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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Perfection on July 16, 2003, 02:06:51 PM
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Wednesday, July 16
Desired target in homer assault: Ruth
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Associated Press
CHICAGO -- Barry Bonds keeps climbing the home run charts, edging closer to Willie Mays' mark and drawing more and more questions about whether he will break Hank Aaron's record.
Bonds, however, is also taking aim at The Babe.
“ In the baseball world, Babe Ruth's everything, right? ”
— Barry Bonds
The San Francisco slugger leads the majors with 30 home runs at the All-Star break and has hit 643 in his career, putting him just 17 shy of matching his godfather -- Mays -- for third on the all-time list.
"Willie's number is always the one that I've strived for," Bonds said before Tuesday's All-Star Game.
"And if it does happen, the only number I care about is Babe Ruth's. Because as a left-handed hitter, I wiped him out. That's it. And in the baseball world, Babe Ruth's everything, right? I got his slugging percentage and I'll take his home runs and that's it. Don't talk about him no more."
Ruth hit 714 home runs, a mark that stood for many years until Aaron came along. Aaron finished with 755, but Bonds said "755 isn't the number that's always caught my eye."
At 38, Bonds' drive to reach Aaron has been slowed a bit by his high walk total. With each year, the daily grind of playing left field might take its toll, too. Bonds has said recently that he would welcome playing for an AL team -- he's specifically mentioned the Angels -- as a full-time DH once his contract with the Giants is up.
"The toughest thing about getting older is playing defense. That is where you get hurt. Guys can hit from a wheelchair," said Cubs manager Dusty Baker, Bonds' former manager. "I always thought someday Barry might be a first baseman or a DH."
The AL beat the NL 7-6 to gain home-field advantange for the World Series.
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Fuck this guy, he doesn't realize a thing the Babe did for baseball.
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Not to diss The Babe, but I honestly don't think he was a very good baseball player.
Sure, he could get to the plate, and crush the ball for a homerun...but thats ALL he could do! He lead the league in homeruns of course...but he also lead the league in strikeouts.
Also, the guy was drunk half the time he played.
I would call Babe Ruth a homerun hitter at best.
Barry Bonds, on the other hand, is not only good at the plate. The man has won the golden glove award 4 times(maybe 5). He also has a great slugging precentage.
IMO, Barry Bonds is WAY better than Babe Ruth...but thats me.
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lmao do people not realize he was a very good pitcher too? he was bostons best pitcher for like four years straight. babe was alot more than just a "home run hitter" but i don't have the time to type up all of his achievements.
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lmao do people not realize he was a very good pitcher too? he was bostons best pitcher for like four years straight. babe was alot more than just a "home run hitter" but i don't have the time to type up all of his achievements.
beat me to it
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first off its a well known fact bonds is a scum bag. but xero or whatever ur name is, u say the babe played drunk half the time, imagine how good he would of been he played sober all the time. an remember. when babe was a pitcher he was also leading the league in home runs during the dead ball era. an than when he went to the yankees an the first couple of years it was still the dead ball era babe had more home runs than some teams. also remember that playing condidtions are a lot better now than they were in the teens, 20's, an 30's. Bonds in my opinion is a better overall player than the babe but what the babe has done for baseball, barry will never come close 2 doing. when u think baseball u think the babe
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^^ YUP! I knew you'd come along with some info for us. In my opinion, it's extremely hard to compare players from the friekin' what, 40's? and modern players, also. There's just too many differences in the game, in standards, in your average player, etc. now as opposed to then to make any kind of comparison fair.
I.E., today, there's a lot more competition in baseball, almost everybody is an amazing player, all the players are in great shape, they have much more specialized coaches and training, etc... if you put a Babe Ruth in today's game, he'd excel with the advantages that today's players have over the people he was playing with. He was a friekin' monster in his day, for Bonds to act like he's better shows him off as the asshole he is. What prick goes around comparing himself to legends?
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o well...
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lol@ The Babe...
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Not to diss The Babe, but I honestly don't think he was a very good baseball player.
Sure, he could get to the plate, and crush the ball for a homerun...but thats ALL he could do! He lead the league in homeruns of course...but he also lead the league in strikeouts.
