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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Woodrow on June 26, 2003, 12:51:00 PM
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Turns out one of England's best footballers can't kick a football. At least not one with pointed ends.
England national goalkeeper David James, among the biggest soccer players in Europe at 6 feet 5 inches and 218 pounds, thought it would be fun to spend a day training with an NFL team. Frankly, he said, it didn't look all that hard.
The NFL, eager to heighten global exposure, was happy to grant James' wish. A dozen British journalists were on hand at Miami Dolphins camp Tuesday morning as James -- dressed in full pads and a No. 1 jersey -- spent nearly four hours working out with kicker Olindo Mare, quarterback Jay Fiedler, receiver James McKnight and defensive back Terrell Buckley.
So how did James do?
• He held his own as a receiver with his leaping ability and excellent hand-eye coordination.
• His passes had distance, but he had trouble throwing a spiral, despite Fiedler's reminders to ``hold it with your fingertips, not your palm.''
• Oddly, James had the most trouble kicking, saying it was ''completely foreign'' to him.
''It's not what I thought it was,'' James said of his NFL experience. ``It's a lot harder. When you see a 25-stone [350-pound] guy actually moving next to you, you realize they're not the dinosaurs they seem on the telly. They're so much faster than they look.''
He was particularly impressed with running back Ricky Williams.
`A TANK'
''The guy is a tank,'' he said. ``I saw him from the back first and he's as wide as he is tall. Nice bloke, as well. You can really see why he's able to do what he does on the field. He let loose on our last sprint and left me in his wake. Don't have anyone like that in England.''
Dolphins players were equally complimentary of James.
''He's a hell of an athlete,'' McKnight said. ``With a little fine-tuning, and some footwork, he could be a good wide receiver. His hand-eye coordination is superb. I could see him doing any sport, dunking a basketball, playing volleyball, long jumping, anything.''
James had looked up the NFL field goal record (63 yards) before his trip and thought ''no big deal''. He can crank a round ball the length of a soccer field, so how hard could a 63-yard field goal be?
Mare, an avid soccer fan and former soccer player, gave the goalkeeper precise instructions on how to strike the oblong ball. But James shanked right on most of his 30-yard field goal attempts, kickoffs and punts. When he finally split the uprights, he beamed.
The Dolphins, except for Mare, had never heard of James. They had no idea he makes $2 million a year. They didn't know he is in the news this summer because his club, West Ham, was relegated from Premiership to First Division and there was question whether that would hurt has status on the national team.
What they do know, after four hours with him, is that he is a world-class athlete. James has the strongest arms among English goalies and is known for preparation and fitness. His physique also caught the eye of Georgio Armani, for whom James has modeled on and off over the past seven years.
''I can't speak for other NFL players, but I have always respected soccer players,'' McKnight said. ``They must be the best conditioned athletes in the world with the amount of running they do. I've always been amazed at their endurance and precision and accuracy with the ball at their feet.''
Asked how he'd do at a West Ham practice, McKnight smiled and replied, ``I'd do fine for one day. It's the second day I'd be worried about.''
Buckley was not as gushing on soccer. Asked to name a soccer player, he thought for a moment and said, ''There's that dude who just signed for $41 million [David Beckham].'' That's where his list ended.
SOCCER EASY?
He suggested to Mare that soccer was easier than football, that ''most of the guys just stand around or jog.'' Mare shook his head and informed his teammate that the average NFL play lasts less than 10 seconds while soccer players are in motion for 45-minute halves with no timeouts or huddles.
Mare then grabbed a soccer ball, and challenged Buckley to defend him. Fat chance. Buckley might be able to tackle a 225-pound receiver on the move and pick off a spiraling football, but stealing a soccer ball from Mare's foot proved harder than he imagined.
Mare, who hasn't played soccer seriously in 14 years, dribbled past Buckley left, right, and center. Both players laughed as Mare made his point.
