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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: teecee on September 14, 2003, 11:13:50 PM
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I know they are all good friends, but musically do tey even feel him anymore?
Im sure everyone knows that i am a huge Warren G fan and that i even gave his last album a 5/5 rating. However, i have a feeling that Snoop AND Nate both doubt Warrens hitmaking abilities considering he has not produced a hit song in a LONG time. I personally still LOVe his production as do a lot of people on this message board, but it is hard to say whether he still has what it takes to make an album have huge sales. And lets be honest, this album has to be HUGE and put up HUGE numbers(although i could care less)........i wish it could all be Warren produced, but with the way rap is today, it seems like you HAVE TO HAVE A NEPTUNES beat and gotta have some mc's who dont belong, whether we like it or not.
Another thought: while i am gonna buy and like this album no matter who produces it or is a guest on it, i wonder if the album should even be made. Seriously, it seems as though neither NAte or Snoop think enough of Warren to even get him to produce for their solos; it seems as though warren is the one who has always wanted the album, and is the one who NEEDS this album to gain back is status as a superstar. Snoop is rich and not really hungry, and Nate could make more money singing ooks for everyone in the game. To, that is the problem with this album.........
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probably, I mean look at who snoop and nate work wit these days. sure working with the neptunes will get them much more attention and money than working with warren g. but snoop is already rich, and I am sure nate is pretty well off. it would be a great sounding album if warren produced the entire thing, and guests were kept to a minimum. I see no problem with that. warren is the only one with heart.
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warren dont get the props he deserves. only the fans recognise the real
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Snoop could care less about Warren G, and even less about Daz.
He's just sticking with whatever is *hot* at the moment..
I think Snoop thinks that their train is gone, and should be able to handle themselves.
Snoop tries to break new acts though, like E.White, LaToyia, Delano, Soopafly, etc.
* = Commercially sellable
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probably, I mean look at who snoop and nate work wit these days. sure working with the neptunes will get them much more attention and money than working with warren g. but snoop is already rich, and I am sure nate is pretty well off. it would be a great sounding album if warren produced the entire thing, and guests were kept to a minimum. I see no problem with that. warren is the only one with heart.
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Real talk. It seems to me that Warren is the only one that is really wanting to do this album from the heart and for the fans. Snoop wants to do it to get a little more money and Nate seems like he never says no to anything, he just rides with the flow. Thing is, Snoop is the superstar in the group and that makes him be in charge, so we will get a half assed album. If Warren was hot rite now things would be different. It seems Snoop and Nate are doing this 213 thing without considering Warren's opinion (just read his latest interview in mtv.com) and just call him to put a verse in the songs. Fuck them both, Warren's the most talented in 213.
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Warren's the most talented in 213.
thats true
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Let me just say this: Yall don't know what the fuck Warren/Snoop/Nate's relationship is like. Maybe Warren beats the fuck out of his mom everytime he goes to visit her, and Snoop and Nate hate him for it.
That's totally random, but the point is, you don't know why the fuck snoop & Warren & Nate don't work together that much. There's probbalby something we don't know, that explains it all. Dre & Warren don't work together, either. As a matter of fact, Warren don't work. I'm gonna just leave it at that.
P.S., I'm a BIG warren G fan.
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sum peeps needs to chill out man!!! and who cares about their relationship there is an album on the way
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nobody claimed to know their relationship
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sum peeps needs to chill out man!!! and who cares about their relationship there is an album on the way
I only want a classic 213 album. If it ends up being garbage and dissapointing than I would rather have no album.
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What kind of a question is this???? ???
Music aside, these guys are all best friends.....Of coarse they respect each other...
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Well one thing I can say is that most people outside of Cali don't seem to like G-Funk as much as we do. I am in Florida for college, and I had no idea that people out here don't like G-Funk anymore, but I found out a lotta people don't like it, but they like the Neptunes, Timbaland, and Dr. Dre beats but not Quik, Warren G, and Battlecat. Now I don't think Snoop really cares about the fact that people don't like G-Funk, but at the same time, he realizes G-Funk doesn't have the same appeal as it used to.
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Yeah, but you can't go reppin the westcoast and release an album full of eastcoast producers and guests, with no leftside flava. That's what I call HYPOCRESY.
