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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: PLANT on September 13, 2003, 11:21:52 AM
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I dont understand.......Why do we blame everything on Snoop and Dr Dre.....?
Why do people think that one rapper should be held responsible for "Bringing back the west"........?
Why do people think that one prodcuer needs to "hook everyone up" to bring back that west......?
If artists such as Crooked I, Eastwood, C Bo, Yukmouth and so on are so good, why dont they bring the west back, and why do they blame a lack of commercial success on someone else? Its just the way it is, some people are more commercially appealing than others.
Id love to see all the above artists get their shine, but in all reality, at the end of the day, people are responsble for their own shit.
My point is that instead of blaming failure or lack of success on another man, people should look in the mirror and realize that they are in sole control of their own destiny...
If Crooked I wants to be "the next big thing" he needs to drop an album. Period... Death Row is killing this guys career, not Dre, not Snoop or anyone else. Drop an album.
If Yukmouth wants to be a star, promote his shit more, do mixtapes and put other artists down. You cant have a double standard here. If you want commercial success, than you have to make somewhat commercially appealing music....But you cant be an underground rapper and then complain about "not blowing up".....Thats being a hypocrite IMO....
Ok, I took this quote from "brother from another mother" and I feel its 100% truth right here...
Here is what Tru Blu posted on the dpgc2g forum...its kinda related to this topic and it pretty much sums it up IMO.
"Every artist that Snoop has brought out is from Long Beach so what are you talking about. Tray Deee, Swoop-G, Lil C-Style, Techniec, Bad Azz, So Sentrelle, Goldie Loc, Kola, Coniyac, E-White, and Soopafly all got their starts featured on Snoop songs. He works w/ people that most people forgot about. He put Chan, Lil Half Dead, and Battlecat back in the game. He's helped Butch Cassidy. He helped Xzibit get big. He had Kokane featured all over Tha Last Meal and Duces 'N Trayz. He had Suga Free featured on 2 of his solo albums, both Eastsidaz albums, and Bad Azz and Doggy's Angels albums.
Snoop has done a lot for his coast. He's done more for the West than a lot of you guys favorite artists here like Yukmouth and C-Bo.
When youre famous & successful some people will always hate on you no matter what you do.
I dont know, this may bother some people, and some people may agree with me....Just some shit I wanted to say....
Peace ;)
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You got some good points, and i probably agree 99%....
Good read....
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Why do we blame everything on Snoop and Dre?
simple
snoop and dre are some of the 2 most famous people repping the west, so wen west coast rappers arent selling, they blame dre and snoop
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Preach!
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Praise Represent! He sums my thoughts up! You'll get a shout out as soon as I think it's time for that stuff. (500 posts)
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I agree 100% Rep... Snoop's done ALOT for his coast... and more then most rappers... Snoop and Dre don't need the hate just because there commercially appealing... it's up to these other west coast rappers to make THEMSELVES appealing so that they can get noticed and sell there records...
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because they have the weight of the westcoast on their shoulders.
c'mon u really think crooked I could bring back the westcoast? or ecay uno? or sly boogie? or roscoe?
look at album sales, radio play, video play. snoop and dre are 90% of all that for the wc I bet.
its like barry bonds and the giants. w/o bonds, the giants ain't shit and have no chance. sure they got good players besides bonds, but they can't win w/o him. the westcoast has plenty of talent, but no recognition. dre and snoop are the only ones who attract attention towards the westcoast. can u imagine the radio stations without any of snoop or dre's music. they would play like 1 or 2 westcoast songs a day.
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is that their fault?
what about '5 on it'.. yuk was there once..
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because they have the weight of the westcoast on their shoulders.
c'mon u really think crooked I could bring back the westcoast? or ecay uno? or sly boogie? or roscoe?
look at album sales, radio play, video play. snoop and dre are 90% of all that for the wc I bet.
its like barry bonds and the giants. w/o bonds, the giants ain't shit and have no chance. sure they got good players besides bonds, but they can't win w/o him. the westcoast has plenty of talent, but no recognition. dre and snoop are the only ones who attract attention towards the westcoast. can u imagine the radio stations without any of snoop or dre's music. they would play like 1 or 2 westcoast songs a day.
None of this shit is at all Snoop or Dre's fault........Video, Radio Play and album sales having nothing to do with Snoop or Dre being in control.....So the fact that other artists arnt getting play on tv and radio has to do with the people in charge of radio and television....
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it's not all these rapper's faults though...i mean come on, the only two people that are heading the west coast are a 140 pound gangsta killer/pimp/ family man, and a guy that used to wear make up? and these are our most charismatic rappers on the west?
ok lets talk about rapper's appeal.....you got skills and then you got character
south
how much stage personality do these southern rappers have? the majority of them look like they suffer from some birth defect such as down syndrome, or fetal alcohol syndrome....and they still get play on MTV, BET and the radio stations.
lyrics....garbage....half of these section 8 bastards think they're running bootcamp and shit, shouting out rehashed drill cadences...and the beats could be summed up as prehistoric
east
you got east coast rappers that try to be pretty boys or the ones that try and act all grimey, and most of them can pull off what they're trying to look like (except ja rule, he looks like a retarded rotisery chicken)
and i have to admit, they have 100 times more lyrical skill than the south...but so does dr suess. but they really don't say shit that's important. it's always i love women, i love money, i love my jewels and cars.....and then you do get the gangsta rapper from the east.....but that shit is just stolen off the west
west
got all the gangsta rappers, pimps, hustlas.....ok so we don't have that much of a selection, and some of them range from charismatic....too down right freak show.
lyrically and flow wise....we have everything, we got laid back (snoop)...we got in your face (xzibit) and i can go on and on. and the west has rapped about everything and they continue to do that...when's the last time you heard east or south rap about the record industry? (dj quik, ice cube, e 40)
all i'm trying to say is i believe everything dj quik said on what they think about you...