''These guys wouldn't last in a professional soccer game,'' said Mare, son of an Italian immigrant and huge Juventus fan. ``People here have no idea how hard it is.''
James said the feeling is mutual. ''Back home, there's a misconception that American footballers are really big guys who hurt people,'' he said. ``There isn't an appreciation for their athletic ability. I will set them straight.''
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These guys wouldn't last in a professional soccer game
Got that right
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he cant kick a normal football thats why
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he cant kick a normal football thats why
LoL exactly
Turkey just scored a great goal
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Turns out one of England's best footballers
Lol
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You don't see me posting comments like this:
"he had trouble throwing a spiral"
"James had the most trouble kicking, saying it was ''completely foreign'' to him."
This was a good article that showed the how different the 2 sports are, but how the players respected each other. Why does Jay always gotta bring the penis measurement game into it?
Do you think a soccer player would last in a US football game?
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Stamina wise?
Easy
He'd probably get battered tho
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I wouldn't say that James has excellent hand eye co-ordination, have you seen him on crosses?
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In NFL Europe, a whole bunch of ex soccer players play for Frankfurt.
Also, Vinnie Jones was offered a contract with the Jets as a Cornerback.
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i'm sure a lot of corners and wr's would last in the professional soccer leagues over there in Europe and i'm sure a grip of basketball player would too, get off your high horse jay.
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No wonder he can't kick properly when he's a goalie, and used to kick a NORMAL SHAPED football.. :P
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it's actually A LOT easier to kick our football, all you gotta do is hit the sweat spot real hard.
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I wouldn't say that James has excellent hand eye co-ordination, have you seen him on crosses?
lmao.. Im suprised he was even able to hld the ball without it slipping out of his hand.
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i didn't read that whole article :P
i have a funny anecdote:
when i was in the states we were playing football with PE one day. since i'm european i played a whole lot more soccer. anywayz, we had to kick that football. i never played it before and i kicked the football all the way till the end of the field; waaaaaaaaaay further than all others ;D
also funny was that they had to explain me the rules of football :P
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Stamina wise?
Easy
He'd probably get battered tho
stamina wise, they wouldnt last. Not because they arent athletic enough, but because they dont train for American Football. Its a different sport, and requires different training. Its like that with any sport. You have to train FOR that sport, or else the movements your body makes...arent natural to you, and u tire easily. The most athletic football player, would tire during a soccer game....the most athletic soccer player, would tire during a football game. A football player, would not be used to the constant, non-stop running of soccer. A soccer player wouldnt be used to the having to run around with pads and helmets on(heavier then u think), and gettin lit up by 300lb men on every play.
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exactly i played football in h.s and i was fullback .The pads are a pain in the ass and the helmut is heavy. it's alot harder to run in those pads.
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I've always played cornerback or wr. Like they're all saying, it's damn hard to run in pads, so without the pads, your average wr is probably as fast as most soccer players. They're the only ones who could really "make it" in a soccer team. Them, and cornerbacks, and maybe running backs (the ricky william type of rb)
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I've always played cornerback or wr. Like they're all saying, it's damn hard to run in pads, so without the pads, your average wr is probably as fast as most soccer players. They're the only ones who could really "make it" in a soccer team. Them, and cornerbacks, and maybe running backs (the ricky william type of rb)
^^true...
plus, remember he was saying Ricky Williams blew him away in the strait-away...Williams is far from the fastest player in the NFL though, and probably not even the fastest player on his team.
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I've always played cornerback or wr. Like they're all saying, it's damn hard to run in pads, so without the pads, your average wr is probably as fast as most soccer players. They're the only ones who could really "make it" in a soccer team. Them, and cornerbacks, and maybe running backs (the ricky william type of rb)
^^true...
plus, remember he was saying Ricky Williams blew him away in the strait-away...Williams is far from the fastest player in the NFL though, and probably not even the fastest player on his team.
James is a goalkeeper, he doesnt need to have great speed so any attacking NFL players should beat him easily in a sprint.
im surprised he couldnt kick the ball though.
