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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Maestro Minded on June 29, 2003, 12:37:17 PM
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when she's rappin she's sayin something like "need a hit song / bla bla / passed 20 rubbers just to get a snoop dogg"....
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yet peeps claim he hasn't sold out ::)
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yet peeps claim he hasn't sold out ::)
doing a track with a totaly unknown japanese artist with sony behind her back paying big bucks = sell out?
so if you were a rapper and somebody came to you offering 20'000 for a verse, you would say ... "nah... i only rap with my old school homeys" ... ??
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^^ Exactly, people have absolutely 0 ability to see things from another perspective. If that's selling out, I'd sell out in a heartbeat. Please, Please god let me sell out.
Anybody that gets into the music business does it to make money. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise, it's b.s. When somebody gets successful and actually MAKES money, they're regarded as a sellout instead of a success.
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I do think in general that Snoop is a sellout, but comon, I hardly think that featuring on a track by some artist who peeps in the US are unlikely to ever hear is selling out. I haven't heard the track personally, but as long as it ain't some pop shit, they why shouldn't he feature on the track to get him a bit more exposure in Japan. And 20k to feature on a hiphop track, I don't think many artists would turn that down, it's not like they are having to rap alongside the Backstreet Boys or some shit like that.
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^^ hell, I'd rap with the backstreet boys for LESS. Maybe you'll get more job opportunities. And it was a pop track, it was a dance type japanese stuff track.
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it's not like they are having to rap alongside the Backstreet Boys
I can See That Happen since Him & Kevin Look alike ;D ;D
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But doing weird dance stuff is alright, at least it's a little experimental. And nobody said that B Real was selling out by doing that dance track with Roni Size so I think it's all good on that front.
But yes, if I was a successful rapper I would turn down 20k to rap on a Backstreet Boys track.
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why wasnt anybody talking when warren g made a track with peter andre ??
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why wasnt anybody talking when warren g made a track with peter andre ??
give me a break you guys. WTF is your definition of selling out? Warren G made one track with peter andre, so what. Warren keeps every album g-funked out and he doesn't fill it up with mainstream and pop producers and guests. Fucking look how many people snoop has worked with: lil bow wow, ginuine, lil kim, busta rhymes, Benzino, eminem, puffy, lil mo, lil jon and the eastside boys, neptunes, french rappers, asian rappers, missy elliot, ludacris, jay z, mariah carey, and way more. Snoop is a gangsta rapper, he came into the game as a gansta rapper and now he reps his set more than ever. Basically every song he at least once reps crippin or RTC. And then he goes and works with lil bow wow, or the neptunes, or some fucking asian girl. Why? Only because he is getting money for it. How come he isn't on more songs on Daz, warren g, nate dogg, dpg albums? Daz has put out how many albums? How many guest spots does snoop have total on daz albums? What about warren albums? Nate albums? Kurupt albums? what about other westcoast artists? Snoop reps his set on wax all the time, so why the fuck don't he collab wit some other gangsta rappers? What about c-bo, spice 1, e-a-ski, jayo felony, kurupt, hittman, knoc-turn'al, mac dre, dubee, e-40, b legit, celly cel, mc eiht, dresta, kay n9ne, squeak ru, roaddawgs, dj quik, goddamn either now u get the point or u don't. Snoop dogg reps gangbanging on wax waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more than quik, spice 1, ski, jayo felony, c-bo etc. yet these guys don't collab wit poppy ass commercial shit that they know their fans dont wanna hear. Didn't Ja rule or nelly call bone thugs to do a song and they straight up said no? See that is some real shit. I honestly think snoop will work with ANYBODY just as long as the money is there. And if you don't fucking think that is selling out, then fuck I give up on this debate.
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why wasnt anybody talking when warren g made a track with peter andre ??
It's a bit different with producers, cause Warren actually gave him a straight G Funk beat, the fact that Peter Andre turned it into a pop song was his own fault.