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Because Dre & Snoop got lucky...
If Snoop wasn't with Death Row back in da dayz, he would be just another Sly Boogie...
Tha fact that they waz wit Death Row and tha way Suge Knight handled they business & put em on made them West Coast's only mainstream rappers these dayz...WHY are they mainstream? because they have tha rich white doods behind their backs, therefore they have a chance 2 make a difference & make West Coast movements in this East Coast dominated game...but when they go signin their 50s, rakims, brooklyns and joe beasts instead of some rappers from their own turf...then people point they fingers at em like 'cmon, what tha fuc y'all doin?'
It makes perfect sense...just think about it a lil more deeply...I swear I got nothin against Snoop or Dre, but when I see all this shit take place...it just makes me shake my head and speak out what I believe in...
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Because Dre & Snoop got lucky...
If Snoop wasn't with Death Row back in da dayz, he would be just another Sly Boogie...
Tha fact that they waz wit Death Row and tha way Suge Knight handled they business & put em on made them West Coast's only mainstream rappers these dayz...
Well If this is true, and alota peeps on here think that Crook is much more talented than Snoop, then tell me why Crook hasnt blown the fuck up yet? Believe it or not, Snoop does have talent is is appealing to alot of people...
but when they go signin their 50s, rakims, brooklyns and joe beasts instead of some rappers from their own turf...then people point they fingers at em like 'cmon, what tha fuc y'all doin?'
Well I cant speak for Dre, but Snoop has taken alota westcoast acts under his wing, and he put the beach on the map.....And infact, has ONLY westcoast acts signed to his label.....No eastocast artists are signed with Snoop.....
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...but when they go signin their 50s, rakims, brooklyns and joe beasts instead of some rappers from their own turf...then people point they fingers at em like 'cmon, what tha fuc y'all doin?'
The people that "point they fingers at em like 'cmon, what tha fuc y'all doin?" just don't get that most people don't give a shit where you were born or where you "rep". They sign people or work with people because they think they are talented, they like them, or think it would be a good business/career move.
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Well If this is true, and alota peeps on here think that Crook is much more talented than Snoop, then tell me why Crook hasnt blown the fuck up yet? Believe it or not, Snoop does have talent is is appealing to alot of people...
Wat tha eff? How can U compare tha 93 Death Row to tha 03 Death Row? In 93 that shit waz a BIG marketing opprtunity that all tha big time distributors jumped on, they were making a movement that waz gonna blow up no matter what...tha real bizzness brains invested BIG and profited BIG...whoever waz part of it came out successful...Do U really think someone like Daz Dillinger would even be able 2 sell more than 1000 records these dayz if his foundation wasn't as strong as it is? Tha guy SUX...He has no talent as a rapper...sorry 2 say...
Snoop, ofcourse he would do well as a rapper...he has that charisma...but do U really think he would be able 2 express it like this? look @ how much he is praised 4 his so called izzle slang...if someone from tha bay had tha opportunity like Snoop and showed these muthafucaz what real slang is on a mainstream level, they would be praised like a muthafuca...
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The people that "point they fingers at em like 'cmon, what tha fuc y'all doin?" just don't get that most people don't give a shit where you were born or where you "rep". They sign people or work with people because they think they are talented, they like them, or think it would be a good business/career move.
lmao...yur saying this as a fan's point of view...dats tha logical thing to say...Ur not lookin into it deep enuff...East Coast DO give a shit about who's "reppin" what...that is why they wanna see themselves succeed and they are winning...THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US...how many times do I gotta stress this? No it is not some spoiled kid talk...IT IS ALL ABOUT WHERE U "rep" in this game...TRUST ME MAN...Y'all should come here so I can take 2 some of these distributor offices...It's deeper than it looks man...Magazines = East then South, Radio = East then South, All kinda media that reaches tha fans on a mainstream level = East then South...Why? Because they take pride in where they "rep" and will do anything to see they turf succeed...This all goes on in behind tha scenes wit all tha bizzness brains that are operating on tha game...be open minded homeboy...
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Rodzilla came correct. Snoop and Dre got luccy. Y'all need to realize that this shit will alwayz be how it is. I find it funny when so and so says they gonna bring the West bacc. Just like Complex said...we never left! We've alwayz been here, under the radar screen. Nothing's ever gonna change. So we should just stop bitchin', kicc bacc, and hope that our artists continue to put out bangin' music.
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Why do we blame everything on Snoop and Dr. Dre?
Because we can't blame MC Hammer and Oaktown's 357 8)
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If Sly Boogie and Jelly Roll were were the two most sucessful in the rap game from the west then we would blame them. I really gotta give snoop credit he has some how some way kept his career going after so many times it could have ended. He releases Sub-Par album after sub-par album, wack movie after wack movie and yet he stays sucessful. Peeps call him to feature ask to be on his album give t.v shows and shit. I guess peeps are mad that they feel they do more and they dont get what he gets, but pissin on his fire aint gonna give your career a spark.
