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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: SGV on October 03, 2003, 08:37:32 AM
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On Eminem for producing that Biggie and Pac song? It's on an album, so why aren't you cats having a heartattack? When Ja does anything that has Pac, and throws it on an album, you people die. When Crooked I wanted to put a Pac song on his album, ya'll shitted yourselves. Everytime 50 or Em did something with Pac verses or beats, it was OK because it was for a mixtape. Now, Em has something on an album.
What's the excuse this time?
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Cuz Mothafuckaz LOOOOOOOOOOVE that little Cracker! LOL!!! ;D
Peace
LazyLatino
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Coz Pac's mom asked him to do it?
or...
Coz its not for promoting his own project, but for helping an official Pac project?
or...
Coz he's not seen as a fake Pac (like Ja).
Never tripped about Crooked doing anything, apart from that Nu Mixxes "2 of americaz most wanted" abortion remix
50 + Em previously only put Pac related stuff out for free on mixtapes, whereas all the others have seemingly used it as a form of cashing in.
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With Ja Rule, it was different. He was all up in the tracks, claiming either he's the next 2pac, or that him & 2Pac would be riding now if he was alive. But about 2 years ago, Ja was a little pussycat. I think it becomes frustrating because you really could see right through Ja Rule, and you know he can't even live up to a quarter of the things he'd claim to do.
50 Cent, although I don't totally agree with him collaborating with 2Pac on every track, I still respect him, to a certain extent. I live in Canada, so I watch MuchMusic. I remember once they interviewed him, and they asked: "do you consider yourself to be no Pac's level?". He replied: "you can't ask me that. those shoes are too big for me to fill." Now I ask you, would Ja say such a thing? I doubt it.
And Eminem, he NEVER claimed to be on Pac's level, or made the claims Ja did. He just produced a remix for him. If that's offensive, then Darren Vegas, DJ Green Lantern, DJ Vlad, etc. should be on the black list.
I think it's a question of modesty... if you're producing/rapping on a track with 2Pac, don't go on a power trip. Em & 50 are honored to have done those tracks, but they don't claim to be the next 2Pac, do they? And Ja, well...
"Who you got in your ear? I don't even gotta say it, the fans know,
Quit tryin to be tough, n***a, you look like a asshole"
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And Eminem, he NEVER claimed to be on Pac's level, or made the claims Ja did. He just produced a remix for him. If that's offensive, then Darren Vegas, DJ Green Lantern, DJ Vlad, etc. should be on the black list.
So, calling yourself the White Pac is not claiming to be on Pac's level? OK.
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On Eminem for producing that Biggie and Pac song? It's on an album, so why aren't you cats having a heartattack? When Ja does anything that has Pac, and throws it on an album, you people die. When Crooked I wanted to put a Pac song on his album, ya'll shitted yourselves. Everytime 50 or Em did something with Pac verses or beats, it was OK because it was for a mixtape. Now, Em has something on an album.
I agree 100% wit' SGV.
With certain "People" Re-makes & Re-twist's, are like a double standard...kinda like fuckin'.
if it's their fav's it's for the love
it's it's their "Non-fav's" then it's DICKRIDDIN"...
(Or whatever the fuck they peep's call it)^^
Men R Playa's Girls R Hoes...
For doing 2 much.
in this case 2Pac..."Get it 2-PAC"
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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And Eminem, he NEVER claimed to be on Pac's level, or made the claims Ja did. He just produced a remix for him. If that's offensive, then Darren Vegas, DJ Green Lantern, DJ Vlad, etc. should be on the black list.
So, calling yourself the White Pac is not claiming to be on Pac's level? OK.
Where he ever say that?
An eminems WAY bigger than 2Pac ever was.
(note I didnt say BETTER I said BIGGER)
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There u go Seer...."The infamous White-Pac line"
Artist:Eminem f/ Dr. Dre
Album:The Eminem Show
Song:Say What You Say
[Eminem]
And I'ma only sucka punch and swing without warning
And swing to knock somebody's fuckin head off
Cause I know if they get up I won't get a chance to let off
Another punch I'm punk rock, no one's punk
Don't give a FUCK! White 'Pac, so much spunk
When I was little I knew I would blow up and sell a mill'
and grow up, to be Atilla, go nuts and be a pillar
Hatesrats 2oooTre
*p.s. I got this From Ohhla..so if it's misspelled or incorrect in anyway tell that vato who typed it. {Copy & paste}
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An eminems WAY bigger than 2Pac ever was.
(note I didnt say BETTER I said BIGGER)
I agree. I don't mind anyone getting down for Pac tracks, as long as their not trying to be him or imitating him (Ja Rule).
Look at Ja, Irv wants to create Murder Inc (which Irv thinks it the new Death Row), the red and black symbol, Ja wearing his bandana like Pac in every video, now Suges in Ja and Irv's ear......Its pathetic IMO.
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Where he ever say that?
An eminems WAY bigger than 2Pac ever was.
(note I didnt say BETTER I said BIGGER)
So, becuase he's BIGGER than Pac, he's allowed to call himself, White Pac. OOOOOH OK! Eminem is allowed to do everything.
Fuck that. If it's wrong for Ja do use Pac in a song, it's wrong for 50, it's wrong for Em. None of them knew Pac. If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for all. You all said that if it was for a Mixtape it's coo, but for an album, it's not. This is for an album. But, Em doesn't want to be Pac, he just calls himself the White Pac, and say he has a little bit of Tupac in him. RIIIIIIIGHT.
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The big difference is that here they use (1) new (never heard) Pac material and (2) this is a fucking dope track.
