West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TheSheriff on June 15, 2003, 12:29:23 PM
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You all say it's cause at the Row they're lazy etc; at Aftermath, Dre is too much of a perfectionist.
The second is reasonably correct, but is never placed in a context.
With the first, is' because of this:
If Crooked I drops and flops, Death Row will DIE. Suge's a real businessman, whatever else you say. He doesn't wanna risk that. And if it succeeds, Tha Row might rise again, or it might not. Either way, if it succeeds, I will probably leave. And Suge doesn't want that either.
It's not a satisfactory situation for Marion Knight, but it's the best he can salvage until he can scrounge the guts to take a risk in this respect.
Dre has the same problems, except he's paranoid. If Rakim did truly flop (which is VERY unlikely), he has two other artists he can rely upon to sell millions (Em, 50) and severals friends (Snoop, now Warren, as well as Nate etc) who can keep him well regarded.
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rakim will drop and sell well by the end of the year hopefully if he was unhappy he would have left
crooked i will not drop on death row in a year i can see him on doggystyle screamin fuk suge knight death row lol
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Good points, especially the Crooked I situation. I'm not so sure about Rakim though. You said that Rakim is VERY unlikely to flop, which is true in the sense that all the old fans and the hardcore hip-hop heads will undoubtly buy the album, but I think that it's also VERY unlikely that Ra will sell as many units as Em's and 50's records have sold (separately, I mean). Let's face it - to the majority of todays mainstream hip-hop audience Ra is, pretty much, a nobody. He and Dre really need to make that awesome album that they say they're making for Ra to be able to win over the NEW audience and yet again prove why he's the God.
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if u read mellow mans post rakim and dre were happy with the album and gave it to jimmy and he gave it back saying put in some hooks and thats y hes not out yet, with all the hype and time over this record i can't see it not coming out. its not like king t n all the others cos they were never on that level of mc was weather deserved or not.
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I think you mean to say they were never recognized as MCs of the same order as Rakim, whether they deserved to be or not.
If that is the case, I agree. King T is one of my personal favourites.
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i've known this for a while...especially Rakim...also...we'll never see a cube album on aftermath either....all so sad but true
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I KNOW crooked I won't sell, and also I KNOW death row is through. They have NO CHANCE IN HELL to sell. They haven't gone platinum since what, 96, 97?? And we all know that they only sold then because of their roster. Nobody knows or cares about their artists now. Crooked I will be happy to sell 100,000. To tell that truth, I think that Snoop and them dissin Tha Row gives them notariety, which is probly why they do it, just because a big name is dissin them and gettin their name "out there" because half of my homeboys will be like "who is spider locc or eastwood?"
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I dunno bout Better Dayz, which was DR, but UTEOT, which was joint, went Plat eventually.
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I dunno bout Better Dayz, which was DR, but UTEOT, which was joint, went Plat eventually.
iite thats true. but even at that, they haven't gone platinum with rappers that are signed with em now. Goin only platinum with 2pac, and not goin platinum with dpg and snoop is already bad, so how the hell will eastwood sell? Kurupt didn't sell that much when he was solo and still with DPG so without them, he reallllly is nothin.
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*(Not knocking Obie Trice but....)
What is sad...
is the fact that everyone know's both Rakim & Crooked I can shitt on Obie Trice in every which way that can be...but yet they will not be able to sell as much records as he will..I wonder why?
Even tho Ra also has the Dre connection, ImO Obie will triple his unit's, unless Em' litter's his (Ra's) lp with guest shot's like he will on Obie's. (Cause most Em fan's will only buy O.Trice cause of his Shady affiliation)
(Crooked I & Darin Vegas)
Peep's complain about how bad the beats are and wanna hear quality rhymes....
then go and complain about the beat's when the samples drop I.E: "Westcosanostra mix-tape"
and go & overlook the word's.
A million mc's are better and sell less than the "Top" doggs but then again popular and dope are usualy not in the same catagory which also belong's placed in the opinion shelf.
They will drop maybe this year/early next year and will be great cd's ImO..how can they go wrong. easily the most anticipated lp's in years.
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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*(Not knocking Obie Trice but....)
What is sad...
is the fact that everyone know's both Rakim & Crooked I can shitt on Obie Trice in every which way that can be...but yet they will not be able to sell as much records as he will..I wonder why?
Hatesrats 2oooTre
Prolly because Eminem isnt fucking stupid and he knows that when an artist is hot he drops their albums unlike Dre and Death Row who just let these albums sit on the shelf while Crooked I and Rakim become less anticipated.
