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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: Jay_J on January 06, 2026, 03:16:01 PM
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"Same cats standing in the way of the documentary cuz the truth is in it."
Follower asks: is it Dre?
"Def not helping but it’s a G.O.D thing on mine so I don’t expect it."
Follower responds: I hope it sees the light of day. I take you and Dre's paths ain't aligned anymore?
"I don’t think most of those cats were ever aligned wit me. But I was walking GODs path."
Follower asks: Did the rise of the old-school in '24 and '25 with the Mass Appeal albums and all gave you new inspiration to a certain extend? I am curious about that.
"Busta Rhymes heard my new joints and talk shit to me for two hours for not releasing music.
When your brothers tell you it’s time you get crunk."
Follower asks: OG did you work on missionary?
"I sat around but them boys felt like they didn’t need my help. They were wrong."
Follower asks: is it true that dre ever told you dont rap, you dont sound good, they think you are the king you should go out like that.
"Unfortunate facts"
Follower responds: you still gave him the chronic
"Gave it. And got nothing back but that advice."
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These OG’s don’t give a fuck about airing out issues now in their twilight years.
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Damn he is pissed
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What he got back for writing the Chronic is that Dre financed his coke addiction for 5+ years
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I mean... can you blame Dre for the rapping part? This was after the car accident so it isn't like Dre was wrong for thinking that.
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I mean... can you blame Dre for the rapping part? This was after the car accident so it isn't like Dre was wrong for thinking that.
Heltah Skeltah was ill.
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Heltah Skeltah was ill.
Agree! I think DOC's voice was unique and crazy during that time, definitely could've had some dope albums produced around that unique sound. Heltah Skeltah was a great album.
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Agree! I think DOC's voice was unique and crazy during that time, definitely could've had some dope albums produced around that unique sound. Heltah Skeltah was a great album.
Dre simply didnt want DOC to be around but Why?
Why buy him out from Ruthless in de first place?
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it is first time i see DOC aiming shots at Dre directly in public by not hesitating at all.
lately he finished a documentary but somehow for more than a year he can't take it to any theaters or digital platforms.
also he keeps mentioning he is working on some solo rap project for long time.
seems like he wants some support from dre to make them happen but dre is not supporting or helping and he got stucked and feels pissed off.
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without the D.O.C there would be no Chronic, Doggystyle etc...they definitely would not have been what they were without his involvement...but as far as the rapping goes Dre is right he does not sound good...I bought Heltah Skeltah when it came out and it was dope but his voice sounded terrible
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Follower asks: OG did you work on missionary?
"I sat around but them boys felt like they didn’t need my help. They were wrong."
Instead of writing lyrics and songs the proper and tested way with a pad and pen, Dre told D.O.C to shut the fuck up and go sit in a corner whilst he played silly freestyle rhyme games in the studio with his new ghost-writers (lackeys), then made Snoop punch that shit in word for word like for a whole year, Dogg sounded like a robotic A.I. rappin with no soul or meaning -
Erick Sermon Credits Dr. Dre With Influencing Him To Stop Writing Down His Lyrics
"We don't do that here," Sermon was told of writing lyrics on paper.
“I put another beat on and he calls Snoop over,” Sermon remembered. “Snoop been working on the records that I did. Then I come back and Dre is working on the record that he rapped on. So I said, ‘Yo, let me rap on that. Let me do your style how you rhyme and how you put your records together.’”
However, when Sermon pulled out a pad to begin penning lyrics, he was informed that writing rhymes was not part of Dre and his songwriters’ workflow, with one writer telling him “We don’t do that here.”
According to Sermon, the experience would forever alter the manner in which he creates music, opting to come up with lyrics off the top of his head rather than writing them down.
“Dre would say the cadence and then we would all say a rhyme, and then if the rhyme sounds good, then we put that down,” he explained. “So there’s no writing; it’s just 16 bars of whatever your freestyle may be.”
Where the fuck was the story-tellin? :grumpy:
Maybe Dre's getting D.O.C back for butchering 'Heltah Skeltah'.
