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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on October 08, 2003, 10:46:20 PM
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What would u say tha biggest misconceptions are about tha west, as far as rap and culture goes?
These are what I think are some of the biggest:
1. Myth: 2Pac was the king of the west when he was alive, and when he died, so did the West. Also, Pac was the frontrunner of the west coast, and was the biggest influence.
Fact: Yeaaaaaah right. Back in 96, L.A. loved Pac, but bein 100% honest, we loved Ice Cube and Snoop more. People were throwin up W's because of the westside connection, not because of Pac. When Pac died, it hit us bad as fuck. But we didn't even think twice that it was the end of tha west coast's era on top. I didn't even heard somebody say the west died with Pac until last year.
2. Myth: Snoop is one of the biggest crips in L.A., and he's the reason everybody is doin the C-Walk.
Fact: Most of us on this board know the truth about that. Snoop barely ever C-walks, and the reason everybody is C-Walkin is because WC brought it nationwide back in 96 on music videos.
3. Myth: If u do tha c-walk and u not a crip u will get jumped or shot
Fact: I grew up in L.A., and for the 18 years I've been there, and all the parties I have been to, I have yet to see somebody get jumped shot or banged on because of how they walked. Even tho most non-affiliates do tha clown walk now, back when people who didn't bang were doin the c-walk, they always did it different from how most crips did, and they didn't throw up shit, so most bangers could care less. But tha way that rappers talk on videos and songs, u would think it is 100% forbidden and that u will get jumped on site for it...yeah that's true at house parties where nobody knows u, but at clubs and shit nobody cares.
4. Myth: U CAN'T wear blue or red in L.A.
Fact: HAHAHAHA is all I can say. Even tho most people know different, people still ask me "i heard u can't wear any blue or red, is that true?" and I just laugh. It all depends where u are, but even at that, it depends on what u have on, not just the colors. Wearin black and white with a black NY hat and black chucks is much riskier than wearin blue jeans, blue air forces, and a blue basketball jersey.
What else could y'all list?
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5. Myth: All West Coast Rap is about Bitches and Bullets, and Dissing
pretty obvious really.. people forget the west diverse as hell.. more so than other regions because its more ethnically/culturaly diverse itself.
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What would u say tha biggest misconceptions are about tha west, as far as rap and culture goes?
These are what I think are some of the biggest:
1. Myth: 2Pac was the king of the west when he was alive, and when he died, so did the West. Also, Pac was the frontrunner of the west coast, and was the biggest influence.
Fact: Yeaaaaaah right. Back in 96, L.A. loved Pac, but bein 100% honest, we loved Ice Cube and Snoop more. People were throwin up W's because of the westside connection, not because of Pac. When Pac died, it hit us bad as fuck. But we didn't even think twice that it was the end of tha west coast's era on top. I didn't even heard somebody say the west died with Pac until last year.
2. Myth: Snoop is one of the biggest crips in L.A., and he's the reason everybody is doin the C-Walk.
Fact: Most of us on this board know the truth about that. Snoop barely ever C-walks, and the reason everybody is C-Walkin is because WC brought it nationwide back in 96 on music videos.
3. Myth: If u do tha c-walk and u not a crip u will get jumped or shot
Fact: I grew up in L.A., and for the 18 years I've been there, and all the parties I have been to, I have yet to see somebody get jumped shot or banged on because of how they walked. Even tho most non-affiliates do tha clown walk now, back when people who didn't bang were doin the c-walk, they always did it different from how most crips did, and they didn't throw up shit, so most bangers could care less. But tha way that rappers talk on videos and songs, u would think it is 100% forbidden and that u will get jumped on site for it...yeah that's true at house parties where nobody knows u, but at clubs and shit nobody cares.
4. Myth: U CAN'T wear blue or red in L.A.
Fact: HAHAHAHA is all I can say. Even tho most people know different, people still ask me "i heard u can't wear any blue or red, is that true?" and I just laugh. It all depends where u are, but even at that, it depends on what u have on, not just the colors. Wearin black and white with a black NY hat and black chucks is much riskier than wearin blue jeans, blue air forces, and a blue basketball jersey.
What else could y'all list?
I can't really think of an other myth right now, but your list is definitely true (I don't know about that L.A. thing of course, but I guess it's also true ;))
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yeah in LA they ask where you're from first, cuz it's about territory n shit. like in san fernando they practically havin a war with Pacoima even tho they claim the same shit. and r-tistic is rite, u can b wearin a pirates jersey and you can get hit up.