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If Sly Boogie and Jelly Roll were were the two most sucessful in the rap game from the west then we would blame them.
True
He releases Sub-Par album after sub-par album, wack movie after wack movie and yet he stays sucessful.
I wouldn't say Doggfather,Top Dogg and Last Meal are sub-par,unless you consider Doggystyle as on par..........but let that rest,it's a whole different matter...
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Bottom Line....After 19/20 years, Ruthless, Deathrow, Aftermath Dre has earned at least the right to work with whoever the fuck he wants to. Suge and Tupac did him a favor by dissing the hell out of him. Instead of wasting time responding, he just started working with more Eastcoast rappers. No disrespect but where is Tupac now...and by the way, where is Suge...I just can't understand why Westcoast fans, Westcoast wannabe rappers, refuse to give this man the respect he deserves. Who knows, maybe that's why he does not work with more westcoast talent. The East would/does appreciate him and Snoop more than you guys do.
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south
how much stage personality do these southern rappers have? the majority of them look like they suffer from some birth defect such as down syndrome, or fetal alcohol syndrome....and they still get play on MTV, BET and the radio stations.
lyrics....garbage....half of these section 8 bastards think they're running bootcamp and shit, shouting out rehashed drill cadences...and the beats could be summed up as prehistoric
east
you got east coast rappers that try to be pretty boys or the ones that try and act all grimey, and most of them can pull off what they're trying to look like (except ja rule, he looks like a retarded rotisery chicken)
and i have to admit, they have 100 times more lyrical skill than the south...but so does dr suess. but they really don't say shit that's important. it's always i love women, i love money, i love my jewels and cars.....and then you do get the gangsta rapper from the east.....but that shit is just stolen off the west
^^now that's some ignorant shit right there LoL I won't even bother tryin to make u closeminded noob realize what u talkin about
Because Dre & Snoop got lucky...
If Snoop wasn't with Death Row back in da dayz, he would be just another Sly Boogie...
Tha fact that they waz wit Death Row and tha way Suge Knight handled they business & put em on made them West Coast's only mainstream rappers these dayz...WHY are they mainstream? because they have tha rich white doods behind their backs
LoL @ "rich white doods"
8 million rich white doods baught Dre's 2001.. the hiphop fan base seems to be pretty damn well off (and white.. but we all know white = rich anyway)
and maybe u never heard of em but there was NWA and Ruthless before Death Row and Dre was known before he ever met Suge Knight.. it was the Eazy beef + the quality of the music + the fact that Dre was already known for his production skills that made em successful in the first place and not Suge.. Dre "wazn't" just "with Derath Row ".. he "waz" Death Row.. he founded it even though he needed Suge to get him out of that contract
3 times he had a west coast label be on top.. now days aftermath is just a hiphop label but ain't nothin wrong with that.. he doesn't owe the West Coast SHIT.. nobody did more for it than him and the only time it was on top was with and cuz of him
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^^now that's some ignorant shit right there LoL I won't even bother tryin to make u closeminded noob realize what u talkin about
oh shit i've been called a noob....are we playing everquest or talking about rap here?
yes i'll say it, south music sucks because it says absolutely nothing and doesn't further hip hop as an art...either does east and that's all you hear on the radio or on TV....
i know that there are underground artists around the world the represent east, north, canada and all that other shit... but we're talking about radio rap so it would be nice to take my comments in context rather than get your feelings hurt
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^^now that's some ignorant shit right there LoL I won't even bother tryin to make u closeminded noob realize what u talkin about
oh shit i've been called a noob....are we playing everquest or talking about rap here?
yes i'll say it, south music sucks because it says absolutely nothing and doesn't further hip hop as an art...either does east and that's all you hear on the radio or on TV....
i know that there are underground artists around the world the represent east, north, canada and all that other shit... but we're talking about radio rap so it would be nice to take my comments in context rather than get your feelings hurt
no feelings.. that's why I don't care and just won't waste time
if we talkin about what the radio plays how are the west artists any better than the east when it comes to subject matter? if u say all the east talks about is love, jewells n cars u might as well say all the west talks about is gangsta, pimpin n weed
and how did the east steal gangsta rap from the west when Schoolly D started it..?
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First off, I dont think dre and snoop should be responosible for bringing back the west. Itll take new talent to do that and not the same ol old ass rappers. But dre, like ive said before, could do more for the west so shit, he can face criticism for that. I mean lets switch regions. JD still represents where hes from and his roster shows that. Snoops from long beach and he brings niggas up from long beach. Diddy is from NY and he brings fools up from NY. Dre is from LA and he brings up Eminem and 50 cent. Hes been back in the game for 4 years and he aint signed and dropped one west coast artist. Yeah, i gotta a problem with that. Snoop is doin his thing, i aint got too much criticism for snoop.