Also, the guy was drunk half the time he played.
I would call Babe Ruth a homerun hitter at best.
Barry Bonds, on the other hand, is not only good at the plate. The man has won the golden glove award 4 times(maybe 5). He also has a great slugging precentage.
IMO, Barry Bonds is WAY better than Babe Ruth...but thats me.
What are you smoking? Ruth wasn the career walk guy before Ricky passed him. He has close to 100 wins as a pitcher. 714 homeruns. And he wasn't on the roids when he did this.
Babe Ruth is the Greatest Baseball Player of All Time.
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what an asshole.
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The Babe is highly overrated...plain n simple. But whateva, i dont give a shit about baseball much...so i aint gonna argue it.
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^^ you dont' know what the fuck you're talking about anyways, so thanks for the favor. LOL @ someone who still replaces "s"'s with "Z"'s
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^^ you dont' know what the fuck you're talking about anyways, so thanks for the favor. LOL @ someone who still replaces "s"'s with "Z"'s
or a middle-aged hippy hick on a westcoast rap message board who names themself after a Character on a video game...hmmm, is he country...or is he hip hop? Is he middle-aged...or is he 8? We'll never know...u can let go of my nuts now tho Trauma, thanks.
And yes, the "Babe" is still overrated.
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The Babe is highly overrated...plain n simple. But whateva, i dont give a shit about baseball much...so i aint gonna argue it.
Babe had close to 100 wins as a pitcher before the Yankees made him a hitter. He had 2 seaon where he won 20 games or more. Career walks leader, until Rickey passed him a couple years ago. He has 500 more RBI's then Bonds. He has 714 Home Runs. He put baseball on the map, and he helped make the sport America's passtime.
The Babe also has 62 more triples then Bonds. And like I said before Ruth wasn't on the roids.
Babe Ruth is the Greatest player in the history of baseball.
End of Story.
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^^ Thank you!
Signed,
Your 8 year old, middle aged, hippy country/rock/hiphop guy.
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The Babe is highly overrated...plain n simple. But whateva, i dont give a shit about baseball much...so i aint gonna argue it.
if you dont kno what your talking about why speak up on it
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The Babe is highly overrated...plain n simple. But whateva, i dont give a shit about baseball much...so i aint gonna argue it.
if you dont kno what your talking about why speak up on it
lol@ that...yur right...since u dont agree with me, i dont know what im talking about. Im not gonna get into why i think he's overrated...cus itll just turn into sum big fukin argument that will completely be off topic eventually. So im leavin this thread alone....peace
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The Babe is highly overrated...plain n simple. But whateva, i dont give a shit about baseball much...so i aint gonna argue it.
if you dont kno what your talking about why speak up on it
lol@ that...yur right...since u dont agree with me, i dont know what im talking about. Im not gonna get into why i think he's overrated...cus itll just turn into sum big fukin argument that will completely be off topic eventually. So im leavin this thread alone....peace
It's clear you don't know anything about baseball, because after you were given some stats you still Ruth is overrated and just a home run hitter. Even though he has close to 100 wins as a pitcher. He was the career walks leader before Rickey passed him a couple years ago. He has 500 more RBI's then Bonds and 62 more triples then Bonds. And he wasn't on the roids.
Babe Ruth is the Greatest Baseball Player of All Time
And ask any baseball expert, & they'll say the same thing.
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if u openly admitt that u dont give a shit about baseball how could u know he is highly overatted
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if u openly admitt that u dont give a shit about baseball how could u know he is highly overatted
EXACTLY. I'm tired of these people acting like they know what the fucks going on, when they're ignorant. He straight up said he doesn't care about baseball, but yet he thinks he's qualified to rate the players? Please.
Just like the dude on the other thread who said Pirates of the Carribean was a horrible movie, but he'd never seen it.
