotation.
“All Fall Back On Me” 10 of 10
“All in a Day’s Work” 10 of 10
“Talk About It” 10 of 10
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Compton has so many problems to be fixed. Mastering issue, wack fillers, lots of skips, no integrity, even my favorite song "all in a days work" has potential but they couldnt arrenge and mix it the way it was supposed to sound way better. There is no hits or classics to take place in dre's discography.
Missionary is not as good as we all expected but there is an integrity, concept, even there are fillers no skips and there are a few hits and bangers.
To me its Missionart >>>> Compton. However both are under dre's standarts.
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Compton has so many problems to be fixed. Mastering issue, wack fillers, lots of skips, no integrity, even my favorite song "all in a days work" has potential but they couldnt arrenge and mix it the way it was supposed to sound way better. There is no hits or classics to take place in dre's discography.
Missionary is not as good as we all expected but there is an integrity, concept, even there are fillers no skips and there are a few hits and bangers.
To me its Missionart >>>> Compton. However both are under dre's standarts.
u think missionary is better mixed and mastered than compton?
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Can't stand either. Guess Im more stuck in the 90s than Infinite ;D
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there are hundred albums better than these 2 albums ..so who cares ;..only old dr dre fans
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there are hundred albums better than these 2 albums ..so who cares ;..only old dr dre fans
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Played the fuck out of both on release... but ultimately they underwhelmed massively.
Compton Summary:
Overall disjointed - felt like Detox leftovers, merged with experimental Focus/Dem Jointz shit
Standout tracks, Talking to My Diary, All on Me, Medicine Man, Intro
Z-list features that pale in comparison to previous Dre albums - King Mez, Justus, Dem jointz
Snoop features ususally a standout on Dre albums... completely forgettable here
Dre's voice/flow = FAIL
Over-produced
No standout Single/Track
Missionary:
Patchwork album - felt like a mixtape
No usual suspects involved (D.O.C, DPG etc) and it shows
Singles killed the hype
Doesn't BANG on a good system like previous Dre productions :mjcry:
The Sting song - :dead:
Dem Jointz, Gangsta Pose - :dead:
Some great moments - Hard Knocks, Sticcy Situation, Now or Never
Generic ghost writers - Only Snoop album that didn't have one good quotable or memorable lyrics.
Snoops delivery great but sounded forced with cut and paste lines
Over-produced, album made by committee
I probably appreciate Compton more for what it was, and am more disappointed in Missionary for what it wasn't.
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Played the fuck out of both on release... but ultimately they underwhelmed massively.
Compton Summary:
Overall disjointed - felt like Detox leftovers, merged with experimental Focus/Dem Jointz shit
Standout tracks, Talking to My Diary, All on Me, Medicine Man, Intro
Z-list features that pale in comparison to previous Dre albums - King Mez, Justus, Dem jointz
Snoop features ususally a standout on Dre albums... completely forgettable here
Dre's voice/flow = FAIL
Over-produced
No standout Single/Track
Missionary:
Patchwork album - felt like a mixtape
No usual suspects involved (D.O.C, DPG etc) and it shows
Singles killed the hype
Doesn't BANG on a good system like previous Dre productions :mjcry:
The Sting song - :dead:
Dem Jointz, Gangsta Pose - :dead:
Some great moments - Hard Knocks, Sticcy Situation, Now or Never
Generic ghost writers - Only Snoop album that didn't have one good quotable or memorable lyrics.
Snoops delivery great but sounded forced with cut and paste lines
Over-produced, album made by committee
I probably appreciate Compton more for what it was, and am more disappointed in Missionary for what it wasn't.
you didn't like "last dance with mary jane", "thank you", "fire"?
there's no dpg or doc but there are method man and sam sneed on 3 productions.
but yes, over produced, unnecessary beat switches, wrong singles killed the hype..
it's not snoop's fault at all. dre will make productions like this as long as he doesnt get rid of ICU.
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there are hundred albums better than these 2 albums ..so who cares ;..only old dr dre fans
which is the majority of this forum
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Missionary By far. I prefer snoop rapping than dre rapping. And i read about paste and copy . Thats all dre's rap career behind the mic. I liked only 3 songs in compton. And dre sounded like he wanted to be in the sound on the moment whan compton came out. Missionary as is flow but not as much as Compton. And remember at that time we wanted detox. Not ComptoN. Compton as no replay value for me. With Missionary they are past their prime so the for me they were less expectation.
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Missionary.
I love Dre's rapping (prior to compton). I love his voice and I think he commands the mic. When I heard Compton, I was like "WTF?"
I couldn't even tell when it was dre rapping, and the first few listens through I couldn't even recognize the other west coast features.
Compton is possibly the biggest disappointing album ever for me.
At least with Missionary snoop had a pretty good flow and I enjoyed some of the songs. Now Missionary was also very disappointing but I gave it more spins than compton.