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look man its 2003..........and lets be real, aint no one nigga gone produce a whole album these days, specially if its a big album.......face it, 213 has to be a success.........and of course snoop and nate must care fo warren as he dont really need the 213 joint as much as warren but he still did it.........and lets face it the nigga aint made a hit in years and nobody really works alot with him.........includin dre............and havin 4-5 beats on a album these days is MASSIVE......seriously.........why dont y'all jus let the niggaz have a break and make sum music and when the album gets released, judge it fairly and see if its shit or not then.......
its unbeleiveable how much niggaz hate these days.........jus be glad warren is producin on this album and lets hope ther est of the producers shine to
and like scorpion said, aint noone but them know about they relationship
peace
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its unbeleiveable how much niggaz hate these days
see thats where you are wrong. I don't hate snoop at all, or nate, or warren. doggystyle is my fav album ever. I am just being realistic. 213 sounds better over warren g production than it will over neptunes, timbaland or anyone else. Tell me I am wrong. Is from tha church to tha palace a better beat than dogghouse soul food?
its unbelievable how much niggaz dickride these days.
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and havin 4-5 beats on a album these days is MASSIVE......seriously......
No..
He have produced 4-5 tracks OUT OF the 30 tracks they have made yet.
Normally, that would mean that 1-3 of these make the album.
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its unbelievable how much niggaz dickride these days.
^^ Just like how you're ridin' Warren's Dick, you mean? You think one motherfucker is gonna break or make the album? WAKE THE FUCK UP it's a 213 album, Warren will be on every track, what the fuck are you worried about? Have we got to the point where we're so tired of bitching about albums, that we have to bitch about albums that HAVENT EVEN BEEN RECORDED YET? WHAT THE FUCK? Just Calm down. Step back. Don't worry what the fuck nate snoop and Warren are doing. Wait for the album to come out, then talk your shit. By The Way, Since you seem to know what 213 sound like over a neptunes beat that hasn't even been recorded yet, I'm gonna call you next week, maybe you can use your psychic powers to pick me some fuckin' lottery numbers.
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And another thing. How do we know that this is Snoop or Nate's fault? Frankly, I don't see Warren G doing shit with anybody. Maybe he's lazy, and doesn't produce much. Maybe they have to beg him to produce 4 tracks. Who knows? Why even speculate, just let the album come out and then judge how it sounds.
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Yeah, but you can't go reppin the westcoast and release an album full of eastcoast producers and guests, with no leftside flava. That's what I call HYPOCRESY.
Full of eastcoast producers ??? B Please!
One Neptunes track and a Timbo track dont fill up the album....
90% of the album will be produced by Warren G, Dr. Dre, Fredwreck, Battlecat etc.....Thats top notch west coast production to the fullest.....Having 2-3 songs produced by the best eastcoast producers wont hurt the album IMO...
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its unbeleiveable how much niggaz hate these days
213 sounds better over warren g production than it will over neptunes, timbaland or anyone else.
How do u Know??? u heard the album already?
So they didnt sound good on the Remix of cant go for that (produced by Missy who is on Timbalands crew)
They Didnt Sound Good on Dr.Dre Remix of Game Dont wait?
They Didnt sound good on "Dont Tell" Produced by Dj Quik
and if Warren G's production was so great dont u think everybody would be knockin at his door right now?
just wait until the album comes out kid
PS: Im a big Warren G fan
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And another thing. How do we know that this is Snoop or Nate's fault? Frankly, I don't see Warren G doing shit with anybody. Maybe he's lazy, and doesn't produce much. Maybe they have to beg him to produce 4 tracks. Who knows? Why even speculate, just let the album come out and then judge how it sounds.
This reminds me. Everybody's hating on Snoop cause he wants to make money and be in the charts and works with popular artists/producers (PTCTBTB). But look at Nate. Doesn't he do the same?
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By The Way, Since you seem to know what 213 sound like over a neptunes beat that hasn't even been recorded yet, I'm gonna call you next week, maybe you can use your psychic powers to pick me some fuckin' lottery numbers.
I won't tell you any lottery numbers, but I will tell you that next week 4 greasy truckers are going to molest you.