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it's obviously two different eras, as baseball has had many different eras. Bonds is the greatest player of the current era, hands down. Multiple time golden glove, as he got older, more of a slugger, a contact batter in his youth, stolen bases, the whole nine. Ruth was a power player. He pitched hard fast balls, and hit more home runs of any man until Hank Aaron came along. Bonds wanting to break Ruths records is not uncommon, him saying what he said is not uncommon. Shit, his gunning for the top dogg. Ruth will no be replaced, but Bonds has a goal to do so. With that goal, he will make himself a legand in his own time, and a hundred years from now baseball experts will be comparing their era with Bonds, and other great players. And if his being a prick by thinking that way, well shit, every athlete is a prick, because records are made to be broken, and Bonds is doing what every other player only dreams of.
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if u openly admitt that u dont give a shit about baseball how could u know he is highly overatted
EXACTLY. I'm tired of these people acting like they know what the fucks going on, when they're ignorant. He straight up said he doesn't care about baseball, but yet he thinks he's qualified to rate the players? Please.
Just like the dude on the other thread who said Pirates of the Carribean was a horrible movie, but he'd never seen it.
I said i dont CARE about baseball, i never said i dont know anything about it. I dont particularly LIKE the..."sport", but that doesnt mean i dont actually know alot about it. So if you were having trouble understanding that...then this should help. If u still need further explaination on how its possible to not CARE about something, but still have knowledge in that area...u can just PM ok? The only thing "ignorant" about this whole thing, was yur stupidass assumption that i know nothing about baseball. As for "The Babe", i told u i didnt wanna get into why i feel he's overrated...and i still aint going to. I guarentee it will only result in tha thread getting locked, because theres no way you or Tom will stay on topic...and it will just turn into a big race thing. So fukit. Its useless. Deal with it, and move on.
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if u openly admitt that u dont give a shit about baseball how could u know he is highly overatted
EXACTLY. I'm tired of these people acting like they know what the fucks going on, when they're ignorant. He straight up said he doesn't care about baseball, but yet he thinks he's qualified to rate the players? Please.
Just like the dude on the other thread who said Pirates of the Carribean was a horrible movie, but he'd never seen it.
I said i dont CARE about baseball, i never said i dont know anything about it. I dont particularly LIKE the..."sport", but that doesnt mean i dont actually know alot about it. So if you were having trouble understanding that...then this should help. If u still need further explaination on how its possible to not CARE about something, but still have knowledge in that area...u can just PM ok? The only thing "ignorant" about this whole thing, was yur stupidass assumption that i know nothing about baseball. As for "The Babe", i told u i didnt wanna get into why i feel he's overrated...and i still aint going to. I guarentee it will only result in tha thread getting locked, because theres no way you or Tom will stay on topic...and it will just turn into a big race thing. So fukit. Its useless. Deal with it, and move on.
It's clear you don't know anything about baseball, because after you were given some stats you still Ruth is overrated and just a home run hitter. Even though he has close to 100 wins as a pitcher. He was the career walks leader before Rickey passed him a couple years ago. He has 500 more RBI's then Bonds and 62 more triples then Bonds. And he wasn't on the roids.
Babe isn't overrated. He's the Greatest player of all time.
Now you give me facts that prove Ruth is overrated!
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Babe was a power player. He was not the most skilled player, he overpowered an era that wasn't as strong as now. Now if Babe played today, he would be like McGwair, only that can pitch like Randy Johnson. Is he the greatest, I think Willie Mays, but that's disputable. Babe though might be the greatest power player ever. Pitched hard, hit homes, and was great at it. I prefer more speed players, with great fielding, like Willie Mays, a young Bonds, Mickey and Ricky Henderson. It's opinion, but Babe is the greatest power player ever. Hank Aaron was great, but Babe was the greatest in the aspect. Is he overrate, depends on what you want.
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Babe was a power player. He was not the most skilled player, he overpowered an era that wasn't as strong as now. Now if Babe played today, he would be like McGwair, only that can pitch like Randy Johnson. Is he the greatest, I think Willie Mays, but that's disputable. Babe though might be the greatest power player ever. Pitched hard, hit homes, and was great at it. I prefer more speed players, with great fielding, like Willie Mays, a young Bonds, Mickey and Ricky Henderson. It's opinion, but Babe is the greatest power player ever. Hank Aaron was great, but Babe was the greatest in the aspect. Is he overrate, depends on what you want.