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^ the different is that Ja/ Crooked are doing it for the OWN projects, Eminem has only done it on ~free~ mixtapes, and this guest tracks isnt for his own project but for afeni.
and the other difference is.. eminem didnt say he *was* better than pac, only a white alternative?
the way I see it, if eminem's popularity now helps promote 2pacs resurrection movie and opens up his fanbase to 2pac, then i'm all for it. especially since eminem isnt doing this for self promotion, but as a homage to a man he's called his idol and influence.
Ja Rule calling himself the NEW Pac is bad...
Eminem calling himself the White Pac isnt so bad... its not like saying your on the same level.. you see?
Its like someone saying they're the white michael jordan, they still aint the best..
but they're the best of white.. white men can jump, and jimi had a white rhythm section :P
:-*
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The big difference is that here they use (1) new (never heard) Pac material and (2) this is a fucking dope track.
By the way what Track is being re-mixxed?
The only studio Pac & Biggie Track's I've heard were at 3 that I know of....
"Runnin"
"Let's get it on"
"House of pain" <---all but this tack I belive have been offically released before.
WHich one is it..?
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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^ the different is that Ja/ Crooked are doing it for the OWN projects, Eminem has only done it on ~free~ mixtapes, and this guest tracks isnt for his own project but for afeni.
and the other difference is.. eminem didnt say he *was* better than pac, only a white alternative?
the way I see it, if eminem's popularity now helps promote 2pacs resurrection movie and opens up his fanbase to 2pac, then i'm all for it. especially since eminem isnt doing this for self promotion, but as a homage to a man he's called his idol and influence.
Ja Rule calling himself the NEW Pac is bad...
Eminem calling himself the White Pac isnt so bad... its not like saying your on the same level.. you see?
Its like someone saying they're the white michael jordan, they still aint the best..
but they're the best of white.. white men can jump, and jimi had a white rhythm section :P
:-*
I've said it before, Ja can't call himself the Black Pac, because Pac was Black. So, he says he's the new Pac, pretty much. All Em is doing is claiming to be the new Pac also. Only difference is everyone HATES Ja and everyone LOVES Em. Which is fucked up. Like Hatesrats pointed out. There's always a reason for something Em does that makes it coo. Fuck that. If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for everyone, as far as I'm concerned.
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The big difference is that here they use (1) new (never heard) Pac material and (2) this is a fucking dope track.
By the way what Track is being re-mixxed?
The only studio Pac & Biggie Track's I've heard were at 3 that I know of....
"Runnin"
"Let's get it on"
"House of pain" <---all but this tack I belive have been offically released before.
WHich one is it..?
Hatesrats 2oooTre
With this version of Runnin' they use other 2Pac verses ;)
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By the way no matter what is said in this thread.
Eminem is/an can never be as big as 2Pac. IMo
When one quotes and Constanly uses his {2Pac} name as much as Em does..
it would be impossible to reach that high for him.
Em's in a sort of box...where he has a fan base who follow him.
2Pac's influence is worldwide where they love him in countries who don't even speak the language.{he's Icon status}
And Among his Fans/ifluenced is the assumed BIGGER.
if by big, people mean he get's spun by radio & MTV cause of the door's people before Pac & then Shakur helped knock down then YES.
People need to remember hip-hop was not the every video on Mtv & even VH1 showin them music it is 2day.
it was but a seed of what comercial sucess it is blossmed into today.
{Pac get's spin's on radio...but that's after the fact 96'
don't count in the eyes on his trues}
If you mean he's more beloved & adored by his fan's...
I'll have to say prob not.
Hatesrats 2oooTre {Then again homie's....who cares}
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By the way where did Ja say he was the new Pac?
was it on a song? {Which one}
was it that one {Hot 97} interview
peep's always tend to misquote where he talk's bout/to {DmX}
"Ya'll want Pac to come back?"...
ImO..Ja was talkin' bout the passion & heat Pac had in 96'...^^
kinda like askin' if people wanted to see that side of his style.
to get at his enimes with that type of emotin.
{That's what I got out of that interview}
If i'm wrong or there is another source that I have missed...
help point out the song or interview homies...
let me know!!
Holla
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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^ the different is that Ja/ Crooked are doing it for the OWN projects, Eminem has only done it on ~free~ mixtapes, and this guest tracks isnt for his own project but for afeni.
and the other difference is.. eminem didnt say he *was* better than pac, only a white alternative?
the way I see it, if eminem's popularity now helps promote 2pacs resurrection movie and opens up his fanbase to 2pac, then i'm all for it. especially since eminem isnt doing this for self promotion, but as a homage to a man he's called his idol and influence.
Ja Rule calling himself the NEW Pac is bad...
Eminem calling himself the White Pac isnt so bad... its not like saying your on the same level.. you see?
Its like someone saying they're the white michael jordan, they still aint the best..
but they're the best of white.. white men can jump, and jimi had a white rhythm section :P
:-*
I've said it before, Ja can't call himself the Black Pac, because Pac was Black. So, he says he's the new Pac, pretty much. All Em is doing is claiming to be the new Pac also. Only difference is everyone HATES Ja and everyone LOVES Em. Which is fucked up. Like Hatesrats pointed out. There's always a reason for something Em does that makes it coo. Fuck that. If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for everyone, as far as I'm concerned.
Eminem is NOT claiming to be the new 2pac, he is claiming to the be the white equivalent, there is a massive difference.