The view in England of American Football is that it is a very boring game played by fat, overweight people. This of course is a very ignorant view, although there is some truth in it.
i remember in the last super bowl a clip was shown on the TV here many times of a really fat player hardly being able to run, chasing a guy down the line. How this guy was able to make it in a professional sport i will never understand.
Most of the players though are great athletes.
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I've always played cornerback or wr. Like they're all saying, it's damn hard to run in pads, so without the pads, your average wr is probably as fast as most soccer players. They're the only ones who could really "make it" in a soccer team. Them, and cornerbacks, and maybe running backs (the ricky william type of rb)
^^true...
plus, remember he was saying Ricky Williams blew him away in the strait-away...Williams is far from the fastest player in the NFL though, and probably not even the fastest player on his team.
James is a goalkeeper, he doesnt need to have great speed so any attacking NFL players should beat him easily in a sprint.
im surprised he couldnt kick the ball though.
The view in England of American Football is that it is a very boring game played by fat, overweight people. This of course is a very ignorant view, although there is some truth in it.
i remember in the last super bowl a clip was shown on the TV here many times of a really fat player hardly being able to run, chasing a guy down the line. How this guy was able to make it in a professional sport i will never understand.
Most of the players though are great athletes.
you know what though, youd be surprised how FAST some of those "fat guys" are. Alot of them, probably being able to run a 40 faster then a LOT of professional soccer players.
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I dont think so, I guess that the Football playas cant run as fast as soccer playa (exept goalkeeper as the don t need to run), and that the Foot players are not able to run as long soccer playa
But the 2 gamez are cool !
I love Oakland's Raider and San Francisco 49ers ;D
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I dont think any soccer player would make it in american football or vice versa. Learning to play soccer takes years to master and Im sure its the same with american football.
I think Gaelic footballers, or more particularly rugby players would have no problem with the transition because they play with the ball in their hands and have similar training regimes and rugby has the fucked ball too. Ronan O Gara, Irelands number 10 in rugby was being courted by an amer.football team for 12million. He would have no problem kicking but he didnt like the fact he couldnt play for the whole game.
Soccer is a TOTALLY different sport, like saying who's a better runner a sprinter or a marathon runner, theres no answer. I play soccer and gaelic, and Id have the fitness for rugby, but Id get killed on the field coz I wouldnt know how to "play" the game, in every sense of the word.
As for David James.Hahaha. Good article though.
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surely the fucker has played rugby before in his life...or is not the same as kickin a rugby ball!?
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I dont think any soccer player would make it in american football or vice versa. Learning to play soccer takes years to master and Im sure its the same with american football.
I think Gaelic footballers, or more particularly rugby players would have no problem with the transition because they play with the ball in their hands and have similar training regimes and rugby has the fucked ball too. Ronan O Gara, Irelands number 10 in rugby was being courted by an amer.football team for 12million. He would have no problem kicking but he didnt like the fact he couldnt play for the whole game.
Soccer is a TOTALLY different sport, like saying who's a better runner a sprinter or a marathon runner, theres no answer. I play soccer and gaelic, and Id have the fitness for rugby, but Id get killed on the field coz I wouldnt know how to "play" the game, in every sense of the word.
As for David James.Hahaha. Good article though.
It would be hard for a Rugby player to adjust also. But, they would DEFINETELY adjust easier then a soccer player. Thing with American football, every position on the field is VERY different. So the transition from Rugby, would very much depend on what position they would move to in American football. I would look at most Rugby Players as a fullback, or maybe a Linebacker. But they wouldnt be fast enough for reciever or cornerback (remember, a lot of these guys are at the level of world class sprinters). And probably not big enough to play O-line or D-line. Im sure some could do it, but it wouldnt be easy at all. Jus like going over to those sports, these guys usually play Football all their lives to make it to the NFL. Darren Bennet of the Chargers used to play Rugby in Australia...and all he does is punt the ball, n get the fuk off the field lol.