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Snoop is doing tracks with peeps that are on his Level.and I wouldnt call him a sell out for doing tracks with Pop artist ,he's just showing love to everybody in the industry ,Also how could he be a sell out when he's helping his entourage even Uncle Rio is getting paid.also Snoop is Bigg now and its all about the dough why do u think ,u always hear the same verses from Snoop on some underground westcoast songs (2wiceberg) thats because it might cost alot to have a verse from him.When u are on top ur Fucking with The Best of the moment,and I dont see whats wrong with Snoop working with all these people they a hot so I dont see the problem,
and about Dj Quik , Jayo not working with commercial artist ...ask Urself why they are mad and struggling to go gold
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why wasnt anybody talking when warren g made a track with peter andre ??
give me a break you guys. WTF is your definition of selling out? Warren G made one track with peter andre, so what. Warren keeps every album g-funked out and he doesn't fill it up with mainstream and pop producers and guests. Fucking look how many people snoop has worked with: lil bow wow, ginuine, lil kim, busta rhymes, Benzino, eminem, puffy, lil mo, lil jon and the eastside boys, neptunes, french rappers, asian rappers, missy elliot, ludacris, jay z, mariah carey, and way more. Snoop is a gangsta rapper, he came into the game as a gansta rapper and now he reps his set more than ever. Basically every song he at least once reps crippin or RTC. And then he goes and works with lil bow wow, or the neptunes, or some fucking asian girl. Why? Only because he is getting money for it. How come he isn't on more songs on Daz, warren g, nate dogg, dpg albums? Daz has put out how many albums? How many guest spots does snoop have total on daz albums? What about warren albums? Nate albums? Kurupt albums? what about other westcoast artists? Snoop reps his set on wax all the time, so why the fuck don't he collab wit some other gangsta rappers? What about c-bo, spice 1, e-a-ski, jayo felony, kurupt, hittman, knoc-turn'al, mac dre, dubee, e-40, b legit, celly cel, mc eiht, dresta, kay n9ne, squeak ru, roaddawgs, dj quik, goddamn either now u get the point or u don't. Snoop dogg reps gangbanging on wax waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more than quik, spice 1, ski, jayo felony, c-bo etc. yet these guys don't collab wit poppy ass commercial shit that they know their fans dont wanna hear. Didn't Ja rule or nelly call bone thugs to do a song and they straight up said no? See that is some real shit. I honestly think snoop will work with ANYBODY just as long as the money is there. And if you don't fucking think that is selling out, then fuck I give up on this debate.
they dont sell good enough to work with busta, missy lil bow wow etc... thats the simple truth...
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I give up. Snoop dogg is some people's hero, and he will always be the best in their eyes and never do anything wrong. I'm still curious, what is your guys idea of selling out, and which westcoast rappers do u feel have sold out? If snoop did a collabo album with the backstreet boys, would u then consider him a sell out?
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snoop "sold out" years ago when he went to no limit. Since then I think he's kinda kept in limbo with the fans, some of the stuff he puts out is really dope and some of it is so terrible your embarrassed. Lately tho things are looking better, daz being around seems to bring snoops rhymes up a notch or two and all the shit with gunit and mixtapes is drawing attention. :)
All artists have to sell out a little bit to get paid though, otherwise you end up broke.
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I give up. Snoop dogg is some people's hero, and he will always be the best in their eyes and never do anything wrong. I'm still curious, what is your guys idea of selling out, and which westcoast rappers do u feel have sold out? If snoop did a collabo album with the backstreet boys, would u then consider him a sell out?
first, give me your definition of "selling out" and ill probably be able to list a minumum of 20 rappers whi fits your description
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snoop is 100% my definition of selling out. He fits the definition perfectly. Dre sold out too, and so did kurupt. But at least kurupt is still down. Snoop is still down too, but he sold out in a different way than kurupt.
DJ Quik, see he didn't sell out. All his albums are hits, he makes them great and for the fans. He usually always a big part of all of his click's albums. He is always down with his whole click, and he doesn't fill his albums up with guests and producers that are not his style.
Jason Giambi, he's a fuckin faggot sellout, goin to the yankees. But Jerry Rice ain't no sellout goin to the raiders, cause he woulda stayed wit the niners for lil money but the niners couldn't keep him.
