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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on January 23, 2026, 11:18:20 PM
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What more could you want? You got Bird in this game. You got Rodman (killin the boards)! You got Isiah and Dumars in their last great win in a big game defeating McHale and a young Reggie Lewis (RIP) and Dee Brown (Reebok Pump dunk champ)!!! Vintage late 80's and 90's NBA BASKETBALL DOESN'T GET BETTER THAN THIS!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H06kuEsYWjk
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reggie lewis was becoming a problem in the league
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imo Larry Legend doesn't get enough credit
all this talk about Curry being the best shooter ever come from people who never saw Larry Bird
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imo Larry Legend doesn't get enough credit
all this talk about Curry being the best shooter ever come from people who never saw Larry Bird
larry is one of the greatest ever and better than curry overall
but curry is still the goat shooter
perhaps if larry played in this era it would be a different story ... the 3 point shot wasn't as prevalent in the 80s and larry actually went 4 seasons shooting sub 30% from three
but larry in his prime was definitely up there
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larry is one of the greatest ever and better than curry overall
but curry is still the goat shooter
perhaps if larry played in this era it would be a different story ... the 3 point shot wasn't as prevalent in the 80s and larry actually went 4 seasons shooting sub 30% from three
but larry in his prime was definitely up there
no doubt but Larry was doing it against teams like the bad boys, the Lakers etc...shooting percentages weren't as high back then because everyone played tough defense
not taking anything away from Curry his range is ridiculous but he has done it in an offensive era
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no doubt but Larry was doing it against teams like the bad boys, the Lakers etc...shooting percentages weren't as high back then because everyone played tough defense
not taking anything away from Curry his range is ridiculous but he has done it in an offensive era
the difference is the release
steph has a very quick release so he can get it off much faster, and his release point allows him for more range
but yes, stats are inflated nowadays .. defense is weak and offense is protected
regardless, as far as form, mechanics, release, range.. nobody fuckin wit steph
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the difference is the release
steph has a very quick release so he can get it off much faster, and his release point allows him for more range
but yes, stats are inflated nowadays .. defense is weak and offense is protected
regardless, as far as form, mechanics, release, range.. nobody fuckin wit steph
Yeah, as much as I’m a fan of old school NBA I have to say Steph really took whatever the old school guys like his father had done and updated, elevated, and improved it.
Bird had that great high release where he started his motion above his head and that was an advantage over Steph, but Steph expanded on using different angles and looks at the basket and moved his whole generation deeper beyond the arc
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Yeah, as much as I’m a fan of old school NBA I have to say Steph really took whatever the old school guys like his father had done and updated, elevated, and improved it.
Bird had that great high release where he started his motion above his head and that was an advantage over Steph, but Steph expanded on using different angles and looks at the basket and moved his whole generation deeper beyond the arc
his father was one of my favorite non Knick players when he was in Charlotte...great range as well
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his father was one of my favorite non Knick players when he was in Charlotte...great range as well
Charlotte had a lot of talent in those years it would’ve been nice to see them put it all together one of those seasons and at least make the ECF, but they were like the Hawks—and seemed to annually get bumped from the playoffs in the first round nearly every year of the Larry Johnson, Zo era…
Poor Mugsy Bowes, such an inspiration to short ballers all over the world giving them hope—yet the guy couldn’t hit a wide open jumper? How can you be only 5’3” and survive in the NBA and you can’t even knock down a wide open jumper?
But they were stacked up to the point of even have solid bench players like Johnny Newman, Kendall Gill and even Curry came off the bench if I remember correct—didn’t they even have Rex Chapman? Chapman is funny for that one game he balled Jordan in but I think he was with a different team then
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Charlotte had a lot of talent in those years it would’ve been nice to see them put it all together one of those seasons and at least make the ECF, but they were like the Hawks—and seemed to annually get bumped from the playoffs in the first round nearly every year of the Larry Johnson, Zo era…
Poor Mugsy Bowes, such an inspiration to short ballers all over the world giving them hope—yet the guy couldn’t hit a wide open jumper? How can you be only 5’3” and survive in the NBA and you can’t even knock down a wide open jumper?