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you didn't like "last dance with mary jane", "thank you", "fire"?
there's no dpg or doc but there are method man and sam sneed on 3 productions.
but yes, over produced, unnecessary beat switches, wrong singles killed the hype..
it's not snoop's fault at all. dre will make productions like this as long as he doesnt get rid of ICU.
I loved 'Thank You' and the Sneed/Meth contributions.
Also enjoyed ‘Mary Jane’ and ‘Fire’ but they’re not tracks with much replay value (imo) and feel out of place on the album.
For me Missionary just seemed manufactured... that was my biggest issue with it. Whereas Doggystyle, Chronic and even later albums like No Limit top Dogg felt organic.
Listen to the Clipse new album, that sounds organic. Like they created that shit with Pharrell from top to bottom and the beats mesh flawlessly with Pusha and Malice's lyrics and topics.
Missionary sounds like jam sessions cut and pasted together. Snoop has to take some fault because according to Dre said he wasn’t fully locked in during the making of it.
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I only liked a few songs on Compton. I like most on Missionary. I don't like too many features on an album, especially by these new boring artists.
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Both TRASH
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Compton has so many problems to be fixed. Mastering issue, wack fillers, lots of skips, no integrity, even my favorite song "all in a days work" has potential but they couldnt arrenge and mix it the way it was supposed to sound way better. There is no hits or classics to take place in dre's discography.
Missionary is not as good as we all expected but there is an integrity, concept, even there are fillers no skips and there are a few hits and bangers.
To me its Missionart >>>> Compton. However both are under dre's standarts.
I’m shocked 😳
The album has no filler, in fact, there were a lot of solid leftover tracks that Dre played on that radio station he had at that time on Apple what was it called was it Beats1? But they used to play a lot of exclusive leftover Dre material on that show for a few months after Compton was released I just can’t remember them all but I will look up some of those leftovers
How can you all not like the Premier and Anderson Pak cut?!? Anderson Pak and Justus and Mez — those guys crushed everything they were on!!
Premier track was 10 out of 10
Game’s “Another Day” was 10 out of 10 and lifted the film as well
“Talking to my Diary” was 10 out of 10 and lifted the film as well.
“Deep Water” was 10 out of 10 and I’m not even a big Kendrick fan but his verse was spectacular
Bone remake “Love of Money” was 10 out of 10 that track was bananas
You guys are crazy… I don’t how you all didn’t like this masterpiece. Just to prove I’m being objective I will say I wasn’t that impressed with Jon Conner but or that Snoop or Cube joint but it’s not like those joints were wack or filler—they were still dope and produced to perfection
Ya’ll are crazy…
I don’t even like new music, like Rubin said I’m still stuck in 96’. But even I thought Compton was a perfect album
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I’m shocked 😳
The album has no filler, in fact, there were a lot of solid leftover tracks that Dre played on that radio station he had at that time on Apple what was it called was it Beats1?
But they used to play a lot of exclusive leftover Dre material on that show for a few months after Compton was released I just can’t remember them all but I will look up some of those leftovers
How can you all not like the Premier and Anderson Pak cut?!? Anderson Pak and Justus and Mez — those guys crushed everything they were on!!
Premier track was 10 out of 10
Game’s “Another Day” was 10 out of 10 and lifted the film as well
“Talking to my Diary” was 10 out of 10 and lifted the film as well.
“Deep Water” was 10 out of 10 and I’m not even a big Kendrick fan but his verse was spectacular
Bone remake “Love of Money” was 10 out of 10 that track was bananas
You guys are crazy… I don’t how you all didn’t like this masterpiece. Just to prove I’m being objective I will say I wasn’t that impressed with Jon Conner but or that Snoop or Cube joint but it’s not like those joints were wack or filler—they were still dope and produced to perfection
Ya’ll are crazy…
I don’t even like new music, like Rubin said I’m still stuck in 96’. But even I thought Compton was a perfect album
that part
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I tried to listen to Compton 3 or 4 times and never enjoyed anything on it.
Missionary is enjoyable to bump but I must admit that half the time I just put on the instrumentals when I'm doing work
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Missionary hands down for me.
Still bumping Hard Knocks, Skyscrapper, Gunz n Smoke,Shangri-La, Sticcy Situation & Pressure.
A lot of people might be disappointed because of the high expectations of a Dre Produced Snoop album but beats Compton for me easily.
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I’m shocked 😳
The album has no filler, in fact, there were a lot of solid leftover tracks that Dre played on that radio station he had at that time on Apple what was it called was it Beats1? But they used to play a lot of exclusive leftover Dre material on that show for a few months after Compton was released I just can’t remember them all but I will look up some of those leftovers
How can you all not like the Premier and Anderson Pak cut?!? Anderson Pak and Justus and Mez — those guys crushed everything they were on!!