E-A-Ski is someone who has never sold out. He has been around for years in the rap game, and he has made lots of hits. Most people wouldn't know this though, a lot on wcc wouldn't even know this. Ski hasn't even been able to put out an album, due to record labels hating on him. But does he all of a sudden switch up from being gangsta to doing a pop/commercial sounding beat and get a hot radio/video friendly artist on his song? Hell no he doesn't. Neither does spice 1, c-bo, jayo felony, b-legit, celly cel, rappin 4tay, too Short, WC, Mack 10, Tray Deee, Goldie Loc, Bad Azz, Suga Free, DJ Quik, Mitchy Slick, Warren G, ATL, Squeak Ru, RBX, Mac Dre, etc. They keep their shit sounding good. I rarely ever listen to snoops new albums. All those artists I just named have dropped ust as tight or tighter albums than all of snoops albums except for doggystyle. Sure they not come close to selling as many records as snoop, but at least they didn't sell out. Shit Quik would rather retire than sell out. But it doesn't matter what I say, I have raised so many points on why snoop is a sell out. You guys act as if snoop is a sellout, that means its the end of the world. So what, he sold out, lots of people sell out. I would rather him not have sold out, but hey fuck it, I still bang his music everyday, just not the crappy stuff.
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^^ So in other words, if you're successful you're a sellout. The people you listed as 'keepin it real!!!' are all broke.
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how the hell do u know if they are broke? They still get thousands per verse and shit, they all are making a lot of money. of course they don't make as much as snoop, but they also didn't sell out.
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lolol..................yo playa, u know i listen and respect posts but im real and i know exactly what the fuck sellin out is..............but i wanna know what u call sellin out............cuz u say snoop sold out, dre sold out n so on.................but whats ya definition of sellin out playa? why has snoop completely sold out? whats ya def of sellin out cuz kats come on these boards sayin so n so have sold out jus cuz they heard some rapper say the term "sold out" n think they know wat it is and i'll be real, most chat bullshit..............but u seem to really on the idea of snoop sellin out.............but whats your definition of sellin out?
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man thats what u mean in a way like it or not they r broke compare to Your Sell Out Snoop...no major label, no success, no dough= Broke ass rapper just go to the street of NYC and ask someone if he knows about EA SKI. and I dont know if u realise tthat but Most of the artist that are true to their old fan base are broke and keep doing what they do best because the fans are the only one that will buy their shit and they will be able to eat because of em
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I already spent way too much time tryin to explain this. I guess there is no real definition of selling out, because obviously everyone in this thread has a totally different interpretation of it than I do. Like I said, snoop fits the shoe perfectly. Me trying to get you guys to understand it would be like you guys trying to get me to agree that snoop and the neptunes is a good combo- its never gonna happen. You guys have your opinion, I have mine.
and I just please want someone to name a rap artist who they consider a sell out.
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I already spent way too much time tryin to explain this. I guess there is no real definition of selling out, because obviously everyone in this thread has a totally different interpretation of it than I do. Like I said, snoop fits the shoe perfectly. Me trying to get you guys to understand it would be like you guys trying to get me to agree that snoop and the neptunes is a good combo- its never gonna happen. You guys have your opinion, I have mine.
i think that snoop and neptunes is a horrible combo
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U people are dumb and dont know how much 20 000 is
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I see where youre coming from, but you can expect the dude to record albums with the same homies for over 10 years. And its funny when people say he sold out but when Ras Kass records with Fabolous, E-40 with Justin Timberlake, or WC with 112 its just for exposure. Im not sayin its right but I cant hate on the man makin his money.
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^^^^^yeah those guys have done like one or two songs like that. Snoop has done hella.
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^^^^^yeah those guys have done like one or two songs like that. Snoop has done hella.
so when you do alot, you're a selll out, when you do a couple, you're not a sellout ??
btw.. whats wrong with snoop working with lil bow wow... snoop is the one who "found" lil bow wow and asked JD to take care of him...
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Yeah, Bow Wow shouldn't even be in this discussion. i'm gonna say it like this, Bow Wow is a respectable artist in my opinion.
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you find nothing weird at all about snoop hollerin Rollin Twenty Crip Fo Life! Crip Hop! The Grey and The Blue! and then goin and workin wit 12 year old lil bow wow. That is some funny ass shit imo.
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you find nothing weird at all about snoop hollerin Rollin Twenty Crip Fo Life! Crip Hop! The Grey and The Blue! and then goin and workin wit 12 year old lil bow wow. That is some funny ass shit imo.
I think u need some sleep ,no offense but thats a stupid comment
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I think u need some sleep ,no offense but thats a stupid comment
dude, all you guys are ignorant. In every recent snoop song he reps crip. He reps crip harder than 98% of any gangsta rappers. And then he does songs with these other people. You guys just don't seem to understand. Some people just need to be surgically removed from snoops nuts. You guys win the debate. Snoop dogg is the best rapper ever and he has never made a shitty song. He doesn't need g-funk, when he has the neptunes. And he doesn't need dpg/doggystyle when he has lil bow wow, and those others I named. I'm sorry for disgracing your god.