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and as for all the other stuff you cant compare 2pac and eminems popularity. eminem is far far bigger than 2pac ever was at the height of his fame.
after eminems gone how big his influence will be is an hypothetical argument. the only comparison could be with umm elvis? elvis is bigger than 2pac. eminem is the new elvis the source said that right? ;)
i'm trying to see what the crux of your argument other than blind eminem bashing is.
my main point is that eminem is not explioting pac for sales of his own project, but was actually approached by 2pacs estate to contribute to the project.
he hasnt been remaking 2pac songs on his albums.
he hasnt been putting 2pac verses on his albums.
he hasnt been putting 2pac remixs on his own albums.
he hasnt been 'biting' 2pac... either in image or style.
he has only used 2pac verses on underground (e.g. quitter) and mixtape related stuff... all either low volume, or free mixtape material. i.e. non commercial, non profite, and in the latest instances to throw disses at ja rule.
ja rule has used 2pac verses and remakes on his own albums and blatantly copied his image... all for his own profit.
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mannnn, I gotta keep it real...I agree wit Overseer 151%
There's a major difference between everything yall stating which I dun wanna get into...
Major Props 2 Eminem 4 makin that shit too...When I heard it tha 1st time it brought tears 2 my eyes...real talk...
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mannnn, I gotta keep it real...I agree wit Overseer 151%
There's a major difference between everything yall stating which I dun wanna get into...
Major Props 2 Eminem 4 makin that shit too...When I heard it tha 1st time it brought tears 2 my eyes...real talk...
yea the song is hot
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cause he's white
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I dont really like Em. But it's obvious that he is bigger than 2pac has ever been. Forget that "worldwide" thing some talkin bout. Em is worldwide, Pac was not. I live in Spain and nobody in here knows Pac (only them hiphop heads) but everybody knows Em. I once was downloading some music in the university and a fella came to me and said "whatcha downloadin?" I said "2pac" and he said "oh yeah, THEY are tight". NIGGA DIDNT KNOW THE FUCK HE WAS TALKIN ABOUT!
And dont get me wrong, I love Pac's music, I dont like Em much, but that's how it is.
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Hatesrats brought up a good point, Ja has never claimed to be the new Pac. Can someone bring a quote in where Ja claims to be Pac? Nope. So, if it's cool for Em to say he's the White Pac, would it be cool if Ja said he was the the NY/Queens Pac? Would it cool for Ja to make a song on a Pac album like it is Eminem?
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nah he cant say that, but he could say he's the rat faced pac ;D
yeah if he made a track for a pac album then it might be better.. like Nas for example...
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"Ya'll wanna see Pac come back its here nigga its here" Thats what he said on the Hot 97 interview actually his interview was funny guess DMX got him really pissed off
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Though the Outlawz and Suge said that 'Pac made up with Nas, but when Suge got mad at Nas, he took it back.. lol. Neither Ja nor Em was ever cool with 'Pac. Though there is a difference putting out shit on mixtapes and shit, and releasing it in your album. I hated the Pain Ja did, mainly 'cause I wanted to do it first... lmao... but for reals, either way, I think the remix Em did is good for 'Pac and Eminem, as newer fans get to hear 'Pac because of Eminem prodeuction. Oh, and there is no way Eminem is bigger than 'Pac 'Seer, sorry, but 'Pac in the early 90's just killed any amount of fame I've ever seen. Every woman I knew loved 'Pac, he was selling records like nothing, and is the all time biggest selling rapper. Also, if Eminem dies, I doubt he would have as many fans as 'Pac did, looking up stupit facts about music videos, and looking at all these numbers, trying to keep this man alive. Skin color is still not bigger than 'Pac. His by far the black Elvis. Even the eastcoast bias Source can't denie, his the biggest icon in Hip-Hop history.
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I didnt like the idea of Em doing this track, but i cant front, he laced it and it is even better than the original. And it is a little different producing a beat than taking a song (or about 4) and pretending they are yours (Pain ft. Pac was pathetic). Besides. JA HAS claimed to be the new pac, like on that interview and shit. Its so obvious, he is the one riding pacs nuts harder than anyone in the game.
If Eminem ever redoes a Pac song and puts it on his album and it features tupac, then i will be te first to say fuck eminem.
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Bump'd Pac before...
Bump'd Pac after 96'
and will Bump his music until the day I die.
I don't give a fuck who produces what.
I'll buy an 2Pac acapella lp if they released it.
I own all EM's records & consider myself a listener
*(although his replay value may only last a week ImO...personal: Me not You)
EM's production is defo a great addition to his talent..
but I would not buy or love/hate a track cause he was behind the boards, just because it's....
I'm going to scoop this Soundtrack when it hits..
and bump it regardless.
if Em put's it on his album or Mixtape or however it get's out...it still get's out.
it's still free/paid promotion right there, like it or not.
it's out there & people know who did it.
Is Em getting paid for this track?
SGV's question was...
"Why is nobody tripping?"
If it's D.Vegas {Trippin}
Cold 187um {Trippin}
Daz Dillinger "Makaveli & Dillinger" {Trippin}
If it's Afeni Shakur hiring producer's to rework Pac's music {Trippin} (oh wait!! not this time) ect...
It's about bout' Pac
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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Agree 100% with SGV & Hatesrats, especially this one:
If it's Afeni Shakur hiring producer's to rework Pac's music {Trippin} (oh wait!! not this time)
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Agree 100% with SGV & Hatesrats, especially this one:
If it's Afeni Shakur hiring producer's to rework Pac's music {Trippin} (oh wait!! not this time)
Great point.