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^^ Just like how you're ridin' Warren's Dick, you mean? You think one motherfucker is gonna break or make the album? WAKE THE FUCK UP it's a 213 album,
hey smart guy, listen to your own words. IT'S A 213 ALBUM. WARREN G IS THE DJ OF 213. I didn't make that up. I ain't ridin his dick at all, back in the day when they really were a group, warren g made the beats. dre didn't make the beats. neptunes didn't make the beats. timbaland didn't make the beats. fredwreck didn't make the beats. maybe daz made a few beats, but it was all warren. now he is gonna do 4 for the album. Oh wee. and are you guys kidding me when u say how do we know it is snoop holding back from letting warren produce more cuts.
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Sum peeps have it TWISTED!!! Warren never even rapped in 213 in the old days, he was the PRODUCER!!! So bringing in other producers is like bringing in people to produce for premo in gangstarr or pete rock in Pete rock in cl smooth, or Dre and Yella in NWA............it just fucking sucks. I mean, sure there will be exceptions, but bottom line is this album is becoming what we were all worried about.
My two cents-- they DO have a better chance of blowing without production so that is great.....but the side of me that truly loves music was really wishing and praying for an authentic westcoast lbc 213 album. Shoulda known better than to even dream about that in this day in age....
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exactly
warren is supposed to be the dj of the crew
he should be producin most of the album,,...if not, then all of it
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I agree with AC Grundy for once !!! lol
I mean, if you guys honestly think Warren only having four beats doesnt have everything to do with SNoop than wake the fuck up....and damnit, WARREN IS THE PRODUCER OF 213, Snoop is the rapper, and Nate is the singer. Warrens forte (especially nowadays) is producing, i am not sure i even wanna hear him rap over other peoples beats besides Dres. And i am not saying tis album will be at all bad, i think it just is a product of the SORRY state of rap today. peace
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Yeah, but you can't go reppin the westcoast and release an album full of eastcoast producers and guests, with no leftside flava. That's what I call HYPOCRESY.
Full of eastcoast producers ??? B Please!
One Neptunes track and a Timbo track dont fill up the album....
90% of the album will be produced by Warren G, Dr. Dre, Fredwreck, Battlecat etc.....Thats top notch west coast production to the fullest.....Having 2-3 songs produced by the best eastcoast producers wont hurt the album IMO...
I was not talkin bout the 213 album but Snoop's albums, that tend to be eastcoast biased lately. Say that it aint true. Anyway, westcoast or not, Warren's got to produce like 75% of the album. It is obvious.
What would you think if Nate Dogg sang in 4 tracks of the 213 album? Yeah, you'd prolly want yo money back. Nate Dogg is the 213 crooner and he's got to do the singing, choruses and so in the whole fucking album. Same thang with Warren. He is the fuckin DJ, let him do his part.
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man i wish bitch ass snoop was readin these forums
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Let me just say this: Yall don't know what the fuck Warren/Snoop/Nate's relationship is like. Maybe Warren beats the fuck out of his mom everytime he goes to visit her, and Snoop and Nate hate him for it.
i maybe wrong but i'm pretty sure warren's mum is dead.
my take on the whole situation....snoop is calling the shots to make a comercial album featuring warren g and nate, rather than making a 213 record where everyone has has an equal say in things and warren g handles the majority of the production
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This is the real deal....213 REALLY MISSED THERE TIME. I'm not sure why it's taken so long, but 5 years ago with Warren G handling most of the production, the album would have had a better chance of going platinum. It's not that they can't make a dope album now, it's just that fans (non westcoast) will not get excited about any album entirely produced by the G child. Fans will get a little more interested if they see The Neptunes or Timbaland's name attached to the project. Is this fair??? Of course not. It's the way of the game these days. Warren has not helped matters much by not keeping his name out there more..Whether he is lazy or no one is interested, either way, it's a shame.
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Fuck the game then.
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Again, you're all talking out of your ass. You have no idea what the fuck is going on, you have no idea why Warren isn't producing the whole album. I'll remind everybody that Warren didnt' even produce all of his last 2 albums, he's not trippin' on "I gotta produce every cut!!!!" that's bullshit. And i'm glad you're all giving me history lessons on 213, when they've NEVER EVEN RECORDED A FUCKING ALBUM. Warren was the producer because he was the only one that could produce, LOL. Now that they're famous, maybe they get other people to produce, who the fuck knows? Maybe Warren doesn't like to produce, it would explain why it takes him 4 years to do a solo album, and doesn't do 1 fucking song in between for anybody else. What it comes down to is, you're all bitching about shit you dont' know anything about. Go on hating Snoop or whatever because Warren ain't producing the whole album, but that's just you ASSuming you know what the fuck you're talking about.