Please, just do me this favor. Just say one bad thing about snoop. Like, "damn that track From tha Chuuch to Tha palace is wack as fuck. " Or "Holy shit, that was a dumb ass idea for snoop to collaborate with Freeway."
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you find nothing weird at all about snoop hollerin Rollin Twenty Crip Fo Life! Crip Hop! The Grey and The Blue! and then goin and workin wit 12 year old lil bow wow. That is some funny ass shit imo.
snoop introduced bow wow to suge back in the days.. suge didnt want him, so snoop sent him to JD insted.. i still dont see whats wrong working with him
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I think u need some sleep ,no offense but thats a stupid comment
dude, all you guys are ignorant. In every recent snoop song he reps crip. He reps crip harder than 98% of any gangsta rappers. And then he does songs with these other people. You guys just don't seem to understand. Some people just need to be surgically removed from snoops nuts. You guys win the debate. Snoop dogg is the best rapper ever and he has never made a shitty song. He doesn't need g-funk, when he has the neptunes. And he doesn't need dpg/doggystyle when he has lil bow wow, and those others I named. I'm sorry for disgracing your god.
Please, just do me this favor. Just say one bad thing about snoop. Like, "damn that track From tha Chuuch to Tha palace is wack as fuck. " Or "Holy shit, that was a dumb ass idea for snoop to collaborate with Freeway."
I do hate the fact that he's claimin his set and C-R-I-P all the time I do hate the fact that he's not a great CEO and he's using his producers badly ,
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I do hate the fact that he's claimin his set and C-R-I-P all the time I do hate the fact that he's not a great CEO and he's using his producers badly ,
Snoops a CEO? Shit, he didn't sell out, he BOUGHT IN.
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Surely one point we have to remember here is that "selling out" has nothing to do with fans' perceptions?
An artist isn't necessarily a sell out if they produce commercial music or work with artists outside of their immediate circle. An artist sells out if they produce work they personally do not believe in or work with other artists they personally don't like, for financial gain.
Which means it isn't for us to judge. I think most of Snoop's latest album is pretty wack, but I don't claim he's sold out. He just isn't making the same music that made me love him when I was 14. How many of you still hang strictly with the same people you did 10 years ago?
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you find nothing weird at all about snoop hollerin Rollin Twenty Crip Fo Life! Crip Hop! The Grey and The Blue! and then goin and workin wit 12 year old lil bow wow. That is some funny ass shit imo.
Nah, what's funny is apparently you don't think that crips have kids. What, you think all gang members hate kids or something? What's wrong with working with a kid?
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dude, all you guys are ignorant. Snoop dogg is the best rapper ever and he has never made a shitty song.
That's more like it. Glad you stopped being a bitch.
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if that is selling out, I woudln't give a fuck about selling out. Come one peeps, who really gives a fuck? Wouldn't you earn as much money as you could while you were on work? These guys are music artists. I'm glad a westcoast artist after all still get's love abroad. And to be honest, I don't give a fuck about sell outs and all that shit, as long as the music is good.
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why wasnt anybody talking when warren g made a track with peter andre ??
Fucking look how many people snoop has worked with: lil bow wow, ginuine, lil kim, busta rhymes, Benzino, eminem, puffy, lil mo, lil jon and the eastside boys, neptunes, french rappers, asian rappers, missy elliot, ludacris, jay z, mariah carey, and way more.
I can tell u it wasn't even a french rapper!
He made a track with a french actor for a comedy(Asterix et Obelix)
But I gotta agree with u,he's a sellout
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Fucking look how many people snoop has worked with: lil bow wow, ginuine, lil kim, busta rhymes, Benzino, eminem, puffy, lil mo, lil jon and the eastside boys, neptunes, french rappers, asian rappers, missy elliot, ludacris, jay z, mariah carey, and way more.