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Praise Represent! He sums my thoughts up! You'll get a shout out as soon as I think it's time for that stuff. (500 posts)
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LoL @ "rich white doods"
8 million rich white doods baught Dre's 2001.. the hiphop fan base seems to be pretty damn well off (and white.. but we all know white = rich anyway)
and maybe u never heard of em but there was NWA and Ruthless before Death Row and Dre was known before he ever met Suge Knight.. it was the Eazy beef + the quality of the music + the fact that Dre was already known for his production skills that made em successful in the first place and not Suge.. Dre "wazn't" just "with Derath Row ".. he "waz" Death Row.. he founded it even though he needed Suge to get him out of that contract
jesus....I make a comment about DPG, im a DPG hater, I make a comment about rich white doods, I guess I'm racist now.....mannn, by rich white doods, I mean tha MAJORS, I thought everyone would get that in a second.....
and believe it or not.....Dre waz "with" death row.....think about it carefully.....and BY death row I don't mean just tha label.....I mean everything, timing and all.....they came up in dat lil Suge era.....biggest era in rap by far, because it waz tha 1st time rap waz goin mainstream, like it or not, Suge is da mastermind behind all that.....without his bizzness tactics, they wouldn't be a 1/4 successful as they came out to be......In this game, talent don't mean shit, it's tha way U handle yur bizzness dat decides yur fate......But still, I wasn't hating, I waz just mentioning how Dre & Snoop were fortunate enuff 2 come up like that and really in da East they are tha most respected because they are tha most known, so when U are in da spotlight................................................U know how dat go, I ain't tryin 2 get into it again.........
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i know Schoolly D started gangsta rap, i have all of his classic cd's like......no wait i don't, you know why? cause he's a no name...and no names don't get credited for inventing things.
plus gangsta rap comes from running with gangs and shit, we all know gang life didn't start on the east, unless you count that leonardo dicaprio movie...
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You got some good points, and i probably agree 99%....
Good read....
word.
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i know Schoolly D started gangsta rap, i have all of his classic cd's like......no wait i don't, you know why? cause he's a no name...and no names don't get credited for inventing things.
plus gangsta rap comes from running with gangs and shit, we all know gang life didn't start on the east, unless you count that leonardo dicaprio movie...
You're making yourself look pretty stupid with this post.
*hopes somehow he's being sarcastic or is joking*
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jesus....I make a comment about DPG, im a DPG hater, I make a comment about rich white doods, I guess I'm racist now.....mannn, by rich white doods, I mean tha MAJORS, I thought everyone would get that in a second.....
and believe it or not.....Dre waz "with" death row.....think about it carefully.....and BY death row I don't mean just tha label.....I mean everything, timing and all.....they came up in dat lil Suge era.....biggest era in rap by far, because it waz tha 1st time rap waz goin mainstream, like it or not, Suge is da mastermind behind all that.....without his bizzness tactics, they wouldn't be a 1/4 successful as they came out to be......In this game, talent don't mean shit, it's tha way U handle yur bizzness dat decides yur fate......But still, I wasn't hating, I waz just mentioning how Dre & Snoop were fortunate enuff 2 come up like that and really in da East they are tha most respected because they are tha most known, so when U are in da spotlight................................................U know how dat go, I ain't tryin 2 get into it again.........
I know u talkin about "tha majors" but that's bullshit too.. the majors are white but not rich.. wtf gave u that idea
and Suge was necessary cuz of the contract but he wasn't the one who brougth attention with the Eazy beef, he wasn't the one who was already well known and a former part of the group that made gangsta rap big, he wasn't the one who brought Snoop to Death Row and he didn't make the actual music.. so how can he be "da mastermind behind all that"..?
Ruthless became successful and big when Dre joined.. without any Suge.. Dre formed Death Row with Suge.. Dre left Death Row, Death Row fell of, Dre formed Aftermath, Aftermath is on top.. it's pretty damn obvies who is and was the mastermind.. of course it wasn't just him but he was definatly more important than Suge
i know Schoolly D started gangsta rap, i have all of his classic cd's like......no wait i don't, you know why? cause he's a no name...and no names don't get credited for inventing things.
plus gangsta rap comes from running with gangs and shit, we all know gang life didn't start on the east, unless you count that leonardo dicaprio movie...
You're making yourself look pretty stupid with this post.
*hopes somehow he's being sarcastic or is joking*
I kinda gave up that hope.. maybe he'll prove me wrong
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I know u talkin about "tha majors" but that's bullshit too.. the majors are white but not rich.. wtf gave u that idea
LMAOOOOO......wow, this quote is classic, I gotta show my folks......'majors are not rich' lololol
TRUST me when I say no matter how dope tha music is, it will never get big as long as U have tha bizzness brains operating on it......period......Wuteva I said on top^ I am still stickin with cuzz U can not change facts......
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And about all tha bullshit U talkin...No hate 2 Dre...BUT Facts are that...
If Cube didn't write the albums and if Eazy didn't fund it, N.W.A. would've been nothing. It was a collective effort. And, if it wasn't for Suge, Dre would've still been getting fucked at Ruthless. Y'all ain't knowing OR U do but U gettin too caught up in Dre's hype.
Dre and Snoop, especially Dre, have the power to take ANY artist to a label and say "hey, I want you to check this cat out, he's talented." Majors won't listen to the West unless it's Dre/Snoop affiliated (lil exagerrated but on point) Why? Because Dre & Snoop are tha leaders, Everyone else out here is looked at as too hardcore and not marketable, for no other reason than being from the West Coast. There's sooo much hidden talent no one knowin about, YES, I'm talkin bout U knuckleheads out here too, Get @ me on AIM & I'll show U random artists workin they ass off everyday that never get heard, guaranteed U will luv it, Regardless of the hits they pump out, nobody on the West has a chance until Snoop and Dre start helping out. As soon as they make a couple of examples out of West Coast artists, then Majors will slide out here again and start lookin 4 talent...It's just like when Scouts go to tha top high skools lookin for talent, U never see scouts goin to 3rd division high skools lookin for individuals...but as soon as some of them 3rd division teams start improving a couple of scouts go lookin and tha rest follow...