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Owen ur smart. im out!!!
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I dunno bout Better Dayz, which was DR, but UTEOT, which was joint, went Plat eventually.
u can call em deathrow albums cuz the exe is suge and the logo is on the back BUT that re no really death row albums at all. UTEOT was more deathrow than better days which was not nearly a dr release. there re no dr artists, no dr production.
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I mean Rakim is Rakim he will sell to any real Hip Hop head anyway. But following Tupac, Snoop, Dre, 50 Cent, Eminem....
Do Crooked I and Rakim have in CHARISMA?
Have a think because that's what gets you mainstream success.
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U kiddin? Does 50 have charisma?? Man, he doesnt even open his mouth to rap!
To sell you gots ta have that fucking Shady enterprise behind you no matter if you're dope (like Ra) or wack (like 50) cuz the rap aficionado knows dat, but the general public is STUPID and buys that shit they see on TV.
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I would like to know where yall are getting your infromation, please. can you put up a source?
if not, I think every one should shut the fuck up about how much they think they know about the inside bussiness. I'm not dissing any body in this thread. I'm talking about all of us. we don't know what's going on. and to say that "oh they never comming out" is just stupid cuase we just don't know. only one thing will tell us the answer to these questions. it's not Dre or any body eles. it's TIME
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I am not speaking on Rakim's album cause I don't know anything about that. But I am 99% confident that crook will not drop on the row. In fact I would bet everything I own that he will not drop. If u just put 2 and 2 together you can easily figure that out for yourself. I will explain it to u:
Crook has been signed since 98 or 99, at least 4 years. That is plenty of time to records tons of material. I would not be surprised if he has recorded at least 4 albums worth of material. So crooks record not being finished is not the problem, scratch that out.
So crook has plenty of material ready for release, why doesn't suge put it out? Besides suge knight, crooked I is the only really big thing the row has. Look how long and how much suge has been hyping crooked I and how he is gonna put the row back on top. In fact crooked I is the only artist to stay on the new roster of artists since all the old artists left. Think about all the artists who have been dropped, or left the label since like 97. DR had a hot roster: Dresta, ATL, Swoop G, Mac Shawn, The Relativez, Keita Rock, Lil' C-Style, Crooked I. Crook is the only one left. Not to mention the realest, ygd, vk, milkbone, skg, and all those other artists who are no longer affiliated. Crooked I is the only thing suge has goin for his label and he knows it. If crooked I isn't a huge fucking sucess, blowing up, off the charts, then suge knows his label is done. Dre, Snoop, Daz, all them, they gonna be laughin and lovin it. IMO that would kill suge more than anything. I think he would rather put out old artists album after album, and compilations, and not do so well, rather than let those guys get the last laugh.
So suge has everything riding on crook. Crook is hot right? so whats the problem? Problem is westcoast rap doesn't sell for shit and isn't popular at all unless your name is 2Pac, Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg. I mean stop fuckin kiddin yourselfs, crooked I is not going to sell for shit, and is hardly going to be recognized. When is the last time a westcoast artist other than the 3 mentioned was sucessful in terms of sales and recognition? Probably Xzibit's Restless, and as all of u should know, a lot of that is thanks to Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg. People in general, just are not feeling gangsta rap anymore. They like that stupid bullshit from nelly and ja rule, and they like the stuff eminem does. I mean even snoop almost didn't do well, but then beautiful saved him. What kind of song is beautiful? It ain't gangsta rap, and I doubt it is gonna be the type of shit crooked I records. Hopefully you guys can figure out the rest from here.
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Suge is waiting for Crooked I to make enough material for like ten albums then kill him so he can blow up. I wouldn't put it passed him.
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Crook has been signed since 98 or 99, at least 4 years. That is plenty of time to records tons of material. I would not be surprised if he has recorded at least 4 albums worth of material. So crooks record not being finished is not the problem, scratch that out.
most artists record an album in a matter of weeks so yea 4 or 5 years of him not really doing much promotion or touring etc. he cud of record about 10+ albums by now
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Grundy has great theories....On point for sure.
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crooks album is done, is waitin in the death row locker, like everythin else, its a joke,
rakim will drop cuz if he dont, dre will loose mad rep n he wouldnt do that to a legend like rakim
peace
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Jimmy is the reason. NOONE else ... he wants money ... Like Mellow that: RAKIM IS NOT MAINSTREAM <-- TRUE WORDS
Ra will drop this year!
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Grundy, thanks for agreeing.