I still think this was a stupid comment , whats wrong with Snoop Working with everybody aint that supposed to be a good thing? and what about that Dogg Pound Gangsta who did work with Mariah Carey, Ja Rule, Fabolous,Cadillac Tah, Black Rob,Freeway,Brian Mcknight,Lil Mo,Jermaine Dupri,Rock, and alot more nobody said shit about that nigga who's doin hooks everywhere isnt he a sell out too?
fuck nah
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^^^^^ Trust me I think nate dogg, and kurupt are sellouts too. Nate dogg, not really, but kinda, but he is all about singin. He ain't reppin crip to the fullest in every song and then do a fuckin track with someone I have never even heard of to put on the new sesame street video game soundtrack. Kurupt sold out in the worst way, by signing back to Death row, but at least he still will collaborate with homies, and not a bunch of wack ass pop stars.
I'm am gonna ask one more time: What the fuck do u guys consider selling out? Name one westcoast rapper who you believe has sold out. Would u consider snoop a sellout if he did a collabo album with the backstreet boys?
cmon guys answer the question instead of defending your postion by sayin "snoop ain't a sell out, he is just making money."
Do u think Snoop would work with anyone as long as the money is right? I do. I think he would do a song with Suge Knight if the money is right. And if that ain't sellin out, I don't know what its.
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To answer ur question... KURUPT is a sell out because he left his homies for money and Suge
and to get back to Snoop I wouldnt call him a sell out for working with the Backstreet Boyz its not like he would be a Backstreet Boys member its just a collaboration
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What the fuck do u guys consider selling out? Name one westcoast rapper who you believe has sold out. Would u consider snoop a sellout if he did a collabo album with the backstreet boys?
Like I've said... An artist sells out if they produce work they personally do not believe in or work with other artists they personally don't like, for financial gain.
An artist isn't necessarily a sell out if they produce commercial music or work with artists outside of their immediate circle.
I believe Ras Kass would have been perfectly happy to sell out. I read more than one interview with him in which he said he was sick of being underground, and that he made the music on Rassassination because he wanted SALES like Biggie and Pac. Not respect, SALES. To change your style for financial gain IS the definition of a sellout. Snoop never said he did it for sales, Ras did.
If Snoop did an album with Backstreet Boys I wouldn't give a shit. If Snoop met the group, had a drink and a smoke with them and they all decided to see what they could come up with in the studio, that's on them.
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I still want to know what u consider a sell out. and I can't believe you call kurupt a sellout, but not snoop. Shit snoop left his homies for money and fame. Kurupt was still totally down to work with his homies, he always has been. He has been the dogg pound gangsta who was always down with the homies. Kurupt been on all daz albums, so far. Snoop been on 1 fucking song on daz first album. Kurupt is a gangsta rapper, and he still keepin it gangsta on the westcoast. He is collabing with jayo felony, boo yah tribe, crooked I, caz, all kinds of westcoast folx within the last year or two. He ain't goin over and doin a bunch of songs with pop artists. And kurupt don't even come close to reppin crip as much as snoop. Shit I think kurupt sold out too, but at least he still is doin the type of music that his fans want to hear most of the time, even if his lyrics do suck balls nowadays. But it doesn't matter what I say, you guys will never change your view, you are stuck in your ways. You even said yourself big chillah that u wouldn't consider snoop a sellout if he did a collabo album with the backstreet boys. Does selling out have nothing to do with who u work with? If Snoop got Britney spears and her producer to do the first single of his next album, is that selling out? Snoop even used to talk a lot of shit about rappers goin Hollywood. Ain't that ironic. Quik used to talk the same shit too. Look who stayed true to their roots. Yeah money is a very powerful thing and probably 90% of people would take the same route snoop did. But to some people, pride is more important than money.
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What the fuck do u guys consider selling out?
Like I've said... An artist sells out if they produce work they personally do not believe in or work with other artists they personally don't like, for financial gain.
AC, are you blind? The man's already said 2 or 3 times what a sellout is, then you say "I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT YALL CALL A SELLOUT".
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why wasnt anybody talking when warren g made a track with peter andre ??
Where the hell can i get this track!!!
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Yo this topic is so fucked up! LOL @ people calling Snoop a sellout. What Snoop does is his fucking JOB. He EARNS his MONEY and makes his living in the MUSIC BUSINESS...Snoop never sold out to his homies, Warren G, Nate , Tray, Goldie, Dre all them muthafuckas is hella tight with Snoop since day 1. Any business desicion that Snoop makes is strictly to increase his paper how can yall hate like that? AcGrundy, let me ask you, If and employer came to you and was gona pay you double or triple what your making now, youd still do the same everyday things, roll with the same crew and shit, would you turn him down? HELL NO! GO GET THAT PAPER. Snoop doesnt make albums the way AcGrundy wants them, he makes an album that SNOOP DOGG wants to make, and an album thats gona keep him finacially sound. Sure he isnt dropping Doggystyles with every release, but he pumps out enough tracks to keep me happy.