Also, you people know money is made from Mixtapes, right? The DJs are banking in on them, and the artist does, too. Now, Eminem and 50 may not have got money for doing the Hail Mary song, but you know how much promotion that got them? Lots. Promotion is money, whether you know it or not. Promotion is getting your name out there. They're getting their name out there by redoing that Pac song. Em is getting his name out even more by producing the track. So, yes, he is making money off this. And, everyone says he produces free, I doubt that. He made money for making the beat, I'm sure. Once again, it all boils down to who you people like. Look at everyone who dissaproves of Ja, they don't like him. Everyone who approves of Em, is a fan of his. I'm a fan of neither of the scumbags. I just think it's unfair for Eminem to get so many passes, and everyone else doesn't.
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I think it's all in the image more so than what is said. From JZ to Nas to Bay Area rappers, almost every rapper has in some way mentioned Tupac and some (not as well know) have used his lines. Anyone who can't see Ja's blatant act to capitalize on Pac's image is either blind as hell or is in denial or something. When I generally see Eminem, I don't see Tupac and that's not because he is white. It's because he is his own man and has his own style.....50 on the other hand maybe needs to tone it down a little.
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Ja remakes Pac traccs cuz he thinks he is Pac. Em ddid it once to make fun of Ja. What's wrong with Em producing a tracc for a PAC album? He's helping Pac's music live on, and IMO he did a damn good job on the beat too. And I don't know wha'chu talkin' about with Crooked I.
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First of all, Afeni hires a lot better producers and does a much better job wit remixing pacs work.
Second, i dont have a problem with eminem doing what he did cuz he didnt do it for his own profit, i truly believe that Eminem has a great amount of respect for tupacs work and is honoured to do this for afeni. Remember, Em does not even charge for tracks, he gives them away so props to him... peace
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I think Em made "Hail Mary" in an attempt to do something Pac related. He also did "Hit Em Up" over again, how do you explain that? Was it to make Everlast seem like a Pac dickrider? Nope.
Teecee, do you know for sure Ja doesn't respect Pac's music? No. Em is a fan like Ja, only difference is Em is more talented. That's why everyone gives him the pass.
Remember, Em just says he doesn't get paid, WE do not know for sure if he does or not. But, he's getting free promo and publicity for doing this. That's money right there.
Everyone saying Ja is trying to portray the Pac image: I bet half of you dissed Yukmouth for pointing that out. So kill that noise. Let's not forget Ja wears a bandana, but so does Em. Ja takes off his shirt to show his tats, so does Em. Ja has a fuck the world mentality, so does Em. What is the difference here? None. Ja is more obvious about it, true, but it's still the same.
Let's stop the double standards people.
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lol...a bandana? dat aint no issue...damm near everyone I kno sports bandanas from time 2 time...
Comparing what JA did wit tha whole PAC thing to what EM is doing is ridiculous...
I don't see how anyone can come here defending JA...Eminem makes a dope ass mix, presents it to Pac's mom who is in charge and she decides 2 use it...nothing wrong with that...I bet U anything he prolly didn't get payed 4 it...so what if Em is gonna get promotion from this?? all tha power 2 him...He did a good job...
Eminem makes a song on da Hail Mary beat for a mixtape dissin JA...so what? look @ all tha mixtapes comin out...they all have pac beats...our mixtapes have pac beats...we wear bandanas...we mention pac in our songs...we look up to him & grew up on him just like someone like Eminem...just cuzz we aint famous like him, it justifies everything??
But wat tha fuck did JA do?? he comes out talkin bout he is da new pac, he mentions if pac waz alive he would roll wit him...this is all after people waz belittling him sayin he is a sell-out POP artist and shit, he waz cryin out 2 get accepted...mann, cmon, tha comparison yall are makin is beyond stupid...
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I basically agree with what both Teecee and Rodzilla said...
Ja said straight up that Pac would ride with him. Now how the fucc does he know that? That right there in my book is enough to put Ja to shame. Em never said any such thing like that. He only remade "Hail Mary" to diss Ja. If no one got that, look again. It's clever as fucc. And about the "Hit Em Up" thing? First off, it wasn't even Pac's original beat. Second, tons of people have used that beat. I don't think there's any disrespect in using a beat. All in all, IMO Em is a TRUE fan of Pac's, and realizes how great he is. And IMO Ja probably thinks he's better than Pac in his own mind.
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lol...a bandana? dat aint no issue...damm near everyone I kno sports bandanas from time 2 time...
Comparing what JA did wit tha whole PAC thing to what EM is doing is ridiculous...
I don't see how anyone can come here defending JA...Eminem makes a dope ass mix, presents it to Pac's mom who is in charge and she decides 2 use it...nothing wrong with that...I bet U anything he prolly didn't get payed 4 it...so what if Em is gonna get promotion from this?? all tha power 2 him...He did a good job...
Eminem makes a song on da Hail Mary beat for a mixtape dissin JA...so what? look @ all tha mixtapes comin out...they all have pac beats...our mixtapes have pac beats...we wear bandanas...we mention pac in our songs...we look up to him & grew up on him just like someone like Eminem...just cuzz we aint famous like him, it justifies everything??
But wat tha fuck did JA do?? he comes out talkin bout he is da new pac, he mentions if pac waz alive he would roll wit him...this is all after people waz belittling him sayin he is a sell-out POP artist and shit, he waz cryin out 2 get accepted...mann, cmon, tha comparison yall are makin is beyond stupid...
Ja wearing his bandana like Pac in every video
A bandana ain't an issue? Tell that to this cat.