YES...some cats like Baby Beesh, Jacka etc just did get Major deals wit Universal and majors like that...but fact is, they are backburners...because of tha fact that they are from tha west coast...It has EVERYTHING 2 do with where U "rep"...please don't get it twisted...remember, nothin but facts here...ain't tryin 2 be biast...
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Schoolly D will never be remembered for his rhymes, which often bordered on rote and elementary; but when packaged with DJ Code Money's woofer-cracking 808 bass and long-distance scratches, they morphed into some of the most memorable and well-loved hip-hop songs of all time. Schoolly planted the seeds of gangsta rap ("P.S.K. What Does It Mean?" and "Parkside 5-2" were shouts to the infamous Parkside Killers gang in north Philly) while bragging about the trappings of success ("Gucci Time," "Put Your Filas On," "Fat Gold Chain"), but his most notorious recorded moment was his diary of a typical weekend night ("Saturday Night"), where he finds himself getting drunk, losing his key, picking up a hooker, then confronting his pistol- packing mom. However, the late 1980s found him trying to replicate the shock value on "Smoke Some Kill," "Coqui 900," and the sophomoric "Mr. Big Dick," but by then, gangsta rap had migrated to South Central--leaving Schoolly looking old and in the way. The Jive Collection reminds us that he was neither. His drum patterns and booming bass have become key documents, Xeroxed by producers. Schoolly D's psycho realm is best appreciated in the darkness of a club, four-foot woofers beating out the drum pattern in your chest, his terse sentence structure dumbing you down with him. --Todd Inoue
here's what a reviewer had to say about schoolly d. to sum it up, his raps could be contributed to the start of gangsta rap, but he never persued it until he saw others making money, and since he had no skill, he was just saying shit for shock value.
now with the little history lesson out of the way....east coast and south radio hits have been about the same 4-5 subjects for about 5 years....westcoast radio hits vary alot more......as i said in another post, the last few westcoast radio songs out here were smooth sailing, and thug mansion...ok one is about a good lifestyle, the other actually song actually says something, isn't talking about bitches, jewelry or dancing
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LMAO @ "being gangsta" is stolen from the West.. ::)
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yeah you're right, that gangsta shit came from norway....
anyways the west made gangsta rap popular and mainstream....very few were doing it before, none were having success with it but the west perfected it and now every one is doing it....
and since you guys just like to read and not comprehend....i'll give a basic example......
in the states in the early ninties there was this rap group named kriss kross...they wore their pants backwards....now i'm pretty damn sure they didn't invent this.....but if you ask any one who did, they will say kriss kross...why? because they brought it to the mainstream audience....so now if any rapper were to start wearing thier clothes backwards.......people will say "look at those morons, they're copying kriss kross" even though they didn't invent that...
maybe when you come to the states, play jeopardy and there's a hip hop theme, i'll give you props, but for now you're just showing useless rap knowledge and not displaying any form of common sense.....west coast MADE gangsta rap period
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Represent, BEST THREAD OF THE YEAR and mad props man.......especially the part about commercial success!!! I mean, damnit, if someone wants some commercial success then make some music that appeals to the masses! That does not mean selling out entirely; contrary to alot of peoples belief, it is harder to make a hit song than an underground song half of the time. What the rest of the west needs to do is step the fuck up like te south has (even if i dont like the music from the south aside from Scarface)
once again, big priops represent
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yell know how i feel about this if you bitch and complain about not coming up and blame it on someone else then you never going to come up......i agree with this thread period
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Represent, BEST THREAD OF THE YEAR and mad props man.......especially the part about commercial success!!! I mean, damnit, if someone wants some commercial success then make some music that appeals to the masses! That does not mean selling out entirely; contrary to alot of peoples belief, it is harder to make a hit song than an underground song half of the time. What the rest of the west needs to do is step the fuck up like te south has (even if i dont like the music from the south aside from Scarface)
once again, big priops represent
lmao....here we go again with people thinkin it's all about makin hit songs 2 come up....like hey we just made a hit song, this means we will be on Mtv and we gone get rich....
some of y'all really piss me off sometimes cuzz u never think outside tha box....it's all like a game 2 y'all....but ofcourse, fans dunno tha bizzness side, all they see is tha media....so really, I dunno why I get pissed....so fuck it....
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Rodzilla, i dont who blows up(my favourite two rappers are Ras Kass and Masta ACe by the way) and i know there is mad politics in the game that hold many artists down. And i dont think a hit song is necessarily the key to success and definetely not to longevity. And I understand the rap game is FUCKED up as the last major artist to actually blow up without major connections was Nelly. But yo, enlighten myself and all of the other people who do not "think outside the box" on the game that you seem to know all to well. I am not trying to be a jerk, just elaborate
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Rodzilla, i dont who blows up(my favourite two rappers are Ras Kass and Masta ACe by the way) and i know there is mad politics in the game that hold many artists down. And i dont think a hit song is necessarily the key to success and definetely not to longevity. And I understand the rap game is FUCKED up as the last major artist to actually blow up without major connections was Nelly. But yo, enlighten myself and all of the other people who do not "think outside the box" on the game that you seem to know all to well. I am not trying to be a jerk, just elaborate
Actually Nelly did have major connections sort of. His manager is Coota Luuv, the former manager of Mase,so it was easier for him to get airplay and favors. The thing most West Coast acts LACK is good management!!!! The one West Coast act who suprised me is Yukmouth because he was or still is under RuffRyders Management and still gets no airplay.