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D.O.C. is right. Missionary sucked and i'll go a step further and say Dre's entire production/writing team is a significant step down compared to the pre-Compton years. hell even his mixing is somewhat inconsistent with excessive brightness on many newer records. they can all congratulate themselves in the studio but it's the audience who have the final say whether it's classic or not. too many yes men.
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Dre's musical insecurity makes no sense. There's NEVER been a piece of music that is universally loved and appreciated in the history of rap or any genre. Someone doesn't like 'The Chronic' or '2001', and that's fine. 'Detox' should have been the closing chapter of 'The Chronic'.
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Those folks are lost
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6 Jan
Replying to @WESTCOASTDOC
Why we didn’t get The Detox? Did you refuse to write for Dre? Or did he get beside himself?
D.O.C
@WESTCOASTDOC
Wasn’t good enough.
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he really sounds like a hater on twitter so it makes sense
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So the Documentary was made and some peeps even seen it in 2022 for fucks sake, but Dre hatin and blockin it for the rest of us seein it?! Been 4 years already.
What's the real hold up, as it's already been screened @Tribeca.
It's gonna end up that place Dre loves so much...The Vault! (Not the one on this forum :( )
*Death-Row jail cell door slam shut intro sound effect*
Interview about the Doc -
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/the-doc-documentary-interview-1364849/
Reviews from the Festival -
The DOC chronicles the life of the lyricist and producer who wrote for NWA and Dr. Dre, co-founded Death Row Records, mentored Snoop Dogg, and left his mark on Hip Hop culture forever. 30 years after a devastating car crash that took his voice, The DOC is still struggling with his legacy as a rapper with the greatest cadence before West Coast rap exploded in popularity and he considers experimental surgery that might be able to restore his vocals. The DOC explores this risky decision alongside a cast of celebrities who reflect on his impact in their lives and in the world from music, to love, to civil rights crusading.
TRIBECA 2022 | THE DOC Paints A Deeply Inspiring Portrait of a Hip-Hop Legend
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By Alex Papaioannou
Post date
June 14, 2022
In 2022 Tribeca Film Festival
Some of your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper, at one time or another, very well might have been the D.O.C. From the late 80’s onwards, the legacy of the D.O.C. in hip-hop is known, whether listeners fully realize it or not. Having essentially started his music career at the level of an all-star, The DOC is director Dave Caplan’s love letter not only to hip-hop, but to one of the most underappreciated people to ever pick up a microphone. Yet very quickly into his career, tragedy ensued that unfortunately stole the one thing he felt he was put on this planet to use: his voice. Fast forward to 30 years later, Caplan’s documentary finds not D.O.C. the rapper, but Tracy Curry the man, struggling to make a choice. With surgery, there is a possibility that Curry would have his voice repaired. As all-time legends of hip-hop speak on his legacy in music and the impact he has had on lives around the world, Curry grapples with the possibility of getting back to a life he thought was long gone. Yet as the documentary shows, it is no easy matter. Happily married with children and working with civil rights activists, Curry’s journey has come to a fork in the road, and The DOC invites viewers onto this intimate journey of both looking back at all that has happened, and importantly, all that will happen next.
Perhaps what Caplan’s documentary does best is that it only touches on the tragedy which affected Curry’s voice briefly. It provides enough information to those who may not have been aware of what occurred, but never treads too far into making the documentary solely about that. Instead, it uses the majority of its runtime as a celebration to hip-hop and to a seminal figure in West Coast rap. Without the D.O.C., some of the biggest rappers of all time simply might not exist; And when you see the number of individuals speaking on this, this statement is very clearly anything but hyperbole. To Snoop Dogg, one of the most iconic figures not just in music, but in pop culture, the D.O.C. is a mentor. To Dr. Dre, the first hip-hop billionaire and one of, if not the, greatest producer to ever live, the D.O.C. is a brother. To Eminem, one of the best-selling artists of all time, the D.O.C. is an artist whose penmanship that to this day, has still perplexed him. So much so, that Eminem practically begs him to break down a verse that he has clearly had committed to memory for decades. As all these artists come together to discuss the artform they are clearly so passionate about, Caplan’s documentary becomes a deeply moving piece about legacy.