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Again, you're all talking out of your ass. You have no idea what the fuck is going on, you have no idea why Warren isn't producing the whole album. I'll remind everybody that Warren didnt' even produce all of his last 2 albums, he's not trippin' on "I gotta produce every cut!!!!" that's bullshit. And i'm glad you're all giving me history lessons on 213, when they've NEVER EVEN RECORDED A FUCKING ALBUM. Warren was the producer because he was the only one that could produce, LOL. Now that they're famous, maybe they get other people to produce, who the fuck knows? Maybe Warren doesn't like to produce, it would explain why it takes him 4 years to do a solo album, and doesn't do 1 fucking song in between for anybody else. What it comes down to is, you're all bitching about shit you dont' know anything about. Go on hating Snoop or whatever because Warren ain't producing the whole album, but that's just you ASSuming you know what the fuck you're talking about.
WOW....FORGIVE US REGULAR FANS FOR HAVING AN OPINION...I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT THIS (AND MOST) BOARDS WERE FOR. MAYBE YOU EXPERTS SHOULD HAVE YOUR OWN BOARD AND YOU CAN COMPARE YOUR ALBUMS THAT NO ONE WILL EVER SEE. I REALLY DON'T THINK ALL OF US ARE BITCHING, WE ARE JUST GIVING OUR OPINION. YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW ANYMORE THAN WE DO SINCE I DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE REGULAR CONVERSATIONS WITH WARREN, SNOOP, OR NATE. YOU WANNABE EXPERTS CRACK ME UP.... ;D ;D
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Trauma you're a fucking idiot. Save yourself of some ridicule and don't talk about rap music.
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Again, you're all talking out of your ass. You have no idea what the fuck is going on, you have no idea why Warren isn't producing the whole album. I'll remind everybody that Warren didnt' even produce all of his last 2 albums, he's not trippin' on "I gotta produce every cut!!!!" that's bullshit. And i'm glad you're all giving me history lessons on 213, when they've NEVER EVEN RECORDED A FUCKING ALBUM. Warren was the producer because he was the only one that could produce, LOL. Now that they're famous, maybe they get other people to produce, who the fuck knows? Maybe Warren doesn't like to produce, it would explain why it takes him 4 years to do a solo album, and doesn't do 1 fucking song in between for anybody else. What it comes down to is, you're all bitching about shit you dont' know anything about. Go on hating Snoop or whatever because Warren ain't producing the whole album, but that's just you ASSuming you know what the fuck you're talking about.
Oh Mr Know-it-all to the rescue... ¬_¬'
And just to give you a little bit of info:
RETURN OF THE REGULATOR: Warren produced 14 outta 16 tracks.
I WANT IT ALL: Warren produced 13 outta 16 tracks.
So...mmm...yeah...he didn't produce the whole album...bitch you talkin shit....Timbaland is producing HALF of his new album and U should know he is not a lazy motherfucker...
Let us have our own opinions, ok? Dont come around here bannin our opinions with your half assed explanations.
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Damn, this is a very interesting debate.
I can understand y some people are mad that Warren isn't doin most of the album, since that may seem like selling out. At the same time, I can understand y people are coo with having other producers because they kno it will make the album appeal more.'
For me, I'll be honest, Warren G was one of my favorites in his prime, but I haven't liked a lot of his recent stuff as much. His last album was coo, it had some good beats, but nothin classic or nothin I still bump like I do to "This DJ" and Regulate.
Now if Warren went back to his old style and did this whole 213 album, some people would say the album would sound outdated, but true fans of G-Funk would love the hell outta it. If Warren stays with his current style and only does a few tracks, this album may not have the same feel as an all g-funk album, but it would still be a dope album.