Premier track was 10 out of 10
Game’s “Another Day” was 10 out of 10 and lifted the film as well
“Talking to my Diary” was 10 out of 10 and lifted the film as well.
“Deep Water” was 10 out of 10 and I’m not even a big Kendrick fan but his verse was spectacular
Bone remake “Love of Money” was 10 out of 10 that track was bananas
You guys are crazy… I don’t how you all didn’t like this masterpiece. Just to prove I’m being objective I will say I wasn’t that impressed with Jon Conner but or that Snoop or Cube joint but it’s not like those joints were wack or filler—they were still dope and produced to perfection
Ya’ll are crazy…
I don’t even like new music, like Rubin said I’m still stuck in 96’. But even I thought Compton was a perfect album
Genocide, issues, just another day, for the love of money, satisfiction are songs i always skip.
its all on me, good song but, something missing.
all in a days work, fucking good song, it could have been better.
darkside/gone is a banger. both songs.
one shot one kill is a good filler. its a good song.
animals is a classic to me.
medicine man, hmmm, something missing again.
talking to my diary, good song, we all agree.
thats what i think about the album overall, there are few good songs but thats it. its so messy, its so dem jointz, its so focus.., its so non-dre for me.
Aftermath compilation beats Compton compilation soooo bad for me. i never go back and listen to any stuff from "compton" but i still keep listening to songs from aftermath compilation.
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“Compton” by far…“Missionary” was so disappointing that I have no desire to revisit it
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Both albums have flaws.
Compton has almost no laidback funk vibe - it is a fucking skyzo panic experience and has a lot of horrible tracks- talk about it, genocide, satisfiction. It is just too much going on: vocally and beatwise.
Missionary has a more laidback funk vibe/ 70’s early 80’s blaxploitation. But it has outta da blue and thank you which kill the vibe of it as a full album - both are utterly wack to me. I hate ‘watermelon fantasy’ and i hate that punjabi bollywood arpeggio and both hooks.
Compton - 2 great tracks stay on repeat for 10 years now. (All on me and Diary).
And about 2/3 ok joints i still enjoy every now and then. (Animals, Darkside, For the love of money)
Missionary - 4 great tracks on repeat (Hard Knocks, Skyscrapers, Sticky Situation, Now or never).
And about 4/5 ok joints (Intro/Shangri la, Fire, Negotiator, Another part of me, Gorgeous/Mary Jane).
The missionary instrumentals are a nice addition.
Missionary wins.
Only snoop lost his touch with the olympics, the trump support and the mediocre last album. Has he really become a clown?
I would definetly bump a Compton instrumental lp though, i think without the vocals it would be more accessable to listen to.
And Dre should release a Relapse instrumental album, so a great rapper like Rakim, Masta Ace, AG or so can get the chance to murder those beats, and put some proper hooks on it.
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I like Compton better I thought it had better replay value. Although to be fair to missionary I haven’t gone back to give it another chance yet
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I like both albums but like others said they both have their flaws and Dre's voice on Compton put's me off, sounds so forced like he's constipated.
Snoop sounds really good on Missionary and to me the album is more cohesive where Compton sounds messy and probably would have benefited from cutting the track list down.
Snoops album could have used more DPG/Death Row features and Dre's album would have been better without King Mez, Justus and Dem Jointz.
Compton starts off really bad and chaotic with Talk About It where Missionary slides straight into a smooth track with Shangri-La.
Both albums have some greats tracks but if I have to choose one for me it's Missionary.
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I actually rate the Compton Soundtrack very highly. And I dont even like Kendrick Lamar.
Missionary was WACK!.
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Bone remake “Love of Money” was 10 out of 10 that track was bananas
It was originally a Yomo & Maulkie beat with Jewell on the hook that BTNH re-did.
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COMPTON!
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G a r b a g e
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I guess between these two, Compton has it beat; 2 songs to 0. I feel like I've been let down by so many Snoop albums that this release wasn't so much of a disappointment to me.
THe Compton album sort of caught me by surprise by how bad I thought it was. Production-wise, it's fine. What you would expect from Dre but his vocals were just atrocious. The K. Dot's influence on this album, the voice inflections. Overall, just didn't feel like a cohesive album.
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Between these 2, I probably would say Compton, but that's a hard choice
1. Compton was disappointing, Missionary was not
2. Dre sounds terrible on Compton, he sorta got his normal voice back on Missionary
3. The Compton mixing is horrible. I think it's been pointed out before, but the album is somewhat hard to listen to. It was the first time Dre mixing has been shit, and while Missionary has similar problem, it's still better
4. Justus and King Mez are fucking amateurs that ruined Dre's comeback with their shitty writings. There hasn't been worse ghostwriters for Dre than these 2
5. Talk about it legit might be the worst thing Dre ever rapped on, behind only INAD
6. Snoop features on Compton were completely wasted, while Dre appearances on Missionary were fine
Buut.....