Equating himself to the biblical Samson, whose hair gave him strength until it was unjustly stolen from him, Curry grapples with the devastating turn his life took at just 21 years old. Having known exactly what it was that he wanted to do from early on in life, how would anybody face the reality of it being ripped away in the blink of an eye? Curry, as well as his friends and family, discuss the sometimes dark paths he walked along the way, and how that affected both his career and his relationships. Still, even with this darkness, The DOC is proof that Curry had a tenacity to continue moving forward, even in the face of so much adversity. When he realized he could still write music for others, his focus shifted. “I can’t be the G.O.A.T., so you’re going to be the G.O.A.T.,” said Curry when bringing together the team that would go on to create Doggystyle and make up the bulk of Death Row Records. Dogg believes that while Curry was a pivotal reason for his success, working together in turn “gave his mentor a reason to live”.
So while the D.O.C. could no longer rap physically at the level he strived for, his shift towards other endeavors signals the ideals of a man unwilling to give up. Upon meeting and having a child with Erykah Badu, Curry became content with leaving his rapping life behind in light of a new purpose: being a father. Early on in the documentary, Dr. Dre discussed how bringing the D.O.C. from Dallas to Los Angeles created a notable shift in the sound of N.W.A. And if this documentary serves any purpose, it’s to indicate the necessary quality that is one’s ability to work within whatever life throws at them. For Curry, who has shifted himself to work best within the hands he has been dealt, it is clearly rough. Yet he continuously shows himself to be a deeply humble man who is willing to accept these shifts, now three decades removed from the accident. And now, when he is given the chance to perhaps make one final shift, his entire life comes into question about what comes next.
This has been “33 years of a path I had to walk”, says Curry, as he mulls over what should be done. Ultimately, the choice falls on him as to whether he should get the surgery that has a 60–70% chance of repairing his voice. Nevertheless, he still goes to his friends and family for advice on what to do. And speaking matter-of-factly, the opinions range, but one thing is for certain: they all sincerely mean it from the bottom of their heart. The last third of Caplan’s documentary are utterly heartwarming and tear-inducing as we are shown a man simply looking to his loved ones for advice. To have such optimism as Curry does even amidst all that he has gone through is deeply inspiring, and in that regard, The DOC is massively successful at detailing a hip-hop legend who worked behind the scenes far longer than he ever did in the limelight. As Curry speaks to children at the school he first performed at, it’s clear that whatever choice he decides to make, it will be his own, and he seems to be most grateful for that opportunity more than anything else.
The DOC celebrated its world premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival. Tickets for screenings and more information on the film can be found right here.
https://tribecafilm.com/films/doc-2022
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World Premiere
The DOC
Spotlight+
Feature | United States | 94 MINUTES | English
Documentary, Music, Biography
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Director Dave Caplan’s directorial debut is a love letter and inspirational hip hop archive about The DOC a master of the art who is more than likely your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper. The film chronicles the life of the lyricist and producer who wrote for NWA and Dr. Dre, co-founded Death Row Records, mentored Snoop Dogg, and left his mark on HipHop culture forever. 30 years after a devastating car crash that took his voice, The DOC is still struggling with his legacy as a rapper with the greatest cadence before WestCoast rap exploded in popularity and he considers surgery that might be able to restore his vocals. The DOC explores this risky decision alongside a cast of celebrities who reflect on his impact in their lives and in the world from music, to love, to civil rights crusading.
The film is a time capsule of the passion and purpose behind hip hop music in the 90s, especially within the social and political contexts of LA. Stories of falling in love with Erykah Badu and creating other meaningful relationships with giants in the rap game make for an emotional experience that will comfort both HipHop heads and pop-culture enthusiasts.--Shakira Refos
After the Premiere Screening: A special birthday performance for The DOC by DJ Quik, Das, Kurupt, & surprise guests.