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yeah in LA they ask where you're from first, cuz it's about territory n shit. like in san fernando they practically havin a war with Pacoima even tho they claim the same shit. and r-tistic is rite, u can b wearin a pirates jersey and you can get hit up.
Funny you say that, my girl's brother in law is from Pacoima 13 but lives in San Fernando. Its almost like an oxymoron.
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1. That everyone wears khakis and flannels with chucks or cortez.
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It really is true i think, tupacs death killed the west coasts reign on top, the only thing highlighted about the west coast is tupac....
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It really is true i think, tupacs death killed the west coasts reign on top, the only thing highlighted about the west coast is tupac....
I agree. the west has no unity anymore w/o pac. He is not the only reason the west started doin bad tho. but when he died look at what happened to DR. and at that time DR was the biggest label in rap.
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it was cos pac was hooked up with the bay and LA guys. not too many of the rappers even did that before.. hes got a range of artists on all eyez on me, like cbo,richie rich,kurupt,nate,daz,quik,b legit, e40, dre, 4tay, snoop , dru down,.... 2pac in a sense united the bay cats with the los angeles ones, which created a strong west coast entirerty, but since he passed away, the connection between the bay and LA has also seemed to fade away, which kinda killed the west coast reign.
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I dont know man nowadays the music all sounds the same to me. bitches, 64's, crips, bloodz, niggaz gettin shot, "Im holdin the west down"(every west coast rapper says that), "yall dont show the west coast respect", "who you think started this or that. Someone from the west needs to come from left field with some shit that souds different. Every producer either sounds like DRE or Battlecat. Someone needs to come out to the point where were like "this dont sound west coast" but it is just a new sound.
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i agree with the above...I used to be all for the west and it slowly switched to the east because the West sound was gettin tired..I still like the peeps from the west who actually rap about more than crips\bloods\64's..Crooked I raps gangsta and has a superb flow.Sly Boogy, Dilated, Planet Asia, Ras Kass,Rasco are all doing original shit.
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It really is true i think, tupacs death killed the west coasts reign on top, the only thing highlighted about the west coast is tupac....
I won't say if that is or isn't true, but in 96 it definitely didn't seem like that.
The biggest albums that put the west coast on top were Doggystyle and Chronic, from Snoop and Dre. Now when Pac died, these artists hadn't even made a sequel to these albums. I think that when Snoop and Dre stopped workin for that period of time, that was when people were realizin the west was on a decline. It wasn't like when the Lakers just lost to the spurs and all on the news they were like "end of a dynasty" when Pac died, u didn't see any stories or hear any news about how the west was through. The Westside Connection was still hot, Dogg Pound was hot, and at the time, people were still waitin on what Dre and Snoop were comin back with. So personally I don't think Pac's death signified the end of the west reign. I'd say it was these things together that made the west fall:
1. Pac's death
2. Dre and Snoop not workin together
3. Dre droppin the weak compilation, and Doggfather not bein anywhere near the album Doggystyle was
4. Ice Cube's major decline
5. Death Row's total fall, other than just Pac's death
6. The south blowin up...before the south took off with No Limit, tha south supported tha west more than they supported the east, if u ask me. But since they blew up, they could give a fuck about tha west other than our old artists.
7. People got tired of gangsta rap as a whole, and moved on to flashy rap, and to strait thug rap that focused on the millions of clever ways to rap and say u killed somebody
8. No more "hood" movies based in L.A., which not only meant no more west coast soundtracks, but people jus weren't as interested in L.A.
9. Overall....the west was on top so hard, in rap, r&b, and movies, that they just burnt themselves out.
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Wearin black and white with a black NY hat and black chucks is much riskier than wearin blue jeans, blue air forces, and a blue basketball jersey.
why is that?
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Wearin black and white with a black NY hat and black chucks is much riskier than wearin blue jeans, blue air forces, and a blue basketball jersey.
why is that?
Well it's not always about what colors u wear, but how u wear em. Neighborhood crips wear NY hats, along with NC (North Carolina) hats. Sometimes, u might think the hat says NY but it really has a H instead of Y, meanin Neighborhood. Now many crips, especially when they are deep, wear shit like white tees, black hats, black jeans, and bangers are the main ones to wear black chucks.