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yeah you're right, that gangsta shit came from norway....
anyways the west made gangsta rap popular and mainstream....very few were doing it before, none were having success with it but the west perfected it and now every one is doing it....
and since you guys just like to read and not comprehend....i'll give a basic example......
in the states in the early ninties there was this rap group named kriss kross...they wore their pants backwards....now i'm pretty damn sure they didn't invent this.....but if you ask any one who did, they will say kriss kross...why? because they brought it to the mainstream audience....so now if any rapper were to start wearing thier clothes backwards.......people will say "look at those morons, they're copying kriss kross" even though they didn't invent that...
maybe when you come to the states, play jeopardy and there's a hip hop theme, i'll give you props, but for now you're just showing useless rap knowledge and not displaying any form of common sense.....west coast MADE gangsta rap period
You're a moron.
So the Westcoast as a whole COPYRIGHTED rapping about "gangsta" topics ?
Anybody using "Gangsta" expressions should either be from the Westcoast, or apply for the right to use it.. ??
Next thing you know, Italian mafia are gonna sue 30% of all rappers for using mafia nicknames and expressions.. ::)
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You look it at this way the reason the west don't sell ain't
because of Dre and Snoop it's because the lack of
promotion they have. The record labels won't spend too
much to promote their albums, they get no play on radio
or their videos played on MTV etc.. But also how many
people on this board rip westcoast artists records??
huh cause if you do you are part of the problem why they
don't sell, cause when labels see a lot of albums being
bootleged they won't promote all that much.
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But also how many
people on this board rip westcoast artists records??
huh cause if you do you are part of the problem why they
don't sell, cause when labels see a lot of albums being
bootleged they won't promote all that much.
Eastcoast artists have the same problem.
Bootlegging isn't a Westcoast phenomenom.
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I know u talkin about "tha majors" but that's bullshit too.. the majors are white but not rich.. wtf gave u that idea
LMAOOOOO......wow, this quote is classic, I gotta show my folks......'majors are not rich' lololol
I thought u were talkin about the majority of the fans that be supporting Dre n Snoop, not the labels..
And about all tha bullshit U talkin...No hate 2 Dre...BUT Facts are that...
If Cube didn't write the albums and if Eazy didn't fund it, N.W.A. would've been nothing. It was a collective effort. And, if it wasn't for Suge, Dre would've still been getting fucked at Ruthless. Y'all ain't knowing OR U do but U gettin too caught up in Dre's hype.
Dre and Snoop, especially Dre, have the power to take ANY artist to a label and say "hey, I want you to check this cat out, he's talented." Majors won't listen to the West unless it's Dre/Snoop affiliated (lil exagerrated but on point) Why? Because Dre & Snoop are tha leaders, Everyone else out here is looked at as too hardcore and not marketable, for no other reason than being from the West Coast. There's sooo much hidden talent no one knowin about, YES, I'm talkin bout U knuckleheads out here too, Get @ me on AIM & I'll show U random artists workin they ass off everyday that never get heard, guaranteed U will luv it, Regardless of the hits they pump out, nobody on the West has a chance until Snoop and Dre start helping out. As soon as they make a couple of examples out of West Coast artists, then Majors will slide out here again and start lookin 4 talent...It's just like when Scouts go to tha top high skools lookin for talent, U never see scouts goin to 3rd division high skools lookin for individuals...but as soon as some of them 3rd division teams start improving a couple of scouts go lookin and tha rest follow...
and lol @u sayin "no hate for Dre" but completely ignoring what he did for Ruthless and acting like it was all Eazy and Cube.. Ruthless didn't have NO success until Dre joined and he was the one who talked Eazy into rapping.. if it wasn't for his production Ruthless woulda never blown up.. and what's the point in repeating that Suge got Dre out of his contract when I already mentioned this and sayin "yall ain't knowin"..? it doesn't make any sense at all
I already said Dre needed Suge for that but that doesn't mean Suge was the mastermind behind all that cuz u don't need to be a mastermind to run into somebody's office with a bat and a gun and make him sign some shit
and no matter what power Dre got.. he doesn't have to sign nobody, especially not just cuz he's from the west.. he got himself in the position in which he is now days and it's up to him who he signs.. he helped the west coast enough in the past, he gives a fuck about coasts now days.. ain't nothin wrong with that and u'll have to accept that fact and so will Yuk and Bo
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I'm amazed how these wannabe, important experts on the innerworkings of the rap game have so much time to come down and school us regular FANS on how the game really works. The proof is in the pudding. Suge was a nobody before Dre, and only because of Tupac was he able to hold on as long as he has after Dre. That's why he HATES Dre. Scarface said it perfectly a few years ago when he said that Dre was like the Terminator in how he is able to rebuild himself time and time again. Dre will also get past this Source magazine bullshit. I'M STILL WAITING FOR MR. KNIGHT TO REBUILD HIMSELF JUST ONCE. I know he survived prison but I'm talking about his career, his record label. If he was the mastermind he is supposed to be, Deathrow would at least be a decent label. I'm not even talking about the 90's DR. I'm talking about just being decent. Dre could shut down Aftermath today, start a new label tomorrow and somehow be on top again in a few years. Has he not proven it????? Advice to the Westcoast. Enjoy Dre while you have him......You've had the best.
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You're a moron.
So the Westcoast as a whole COPYRIGHTED rapping about "gangsta" topics ?