But they were stacked up to the point of even have solid bench players like Johnny Newman, Kendall Gill and even Curry came off the bench if I remember correct—didn’t they even have Rex Chapman? Chapman is funny for that one game he balled Jordan in but I think he was with a different team then
yeah Chapman was drafted by Charlotte when they were an expansion team...I remember him being traded to the Bullets afterwards by the early 90s
Johnny Newman was also a Knick early in his career 8)
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yeah Chapman was drafted by Charlotte when they were an expansion team...I remember him being traded to the Bullets afterwards by the early 90s
Johnny Newman was also a Knick early in his career 8)
What about Kendall Gill?
The Hornets were an expansion team that benefited from a lot of high draft picks. They were able to grab a lot of talented guys from college, Kendall Gill never really maxed out his potential, but early in his career they thought he was going to be an All-Star level player.
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What about Kendall Gill?
The Hornets were an expansion team that benefited from a lot of high draft picks. They were able to grab a lot of talented guys from college, Kendall Gill never really maxed out his potential, but early in his career they thought he was going to be an All-Star level player.
gill had all the hype
kinda crazy he never made an all-star team
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gill had all the hype
kinda crazy he never made an all-star team
What about Kendall Gill?
The Hornets were an expansion team that benefited from a lot of high draft picks. They were able to grab a lot of talented guys from college, Kendall Gill never really maxed out his potential, but early in his career they thought he was going to be an All-Star level player.
yeah he was on that final four team at Illinois with Nick Anderson… good player but never really reached his potential
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yeah he was on that final four team at Illinois with Nick Anderson… good player but never really reached his potential
he had 2 seasons where he averaged 20+ PPG
seems like he shoulda made all-star at least once
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he had 2 seasons where he averaged 20+ PPG
seems like he shoulda made all-star at least once
competition was tough in those days
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yeah he was on that final four team at Illinois with Nick Anderson… good player but never really reached his potential
Exactly. I liked College Basketball in those days (but I wasn't an expert). And it was always interesting to see the difference between those talented type of guys like Kendall Gill who were good and we knew them from college, but never maxed out potential in a way that guys like Scottie or Dennis did. And you can't say it was a case of being on a bad team or bad coaching, because he played in Charlotte. And again, these guys were good and we liked them, they just never maxed out.
Just for fun, I'll make a little list of my favorite 90's Kendall Gill types. The guys who were great college players, and we were fans of them in the NBA, but they never maxed out their potential...this is not a list of busts like Clarence Weatherspoon. This is list of guys that we liked in the NBA but just a cut under the top tier. I numbered them but the order doesn't matter, this is just the order they came to mind..
1. Derrick Coleman - there was a rumor that the Bulls wanted him in 1995, but it didn't work out, so they ended up picking up Dennis Rodman to fill that void at PF. Can you imagine what that would have looked like Derrick with Michael and Scottie? But mentally, he didn't seem like a good fit
2. Brian Williams - Very interesting guy. I think he died, there was some crazy story about his post-NBA career. He was actually drafted in the top 10. He struggled early in his career and the Bulls were able to pick him up for basically nothing to help them in their 1997 Playoff Run. And there he was with Michael and Scottie--and he would be the go-to guy for a series coming off the bench!! He'd be an animal!! Like, taking his man one-on-one in the post, crashing the boards! He really was a difference maker in their 1997 Playoff Run. Obviously, not a star, but he was a key role player. He was also an intriguing guy with the Denver Nuggets. The guy certainly showed flashes but never maxed out.
3. Christian Laettner - Guy hit the most legendary shot in college. He played on the Dream Team. He had a solid NBA career, but wasn't a star like he was in college. This is a little too obvious, everyone knows his story. But ultimately he did play on some good teams like the Hawks, so there is no excuse for why he didn't become a star, but at the same time, I don't think you can blame him for not becoming a star, because the guy lived and breathed basketball and did everything to prepare, but at the end of the day he was a white boy trying to battle with guys like Shaq and Rodman in the post. Not an easy task.
4. Doug Christie - He had that nice run with the Kings when they battled the Lakers in the WCF but he couldn't hit the big shots to put them over. Webber, Bibby, Bobby Jackson, even Bobby Jackson off the bench--he was behind those guys.
5. Jamal Mashburn - He was one of those guys they even tried to claim would be a "next Jordan".
6. Brian Grant - This guy battled Shaq to try to put the Blazers over in 2000 and couldn't get it done. He was way over-matched by Shaq, but he was drafted in top 10 and expected to be a star but he was a weak link when the Blazers needed him most. Good, but never good enough.