Now for tha all blue outfit i described, if u are in a blood hot spot then of course they'll bang on u or start somethin. But in most places, even tho it's more crips anyway, people don't pay attention to blue as much. Crips wear certain jerseys, but say if u had on a Blue dodgers, Nets, Clippers, N.O. Hornets, nobody would really care. Blue jeans...nobody cares because bloods wear blue jeans. Blue shoes, if it's not blue chucks or K-Swiss (Kill a Slob Within Sixty Seconds/Kill a Slob When I See a Slob) then nobody cares. For blue hats, Dodgers hats are coo, and most hats are coo except a few baseball caps, and a few football.
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Wearin black and white with a black NY hat and black chucks is much riskier than wearin blue jeans, blue air forces, and a blue basketball jersey.
why is that?
Well it's not always about what colors u wear, but how u wear em. Neighborhood crips wear NY hats, along with NC (North Carolina) hats. Sometimes, u might think the hat says NY but it really has a H instead of Y, meanin Neighborhood. Now many crips, especially when they are deep, wear shit like white tees, black hats, black jeans, and bangers are the main ones to wear black chucks.
Now for tha all blue outfit i described, if u are in a blood hot spot then of course they'll bang on u or start somethin. But in most places, even tho it's more crips anyway, people don't pay attention to blue as much. Crips wear certain jerseys, but say if u had on a Blue dodgers, Nets, Clippers, N.O. Hornets, nobody would really care. Blue jeans...nobody cares because bloods wear blue jeans. Blue shoes, if it's not blue chucks or K-Swiss (Kill a Slob Within Sixty Seconds/Kill a Slob When I See a Slob) then nobody cares. For blue hats, Dodgers hats are coo, and most hats are coo except a few baseball caps, and a few football.
I never head of that shit before. I live in N Hollywood/Burbank are and we dont have any crips around here. What part of LA do the Neighborhood crips stay at?
and whats wit this black? now crips are wearing black? wtf?
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should start takin notes for when i holiday in LA, dont want to get shot up for wearing the wrong baseball cap or shoes
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I never head of that shit before. I live in N Hollywood/Burbank are and we dont have any crips around here. What part of LA do the Neighborhood crips stay at?
and whats wit this black? now crips are wearing black? wtf?
LOL....thas no problem with that tho, the fact u don't kno bout this means u haven't been around it much which means u must live a lot more comfortable. What race are u?
Neighborhood Crips is a group of sets that are all tied together, even tho some of em have beef with each other still. It's maybe 20, 30, or more sets that are from Neighborhood. It gets complex as hell. Neighborhood is in L.A., Compton, Lynwood, Long Beach, and probably in other cities but thats where I kno they are for sure. Like Nate Warren Snoop Goldie Daz Snoop's gang Rollin 20s Long Beach, Kurupts CJ Macs Rollin 60s, Jayo's Rollin 40s, WC's 111s.
Well..bloods and crips wear black, sometimes u can't really tell if they are crip or blood because they might wear it to be undercover for the time. But u can tell jus because u might see a grip of crips and half have on blue and white or similan, and a few might have on black and white. But other than that, different crip sets wear gold and black, some wear blue and grey, some wear baby blue and navy blue, some wear black and grey, hoovers, if u wanna call em crips, wear orange, some wear blue and gold, some wear purple, some wear green bandanas. But it's not like "he has on a blue and gold jersey, he's from main street then" or "he has on all lakers, he must be from grape st." its usually never like that.
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I never head of that shit before. I live in N Hollywood/Burbank are and we dont have any crips around here. What part of LA do the Neighborhood crips stay at?
and whats wit this black? now crips are wearing black? wtf?
LOL....thas no problem with that tho, the fact u don't kno bout this means u haven't been around it much which means u must live a lot more comfortable. What race are u?
Neighborhood Crips is a group of sets that are all tied together, even tho some of em have beef with each other still. It's maybe 20, 30, or more sets that are from Neighborhood. It gets complex as hell. Neighborhood is in L.A., Compton, Lynwood, Long Beach, and probably in other cities but thats where I kno they are for sure. Like Nate Warren Snoop Goldie Daz Snoop's gang Rollin 20s Long Beach, Kurupts CJ Macs Rollin 60s, Jayo's Rollin 40s, WC's 111s.