Cast & Credits
Directed by Dave Caplan
Director
Dave Caplan
Producer
Gary Ousdahl, The DOC, Dave Caplan
Cinematographer
Thom McCallum
Composer
Kyle Townsend
Editor
Kevin Barth
Executive Producer
Brent Mack
Co-Producer
Mike Chehade
Line Producer
Julie Lawrence
Cast
The DOC, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Snoop Dogg, Erykah Badu, Ice Cube, Xzibit, Too $hort, Kurupt, Daz, Tone Loc, DJ Yella, Jewell, Dr. Rock, Peter Johnson, Dr. Peter Belafsky, Puma Curry, Shella Curry, Charles Curry, Para Henderson, Michelle Henderson, Tonya Heard, Erotic D, John Payne, Lonzo.
Shady praises The D O Ceeee...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npCuHVwLFLI
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D.O.C. is right. Missionary sucked and i'll go a step further and say Dre's entire production/writing team is a significant step down compared to the pre-Compton years. hell even his mixing is somewhat inconsistent with excessive brightness on many newer records. they can all congratulate themselves in the studio but it's the audience who have the final say whether it's classic or not. too many yes men.
It's not really a step further, pretty much everyone been saying it for years. People didn't fuck with Compton, Oxnard and Missionary, his mixing been criticized for more than 10 years now....
It's also crazy how he kept this ICU team for 13 years now, which is longer than any of his previous musicians before them.
Also I don't think any of them are yes men, I believe they actually think music they make is great.
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It's not really a step further, pretty much everyone been saying it for years. People didn't fuck with Compton, Oxnard and Missionary, his mixing been criticized for more than 10 years now....
It's also crazy how he kept this ICU team for 13 years now, which is longer than any of his previous musicians before them.
Also I don't think any of them are yes men, I believe they actually think music they make is great.
yeah they think they are all genius.
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damn shame
DOC was one of dre's last loyalists
now he sounds like RBX did 30 years ago
the documentary been complete for a while now .. i just think no one wants to pick it up and put money behind it so that's why he's mad
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Dre simply didnt want DOC to be around but Why?
Why buy him out from Ruthless in de first place?
He wanted DOC around for writing and input, but wanted him to stay behind the scenes. Some don't mind being background players. DOC did it for a long time, but now he wants to move up a bit with this movie and possibly a new album and Dre doesn't want that.
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He wanted DOC around for writing and input, but wanted him to stay behind the scenes. Some don't mind being background players. DOC did it for a long time, but now he wants to move up a bit with this movie and possibly a new album and Dre doesn't want that.
D.O.C. isn't signed to Dre so if that's what he wants he can go ahead and do it
he just wants more support from Dre which he isnt getting- a common theme with unprofitable legends affiliated with iconic superstars
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D.O.C. isn't signed to Dre so if that's what he wants he can go ahead and do it
he just wants more support from Dre which he isnt getting- a common theme with unprofitable legends affiliated with iconic superstars
I was gonna say, i'm not sure how Dre is 'blocking' this like people are saying. Now Dre might not give DOC permission to use Dre footage or songs, but the documentary can still be released without those aspects.
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https://www.doccares.org/copy-of-test-album
https://www.youtube.com/@docmedianetwork
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dre is a business man. he never put money for just friendship.
he told his brother warren-g to fly with his own wings.
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"I sat around but them boys felt like they didn’t need my help. They were wrong."
He's not wrong here.
Also re Detox - the Mark Bateson collab years for me, was peak Detox. That 2003-2008 or so era. That was the prime time to release Detox, but he gave all his banging beats to 50 Cent, Game, Raekewon, Busta Rhymes etc.
On another note, the DOC is in the UK soon and doing a screening of his doc in a small hip hop bar in Brixton. I assumed it must be coming out soon...
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No real friendships in rap. All fake. All business. Not profitable? Bye.