West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Trauma-san on October 24, 2003, 05:22:32 PM
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Who do yall think was the biggest tragedy when they died? For me, it's easily Biggie. Why? Because even though many would say Pac, or Pac's better, to me, not only was Pac NOT better than Biggie (opinion), but Biggie had only dropped 1 album (2 finished) when he died, and had so much more to give. Pac had already recorded and released several albums, we'd seen what Pac had to offer. Biggie, we hadn't seen shit yet. Also, Pac lived that lifestyle, he knew he was going to die in a blaze, it was no tragedy when he got shot, because everybody knew it would happen. Biggie was (by all appearances, at least) a good guy who didn't live or desire the gangsta life he rapped about.
So, to me, Pac is out of the question, Biggie's death was the biggest tragedy to hit hiphop. I can understand well worded arguments on Mauseburg, etc. but I can't see how Pac could be a bigger tragedy. What do yall think?
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Mayne you got it all wrong...when DJ Screw died my nig...there wouldn't be no South without DJ Screw...R.I.P. Robert Davis...
There would be not internet without Al Gore...,
Penny B.
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Well, I was gonna look up more info on DJ Screw then I read your last line and realized you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.
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Well, I was gonna look up more info on DJ Screw then I read your last line and realized you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.
Well I was gonna take you seriously but I realized you had Buddy Holly in your sig and avator...go listen to Weezer or something...
Pick up new Source DJ Screw is the cover story in that piece...,
Penny B.
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^lmao
I'd have to say BIG to, and for the same reasons as Buddy Holly. I was too young to remember, but I do know that he wasnt out too long and then he got popped. :-\
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It's a hard decision for me.
Pac was improving dramatically each album and always switched his style. Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me and The 7 Day Theory are all different. I would have liked to seen what he had next for us. And his Makaveli period was his best work and he was improving lyrically with each album too.
Big died too quick yes and he was improving as well (Check his verse on "Victory"). His storytelling had become much more graphic as proven by "Niggaz Bleed" and "I Got A Story To Tell". Although Ready To Die was his better album he broke new ground and set new trends with Life After Death and obviously improved in his delivery, flow, etc.
R.I.P.
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Biggie Smalls was tragic.....With Pac, you could see it coming.
RIP to both legends tho.
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Big Pun he was such a good man ,he was afraid to die , and he was always happy to lose weight and he was a great rapper ...a big talent but also a big lost
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But naw seriously...Big L was the largest tradegy in Hip-Hop...boy had skill...lyrically would eat up Eminem or any other other rapper besides maybe Rakim...
Big L is one of the greatest rappers of all-time...,
Penny B.
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For me there have been a few...
...poetic ...this one was real sad cos we all thought he had pulled thru n was in the clear then pop Gone!
...jam master jay...tupac & biggie equally (tho pac was an early fav of mine...you know when he wasnt "cool" to everyone)
Big Pun yes...
and dj screw...hell yes...seeing as the masterpiece he made and empire he built has only really become the phenomenon it is today since his death.
Sure there are more but its way too early to think at all right now .
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Big L...... he never had the chance to blow up. he was about to blow up 2. he was about to sign with the roc. imagine how big the song ebonics would of been if L wasnt dead b/c no major lable is goin put money into a dead rapper unless there pac or big. an how the L died is even more tragic. He took 4 or 5 shots to the face point blank. All over some street shit he wasnt even involved with. it had to do with his bro an his bro was locked up so they merked L cuz they couldnt get to his brother. how fucked up is that
RIP BIG L
1974-1999
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^^ True
Life isnt a bowl of cherries or a box or chocolates...its different degrres of shitty sometimes...
...im sure that he will come back brighter (if there is an afterlife)
Who knows
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and dj screw...hell yes...seeing as the masterpiece he made and empire he built has only really become the phenomenon it is today since his death.
8)
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Big L no doubt. He was definitely on the way up, man if he'd signed with the ROC he would have been massive. And he wouldn't have comprised either, you wouldn't be seeing him on no Neptunes bullshit if he was around now. Straight up lyrical excellence.
Pac lived it, and knew that this sort of shit could happen to him. Biggie was a tragedy, but to be honest I don't think he would have ever reached the level of Ready To Die again, he was moving towards a more commercial sound, and Puffy wanted him massive, which meant top 10 singles all the time.
Oh, and Jam Masta Jay definitely, he didn't deserve to die that early in his life, after all that he and Run DMC as a whole did for hiphop.