Despite not liking the album when it came out, I ended up enjoying it years later lol. The problems I had with it are still there (mixing still horrible, Dre voice is fucked up etc etc) but the album has some nice vibe to it (not the laid-back type of vibe tho) that I can't explain and it's kinda nostalgic to me at this point (takes me back to a simpler times too), the features are more interesting and it introduced me to Paak, and the album overall is more cohesive.
Missionary was alright, some tracks on it are much better than most shit on Compton, but the album lacks direction and it sounds like a bunch of random tracks thrown together, and while it was cool to hear Meth, 50 and Dre with Snoop, some features didn't make sense. Overall the album doesn't have no vibe to it.
Although Snoop and Dre sound better on it than they did on Compton.
So it's probably Compton for me.
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the mixing on compton is way better than missionary
while compton is super bright, it wasn't sonically weak
still had thick low end, poppin instrumentation, big sound
missionary was not only overly bright, but super thin overall as well
it's night n day
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Both have similar problems
The difference is Missionary doesn't make your ears bleed and you can at least hear the drums having more weight than Compton
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Both have similar problems
The difference is Missionary doesn't make your ears bleed and you can at least hear the drums having more weight than Compton
naah .. the drums bang harder on compton .. and the bass isn't super thin and underwhelming like it is on missionary
could be your system and how u got your settings.. generally speaking, the beats on missionary sound way smaller
the main issue with compton is that i felt the vocals coulda used a little more de-esser ... but i thought that was on purpose to keep the lyrics sharp ala stadium music
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I like both albums but like others said they both have their flaws and Dre's voice on Compton put's me off, sounds so forced like he's constipated.
Snoop sounds really good on Missionary and to me the album is more cohesive where Compton sounds messy and probably would have benefited from cutting the track list down.
Snoops album could have used more DPG/Death Row features and Dre's album would have been better without King Mez, Justus and Dem Jointz.
Compton starts off really bad and chaotic with Talk About It where Missionary slides straight into a smooth track with Shangri-La.
Both albums have some greats tracks but if I have to choose one for me it's Missionary.
“Talk About It” was a perfect jump off… because we’d been anticipating a Dre solo for over a decade and it didn’t seem real, like is it really happening, it was surreal…
So first it starts off with Mez some unknown cat so the anticipation was just building and building and then Dre’s voice comes in almost like part of the beat or like another Med verse—so that moment when it hits you that it’s Dre, that was shock ⚡️ value for me!!
I thought it was perfect… “I just bought California!” Cause he’d just made the beats 🎧 deal.
It’s a hype track to set off the album with the right energy.
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talk about it threw me off at first
but i grew to appreciate it
all on me, all in a days work, darkside/gone, loose canons, genocide, deep water, for the love of money, satisfiction, animals, talking to my diary
all instant classix
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naah .. the drums bang harder on compton .. and the bass isn't super thin and underwhelming like it is on missionary
could be your system and how u got your settings.. generally speaking, the beats on missionary sound way smaller
the main issue with compton is that i felt the vocals coulda used a little more de-esser ... but i thought that was on purpose to keep the lyrics sharp ala stadium music
I'm far from the only one who had this problem tho, it's been one of the main criticism since day one
And I tried to play it on many different systems... everything sounds so sharp and make your ears hurt, the drums and bass are basically nonexistent... and again, MANY people had that same issue which has never happened with any of Dre's music so I guess it wasn't just me and my systems
The first time I was playing it I thought my headphones were broken so I played some other songs and they sounded completely fine
Even tho I don't like outta da blue, at least you can totally feel and hear the BOOM BOOM BOOM it makes when the songs starts, it has more weight than on any song on Compton. The problem with missionary is that it's way too overproduced like most of Dre's modern music, but I don't recall having a problem with the way drums and bass sound
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I'm far from the only one who had this problem tho, it's been one of the main criticism since day one
And I tried to play it on many different systems... everything sounds so sharp and make your ears hurt, the drums and bass are basically nonexistent... and again, MANY people had that same issue which has never happened with any of Dre's music so I guess it wasn't just me and my systems
The first time I was playing it I thought my headphones were broken so I played some other songs and they sounded completely fine
Even tho I don't like outta da blue, at least you can totally feel and hear the BOOM BOOM BOOM it makes when the songs starts, it has more weight than on any song on Compton. The problem with missionary is that it's way too overproduced like most of Dre's modern music, but I don't recall having a problem with the way drums and bass sound
go read the discussion threads again .... compton was actually praised for its mixing in real time .. missionary was questioned sonically from the jump .... people thought it was an upload mistake online and that the CD would sound better lol (unfortunately, it was the same masters on the cd)
the sibilance on compton is definitely on the harsher side compared to his previous work .... but the music overall sounds bigger and the layers have life
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Eh. I guess I prefer Missionary. But that's like saying, I'd rather get punched in my right eye, rather than getting punched in my left eye. I really don't like either album. Compton is the most boring sleep inducing Dre-produced album ever. Missionary at least has a few okay-ish songs.