BTW, Wouldnt you get bored of hearing Snoop rap with the same 4 or 5 people on every song after 10+ years in the game?
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BTW, Wouldnt you get bored of hearing Snoop rap with the same 4 or 5 people on every song after 10+ years in the game?
I would be perfectly content if snoop only worked with dre, warren g, nate dogg, daz, tray deee for 90% of the rest of his collaborations.
here is what you guys are not getting: Selling out is not the worst thing in the world! I don't hate snoop dogg. I still bump his music and buy his albums, but he has sold out. A lot of rappers have sold out. Like I mentioned earlier snoop used to talk shit about rappers goin hollywood, and so did dj quik. Now quik decided to retire rather than sellout or go hollywood. Dude, snoops album wasn't selling for shit, until beautiful popped up all over the place. That songs popularity and sucess is due to the neptunes pharrel whatever the fuck his name is, and it is a pretty poppy sounding song. My roomate, who hates rap, likes that song, and that is the only snoop dogg song he likes. It is like the only rap song I have ever heard him say he likes. Like I said, I like the song beautiful, and I like snoop dogg. There is nothing really wrong with selling out, he just doesn't make as good of music as he potentially could. Let's see start of his career to 95 95% of his music was fucking dope. 96-99 I would say about 50% of his music was dope. 2000 to present I would say around 50% is dope, probably less tho. He does lots of dope songs that are not on his actual album tho. and lots of his songs get ruined by wack ass beats, or wack ass guests. And the reason these happen is because snoop makes more money from it than if he would with a westcoast artist. Did u guys read the warren G interview? Warren knows what the fuck is up with snoop. Warren wants to keep that 213 shit clear of all those people u guys know I don't like. But he says its up to snoop, we gotta tell snoop that. Another perfect example of snoop being a sellout, and warren g not being one. Why can't 213 be strictly 213 guys? Read the interview. Warren said himself thats all on snoop. I swear to god trying to get you guys to realize this is like slamming my head into a brick wall. WCC loves snoop dogg, and he is the god.
Hypothetical:
I'm curious about this one. Snoop always hollerin in songs about how bad snitchin is, right. So say some shit went down and snoop snitched to get out. Which of you guys would be saying that was cool of snoop to do and all that bullshit. You know, anyother rapper does it and he will get hated on, but snoop does it and its ok.
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Im kind of tired of this but anyway, Be Happy that Snoop is still around after 10 years he's just trying to fit in the music of today,and about the selling out thing ,I dont really think so, Is always making music with Nate, he's all over Daz new cd,EastSidaz are still alive, he's still cool with X,and DoggyStyle Records is dooing okay so I dont see why he's selling out,and try to understand that once u succed u'll never be the same man ,money makes the world go round, I dont know if u like Jay Z but both are on the same same boat ,his first album was fire,perfect, then after success he started doing party tracks ,the same would happen with everybody ,
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^^^^^ uh no it wouldn't. WC, C-Bo, Spice 1, Mac Dre, Rappin 4 tay, andre nikatina, mc eiht, tray deee, daz, dj quik are all examples of successful rappers who didn't sell out. I can name plenty more too.
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^^^^^ uh no it wouldn't. WC, C-Bo, Spice 1, Mac Dre, Rappin 4 tay, andre nikatina, mc eiht, tray deee, daz, dj quik are all examples of successful rappers who didn't sell out. I can name plenty more too.
they dont sell multi platinum like snoop and jay-z
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^^^^^ uh no it wouldn't. WC, C-Bo, Spice 1, Mac Dre, Rappin 4 tay, andre nikatina, mc eiht, tray deee, daz, dj quik are all examples of successful rappers who didn't sell out. I can name plenty more too.
are they successful for the mainstream or just for the WESTCOAST FANs???
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they are successful for themselves. They all are rich, they all put out plenty of albums, either going gold or platinum. All have put out at least one classic album, and none have sold out. I'm done with this debate, snoop dogg is a sell out, I have proved it to u guys in so many ways. You guys have even said it yourselves, u just can't figure it out.
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lets just say that ur Mad that Snoop is doing things with different people *end Of discussion"