If you ask any baseball expert they'll tell that because of his stats and what the Babe did for the sport of baseball he is the Greatest player of all time. However some will tell you that he's the Greatest player of all time but not the greatest offensive player of all time.
It's because of the Babe that baseball became popular and America's pass time.
He may not be the greatest offensive player of all time (though his numbers are better than pretty much everyone else) he is the Greatest player of time because of what he did for the sport of Baseball on and off the field.
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i personally think willie mays an ted williams are the two greatest of all time
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if u openly admitt that u dont give a shit about baseball how could u know he is highly overatted
EXACTLY. I'm tired of these people acting like they know what the fucks going on, when they're ignorant. He straight up said he doesn't care about baseball, but yet he thinks he's qualified to rate the players? Please.
Just like the dude on the other thread who said Pirates of the Carribean was a horrible movie, but he'd never seen it.
I said i dont CARE about baseball, i never said i dont know anything about it. I dont particularly LIKE the..."sport", but that doesnt mean i dont actually know alot about it. So if you were having trouble understanding that...then this should help. If u still need further explaination on how its possible to not CARE about something, but still have knowledge in that area...u can just PM ok? The only thing "ignorant" about this whole thing, was yur stupidass assumption that i know nothing about baseball. As for "The Babe", i told u i didnt wanna get into why i feel he's overrated...and i still aint going to. I guarentee it will only result in tha thread getting locked, because theres no way you or Tom will stay on topic...and it will just turn into a big race thing. So fukit. Its useless. Deal with it, and move on.
you say me an trauma cant stay on topic but u havnt given one reason why u think babe ruth is overatted. than ur saying it will turn into a big race issues. so is that ur reason. babe ruth is overatted b/c he was white
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^^ Hell yeah that's his reason, LOL that's why he mentioned it. Ignorant
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^^ Hell yeah that's his reason, LOL that's why he mentioned it. Ignorant
i told both of u bitches, that i was leaving this alone. My opinion stands, and theres plenty of reason behind it. Do i need to justify my opinion to you 2? No. I told u i didnt want to turn this into sum big ass fukin argument...which i know both of u will do, and still are trying to do. Get over it. YES, i think he is OVERRATED, im not the FIRST to say it. I know WAY more about baseball then either one of u think. Simply assuming that i know more then you 2, would only make me as "ignorant" as you though. So i wont do it. Trauma, grow up. All youve done is call me "ignorant" for not agreeing with u. Sounds kinda like yur fukin superst...i mean...religion doesnt it? lol. Oh, and its kinda funny that Tom would question sum1 on a race issue, since he's a fukin racist himself.
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^^ Hell yeah that's his reason, LOL that's why he mentioned it. Ignorant
i told both of u bitches, that i was leaving this alone. My opinion stands, and theres plenty of reason behind it. Do i need to justify my opinion to you 2? No. I told u i didnt want to turn this into sum big ass fukin argument...which i know both of u will do, and still are trying to do. Get over it. YES, i think he is OVERRATED, im not the FIRST to say it. I know WAY more about baseball then either one of u think. Simply assuming that i know more then you 2, would only make me as "ignorant" as you though. So i wont do it. Trauma, grow up. All youve done is call me "ignorant" for not agreeing with u. Sounds kinda like yur fukin superst...i mean...religion doesnt it? lol. Oh, and its kinda funny that Tom would question sum1 on a race issue, since he's a fukin racist himself.
yawn, resorting to calling me a bitch even tho u never gave any fuckin argument what so ever. what am i supposed to assume, that u know a lot about baseball. can call me a racist i dont give a shit cuz ur a dick anyways like when u wanted me banned. u post my racist comments but do u post the shit i-bo says, no so go fuck ya self . an if im a racist than so be it WHITE AN PROUD.
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u kno what else is funny tone, u say me an trauma dont stay on topic. but yet during this whole topic, i asked for your reason an u never gave one, ur the one that went off topic arent you. yeah you fuckin are
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If you make a statement, and can't back it up, your statements shit. You didn't back yours up, so you don't even have a chance of being right. If I say the fucking moon's green, I'm wrong as fuck Unless I"ve got pictures, you dumbass.