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Dre needs to stop with the high pitched Kendrick flow where he goes fast/slow every verse. Bring back the deeper voice and the more deliberate flow from Chronic and Chronic 2001. Dunno what happened to him that changed his voice so much but his rapping has been terrible ever since.
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Dre needs to stop with the high pitched Kendrick flow where he goes fast/slow every verse. Bring back the deeper voice and the more deliberate flow from Chronic and Chronic 2001. Dunno what happened to him that changed his voice so much but his rapping has been terrible ever since.
When was the last time Dre used that flow?
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Compton is a very big, brash ambitious album that is like a compilation and has a lot going on. One thing it's not is boring, and there's certainly some gold on there like All On Me, Talking to my Diary, Loose Cannons and the intro (Dr. Dre always does great intros for his albums).
But in a way that's the thing that grates the most - it's so loud and in your face and hyped up that it barely leaves you time to draw breath and process the album. There's none of that laid-back gangsta rap that Dre had on his previous albums, and the biggest gripe like others have said is Dre's forced voice and flow clearly influenced by hanging with Kendrick Lamar too often.
I remember taking a dedicated trip to go pick up Compton and listening to it on the way home I really didn't know what to make of it, sonically it was, and is amazing, but getting finished listening to it on that first day I was somewhat underwhelmed and disappointed that it didn't sound how I wanted and expected it to sound. I think like others have said, if this was someone else's album we would be raving about it still but naturally we hold Dr. Dre to higher standards when it comes to his music. But I still revisit the album here and there and enjoy it when I do.
With Missionary, I would say it's more cohesive than Compton and Snoop sounds great on it, but with it billed as a successor to Doggystyle, I was honestly expecting a bit more gangsta shit and traditional west-coast sounding Dre beats and legacy Death Row/N.W.A family-tree guests on the album than we got. But in the end we got a more mature-sounding Snoop album (which I should have seen coming to be honest) but one which lacked the excitement and bounce of some of Snoop and Dre's previous work together.
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Compton is a very big, brash ambitious album that is like a compilation and has a lot going on. One thing it's not is boring, and there's certainly some gold on there like All On Me, Talking to my Diary, Loose Cannons and the intro (Dr. Dre always does great intros for his albums).
But in a way that's the thing that grates the most - it's so loud and in your face and hyped up that it barely leaves you time to draw breath and process the album. There's none of that laid-back gangsta rap that Dre had on his previous albums, and the biggest gripe like others have said is Dre's forced voice and flow clearly influenced by hanging with Kendrick Lamar too often.
I remember taking a dedicated trip to go pick up Compton and listening to it on the way home I really didn't know what to make of it, sonically it was, and is amazing, but getting finished listening to it on that first day I was somewhat underwhelmed and disappointed that it didn't sound how I wanted and expected it to sound. I think like others have said, if this was someone else's album we would be raving about it still but naturally we hold Dr. Dre to higher standards when it comes to his music. But I still revisit the album here and there and enjoy it when I do.
With Missionary, I would say it's more cohesive than Compton and Snoop sounds great on it, but with it billed as a successor to Doggystyle, I was honestly expecting a bit more gangsta shit and traditional west-coast sounding Dre beats and legacy Death Row/N.W.A family-tree guests on the album than we got. But in the end we got a more mature-sounding Snoop album (which I should have seen coming to be honest) but one which lacked the excitement and bounce of some of Snoop and Dre's previous work together.
Funk was severely missed from both albums. Those infectious melodies that draw you into the best Dre beats are pretty much non-existent in both Compton and Missionary. The beats for Gorgeous and Sticcy Situation came close but that’s about it.
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if Compton was someone else's album we would be raving about it still
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Compton was tremendous .. the main issue people had was that they expected a continuation of the 2001 sound and got something totally different
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When was the last time Dre used that flow?
The last song I felt like he still had that semi-original Dre flow was "Talking to My Diary". Which you could tell that song was a leftover from Detox, before he went in the Compton direction. He had a little slower swagger to his rhymes, and a slightly deeper cadence.
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Missionary. Both not great
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The last song I felt like he still had that semi-original Dre flow was "Talking to My Diary". Which you could tell that song was a leftover from Detox, before he went in the Compton direction. He had a little slower swagger to his rhymes, and a slightly deeper cadence.