Well..bloods and crips wear black, sometimes u can't really tell if they are crip or blood because they might wear it to be undercover for the time. But u can tell jus because u might see a grip of crips and half have on blue and white or similan, and a few might have on black and white. But other than that, different crip sets wear gold and black, some wear blue and grey, some wear baby blue and navy blue, some wear black and grey, hoovers, if u wanna call em crips, wear orange, some wear blue and gold, some wear purple, some wear green bandanas. But it's not like "he has on a blue and gold jersey, he's from main street then" or "he has on all lakers, he must be from grape st." its usually never like that.
i dont have that problem in burbank. have u ever been to burbank? its nuthin but a bunch of crackas. Im hispanic so i gotta worry about some ese's confusing me for a banger oppose to a black guy thinking im a crip or blood.
i know about tha last pharagraph u said. Some wear diffrent colors and shit. I heard about them grape street dudes. They be wearing nuthin but purpule. what i dont get is the nieghborhood ties. I thought crips have diffent clicks and shit but them wearing a ny i have never heard that. I thought they would rep LA or some shit like that.
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i dont have that problem in burbank. have u ever been to burbank? its nuthin but a bunch of crackas. Im hispanic so i gotta worry about some ese's confusing me for a banger oppose to a black guy thinking im a crip or blood.
i know about tha last pharagraph u said. Some wear diffrent colors and shit. I heard about them grape street dudes. They be wearing nuthin but purpule. what i dont get is the nieghborhood ties. I thought crips have diffent clicks and shit but them wearing a ny i have never heard that. I thought they would rep LA or some shit like that.
LOL I have been to Burbank but not in any neighborhoods, just the business area. For tha neighborhood, most of the neighborhood sets are streets that are named on street names, such as 20s, 40s, 60s, 90s, 111s. They mainly wear the NC hats tho. The 60s wear LA hats, but wearin a LA hat isn't signifying anything since we are in L.A., u know, because one gang can't claim an L.A. hat just because everybody wears em and it doesn't have significance. Like if u went to Burbank high, wearin a burbank high jersey wouldnt mean shit on your campus, but if everybody from a certain click was wearin Pomona high jerseys, then u would know who they are..got me?
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i dont have that problem in burbank. have u ever been to burbank? its nuthin but a bunch of crackas. Im hispanic so i gotta worry about some ese's confusing me for a banger oppose to a black guy thinking im a crip or blood.
i know about tha last pharagraph u said. Some wear diffrent colors and shit. I heard about them grape street dudes. They be wearing nuthin but purpule. what i dont get is the nieghborhood ties. I thought crips have diffent clicks and shit but them wearing a ny i have never heard that. I thought they would rep LA or some shit like that.
LOL I have been to Burbank but not in any neighborhoods, just the business area. For tha neighborhood, most of the neighborhood sets are streets that are named on street names, such as 20s, 40s, 60s, 90s, 111s. They mainly wear the NC hats tho. The 60s wear LA hats, but wearin a LA hat isn't signifying anything since we are in L.A., u know, because one gang can't claim an L.A. hat just because everybody wears em and it doesn't have significance. Like if u went to Burbank high, wearin a burbank high jersey wouldnt mean shit on your campus, but if everybody from a certain click was wearin Pomona high jerseys, then u would know who they are..got me?
yeah i get you.... What about these white or hispanic bloods and crips. I was at the bay and i seen even some asian cats claim to be bangers. I know in TX u also got white bangers as well that claim to be blood.
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yeah i get you.... What about these white or hispanic bloods and crips. I was at the bay and i seen even some asian cats claim to be bangers. I know in TX u also got white bangers as well that claim to be blood.
Aww shit...well for whites I donno of any real white gangs. Hispanics are on some different shit. I am black so I don't kno a lot about their gangs or territories. But asians...most people don't believe me when I say there are some crazy ass asians gangs who'll stab u to death and shit. Carson has the most asian and somoan bloods, thas where boo ya tribe is from. Most asians are bloods to my knowledge. I don't think they are as much on gangbangin, territory, and colors. I think they are more organized and more on drugs and other shit. Hispanic gangs are similar to blacks but I donno about the names and all that but I kno they have some crip and some blood gangs.
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yeah i get you.... What about these white or hispanic bloods and crips. I was at the bay and i seen even some asian cats claim to be bangers. I know in TX u also got white bangers as well that claim to be blood.