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damn man...i didnt even realize poetic was dead...i just got into that song "one life"...thats like my favorite song now...i didnt know he was dead...dude had so much talent and emotion...damn...
my two would be:
Jam Master Jay (a legend...of course will be missed)
Poetic (just found out but thats a damn shame)
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how else can i forget
H.I.T.L.A.H. Capo Confusious...
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It's a hard decision for me.
Pac was improving dramatically each album and always switched his style. Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me and The 7 Day Theory are all different. I would have liked to seen what he had next for us. And his Makaveli period was his best work and he was improving lyrically with each album too.
Personally, I think his best put together album was Me Against The World....easilly. People always saying he used to improve with every album, I used to convince myself too, but years of owning all of pac's albums showes which one is the num1 priority bump as a whole and which albums are bumped for certain tracks, controversys and concepts.
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2Pac no doubt, no need to even read much less debate any other response.
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Pac
Cougnut
Big L
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Big L without a doubt because as people said he was about to blow! Pac and BIG had albums out that the world got to hear but L didnt and was about to get that >:(
also JMJ because it was so unexcpected >:(
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Rappin' Ron. One of the most talented rappers in the bay but died after one album
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Eazy E
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Poetic
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2Pac no doubt, no need to even read much less debate any other response.
So you'd rather stay ignorant to opinions on it, definitions of tragedy, and continue to RIDE FOR PAC!!!! ... Ignorant.
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Rappin' Ron. One of the most talented rappers in the bay but died after one album
Lets just say, he ain't dead homie, if you know what I mean.
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So to sum up, I guess everybody finds these as the most tragic
Poetic
Biggie
Big L
DJ Screw
Jam Master Jay
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:( No Eazy E No NWA
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i still say pac although he lived that life style doesnt mean its not traggic....
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Eazy E
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With Pac you gotta go passed the music shit. He was an incredible actor as well. Plus, he was big with the civil rights movement and all that. An all around great man. Now I'm not saying Biggie wasn't a great man, but IMO Pac's death was much more tragic.
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DJ Screw
THE MOST INFLUENTIAL DJ IN THE SOUTH!!!
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JMJ over all. Big L is second.
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I'd have to say the most tragic deaths to me are the ones when people were taken in their prime.
Mausberg- The west woulda been a WHOLE different place right now if Mausberg was still around. He would have been doing HUGE things. It's a shame that he got taken so early cause he had a real talent.
RIP
Eazy E- Same thing. Eazy was a pioneer. He created westcoast rap as we know it. Think of what could have happened if he was still alive? New NWA albums, Ruthless as a power label, etc...
RIP
Tupac- Things just haven't been the same in rap music since he got taken.
RIP
RIP to all those who lost their lives. They will live on thru their music.
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Another tragic thing about Pac's death is that you could argue it gave way to the eventual downfall of West Coast rap music.
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In hip-hop, I think both were tragic. Biggie a little more than 'Pac in terms of both their careers, but in terms of overall, 'Pac was more so. He had plans to start his own political party, get major charities, help out intercities, and just help out hip-hop take it to another level, that was never seen. Biggie's career was cut short, and that's sad, because he only had 2 albums, both classics, and it seemed his career was going to blow up. But 'Pac had his movie career, you know he was always coming out with new sounds, trying to be different, and if he survived his young life, he wanted to mature and because a political figure, which he said Malcom X was a criminal, but he changed his life and started a movement, if he could survive, there is so much more for him to do. He was only getting started, and if he could survive, that he would mature into a political figure. I believe if he would have mature, there was no stopping him. In hip-hop, yeah, Biggies death was more tragic, because Biggie was putting out music to get money, he said it himself, he was only worried about getting out the drug game. But 'Pac had a vision, he was to be the next Malcom X, the next Marcus Garvey, the next great black leader, because he was only 25, imagion him with his strong speaking ablities at the age of 35, 40, 45, after he lived his wild superstar days, helping out his communities, and putting to use the Black Panther teachings that he was taught.
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Big Pun he was such a good man ,he was afraid to die , and he was always happy to lose weight and he was a great rapper ...a big talent but also a big lost
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What does being afraid to die have anything to do with it? Actually, IMO, if you live a "I don't give a fucc" attitude I think that's even more tragic, because you basically brought it upon yourself. Which is exactly what Pac did.
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1.big l
2.camoflague-he was so young and he was killed.damn
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