Now or Never Dre sounds like his normal self
Outta da blue Dre sounds like Dre, no Kendrick flow
I mean it's no surprise given that the guy who was writing for him back in 2002 wrote these songs too
Compton Dre sucks because JT and King Mez are trash ghostwriters and their style doesn't fit Dre at all
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probably the 1 negative that I would have on "Compton" would be Dre's sped up flow...but that's not even on every track
Snoop was definitely the highlight for me on "Missionary" but everything else from the production to the songs themselves were subpar...If you asked me what my favorite track on it is I couldn't tell you, that's how unmemorable it was
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Music for me marks time. I was going through a lot of personal bullshit and stress around the time Compton came out and listening to that album over and over kinda helped me keep my mind off of shit so that alone will have Compton in a special place for me so it would be hard for me to say anything bad about Compton. Sure it's not a Chronic or 2001 bu I still enjoy the shit. As for Missionary, I enjoy that album as well. Some of y'all were expecting a Doggystyle 2 or some shit which 25 years later doesn't make since to me. I'm a little older probably than a lot of cats on here and actually from LA so maybe my expectations and ears are a lil different than most. I was 18 fresh out of high school when Doggystyle dropped so at my age and the age of Dre and Snoop, this is what is welcomed in my opinion. I don't want Snoop to pull old Game (rappin about running through LA gangbangin on every song like Documentary 2) I like it for what it is. I think Dre and company's production was high end, layered, and attention to detail in the tracks that has always been Dre's touch. For those that say ot lacks that low end, I don't know, I'm a headphone junky I listen to it on a lot of high end headphones as well as a nice system in the car so the bass is there for me. I think Jimmy should have been kept from the creative decision making as I feel he'd responsible for the inclusion of some of those songs that don't fit like Thank You, Outta the Blue, and the song with Sting. If I had to pick, I'm going with Compton
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Speaking of Compton, do you think Westside Gunn was out of line or valid? https://hiphopdx.com/news/westside-gunn-rips-dr-dres-album-compton/
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Music for me marks time. I was going through a lot of personal bullshit and stress around the time Compton came out and listening to that album over and over kinda helped me keep my mind off of shit so that alone will have Compton in a special place for me so it would be hard for me to say anything bad about Compton. Sure it's not a Chronic or 2001 bu I still enjoy the shit. As for Missionary, I enjoy that album as well. Some of y'all were expecting a Doggystyle 2 or some shit which 25 years later doesn't make since to me. I'm a little older probably than a lot of cats on here and actually from LA so maybe my expectations and ears are a lil different than most. I was 18 fresh out of high school when Doggystyle dropped so at my age and the age of Dre and Snoop, this is what is welcomed in my opinion. I don't want Snoop to pull old Game (rappin about running through LA gangbangin on every song like Documentary 2) I like it for what it is. I think Dre and company's production was high end, layered, and attention to detail in the tracks that has always been Dre's touch. For those that say ot lacks that low end, I don't know, I'm a headphone junky I listen to it on a lot of high end headphones as well as a nice system in the car so the bass is there for me. I think Jimmy should have been kept from the creative decision making as I feel he'd responsible for the inclusion of some of those songs that don't fit like Thank You, Outta the Blue, and the song with Sting. If I had to pick, I'm going with Compton
documentary 2 >>>>>> missionary
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Sonically, like if you listen through headphones, mixing wise, I'd have to give it up to Missionary. - The Mix (Missionary - The Winner)
As far as features, I'd have to give it to Missionary. Some of the features I got bored of fast on Compton. - The Features (Missionary - The Winner)
As far as song structure, I feel Compton was the better album. - Song Structure (Compton - The Winner)
As far as beats, Compton is the better album. - Beats (Compton - The Winner)
Song concepts, I'd have to give this up to Compton for the story telling like songs. - Song Concepts - (Compton - The Winner)
As far as what would be received better commercially, I'd have to pick Snoop due to mainstream features. - Commercial Reception (Missionary - The Winner)
Better album overall. Compton would be the better album for me seeing as most of Missionary is a skip for me. - Overall Album (Compton - The Winner)
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documentary 2 >>>>>> missionary
You sound nutts but opinions are opinions.
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documentary 2 >>>>>> missionary
1000% 8)
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You sound nutts but opinions are opinions.
i sound nuts?
make the poll lol
i promise you that documentary 2 has much higher acclaim
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i sound nuts?
make the poll lol
i promise you that documentary 2 has much higher acclaim
Quik's Grove is an amazing song off that album, that one song is better than anything Missionary or Compton. Too bad Suga Free was originally on it (can still hear him in the ad libs) and Game put himself in the first verse and tried to rap just like him. Should've kept Free on the first verse, and had Game do the last one.
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i sound nuts?
make the poll lol
i promise you that documentary 2 has much higher acclaim
Missionary is a new album. compton aged, but missionary hasnt yet.
you can compare documentary 2 and compton. both aged already.
both missionary and compton dissapointed fans when they came out. so people's reaction to missionary is just so new. let it age and then make a poll.
in time people be more fair to missionary i think like they do to compton today.