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Yeah, no matta what, the album will probably end up being dope. The thing is, dope for the masses or dope for the fans. It is true that there has never been a 213 album befo, but we can identify some sort of "213 sound". When the trio collaborates it sound special, it has a laid back jazzy feel. Just bump "Yo sassy ways", "Game dont wait" or "Friends". There's a trend, a "sound". And we, the fans, would like that sound (which is natural to the trio) to persist thru the album, as it is the only way for it to sound authentic. Nate, Snoop and Warren singing over too uptempo or mainstream beats would just not fit right in their style.
I think it is much more simple than that. The fans (we) want 213. But they may not give us 213...and that's sad because there wont probable be another chance.
Anyway, I am gon buy the album, I am gon bump it non stop and I am gon like it even if it aint what I've been dreamin of all these years.
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If Warren G doesnt get the tag as Executive producer then 213 can suck my dick, its a joint venture, but give the guy his dues if the group is 213 and Warren is the prodcure for that group then he gets the say on who guests as producers, as Snoop would have the main say on who guests as rappers,
Artists in my mind they can add to the project outside DPG Family
Timba (1 Track)
Neptunes (1 Track)
50 Cent (2 Tracks)
Eminem (1 Track)
Cube (1 Track)
WC (1 Track)
Xzibit (2 Tracks)
Most Def have E-White, Eastsidaz, Dre, Daz, Bad Azz, Lil C Style, Soopafly, Fred Wreck, DJ Jam, Twinz, Mr Grimm, La Toya, RBX, Lady Of Rage!!!
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That's a whole lot of people man!! :D
I'd rather keep it strictly 213.
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Id make it a double album
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Lets all just go ahead and boycott the album, before we even here a lead single. LOL yall are a bunch of little girls.
Hey, I got a question.
WHO GIVES A FUCK? Really, does it matter? Who gives a shit who produces it? If it sounds good, buy it, if not, bootleg the good tracks off MIRC .
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I know they are all good friends, but musically do tey even feel him anymore?
Im sure everyone knows that i am a huge Warren G fan and that i even gave his last album a 5/5 rating. However, i have a feeling that Snoop AND Nate both doubt Warrens hitmaking abilities considering he has not produced a hit song in a LONG time. I personally still LOVe his production as do a lot of people on this message board, but it is hard to say whether he still has what it takes to make an album have huge sales. And lets be honest, this album has to be HUGE and put up HUGE numbers(although i could care less)........i wish it could all be Warren produced, but with the way rap is today, it seems like you HAVE TO HAVE A NEPTUNES beat and gotta have some mc's who dont belong, whether we like it or not.
Another thought: while i am gonna buy and like this album no matter who produces it or is a guest on it, i wonder if the album should even be made. Seriously, it seems as though neither NAte or Snoop think enough of Warren to even get him to produce for their solos; it seems as though warren is the one who has always wanted the album, and is the one who NEEDS this album to gain back is status as a superstar. Snoop is rich and not really hungry, and Nate could make more money singing ooks for everyone in the game. To, that is the problem with this album.........
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Lets all just go ahead and boycott the album, before we even here a lead single. LOL yall are a bunch of little girls.
Hey, I got a question.
WHO GIVES A FUCK? Really, does it matter? Who gives a shit who produces it? If it sounds good, buy it, if not, bootleg the good tracks off MIRC .
Its 213 album. This is not some no name rapper beggin to blow up.
Am I the only one who thinks that 213 will sell MORE if they stay to their roots? I mean, when was the last time Snoop dropped a proper west coast album? Why did Paid the Cost push 175,000 Records first week, yet had a neptunes produced first single. Still a G Thang had Da Game pushin 500 K first week.
By the way Trauma, if you check out every interview Warren has done in the last 2 years, Hes mentioned several times:
-The fans have been bothering him for a 213 album for years
- Hes always been the one pushin for this project
- Snoop is hard headed and doesnt listen to him
- Snoop has been the major influence behind gettin other producers on board
Furthermore just look at the number of records Snoops done with Warren over the last 10 years.
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Tha G Child should just fuck y'all and sign to Tha Row, become like Vice Pres over there and him Kurupt and Crook be running things
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I wouldnt like to see that happen, but I hope they both keep doin tracks together cause their collabos are always off tha chain. Plus Warren said he dont give a fuck about this Death Row stuff, and Young Gotti seems to be showin love to dpg and the family (even tho they hate him now).