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Exactly. I liked College Basketball in those days (but I wasn't an expert). And it was always interesting to see the difference between those talented type of guys like Kendall Gill who were good and we knew them from college, but never maxed out potential in a way that guys like Scottie or Dennis did. And you can't say it was a case of being on a bad team or bad coaching, because he played in Charlotte. And again, these guys were good and we liked them, they just never maxed out.
Just for fun, I'll make a little list of my favorite 90's Kendall Gill types. The guys who were great college players, and we were fans of them in the NBA, but they never maxed out their potential...this is not a list of busts like Clarence Weatherspoon. This is list of guys that we liked in the NBA but just a cut under the top tier. I numbered them but the order doesn't matter, this is just the order they came to mind..
1. Derrick Coleman - there was a rumor that the Bulls wanted him in 1995, but it didn't work out, so they ended up picking up Dennis Rodman to fill that void at PF. Can you imagine what that would have looked like Derrick with Michael and Scottie? But mentally, he didn't seem like a good fit
2. Brian Williams - Very interesting guy. I think he died, there was some crazy story about his post-NBA career. He was actually drafted in the top 10. He struggled early in his career and the Bulls were able to pick him up for basically nothing to help them in their 1997 Playoff Run. And there he was with Michael and Scottie--and he would be the go-to guy for a series coming off the bench!! He'd be an animal!! Like, taking his man one-on-one in the post, crashing the boards! He really was a difference maker in their 1997 Playoff Run. Obviously, not a star, but he was a key role player. He was also an intriguing guy with the Denver Nuggets. The guy certainly showed flashes but never maxed out.
3. Christian Laettner - Guy hit the most legendary shot in college. He played on the Dream Team. He had a solid NBA career, but wasn't a star like he was in college. This is a little too obvious, everyone knows his story. But ultimately he did play on some good teams like the Hawks, so there is no excuse for why he didn't become a star, but at the same time, I don't think you can blame him for not becoming a star, because the guy lived and breathed basketball and did everything to prepare, but at the end of the day he was a white boy trying to battle with guys like Shaq and Rodman in the post. Not an easy task.
4. Doug Christie - He had that nice run with the Kings when they battled the Lakers in the WCF but he couldn't hit the big shots to put them over. Webber, Bibby, Bobby Jackson, even Bobby Jackson off the bench--he was behind those guys.
5. Jamal Mashburn - He was one of those guys they even tried to claim would be a "next Jordan".
6. Brian Grant - This guy battled Shaq to try to put the Blazers over in 2000 and couldn't get it done. He was way over-matched by Shaq, but he was drafted in top 10 and expected to be a star but he was a weak link when the Blazers needed him most. Good, but never good enough.
derrick coleman, christian laettner, jamal masburne all became all-stars. never superstars, but also didn't necessarily underwhelm ... dough christie overperformed and even became an all-defense guy- remember, defense is 50% of the game and christie was sacramento's best defender
clarence weatherspoon actually had a better career than brian williams- had some 20-10 seasons with philly, but overall fizzled out pretty quick .. brian grant was a solid big- a double double dude who performed as expected
good to see u got some 90s nba knowledge .. its a good time to get back into the best sport in the world homie
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derrick coleman, christian laettner, jamal masburne all became all-stars. never superstars, but also didn't necessarily underwhelm ... dough christie overperformed and even became an all-defense guy- remember, defense is 50% of the game and christie was sacramento's best defender
clarence weatherspoon actually had a better career than brian williams- had some 20-10 seasons with philly, but overall fizzled out pretty quick .. brian grant was a solid big- a double double dude who performed as expected
good to see u got some 90s nba knowledge .. its a good time to get back into the best sport in the world homie
It's not "some" 90's NBA knowledge, I'm actually an expert on 90's NBA, and I'm not done yet, I still watch old games on youtube and study the 90's game regularly even now in 2026. I was just speaking from my own feeling and memory 1990's style (because otherwise every discussion could just be ended by saying "Google It")
So yeah this was just my own memory of guys that who were fun to watch and star potential but were never top tier. But you are right about your more nuanced assessment of these guys. Good point about Christie being a defensive specialist. But Dennis was the only guy that was able to become get superstar attention without scoring the basketball. Charles Oakley maybe was another guy you have to say maxed out potential and was a prime time guy without scoring the basketball. Mutumbo also (though Mutumbo could score). And all 3 of those guys I mentioned rebounded, but Christie just a defensive specialist. Apparantly Spoon did have some big seasons, maybe just not for a long enough period or for a notable team.