I could careless who uses who's beats for anything, but I do think it's fucked up that it's OK for Em to use Pac beats, shout out Pac and claim to be White Pac, but when Ja says he and Pac would ride together, and uses Pac beats, it's wrong. Fuck the bullshit, Em is doing what Ja is doing, only more subtle. Ja never claimed to be Pac, until he had enough of it. Hell, he never used the words, "I am the new Pac." I never heard them. He did say, "you want to see Pac, he's here." You tell someone something enough, it'll piss them off. People would always ask Haystak how he felt about Bubba Sparxxx, he had no answer, but after a while he just said, "fuck Bubba Sparxxx." Why? Becuase he was annoyed with it. That's how Ja felt, I'm almost sure. And, actually, he still didn't claim to be Pac, he just Pac's here. That's not saying anything in particular. YOU people read into it. Claiming to be White Pac is more like claiming to be Pac, IMO.
@Sicc: You know damn well Em and D-12 didn't remake Rakim and Eric B's "Paid In Full," save me that bullshit. They remade "Hit Em Up."
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if Em was usin a Pac or Biggie verse for his album, then i'd be trippin -- but he's not, so im not
i agree with Overseer & Rod on this .. i'll listen to dope music no matter who makes it, unlike some others
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i really dont see whats the big deal that Em produced for Pac and that Ja had Pac on his album if Pacs mom doesn't mind why should i
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I've already said this song didn't make any sense, I don't see what's so special about it. As a matter of fact, I haven't even heard it and have no desire to. However, when Ja Rule is going around saying "You want to see Pac come back???!!!! You want me to bring Pac Back!!!???" when he's fighting with people on the fucking telephone @ radio stations... I think you can see the difference between him and Em.
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i really dont see whats the big deal that Em produced for Pac and that Ja had Pac on his album if Pacs mom doesn't mind why should i
Thank you! The post I was looking for. I don't got a problem who does what with any beat, if it's tight, it's tight. But, these cats have a hissy fit when someone they don't like uses Pac beats/verses.
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I feel what you were saying about double standards in hip-hop. If was actually thinking about how bad they are at work tonight
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Comparing what JA did wit tha whole PAC thing to what EM is doing is ridiculous...
I don't see how anyone can come here defending JA...Eminem makes a dope ass mix, presents it to Pac's mom who is in charge and she decides 2 use it...nothing wrong with that...
Word.
Nobody else than Eminem would get hate for making a dope ass track with 2 of the biggest (and maybe best) hiphop artists of all time.
ThaRow & Afeni better have their notepads ready..
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So, all you are saying Afini has approved of Em's work. Who's to say she hasn't approved of Ja's? None you, that's for sure.
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i really dont see whats the big deal that Em produced for Pac and that Ja had Pac on his album if Pacs mom doesn't mind why should i
. But, these cats have a hissy fit when someone they don't like uses Pac beats/verses.
That ain't it at all. Em made a dope beat for a dope tracc. Period. Em respects Pac, and wanted to help his name last in a good way. And IMO he succeeded. Period. Ja on the other hand WANTS TO BE PAC. He claims Pac would ride with him, Em never said anyhting like that. Ja said he's the next Pac, Em never said anything like that. Ja even said he could bring Pac bacc or some dumb shit like that. Eminem knows damn well better than to do anything even remotely close to that. That's the difference, and that's why we accept Em doin' a beat for Pac, but don't accept anything Ja does that involves Pac. You see our point now?
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That ain't it at all. Em made a dope beat for a dope tracc. Period. Em respects Pac, and wanted to help his name last in a good way. And IMO he succeeded. Period. Ja on the other hand WANTS TO BE PAC. He claims Pac would ride with him, Em never said anyhting like that. Ja said he's the next Pac, Em never said anything like that. Ja even said he could bring Pac bacc or some dumb shit like that. Eminem knows damn well better than to do anything even remotely close to that. That's the difference, and that's why we accept Em doin' a beat for Pac, but don't accept anything Ja does that involves Pac. You see our point now?
Your point doin't make sense.
Em wants to be Pac as much as Ja. Remember, White Pac. Not White Biggie. Not White Eazy. White Pac. That means he wants to be Pac. Ja thinks him and Pac would be coo, is that too far fetched to think? No. Why is that so bad to say? "Oh my God! Ja said him and Pac would ride together," LMAO. C'mon. He's letting people know that he likes Pac, and that he would've tried to be homies with him. Ya'll read way too much into that. Ja never said he'd bring Pac back, never. He said if you want to see Pac, fuck it, he's here. All he was saying was, you want Ja to be such a Pac biter, then here you go, Pac is here now. He's not saying he is Pac, but he was just letting you people hear what you wanted to hear.
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Why trip when there's nothing to trip on?
The song is good, period.
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Em also called himself the new Ice Cube he doesn't bite Pac his music is nothing like Pac and he doesn't try to act like Pac
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"It's like these kids hang on every single statement we make"
^^^ 8)
I don't really care if Ja or Em do a remake/remix/produce a pac song, if pac(his mom) is getting paid for it...s'all good. but using pac songs to promote yourself is fuked up.
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Just having fun with some of Eminem's 2Pac references.....
check EM'.
{didn't realise there was so-many....and more)
{Blame OHHLA for Typo's}
Artist:Eminem
Album: The Slim Shady LP
Song: Just Don't Give A Fuck
"So when you see me on your block with two glocks
Screamin _Fuck the World_ like Tupac
I just don't give a fuuuuuck!!"