Anybody using "Gangsta" expressions should either be from the Westcoast, or apply for the right to use it.. ??
Next thing you know, Italian mafia are gonna sue 30% of all rappers for using mafia nicknames and expressions.. ::)
yep that's exactly what i mean.......wait...can anyone else that isn't a total fucking retard tell me where he got copyrighted in ANY of my posts?....answer me this lil lame, when you feel stupid do you just throw words into people's mouths to try and win arguements?
so since you're on this fake copyrighted shit....i guess it'll be ok for every rapper to start yelling "it's murrrrrdaaaaaaah" and no one will think nothing of it because it's not copyrighted.
it's cool that you're from a different country and all, and you spend all day on the internet studying our culture, trying to learn all these little factiods and shit, but what you can't learn on the internet is some common fucking sense...
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How tha fuck can a man on parole come up real BIG now in these times? He is stricly a bizznessman, Dat era was different...mann, think about it...I dun even like Suge, but I alwayz keep it real...
And about DRE being tha mastermind of Death Row...once again, I repeat, if it wasn't for Suge, Death Row wouldn't have been SHIT!!!!!!!
Argue that all U want...a dope producer does not mean success, especially when he didn't have no money 2 start with, I know cats out here way better than Dre on da boards...It's Dre's hype that everyone falls into thinking he is superman...I'll show U shit that is way more complex but U ain't gone feel it now, is U? but if I swear Dre did this, U would be all over tha beat...I'm just being real mayne...
Anywayz, tha topic is gettin outta hand here...2 tha muthafucaz that want me to "elaborate"...lol, eff dat shit...I've been writing fuckin essays on this shit in da past 3 dayz on this board...go find em & read em carefully...
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yep that's exactly what i mean.......wait...can anyone else that isn't a total fucking retard tell me where he got copyrighted in ANY of my posts?....answer me this lil lame, when you feel stupid do you just throw words into people's mouths to try and win arguements?
so since you're on this fake copyrighted shit....i guess it'll be ok for every rapper to start yelling "it's murrrrrdaaaaaaah" and no one will think nothing of it because it's not copyrighted.
it's cool that you're from a different country and all, and you spend all day on the internet studying our culture, trying to learn all these little factiods and shit, but what you can't learn on the internet is some common fucking sense...
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Doesn't even deserve a reply.
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What it comes down to, is, Nobody put Dre & Snoop on, they put themselves on (well, snoop got put on by Dre, but help put Dre on, too). Since then, the only person that's 'blown up' out west is Tupac. So, lesse here. You have Ice Cube, Dre, Snoop, and Tupac. That's it.
Out East and South, people put themselves on every couple months. Nobody put Ludakris on. Nobody was bitching about Timbaland not getting a helping hand. Nobody made the Wu. List goes on and on and on. Probably 3 dozen or so people on Dre & Snoop's level that aren't from the west put themselves on. It's not Dre & Snoop's fault nobody else can step up. People just don't like westcoast music, we gotta face the facts.
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And another thing I dont get, people always say Dre & Snoop don't help out, look at all the fucking people they have worked with, that haven't done shit. The westcoast is full of people Dre & Snoop have done songs with, that are tight as hell, and they can't get anywhere. I'll just name a few of the obvious.
Warren G
Daz
Kurupt
Nate Dogg (Hell, he's blown up to an extent, but his albums don't sell).
Lady Of Rage
Soopafly
Eastsidaz (Have done alright)
Kokane
E white
Knoc'Turnal
Hittman
6'2
E A Ski
RBX
King T
On and On and On. It's easy to say Dre killed half of them by not putting albums out, but the way yall talk, all it takes is Snoop & Dre to do a song with them and they blow the fuck up. Why haven't they done shit? A few of them had a lil' success, Warren, Nate, Eastsidaz, but most of them either stop making music or just bitch about how Dre or Snoop fucked them over. Nobody's doing anything for themselves, I've got more respect for the bay area guys that stay hustlin all the time and sell their own and don't even care about whether or not somebody helps them out.
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In conclusion:
Blaming your failures (not acheiving mainstream success since it's seems that it's a goal) on others or some other factors is just pathetic.
Don't cry about the New York is "hating" on you, or a big conspiracy to not play west coast music in the east, or Dre and Snoop not helping you out, etc.
YOU SOUND STUPID
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In conclusion:
Blaming your failures (not acheiving mainstream success since it's seems that it's a goal) on others or some other factors is just pathetic.
Don't cry about the New York is "hating" on you, or a big conspiracy to not play west coast music in the east, or Dre and Snoop not helping you out, etc.
YOU SOUND STUPID
Well it is true, but everyone needs to stop bitchin' about it.
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In conclusion:
Blaming your failures (not acheiving mainstream success since it's seems that it's a goal) on others or some other factors is just pathetic.
Don't cry about the New York is "hating" on you, or a big conspiracy to not play west coast music in the east, or Dre and Snoop not helping you out, etc.
YOU SOUND STUPID
Well put.
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you know if youre from the west you should show special apreceation for the west and not just were you from but the whole west.See thats what made PAC so special PAC collaberated with every body no matter where they was from, But even pac showed special intrest in the WEST. If snoop and dre did alot of that what pac did then the west would had never fallen off just think about it E-40 RAPPING OVER DRE BEATS YUKMOUTH DRU DOWN RAPIN 4 TAY YOUNG LAY TOO SHORT MAC DRE AND THE LIST GOES ON.....HOLLA
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what i noticed about pac that got me mad, but i realize now is....he never really fucked with the big names on the west coast....like i would have loved to hear a dre, ice cube, 2pac song.....but oh well...when's 2pac supposed to come back now?