Just playing in an All-Star game doesn't make a player a star. It is a significant achievement but I wasn't making that my exact benchmark.
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Exactly. I liked College Basketball in those days (but I wasn't an expert). And it was always interesting to see the difference between those talented type of guys like Kendall Gill who were good and we knew them from college, but never maxed out potential in a way that guys like Scottie or Dennis did. And you can't say it was a case of being on a bad team or bad coaching, because he played in Charlotte. And again, these guys were good and we liked them, they just never maxed out.
Just for fun, I'll make a little list of my favorite 90's Kendall Gill types. The guys who were great college players, and we were fans of them in the NBA, but they never maxed out their potential...this is not a list of busts like Clarence Weatherspoon. This is list of guys that we liked in the NBA but just a cut under the top tier. I numbered them but the order doesn't matter, this is just the order they came to mind..
1. Derrick Coleman - there was a rumor that the Bulls wanted him in 1995, but it didn't work out, so they ended up picking up Dennis Rodman to fill that void at PF. Can you imagine what that would have looked like Derrick with Michael and Scottie? But mentally, he didn't seem like a good fit
2. Brian Williams - Very interesting guy. I think he died, there was some crazy story about his post-NBA career. He was actually drafted in the top 10. He struggled early in his career and the Bulls were able to pick him up for basically nothing to help them in their 1997 Playoff Run. And there he was with Michael and Scottie--and he would be the go-to guy for a series coming off the bench!! He'd be an animal!! Like, taking his man one-on-one in the post, crashing the boards! He really was a difference maker in their 1997 Playoff Run. Obviously, not a star, but he was a key role player. He was also an intriguing guy with the Denver Nuggets. The guy certainly showed flashes but never maxed out.
3. Christian Laettner - Guy hit the most legendary shot in college. He played on the Dream Team. He had a solid NBA career, but wasn't a star like he was in college. This is a little too obvious, everyone knows his story. But ultimately he did play on some good teams like the Hawks, so there is no excuse for why he didn't become a star, but at the same time, I don't think you can blame him for not becoming a star, because the guy lived and breathed basketball and did everything to prepare, but at the end of the day he was a white boy trying to battle with guys like Shaq and Rodman in the post. Not an easy task.
4. Doug Christie - He had that nice run with the Kings when they battled the Lakers in the WCF but he couldn't hit the big shots to put them over. Webber, Bibby, Bobby Jackson, even Bobby Jackson off the bench--he was behind those guys.
5. Jamal Mashburn - He was one of those guys they even tried to claim would be a "next Jordan".
6. Brian Grant - This guy battled Shaq to try to put the Blazers over in 2000 and couldn't get it done. He was way over-matched by Shaq, but he was drafted in top 10 and expected to be a star but he was a weak link when the Blazers needed him most. Good, but never good enough.
some names I haven't heard in a minute...of those you listed I liked Coleman the most...great rebounder at Syracuse and was a number one pick
he would've been a bad fit in Chicago you're right, he was a little selfish offensively in the NBA...Rodman was the perfect player doing all the dirty work and couldnt care less about his points
Mashburn was a good solid player but injuries had gotten to him early on in his career...still he came back and put up 20 plus I think his last few years in the league
I remember Christie was being compared to Scottie Pippen by some local NBA writers...we got him from the Lakers and he ended up always being injured...had a nice career afterwards though
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It's not "some" 90's NBA knowledge, I'm actually an expert on 90's NBA, and I'm not done yet, I still watch old games on youtube and study the 90's game regularly even now in 2026. I was just speaking from my own feeling and memory 1990's style (because otherwise every discussion could just be ended by saying "Google It")
So yeah this was just my own memory of guys that who were fun to watch and star potential but were never top tier. But you are right about your more nuanced assessment of these guys. Good point about Christie being a defensive specialist. But Dennis was the only guy that was able to become get superstar attention without scoring the basketball. Charles Oakley maybe was another guy you have to say maxed out potential and was a prime time guy without scoring the basketball. Mutumbo also (though Mutumbo could score). And all 3 of those guys I mentioned rebounded, but Christie just a defensive specialist. Apparantly Spoon did have some big seasons, maybe just not for a long enough period or for a notable team.