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Artist:Eminem
Album: The Marshall Mathers LP
Song: Marshall Mathers
(grrrr, ARF ARF) "Or leanin out a window, with a cocked shotgun
Drivin up the block in the car that they shot 'Pac in
Lookin for Big's killers, dressed in ridiculous
blue and red like I don't see what the big deal is
Double barrel twelve gauge bigger than Chris Wallace
Pissed off, cause Biggie and 'Pac just missed all this
Watchin all these cheap imitations get rich off 'em"
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Artist:Eminem
Album: The Eminem Show
Song: Soldier
"Yo.. never was a thug, just infatuated with guns
Never was a gangsta, 'til I graduated to one
and got the rep of a villain, for weapon concealin
Took the image of a thug, kept shit appealin"
lol......^^^
this one is funny if you read into it, like peep's do on Ja.
"I'm like a thug, with a little bit of 'Pac influence
I spew it, and look how I got you bitches rockin to it
You motherfuckers could NEVER do it like I could do it
Don't even try it, you'll look stupid, do not pursue it
Don't ever in your life try to knock the truest
I spit the illest shit EVER been dropped to two inch"
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Artist:Eminem
Album: The Eminem Show
Song: Say What You Say
"And I'ma only sucka punch and swing without warning
And swing to knock somebody's fuckin head off
Cause I know if they get up I won't get a chance to let off
Another punch I'm punk rock, no one's punk
Don't give a FUCK! White 'Pac, so much spunk
When I was little I knew I would blow up and sell a mill'
and grow up, to be Atilla, go nuts and be a pillar"
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Artist:Eminem f/ Nate Dogg
Album: The Eminem Show
Song: 'Till I Collapse
"The criminal cop killin hip-hop villain
A minimal swap to cop millions of 'Pac listeners
You're comin with me, feel it or not you're gonna fear it
like I showed ya the spirit of God lives in us"
"It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie
Andre from OutKast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me
But in this industry I'm the cause of a LOT of envy
So when I'm not put on this list, the shit does NOT offend me"
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Artist:Eminem f/ G-Unit
Album: White Label 12"
Song: Bump Heads
"Got undercover cops, that'll legally pop you
And I den seen a lotta people, cross the line
But this motherfucker Ja, must have lost his mind
That ex, got him thinking he was DMX
Then he switched to Pac, now he's tryna be him next
So which one are you, ex, Luther, Pac or Michael"
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Artist: 50 Cent f/ Busta Rhymes, Eminem
Album:White label
Song: Hail Mary
[Verse 1: Eminem]
You ain't no killa, you a pussy
That ecstasy done got you all emotional and mushy
Bitch is wearin' rags in photos, Ja's words bein' quoted
In The Source stealin' Pac's shit like he just wrote it
You loudmouths, pray to God hopin' no one's listenin'
See 50 comin' for me I'ma guard my, my position
No one'll pay attention to me, please Gotti
Here I go, give me this pill
Ecstasy done got me feelin' so... invincible
Now all a sudden I'm a fuckin' mad man who screams like I'm Pac
But I'm not, enemies, Hennessy
Actin' like I'm great, but I'm fake, I'm crazy
Sweat drip get me off this trip, someone stop this train
Some say my brain is all corrupted, fucked from this shit
I'm stuck, I'm addicted to these drugs, I'ma quit
sayin' motherfuckas names before somebody fucks me up
Ain't no pussies over here partner, see you in hell, fucka
[Chorus: Eminem]
Come get me
Motherfucka, if you want Shady
If Pac was still here now
He would never ride with Ja
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na
Get off that E
'Fore you try to come and fuck with me
It's Aftermath here now, Shady Records got it locked
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
LOL...."Stealin' Pac's shit like he just wrote it"
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Artist:Eminem f/ D-12
Album: Quitter (White Label) 12" *
Song: Quitter
{*music stops*}
Aiyyo Head, that's why I fucked your mother you fat motherfucker!
{beat changes to 2Pac's "Hit 'Em Up"}
Kill Whitey! - Hahaha
Kill Whitey! - Detroit! What? What?
Kill Whitey! - .. yo, yo
Kill Whitey! - Haha! Look
First off, fuck your songs and the shit you say
Diss my wife, but at least I got a bitch, you gay
You claim to be a Muslim but you Irish White
So fuck you fat boy, drop the mic, let's fight
Plus I punch you in the chest, weak hearts I rip
Whitey Ford, forty and white, lethargic ass dickhead
I keep 'em comin while you runnin out of breath
Steady duckin while I'm punchin at your chest, you need to rest
Dilated, go ask your people how I leave ya
with your three CD's, nobody sees, when they released
Evidence, don't fuck around with real MC's
who ain't ready for no underground beef, so fuck geeks
I let you faggots know it's on for life
but Everlast might die tonight, haha
Fat boy murdered on wax and killed
Fuck with me and take a heart pill, you know!
[Chorus: Eminem]
Grab 380's when you see Slim Shady
Call the doctor to heal your heart
They shocked you back to life at the clinic
but you 'bout to get relapsed any minute
Honkey, I hit 'em up!
Kinda 2pac ish....^^
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Artist:50 Cent f/ Eminem
Album: Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Song: Patiently Waiting
"Take some B.I.G. and some Pac and you mix em' up in a pot
Sprinkle a little Big L on top, what the fuck do you got?"
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*Bump's "Dead Worng" (The Notorious B.I.G. feat Eminem)
I wonder if Em got paid for that one?
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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^ now the same for ja rule please ;)
woo i got a new answer to this "because snoop, jay-z and suge said so"
really?! see this >> http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=42540
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Coz Pac's mom asked him to do it?
or...
Coz its not for promoting his own project, but for helping an official Pac project?
or...
Coz he's not seen as a fake Pac (like Ja).