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you know if youre from the west you should show special apreceation for the west and not just were you from but the whole west.See thats what made PAC so special PAC collaberated with every body no matter where they was from, But even pac showed special intrest in the WEST. If snoop and dre did alot of that what pac did then the west would had never fallen off just think about it E-40 RAPPING OVER DRE BEATS YUKMOUTH DRU DOWN RAPIN 4 TAY YOUNG LAY TOO SHORT MAC DRE AND THE LIST GOES ON.....HOLLA
I personally could not imagine Dre & E-40 hooking up....I'm not hating, it's just that I'm not a fan of E-40's style and maybe Dre and other producers are not either. I'm sure Snoop worked with at least a couple of those cats you mentioned. Once again, how much can two men do especially when they have done so much already.
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^ Exactly, snoop worked with E-40, Dre's worked with E A Ski, King T, etc. And none of them ever did anything with it. What about Soopafly? Snoop's rode Soopa's dick for years, and he still hasnt' got anything accomplished. The simple facts is people don't wanna hear westcoast shit, that's why Nwa, Eazy, Bone, Cube, Dre, Snoop, Pac are about the only people who ever blew up out of the west.
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This will be my only reply to this, so don't bother trying to argue.
Dre didn't put himself on. N.W.A. was a collective effort. If it wasn't for Eazy's funding and Cubes writing, N.W.A. would've never happened, and Dre would still be in eye-liner and make up. He didn't put Deathrow on by himself. Without Suge's funds, Snoop, RBX and D.O.C.'s writing The Chronic wouldn't have worked. Known fact.
Now, Dre and Snoop are the two MAIN bread winners out West. They claim to be the Kings of the West Coast, but they rarely get out of L.A. When Snoop gets down with someone outside of L.A.(and I'm talking strictly on the West), he gives them some booty ass verse or something that's already been released. True, he's networking with them, but what kinda bullshit is that? Why does he rip a joint with an unknown cat like Chingy(because they recorded that song way before "Right Thurr" was a hit outside of Missouri), and not lace up a dope track with someone in the Bay/Sac/Northwest? For that matter, San Diego?
Snoop and Dre are egomaniacs. That's why they don't escape L.A. to work with other artists. In San Diego and the rest of the West(excluding L.A.) Dre and Snoop aren't even regarded as that tight. San Diegans by pass L.A. and go straight up North, because that's who they look up to. Bay cats look up to Bay cats. Sac heads look up to other Sacramento residents. Etc. Snoop and especially Dre, want to be the biggest stars at all times. They don't want to work with a cat who looks at E-40 as a bigger Icon than them. It's the truth.
People say, "oh well Dre worked with E-A-Ski." Yea, he worked with him, and what did he do? He pretty much blocked all the work from coming out. "He worked with King Tee..." what happened to Tipsy's album? Released years later. The last West Coast album Dre put out(aside from his) was Snoop's "Doggystyle." He produces here and there for cats out here. Xzibit, Snoop, Kurupt, Nate, 40 Glocc(but, he's down with the DPGs, so it was no suprise) and a few others.
Dre and Snoop have the power to take any artist to a label and say "peep this cat, he got talent" "oh aight Snoop/Dre no problem." Now, they don't have to, but they should. No matter how hot an artist out here is, they won't listen to him unless it's Dre or Snoop affiliated. Listen to Yukmouth's album, yea it's on a major label, but we all know Rap-A-Lot and Virgin aren't really working out well. Yuk has plenty of tight commercial/club joints on the album, but gets no play. Why? Because a real good label doesn't want to scoop him. It's not that he's not talented, because he'll rip apart almost any emcee, but because he's not Dre or Snoop affiliated and he's from the Bay. The Bay is not a major market. L.A. is the major market. Majors are afraid to go to the Bay. They can't market them. Also because the lack of affiliation.
Sad to say, but L.A. only supports L.A. That's why everyone in the West skips over us and networks elsewhere. Yukmouth has a huger following in Kansas City Missouri than he does in L.A. And, that's a damn shame. His own State doesn't have love for him, because he's not affiliated. Weak shit. Look at Atlanta. You see Atlanta rappers blowing up crazy. You look at their videos, you'll always see different ATL heads in their videos. They stay together. Help each other out. That's how it should be done. Look at NY. Almost all the labels up there are filled with artists from the same areas. Roc-A-Fella is the only label that ventures out, and look at how poor those projects do. I'm not for sure, but most NY cats would rather hear Jay put on someone from NY, rather than State Property. You know?
Pretty much it's not Snoop or Dre's fault that the West isn't major. But, the weight is on their shoulders. They're the only way a cat can get signed. Everyone out West is looked at as Hardcore. But, no matter what Snoop and Dre say, they're image is already established and accepted. All they have to do is help out others. Snoop does help out, but he ruins projects. Eastsidaz albums sound like Snoop albums. So, it defeats the purpose.
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Really guys, just relax, I still don't even understand why you give a fuck. If you like the music, buy it, who cares if it sells, or you think the guy's a sellout, or Dre won't work with him, or whatever. Good fucking god, what happened to just liking music? I could give a fuck who dre or snoop work with, if they want to go be Britney's backup singers I don't give a shit.