Just playing in an All-Star game doesn't make a player a star. It is a significant achievement but I wasn't making that my exact benchmark.
todays up and coming stars
Luka Doncic
SGA
Cade Cunningham
Anthony Edwards
Wemby
all worth watching closely
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Exactly. I liked College Basketball in those days (but I wasn't an expert). And it was always interesting to see the difference between those talented type of guys like Kendall Gill who were good and we knew them from college, but never maxed out potential in a way that guys like Scottie or Dennis did. And you can't say it was a case of being on a bad team or bad coaching, because he played in Charlotte. And again, these guys were good and we liked them, they just never maxed out.
Just for fun, I'll make a little list of my favorite 90's Kendall Gill types. The guys who were great college players, and we were fans of them in the NBA, but they never maxed out their potential...this is not a list of busts like Clarence Weatherspoon. This is list of guys that we liked in the NBA but just a cut under the top tier. I numbered them but the order doesn't matter, this is just the order they came to mind..
1. Derrick Coleman - there was a rumor that the Bulls wanted him in 1995, but it didn't work out, so they ended up picking up Dennis Rodman to fill that void at PF. Can you imagine what that would have looked like Derrick with Michael and Scottie? But mentally, he didn't seem like a good fit
2. Brian Williams - Very interesting guy. I think he died, there was some crazy story about his post-NBA career. He was actually drafted in the top 10. He struggled early in his career and the Bulls were able to pick him up for basically nothing to help them in their 1997 Playoff Run. And there he was with Michael and Scottie--and he would be the go-to guy for a series coming off the bench!! He'd be an animal!! Like, taking his man one-on-one in the post, crashing the boards! He really was a difference maker in their 1997 Playoff Run. Obviously, not a star, but he was a key role player. He was also an intriguing guy with the Denver Nuggets. The guy certainly showed flashes but never maxed out.
3. Christian Laettner - Guy hit the most legendary shot in college. He played on the Dream Team. He had a solid NBA career, but wasn't a star like he was in college. This is a little too obvious, everyone knows his story. But ultimately he did play on some good teams like the Hawks, so there is no excuse for why he didn't become a star, but at the same time, I don't think you can blame him for not becoming a star, because the guy lived and breathed basketball and did everything to prepare, but at the end of the day he was a white boy trying to battle with guys like Shaq and Rodman in the post. Not an easy task.
4. Doug Christie - He had that nice run with the Kings when they battled the Lakers in the WCF but he couldn't hit the big shots to put them over. Webber, Bibby, Bobby Jackson, even Bobby Jackson off the bench--he was behind those guys.
5. Jamal Mashburn - He was one of those guys they even tried to claim would be a "next Jordan".
6. Brian Grant - This guy battled Shaq to try to put the Blazers over in 2000 and couldn't get it done. He was way over-matched by Shaq, but he was drafted in top 10 and expected to be a star but he was a weak link when the Blazers needed him most. Good, but never good enough.
Going to add a bit more to this list.
7. John Wallace is another guy. He was one of my favorite college players.
8. I also loved Stacey Augmon's game. He played above the rim, blocking shots, lockdown defense. Part of that phenomenal Larry Johnson UNLV team that could've probably beaten some NBA teams.
9. Oliver Miller - so talented, to be a big man who could move, who could score. He just had that weight problem. But that was the peak of College Basketball when you had guys like Oliver Miller and Scotty Thurman at Arkansas
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oliver miller died recently BDE
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Going to add a bit more to this list.
7. John Wallace is another guy. He was one of my favorite college players.
8. I also loved Stacey Augmon's game. He played above the rim, blocking shots, lockdown defense. Part of that phenomenal Larry Johnson UNLV team that could've probably beaten some NBA teams.