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Yo Trauma, used to have mad respect for you, but like alot of others on this board i am SICK of your "i know more than you cuz i have the most posts" attitude. Its pathetic man, so stuff it.
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Dude, I could give a fuck if you respect me or not. I'm not here to win friends, I'm sorry we disagree, but that's just how it is. The whole gist of what I was saying is: We don't know what the deal is between Warren, Snoop, and Nate. Why even speculate? I don't know anymore than you do on the matter, I was just showing that you don't know shit about it. Neither do I. That's the point.
Tech: I haven't read Warren's interviews where he blames Snoop for it, I'll take your word for it. If it's true that Warren wants to work & produce for Snoop, I think Snoop's an idiot for not pursuing it, Warren's beats are up there with Quik's. Of course, Snoop doesn't really work with Quik either. It's just hard for me to believe that NOBODY wants Warren to work with them. It seems to me like an easier answer would be that maybe Warren doesn't want to work with anybody, hell he never produces ANYTHING. So it's either absolutely EVERYBODY doesn't want anything to do with him, or he doesn't wanna work, or something like that. I think the 213 album would be MUCH better if it was produced by Warren, but I still think maybe Warren has something to do with it. If i'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it's strange to me that Warren doesn't produce shit, if the problem isn't him, how come NOBODY has a Warren beat on their album?
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dude's got a point there
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Lets all just go ahead and boycott the album, before we even here a lead single. LOL yall are a bunch of little girls.
Hey, I got a question.
WHO GIVES A FUCK? Really, does it matter? Who gives a shit who produces it? If it sounds good, buy it, if not, bootleg the good tracks off MIRC .
Its 213 album. This is not some no name rapper beggin to blow up.
Am I the only one who thinks that 213 will sell MORE if they stay to their roots? I mean, when was the last time Snoop dropped a proper west coast album? Why did Paid the Cost push 175,000 Records first week, yet had a neptunes produced first single. Still a G Thang had Da Game pushin 500 K first week.
By the way Trauma, if you check out every interview Warren has done in the last 2 years, Hes mentioned several times:
-The fans have been bothering him for a 213 album for years
- Hes always been the one pushin for this project
- Snoop is hard headed and doesnt listen to him
- Snoop has been the major influence behind gettin other producers on board
Furthermore just look at the number of records Snoops done with Warren over the last 10 years.
tech, da game dropped like 5 years ago since then bootleggin has gotten alot worse loads more ppl jus dowload albums these days which didn't happen so much then so it makes it hard to compare units moved
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and havin 4-5 beats on a album these days is MASSIVE......seriously......
No..
He have produced 4-5 tracks OUT OF the 30 tracks they have made yet.
Normally, that would mean that 1-3 of these make the album.
well i heard dat they gon have 4 -5 warren beats on the album???......if his only produced 4 beats out of them 30 then they might not all make the album as usually u get a left over......but like where u hear dis?
peace
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Im gona laugh my ass off when this album drops and theres like 752387583453 topics about how dope this track is, and that track, and so on.........
Just remember the people who are hating right now, and see what they sayin after the album drops...
Until then.......
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Yo, i am by no means hating on the album ,i wouldnt doubt if ALL of the tracks are dope.......still, it doesnt mean i dont wish Warrren could produce it all. And i dont think people are hating when expressing opinions, because we have been waiting for this album for damn near 10 yrs and everyone is hoping for the best. I pray to the hiphop gods it surprises me and is a true westcoast classic peace
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Im gona laugh my ass off when this album drops and theres like 752387583453 topics about how dope this track is, and that track, and so on.........
Just remember the people who are hating right now, and see what they sayin after the album drops...
Until then.......
dawg thats the part u dont understand tho man, even if the niggaz who been hatin on this album all the way till it drops listen it and find it sick as fuck, they will still come up sayin it wack and shit cuz thats the way it is in here regardin wateva 213 does......put it this way, if they dropped a classic record.........the niggaz who were hatin on the album would still hate on the classic
peace
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we have been waiting for this album for damn near 10 yrs and everyone is hoping for the best.
most of the peeps on dubcc are like 16-18-19 so if u go back 10 years ago I dont think they knew about 213 on that time ;)