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^^ Hell yeah that's his reason, LOL that's why he mentioned it. Ignorant
i told both of u bitches, that i was leaving this alone. My opinion stands, and theres plenty of reason behind it. Do i need to justify my opinion to you 2? No. I told u i didnt want to turn this into sum big ass fukin argument...which i know both of u will do, and still are trying to do. Get over it. YES, i think he is OVERRATED, im not the FIRST to say it. I know WAY more about baseball then either one of u think. Simply assuming that i know more then you 2, would only make me as "ignorant" as you though. So i wont do it. Trauma, grow up. All youve done is call me "ignorant" for not agreeing with u. Sounds kinda like yur fukin superst...i mean...religion doesnt it? lol. Oh, and its kinda funny that Tom would question sum1 on a race issue, since he's a fukin racist himself.
You say the Babe is Overrated but you can't seem you give any facts to prove it.
I have given facts to help prove that the Babe is the Greatest of all time.
By the way you're the one that got off topic. You're the one that turned this into a race issue, when all you had to do was show some facts to back up your statement. But you haven't given any facts at all as to why you think Ruth is overrated. All you said was that he was overrated, but no facts or a reason for your statement. That's poor.
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^^ He DID give a reason. He said if he gave his reason, it'd turn into a race argument, LOL so I guess we know what the reason is, lol.
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Now I understand what his reason is. But he still hasn't give any facts to prove that The Babe is overrated.
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^^ Because he doesn't have any, he just hates him becuase he's white, must be a racist thing, you and I wouldn't know anything about it.
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lmao do people not realize he was a very good pitcher too? he was bostons best pitcher for like four years straight. babe was alot more than just a "home run hitter" but i don't have the time to type up all of his achievements.
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If you make a statement, and can't back it up, your statements shit. You didn't back yours up, so you don't even have a chance of being right. If I say the fucking moon's green, I'm wrong as fuck Unless I"ve got pictures, you dumbass.
^^^Youre acting as if u dont do this on EVERY argument of yours in TOT...But if u have pictures of yur "God", then u can assume that my argument is "shit", because i CHOSE not to back it up with statistics.
And why are u clowns still talking about this? Youre arguing...with no one. Now whos the fukin dumbass? I told u im not interested in getting into it, and both of u are still obssessed with it. An opinion, is an opinion. If i feel he's overrated..and you dont..neither of us is right. I could come on here and bring a million statistics...and it STILL has nothing to do with an "opinion". How is that hard to understand? IMO, Trauma is a fuckin idiot...if i post up links to all the different threads that "prove" that, does that make it correct? Or still an opinion? Grow the fuck up, and move on with your lives.
~my last post in this thread~
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If you make a statement, and can't back it up, your statements shit. You didn't back yours up, so you don't even have a chance of being right. If I say the fucking moon's green, I'm wrong as fuck Unless I"ve got pictures, you dumbass.
^^^Youre acting as if u dont do this on EVERY argument of yours in TOT...But if u have pictures of yur "God", then u can assume that my argument is "shit", because i CHOSE not to back it up with statistics.
And why are u clowns still talking about this? Youre arguing...with no one. Now whos the fukin dumbass? I told u im not interested in getting into it, and both of u are still obssessed with it. An opinion, is an opinion. If i feel he's overrated..and you dont..neither of us is right. I could come on here and bring a million statistics...and it STILL has nothing to do with an "opinion". How is that hard to understand? IMO, Trauma is a fuckin idiot...if i post up links to all the different threads that "prove" that, does that make it correct? Or still an opinion? Grow the fuck up, and move on with your lives.
~my last post in this thread~
First of all you need to admit that you have anger problems. I don't know where these problems came from, maybe you weren't hugged as a child, I don't know.
Second you people with opinions usaually give reasons for their opinion, they don't just give an opinion and don't back it up.
The reason people belive in God is because there are books and religions based on the fact that God is real.
You have just come off looking very poor on this topic.
You have to learn that when you give an opinion, you must give facts or statements to back it up.