9. Oliver Miller - so talented, to be a big man who could move, who could score. He just had that weight problem. But that was the peak of College Basketball when you had guys like Oliver Miller and Scotty Thurman at Arkansas
Syracuse legend John Wallace...also played for the Knicks
yeah those Runnin Rebel teams with Tark were unbelievable...Knick legend Greg Anthony was also on that team 8)
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oliver miller died recently BDE
yeah man that's too bad. His rookie year he was getting minutes over the legendary Tom Chambers! He was puttin it to the Bulls in the Finals and almost put Sir Charles over, if not for Jordan putting on the cape.
RIP
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Syracuse legend John Wallace...also played for the Knicks
yeah those Runnin Rebel teams with Tark were unbelievable...Knick legend Greg Anthony was also on that team 8)
Yeah, I think there's a game on Youtube Arkansas Razorbacks vs. UNLV Runnin Rebels from that Larry Johnson, Greg Anthony, Stacey Augmon team vs. Oliver Miller and Scottie Thurmon and Nolan Richardson's 40 Minutes of HELL full court press!!
These guys are jumping out of the gym!! College basketball will never be better because half of those guys would have gone straight to the NBA after Garnett, Kobe, Jermaine O'neal, and all those other guys started skipping college.
I was a big MU and KU fan in those days (which technically they were rivals). So my guy was Anthony Peeler, a guy who actually played for the Lakers for a bit in the mid-90's. I met him at MU basketball camp and got his autograph the same day I heard, "Dre Day" on MTV top 10 countdown and the whole camp was hollering "Bow-wow-wow-Yipee Yo Yipee Yay" and sporting beanies in the middle of the summer, I was a hip-hop head for life after seeing Snoop's spot on that video
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Yeah, I think there's a game on Youtube Arkansas Razorbacks vs. UNLV Runnin Rebels from that Larry Johnson, Greg Anthony, Stacey Augmon team vs. Oliver Miller and Scottie Thurmon and Nolan Richardson's 40 Minutes of HELL full court press!!
These guys are jumping out of the gym!! College basketball will never be better because half of those guys would have gone straight to the NBA after Garnett, Kobe, Jermaine O'neal, and all those other guys started skipping college.
I was a big MU and KU fan in those days (which technically they were rivals). So my guy was Anthony Peeler, a guy who actually played for the Lakers for a bit in the mid-90's. I met him at MU basketball camp and got his autograph the same day I heard, "Dre Day" on MTV top 10 countdown and the whole camp was hollering "Bow-wow-wow-Yipee Yo Yipee Yay" and sporting beanies in the middle of the summer, I was a hip-hop head for life after seeing Snoop's spot on that video
there's a rule where players can't go to the nba straight out of high school now
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there's a rule where players can't go to the nba straight out of high school now
I really enjoyed college basketball in the 90’s and still watch occasionally but I don’t like that rule…Adam Silver again is guilty of doing too much
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I really enjoyed college basketball in the 90’s and still watch occasionally but I don’t like that rule…Adam Silver again is guilty of doing too much
while i hate adam silvers ways more than the next guy, it was actually david stern who implemented that rule back in 2005
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while i hate adam silvers ways more than the next guy, it was actually david stern who implemented that rule back in 2005
wow its been that long...so Lebron came out in one of the last years of the old rule
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wow its been that long...so Lebron came out in one of the last years of the old rule
yezzir
only 2 drafts after lebron's 03 draft had HS guys
the draft in 05 with andrew bynum was the final one
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while i hate adam silvers ways more than the next guy, it was actually david stern who implemented that rule back in 2005
Stern was a great commissioner. Silver is a "woke" moron.
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Stern was a great commissioner. Silver is a "woke" moron.
stern was good
only blemish on his record was vetoing the chris paul to the lakers trade, which ultimately led to kobe's death
adam silver has made strong efforts to ignore tradition and turn the NBA into a novelty league ... we have so much strong talent and basketball is still objectively the best game with the NBA being the highest level, so it's pretty damn hard to destroy that.. but adam silver is definitely making an effort to ruin it by forcefully putting his stamp on the league.
the move to nbc was a big step in the right direction though.