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Missionary is a new album. compton aged, but missionary hasnt yet.
you can compare documentary 2 and compton. both aged already.
both missionary and compton dissapointed fans when they came out. so people's reaction to missionary is just so new. let it age and then make a poll.
in time people be more fair to missionary i think like they do to compton today.
the reception on this forum to compton was actually better when it first dropped than it is now
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documentary 2 >>>>>> missionary
Shiiit the doc 2/2.5 was better than both these albums combined
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i sound nuts?
make the poll lol
i promise you that documentary 2 has much higher acclaim
Nobody I know is checking for a Game album. He can rhyme but he's too generic as a rapper. He doesn't have his own identity. That whole album was him hoping he can appeal to the people instead of being true to himself and hoping for the best. He's the equivalent of a dude on Instagram posing in certain angles or posing in front of nice cars oflr stacks of cash to get likes. At least on Missionary and Compton they tried shit as an artist.
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Nobody I know is checking for a Game album.
go check the thread again
documentary 2 and 2.5 were both loved in real time
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go check the thread again
documentary 2 and 2.5 were both loved in real time
That's good for the thread but I'm talking about eel life. Nobody I know fucks with dude's music and haven't for awhile.
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That's good for the thread but I'm talking about eel life. Nobody I know fucks with dude's music and haven't for awhile.
everybody was fuckin wit those albums when they dropped
u can check the reviews .. its ok to have a difference of opinion homie... but u came in here acting like i was the one saying something contrary to the general consensus lol
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go check the thread again
documentary 2 and 2.5 were both loved in real time
i was fucking with 2.5 which has better beats and more west coast vibe.
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That's good for the thread but I'm talking about eel life. Nobody I know fucks with dude's music and haven't for awhile.
It was ten 10 years ago, people still cared about Game back then and the album did like 400k+ andgot good reviews which was good for a irrelevant rapper
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If I had to choose between Missionary and Compton, I choose Missionary. But that's like asking if I would prefer to eat a bowl of shit or drink a bottle of piss. Both options are awful.
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Before Missionary came out, there were several interviews with people from Dre's circle who were saying the stuff Dre and Snoop are doing with Missionary was some of the best stuff they've ever heard and was going to change the game. Wait til you hear it, like monumental type beats and songs. I'd love to go back and ask these same people: Is this the album you were talking about?? This is the groundbreaking sound you were referring to?" Or were there way better songs that never got released they were talking about? Or is it typical "Dre inner circle" talk where they're all just a bunch of Dre dickriders who can't form their own unbiased opinion?
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MISSIONARY
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Interesting debate. I voted Missionary (not by a massive margin, I'll add)
Compton had some tracks which I genuinely thought were horrible, I cannot stand the messy noise of Talk About It. I remember the first time I heard it and I was like wtf is this noisy shite.
Having said that, there are some very good tracks - the same others have picked up on (Diary, All on me, Animals - all sound like Detox tracks to me) and then some pretty good tracks which I do enjoy. But as others have said, Dre's Kendrick written raps don't suit him at all and it makes a lot of the tracks sound unpleasant to me.
Missionary was also a complete let down, but I think overall it sounds better (despite the terrible Outta Da Blue which I genuinely thought was going to get a different beat when it first leaked). Much more of "the sound", but it needed West Coast features and the 50/Em/Snoop collab was also a total letdown on that beat
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The Chronic
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I like both, but Snoop got that Jelly Roll song, and I realy don’t like that fat white boy, but that 1 song realy sounds dope!
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I like both, but Snoop got that Jelly Roll song, and I realy don’t like that fat white boy, but that 1 song realy sounds dope!
JellyRoll the producer >
The Chronic
:laugh:
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The Chronic
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It's neck and neck in the polls!
Both of them releases has upset people, title could of also been 'WHICH DO YOU HATE MORE?' :P
Best songs by Dre on some his last Aftermath releases :
Compton - Talking To My Diary
GTA, The Contract - Fallin Up
The Death of Slim Shady - Lucifer
Casablanco - Wet
Missionary - Thank You
That's a dope E.P. right there.
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Thank you is horrible, complete shit from the jump!.
Hard Knocks & Prssure sound more like an actual Snoop & Dre track.
Thank you should have been never made OR deleted after first listen in the studio.
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Thank You's gospely hook suck's, but that beat is snappin.
Hard Knocks is dope and Pressure is a banger.
What ever Dre fully releases next, it will not sound like Compton or Missionary (or The Chronics :( )
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i think people initially thought thank you was dope because we heard that "thangs just ain't the same for gangstas" throwback on drink champs, blended in wit the classic dre guitars
but when it actually came out, it was a letdown
vocals was loud in the mix.. low end wasn't on that dre standard .. guitars were drowned out by the siblance instead of hugging the vocals .... very disappointing, as that was the song i was looking forward to when i heard the snippet
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Unlike Compton, Missionary and Thank You sounds just fine to me on the speakers on a tech' point.
vocals was loud in the mix.. low end wasn't on that dre standard .. guitars were drowned out by the siblance instead of hugging the vocals ....