Never tripped about Crooked doing anything, apart from that Nu Mixxes "2 of americaz most wanted" abortion remix
50 + Em previously only put Pac related stuff out for free on mixtapes, whereas all the others have seemingly used it as a form of cashing in.
I agree with that
Also I dont mind when someone who worked with Pac or helped Pac out before Pac could return the favour puts out something unreleased they did or that they did & remixed it later, like Daz & Makaveli, but when its someone like Ja who is biting the whole image (bandana clothes bald head goatee going on radio saying he is Pac) & also putting his vocals & str8 beat rip offs on his albums to increase sales ("So Much Pain" for example) is what i'm against
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(bandana clothes bald head goatee going on radio saying he is Pac) & also putting his vocals & str8 beat rip offs on his albums to increase sales ("So Much Pain" for example) is what i'm against
Em got the bandana and claims to be White Pac on record. What's the diff? See, I don't get it, you cats are just contradicting. Not to mention, since when has it been wrong to want to remake a song? Everything is done to increase sales, even your buddy Eminem does things like that. Why do you think he's doing those mixtapes? Doing that song for the Pac/Big soundtrack? To increase sales. I don't see a difference. It all comes down to prefence with you foos. If you like the artist, you'll approve, if you don't then you're gonna knock it. Me, I can't stand none of them, Pac included. I don't care what any artist does, within reason, as long as they make a tight song.
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lets leave em and ja rule out of it for ths one...
ok.. so why did no one trip when Nas did it, but did when Jay-z did?
Nas, appeared on Better Days guesting on Thugs Mansion, also later put the song/or a version of cant remember which own his own album...
Jay-Z, shamefully ripped off "me & my girlfriend" with Bonnie & Clyde and stuck his girlfriend beyonce on there.. didnt even put a single 'nod' to pac in there.. the song was all over everywhere and he had everyone thinkin that was HIS shit..
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lets leave em and ja rule out of it for ths one...
ok.. so why did no one trip when Nas did it, but did when Jay-z did?
Nas, appeared on Better Days guesting on Thugs Mansion, also later put the song/or a version of cant remember which own his own album...
Jay-Z, shamefully ripped off "me & my girlfriend" with Bonnie & Clyde and stuck his girlfriend beyonce on there.. didnt even put a single 'nod' to pac in there.. the song was all over everywhere and he had everyone thinkin that was HIS shit..
I don't see any difference here. According to you people, if you put Pac on your album, then you're wrong. So, they both should be knocked for it. I don't think Jay-Z "shamefully ripped off" anything. It's a remake, so what?! Everyone does remakes. Snoop did plenty of them, so I guess he shamefully ripped off Slick Rick, right? C'mon. You people are way to protective of Tupac. Jay didn't put a nod to Pac in the song, because it wouldn't fit. But, at least the video had a Pac reference. Nas on the other hand, he just laid a verse to a song. He threw it on his album. That's all, no big deal.
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lets leave em and ja rule out of it for ths one...
ok.. so why did no one trip when Nas did it, but did when Jay-z did?
Nas, appeared on Better Days guesting on Thugs Mansion, also later put the song/or a version of cant remember which own his own album...
Jay-Z, shamefully ripped off "me & my girlfriend" with Bonnie & Clyde and stuck his girlfriend beyonce on there.. didnt even put a single 'nod' to pac in there.. the song was all over everywhere and he had everyone thinkin that was HIS shit..
i think the main difference is respectful use, which ultimately is a subjective thing
I don't see any difference here. According to you people, if you put Pac on your album, then you're wrong. So, they both should be knocked for it. I don't think Jay-Z "shamefully ripped off" anything. It's a remake, so what?! Everyone does remakes. Snoop did plenty of them, so I guess he shamefully ripped off Slick Rick, right? C'mon. You people are way to protective of Tupac. Jay didn't put a nod to Pac in the song, because it wouldn't fit. But, at least the video had a Pac reference. Nas on the other hand, he just laid a verse to a song. He threw it on his album. That's all, no big deal.
theres a huge difference... pissed me off when i heard people saying "i like that new jay-z song". and i'm like "its am old 2pac song..." they're like.. wow i never knew.. that pisses me off.. plus the fact it as a sinlge in the first place (just like ja rule did with pain)
with the nas thing its obvious its a pac verse.. and nas didnt put it on his album until after it was on the amaru project, and he didnt have it as a single.
and u picked a bad example with snoop/slick rick
Yeah, gotta say what's up to my nigga Slick Rick
For those who don't like it, eat a dick
But for those who with me, sing that shit
As it go a little something like this
props right at the head of the song... but yeah he never did with 'vapors' and many others
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SGV you have made yourself sound childish with this. Silly remarks about Ja Rule blah blah blah.
The fact of the matter is Eminem is a HUGE 2Pac fan. He "probably" still produces for free but like he said before he will give you a beat if he respects you as an MC e.g. Nas, Jay Z, Redman etc. Yes it's free promotion for him but that's beside the point. It's a decent track unlike those "re-made" by Jay Z, Ja Rule etc.
Eminem is a fan and never denied that. I think people read far too much into little things (like the "white pac" line).
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Geez this is toooooo pathetic, you guys should listen to yourselves, Em did this, Ja does this 50 does this, blah blah blah
Now I aint dissing, but this is getting old, let these artists do there thing, if their ripping off a dead guy for their own benefit or using his material to pay homage to him let them do it, cos at the end of the day we cant say or do anything that'll make them stop or affect record sales.
There is some saying that by copying or trying to be like someone that that person should feel complimented.