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stern was good
only blemish on his record was vetoing the chris paul to the lakers trade, which ultimately led to kobe's death
adam silver has made strong efforts to ignore tradition and turn the NBA into a novelty league ... we have so much strong talent and basketball is still objectively the best game with the NBA being the highest level, so it's pretty damn hard to destroy that.. but adam silver is definitely making an effort to ruin it by forcefully putting his stamp on the league.
the move to nbc was a big step in the right direction though.
one thing that has hurt too is the influx of Euros and Euro style play...I know a few friends I grew up with who that is one reason they dislike todays game
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one thing that has hurt too is the influx of Euros and Euro style play...I know a few friends I grew up with who that is one reason they dislike todays game
I also blame Lebron.
You had great characters as the face of the league before Lebron. Magic and Bird had great character. Jordan was the gold standard, classy guy. Shaq and Charles, great sense of humor and great characters to carry the game. Then Kobe had great character, you never caught Kobe acting like a jack-ass. He was a really mature guy, spoke two languages, had solid parenting in his life, came from a good family. The guy not only spoke to the hip-hop culture by dating Brandy and all that, but the guy could actually rap, but wasn't trying to pretend to be hard or any bullshit like that, he was just who he was, and on the court he was as "hard" and solid as anyone in the game, without pretense. He did it with class and character. And all the guys I mentioned were all articulate in interviews and press conferences and didn't speak in sports cliche' or need notes to speak to media.
Then you got woke ass Lebron trying to get political and be Muhammad Ali, but he doesn't have half the character of Ali.
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I also blame Lebron.
You had great characters as the face of the league before Lebron. Magic and Bird had great character. Jordan was the gold standard, classy guy. Shaq and Charles, great sense of humor and great characters to carry the game. Then Kobe had great character, you never caught Kobe acting like a jack-ass. He was a really mature guy, spoke two languages, had solid parenting in his life, came from a good family. The guy not only spoke to the hip-hop culture by dating Brandy and all that, but the guy could actually rap, but wasn't trying to pretend to be hard or any bullshit like that, he was just who he was, and on the court he was as "hard" and solid as anyone in the game, without pretense. He did it with class and character. And all the guys I mentioned were all articulate in interviews and press conferences and didn't speak in sports cliche' or need notes to speak to media.
Then you got woke ass Lebron trying to get political and be Muhammad Ali, but he doesn't have half the character of Ali.
I really cant stand anything about Lebron...I feel about him the way DMX felt about Drake lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsgAY_JALk
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one thing that has hurt too is the influx of Euros and Euro style play...I know a few friends I grew up with who that is one reason they dislike todays game
i wouldn't blame them .. that shit was in check with kukoc sabonis peja dirk pau manu etc
it's bending the rules to accommodate them that's the problem
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I also blame Lebron.
You had great characters as the face of the league before Lebron. Magic and Bird had great character. Jordan was the gold standard, classy guy. Shaq and Charles, great sense of humor and great characters to carry the game. Then Kobe had great character, you never caught Kobe acting like a jack-ass. He was a really mature guy, spoke two languages, had solid parenting in his life, came from a good family. The guy not only spoke to the hip-hop culture by dating Brandy and all that, but the guy could actually rap, but wasn't trying to pretend to be hard or any bullshit like that, he was just who he was, and on the court he was as "hard" and solid as anyone in the game, without pretense. He did it with class and character. And all the guys I mentioned were all articulate in interviews and press conferences and didn't speak in sports cliche' or need notes to speak to media.
Then you got woke ass Lebron trying to get political and be Muhammad Ali, but he doesn't have half the character of Ali.
big facts
not to mention he's a pussy who teamed up with his rivals and destroyed competitive nature in the nba
created inorganic superteams that he could pad his stats on to create a fake goat narrative
woat
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I really cant stand anything about Lebron...I feel about him the way DMX felt about Drake lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsgAY_JALk
DMX was on point in this clip on all the rappers that were brought up. 8)
I guessed he would have said that because you never really heard him try to change his sound or style away from the type of shit that he came up doing. He's a bit like me, and Suge Knight, and other type of cats---trapped in 96!
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i wouldn't blame them .. that shit was in check with kukoc sabonis peja dirk pau manu etc
it's bending the rules to accommodate them that's the problem
in an effort to make the NBA a worldwide league to which they have succeeded they in turn alienated some American fans
I cant blame them though the NBA is a business and they are making tons of money in part due to their global merchandising
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in an effort to make the NBA a worldwide league to which they have succeeded they in turn alienated some American fans
I cant blame them though the NBA is a business and they are making tons of money in part due to their global merchandising
yeah.. and I get annoyed by the political cheer-leading.