Aww shit...well for whites I donno of any real white gangs. Hispanics are on some different shit. I am black so I don't kno a lot about their gangs or territories. But asians...most people don't believe me when I say there are some crazy ass asians gangs who'll stab u to death and shit. Carson has the most asian and somoan bloods, thas where boo ya tribe is from. Most asians are bloods to my knowledge. I don't think they are as much on gangbangin, territory, and colors. I think they are more organized and more on drugs and other shit. Hispanic gangs are similar to blacks but I donno about the names and all that but I kno they have some crip and some blood gangs.
yeah i know theres those asians in carson who are carzy. I didn't know to take it as a joke or what when i saw some whitey in tx claiming to be a blood. I know they would probably get their ass whooped if they ever came to LA. ....you seem to know alot about this shit. where in los angeles do u live?
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yeah i know theres those asians in carson who are carzy. I didn't know to take it as a joke or what when i saw some whitey in tx claiming to be a blood. I know they would probably get their ass whooped if they ever came to LA. ....you seem to know alot about this shit. where in los angeles do u live?
I do like this...I am in FL for college now, but wherever I go outside of CA where I see bloods and crips, I already kno they are fake in one way or another, and I laugh, but not to their face. Because no matter how fake or stupid they may appear, they LOVE to prove themselves, and the only thing they need is to shoot or jump somebody from L.A. just to say they did. "I am a Texas/NY/etc blood but I shot/whooped somebody from L.A" as if it gives em clout.
I am from Gardena, Crenshaw/Van Ness and Rosecrans/135th. I am about 5 minutes from "South"-South Central where Southwest college is, and I am 5 minutes from Inglewood. So I kno just about everything that the typical dude in L.A. would kno as far as gangs, I'm not one of those outsiders who hasn't even seen gangs before but reads shit on the net and think they kno everything.
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Pac was never huge, until he died. Ice Cube and Westside Connect were running L.A. at the time. E-40 had the Bay, as far as I'm concerned. But anyway.
About the C-Walk shit. Out here in the S.G.V. we only have Du-Roc, in Duarte, Neighborhood, in West Covina, and that's pretty much it. The rest is all Cholos. Basset, Azusa, Puente, NS BP, ES BP, etc. so C-Walking out here won't really matter. I'm sure if someone was C-Walking in Pasadena, where Bloods are deep, they would get got. At clubs, there's rarely Gangstas, unless it's Club Metro, but that shit's shut down. I'm almost sure if you're C-Walking in a Crip neighborhood, you're gonna get hit up. After that, anything can happen. They could give you a pass, or fuck you up. That's why I say, if you're not Cripping don't do it. It's not for you.
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Pac was never huge, until he died. Ice Cube and Westside Connect were running L.A. at the time. E-40 had the Bay, as far as I'm concerned. But anyway.
Thas real, tell em because most people outside of Cali never believe me on that.
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I would have to disagree about some of the stuff about Pac. It really depends on what time frame you are talking about. In 96, yes Westside connection was hot, but everyone and their mom was bumping All Eyez on Me up in Northern Cali for years. I believe from 95-96 Pac was the biggest thing, think California Love. Although it isn't my favorite Pac album, All Eyez on Me is probably the most influential rap album to date. Heck, it's sold the most.
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I would have to disagree about some of the stuff about Pac. It really depends on what time frame you are talking about. In 96, yes Westside connection was hot, but everyone and their mom was bumping All Eyez on Me up in Northern Cali for years. I believe from 95-96 Pac was the biggest thing, think California Love. Although it isn't my favorite Pac album, All Eyez on Me is probably the most influential rap album to date. Heck, it's sold the most.
Sales don't mean most influential. Most people won't even call AEOM the most influential Pac album. What I am sayin is that when Pac died, nobody was lookin as if the west coast was through. And also, everybody nowadays seems to think that Pac was the frontrunner from the west, mainly because of the "East Coast/West Coast" media bullshit that he was the head of. But he was throwin dubs up because of the West Connect, not vice versa. Lookin back u might say that Pac's death ended the west's era, but if u read my post about 8-10 posts ago in this thread that had 9 reasons, I think that had a lot more to do with the west's decline than just Pac's death alone.
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The Pac death hurt, Biggie's death really hurt, because it was in L.A. Labels ran out of L.A. when that happened. They didn't want to be out here. So, they dropped all the West Coast artists, especially the Bay cats. Suge going to jail didn't help. Dre starting his own company, that started off real shakey didn't help. Snoop making an album with No Limit in 2 or 3 weeks really didn't help. Etc.
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Oh and about Snooper Dooper. He is not some huge gang banger. The only reason why he's so "infamous" is because of who he is. If he was not famous, he'd just be another banger, not a shot caller. Someone like Keita Rock, that's a real gangsta who raps. He has stripes.