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@ SGV: Man, you make a grip of assumptions, and also do a lot of grouping and sterotyping by sayin' shit like "you cats", and "you foos". Not everyone thinks the same around here ya know?
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I think people read far too much into little things (like the "white pac" line).
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Eminem is a fan and never denied that. I think people read far too much into little things (like the "white pac" line).
Same thing with Ja, if that's the case.
Seer: If you're redoing a song, you don't have to give a shout to the person who made it prior to you. I don't think it's a must. Becuase, in the end, the original artist is making money off it, that's enough props if you ask me.
The purpose of this whole thread was to point out the hypocritical ways of Eminem fans. Every Ja has done, Em has done. But, there is always a reason why Em is OK and Ja is not. It's a shame people have came to think that way, but what can you do.
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no its not about that at all. you have your eyes blinkered to everyone elses opinion because you hate eminem so much.
the problem people have its with people like ja rule / jay-z / master p / no limited etc taking pac things and capitalising off of it
by 1) copying the image
by 2) covering his songs and using them as a -major- part of their projects
if eminem took a pac song and named his album after it (i.e. like ja rule did) or made a major single for his album off of it (like ja rule + jay-z did) then we'd have issue with that too!
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If Eminem took a Pac song and named his album after it (i.e. like Ja Rule did) or made a major single for his album off of it (like Ja Rule & Jay-Z) then we'd have issue with that too!
What album/major single did Ja Rule release with the exact same
title as one of 2Pac's song's homie....
I got all the Rule album's and don't have one by any name of a 2pac song.
Did Rule make a video of "So much pain"?
I'm not up to par with Mtv or 106 & Park...too much.
I don't remember it even being a single was it?
(Maybe a B/side?)
Maybe u mean the "The pledge (remix)" with Ashanti & Nas..."Feat" Pac. (Feat...lol)
^^That one kinda pissed me off a bit...^^
for different reasons...
These are the Rule lp's by name..
"Venni Vetti Vecci"
"Rule 3:36"
"Pain Is Love"
"The Last Temptation"
and add..
"Irv Gotti presents...The MURDERERS"
No Pac title homie...
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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P.S.
I'm waiting for that new Ja...
it should be off the chain.
I'm waiting for that new EM...
it should be off the chain.
I'm waiting for that new 50...
it should be off the chain...
FUCK BEEF!!
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no its not about that at all. you have your eyes blinkered to everyone elses opinion because you hate eminem so much.
the problem people have its with people like ja rule / jay-z / master p / no limited etc taking pac things and capitalising off of it
by 1) copying the image
by 2) covering his songs and using them as a -major- part of their projects
if eminem took a pac song and named his album after it (i.e. like ja rule did) or made a major single for his album off of it (like ja rule + jay-z did) then we'd have issue with that too!
The difference with P is he knew Pac. Don't even bring P into this. P knew Pac.
I guess you don't realize I can't stand Ja. Em is a scumbag who can rap. Ja is a scumbag who can't. Neither of them are anything other than crap in my eyes.
With that. It's hard for me to believe that you don't think Em is banking in on his covers of Pac tracks. Just because he's not putting them on his album, doesn't mean nothing. These mixtapes are heard Worldwide and are put out for very little. The DJ is making money off it, and Em is making money thanks to the promotion. Em's image is just as much a copy of Pac's as Ja's. I've explained that already, so let's take that part out ya arguement. As for covering songs. Plenty of artists have covered songs and put them on their albums, does that make them wack? No. I don't think they're a "MAJOR" part of the album, they're just one song on an album. If you look at all of Ja's major singles, none of them have been sampled from Pac. That "Pain" track didn't go over well, even with Nas on it. Jay-Z' biggest single off BP2 was that Neptunes track. So what his first single was a Pac cover, why is that so bad? I don't understand why people get so mad when they cover a Pac song. Pac is not God. His music is not untouchable. If Jay wants to pay to use that Pac record, let him. Who are you to say he's wrong for it? Modern music was built on covers. And, like I pointed out, everyone's favorite artist, Snoop, has done plenty of covers. Why aren't you jumping on Snoop for it? Because you prefer him. It's a bias.
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damn theres always gotta be 1 fool whos gotta hate
ja rule said on radio you niggas want pac here he is -about himself that takes it to far eminem refers to pac in a different way like hes a fan as in ja rule claims he is pac thats the difference
end of this argument sgv even youve gotta admit this track is fire so just bump it
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damn theres always gotta be 1 fool whos gotta hate
ja rule said on radio you niggas want pac here he is -about himself that takes it to far eminem refers to pac in a different way like hes a fan as in ja rule claims he is pac thats the difference
end of this argument sgv even youve gotta admit this track is fire so just bump it
So, claiming to be White Pac is a fan? OK.
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Ja Rule said on radio you niggas want Pac here he is -about himself that takes it to far eminem refers to Pac in a different way like hes a fan as in Ja Rule claims he is Pac thats the difference.
already discussed this one, on page one homie...
check it...(just my observation bellow)
By the way where did Ja say he was the new Pac?
was it on a song? {Which one}
was it that one {Hot 97} interview
peep's always tend to misquote where he talk's bout/to {DmX}
"Ya'll want Pac to come back?"...
ImO..Ja was talkin' bout the passion & heat Pac had in 96'...^^
kinda like askin' if people wanted to see that side of his style.
to get at his enimes with that type of emotin.
{That's what I got out of that interview}
If i'm wrong or there is another source that I have missed...
help point out the song or interview homies...
let me know!!
Holla
Hatesrats 2oooTre
Ain't no foo's this side.. ;)