Like the Republican side I will see all these posts and claims on Social Media like, "NBA ratings crash, blah blah blah"
And I'm always thinking to myself... then why are player salaries going up? And what about the foreign markets?
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yeah.. and I get annoyed by the political cheer-leading.
Like the Republican side I will see all these posts and claims on Social Media like, "NBA ratings crash, blah blah blah"
And I'm always thinking to myself... then why are player salaries going up? And what about the foreign markets?
The Republican side loves to dump on the NBA and usually I lean right more than left but in this case they're not taking everything into account
and the ratings have picked up this year with the return to NBC
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NBA is doing just fine
they're not NFL status, but they're comfortably second when we factor in global revenue
1.NFL
2.NBA
3.MLB
4.NHL
5.MLS
ratings are way up this year, and streaming + social media engagement is on a fast upward trajectory
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NBA is doing just fine
they're not NFL status, but they're comfortably second when we factor in global revenue
1.NFL
2.NBA
3.MLB
4.NHL
5.MLS
ratings are way up this year, and streaming + social media engagement is on a fast upward trajectory
I'm surprised NFL is number 1 globally -- because if you say the word "football" in the rest of the world--they actually think you are talking about "soccer". You would have better luck saying the word "rugby".
And as for MLB it is huge in Japan. And MLB salaries seem to be hire than NBA and NFL just off the top of my head.
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The Republican side loves to dump on the NBA and usually I lean right more than left but in this case they're not taking everything into account
and the ratings have picked up this year with the return to NBC
I also lean more right than left, but the right does a lot of cheerleading on social media that projects what I think is a false image that their side is winning. Like how they come out with a new story every month about how the "Clintons are in hot water" and it will have a picture taken of them when they had a sad look on their face just because they were bored at an event or an award show or something, and they will be like, "Clinton's deeply concerned about release of Epstein files" and a picture of them with a concerned look on their face. But regular Republicans eat this stuff up like, "Oh man, the Clintons are going down." Then of course nothing happens.
I've never really been that type of guy. My older brother does the same thing when it comes to sports. He will come up with something like, "Ohh man, this player talked trash in the media on Chiefs/Mahomes, they better watch out, Mahomes is gonna be pissed. Mahomes always has his best games after somebody says something."
That's a totally arbitrary and unmeasurable assumption. For all we know, Mahomes has a lot better things to do then worry about what some guy said in an interview back in the offseason. He was out enjoying himself, while fans were sitting around waiting for news.
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I'm surprised NFL is number 1 globally -- because if you say the word "football" in the rest of the world--they actually think you are talking about "soccer". You would have better luck saying the word "rugby".
And as for MLB it is huge in Japan. And MLB salaries seem to be hire than NBA and NFL just off the top of my head.
nba salaries are higher than mlb salaries on average
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nba salaries are higher than mlb salaries on average
by far
weird that the NFL makes the most money and pays their players the least
NBA (Basketball): ~$11.91 million
MLB (Baseball): ~$4.66 million
Premier League (Soccer): ~$4.1 million
NHL (Ice Hockey): ~$3.5 million
NFL (American Football): ~$2.7 million - $3.2 million
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nba salaries are higher than mlb salaries on average
Yeah I was just going off top because I was thinking about how guys like Ohtani (LA) and Bobb Witt (KC) and many others are getting around a half a billion. But I don't doubt that NBA salaries are higher.
Still fits my main point though. I was saying how Republicans (of which I lean more Rep than Dem) bragging about how "ratings are down" and the NBA is failing because of their woke policies--it's just wishful thinking and cheerleading on their part. They aren't taking into account global markets.
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Yeah I was just going off top because I was thinking about how guys like Ohtani (LA) and Bobb Witt (KC) and many others are getting around a half a billion. But I don't doubt that NBA salaries are higher.
Still fits my main point though. I was saying how Republicans (of which I lean more Rep than Dem) bragging about how "ratings are down" and the NBA is failing because of their woke policies--it's just wishful thinking and cheerleading on their part. They aren't taking into account global markets.
theres extremists everywhere
:ohwell:
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if ur playin me, keep it on da low
https://www.youtube.com/v/T0BH9THi0-0?list=RDT0BH9THi0-0