But if what you say is correct, how the hell is Dre the perfectionist, his assembled talent of technicians and engineers missing all this?
Making such schoolboy errors? This all started with 'Compton' right?
Are there mistakes like this on The Chronics, Doggystyle, Efil4zaggin etc...or are they perfect?
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Unlike Compton, Missionary and Thank You sounds just fine to me on the speakers on a tech' point.
But if what you is correct, how the hell is Dre the perfectionist, his assembled talent of technicians and engineers missing all this?
Making such schoolboy errors? This all started with 'Compton' right?
Are there mistakes like this on The Chronics, Doggystyle, Efil4zaggin etc...or are they perfect?
naah i thought the mix and master on compton was excellent
just a different style .. more focus on vocal prominence, but the music still sounded big .. it just differed from the darker sound of 2001
but the mixing and mastering on missionary was way below the dre standard .. and my theory is that the divorce leading up to the aneurism affected him in a big way
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How do you think the other two recent Dre projects performed on a mix/master point, GTA The Contract and Casablanco?
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How do you think the other two recent Dre projects performed on a mix/master point, GTA The Contract and Casablanco?
GTA was weak too .. i remember people thought that it was mixed/mastered poorly on purpose because of the video game concept being that these were demos or some other stupid shit lol
casablanco seemed ok ... sounded good enough .. but nothing mind blowing like your typical dre level mix/master
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naah i thought the mix and master on compton was excellent
just a different style .. more focus on vocal prominence, but the music still sounded big .. it just differed from the darker sound of 2001
but the mixing and mastering on missionary was way below the dre standard .. and my theory is that the divorce leading up to the aneurism affected him in a big way
Funny thing is focus who mixed compton with dre even said that he agrees with fans that mastering fucked it up and he even complain about it.
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Thank you is horrible, complete shit from the jump!.
Hard Knocks & Prssure sound more like an actual Snoop & Dre track.
Thank you should have been never made OR deleted after first listen in the studio.
To me thank you is the only hit song of the album. Its the only dr.dre production which sounds like a dre production in last 15 years.
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Funny thing is focus who mixed compton with dre even said that he agrees with fans that mastering fucked it up and he even complain about it.
sounds to me like a typical insecure response
someone says your work isn't what they want to hear.. the person in question deflects blame.. "it wasn't us it was the mastering engineer! i even said so before we turned it in!!!"
but the same person who mastered compton also mastered 2001 and missionary (brian gardner)
and the mastering falls on the producers too.. because the producer guides the mastering engineer on how he wants the final master to sound...
compton was high on sibilance, no doubt .. to me, it sounded like a conscious decision from dre to focus on vocal clarity ala stadium music .. that vocal prominence that doesn't blend in with the beat is very popular in music today
u hear it in missionary too... but in missionary, it's not just vocal prominence with high sibilance, because to make matters worse the music sounds small on top of that
the issues with missionary went beyond mastering .. it was the mix, first n foremost
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as much as I don't enjoy Compton on the whole it's still better than Missionary.
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GTA was weak too .. i remember people thought that it was mixed/mastered poorly on purpose because of the video game concept being that these were demos or some other stupid shit lol
casablanco seemed ok ... sounded good enough .. but nothing mind blowing like your typical dre level mix/master
haha yes i remember that! When the songs came out and were mixed so poorly, people were saying "That's Dre's brilliance, the theme of the game is they were stolen demos, so he purposely left them poorly mastered and unfinished to fit the theme of the game, the man is a genius" And of course that wasn't the case at all.
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If only Missionary's production was handled by Death Row rather than ICU, imagine if Dre was involved in IZ IT A CRIME or Sophisticated Crippin (which shits on 3/4 of Missionary)
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Both albums have about 5-6 tracks I like and the rest is disappointing to me now. I can’t really say I prefer one or the other. I own both on vinyl and the one thing I will say is Missionary definitely sounds better on record than it does on DSP sonically.
I’m interested in what Dre does next.
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Missionary is better imo - Im listening to it reguarly along with Is it a crime,
I liked Compton, but I have to be in a certain mood to listen to it.
The production is quite busy and brash at times with lots going on and choppy effects, so it's not an 'easy' listening experience.
Missionary has more traditional drum pattens and production that's that's more natural to the ear.
The raps on Missionary I find much much better. Like many, I don't like Dre's modern flow and cadence.
Snoop hasn't sounded this good in a good while and it carried through on 'Is it a crime' (which the first 5/6 songs were dope).
I think that the fact Missionary was a much shorter album really worked in it's favour.
I agree with the comments that the production on both albums are a bit bright/cold and lack warmth, bass and melodies.
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i pick Compton over Missionary...but the issue is the team Dre is working with. Lack of creativity/uniqueness in the beats. A lot of it is just boring.