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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Timothy Eccles, CEO/Founder of Black Collar Entertainment Inc. on November 17, 2003, 02:37:53 PM
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I think Bow Down is better, the beats on this project aren't the westcoast flava i was expecting, i was hoping for a lot more funky battlecat and fredwreck, meech wells, blaqtoven, even a daz or dr.dre instrumental would have been real nice na'mean, there r a couple bangers like:
Don't Get Outta Pocket, You gota have heart, and obviously lights our and gangsta nations are bangers, but i was hoping for every song to be CRAZY, for a comeback album i thought it could have been better, but its not a bad album but its not a great album either, i think BOW DOWN was a great album, but thats just my opinion na'mean.
What do y'all think
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What's the next thread? Doggystyle vs. Tha Doggfather?
This choice is pretty obvious to me on this one.
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What's the next thread? Doggystyle vs. Tha Doggfather?
This choice is pretty obvious to me on this one.
No kidding.
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i made this post because i seen other threads sayin that "Terrorist Threats" is a 4.5 outa 5 and how supposedly everyone is feeling it na'mean, jus wanted to see who else thought that it could have been better and what peeps thought about the production na'mean, cause their flows are always tight they never come wack on the lyrics and delivery but the production on this project was lack luster to me na'mean.
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cause their flows are always tight they never come wack on the lyrics and delivery but the production on this project was lack luster to me na'mean.
You summed up my entire feelings for the album right there. This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down. Bow Down is 100x better. They used beats that do not fit their style for this album. They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes. Anyone who says this album is as good as bow down, must have shit in their ears. Lyrics and rapping is tight as always, no dissapointments. The beats just don't fit it at all. To commercial/poppy/positive/happy sounding for westside connection.
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They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes.
Crazy Toones didn't produce anything on Bow Down.
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Crazy Toones didn't produce anything on Bow Down.
so what? He produces for WC and Ice Cube.
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Crazy Toones didn't produce anything on Bow Down.
so what? He produces for WC and Ice Cube.
Well you were talking about Bow Down kid.
"This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down. Bow Down is 100x better. They used beats that do not fit their style for this album. They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes."
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Well you were talking about Bow Down kid.
"This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down. Bow Down is 100x better. They used beats that do not fit their style for this album. They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes."
OK DADDY. Next time I will have a map with arrows, pictures, diagrams and what not. I must be sure to specify everything, otherwise I may confuse some individuals with drooling problems.
here let me rephrase:
WSC should stick with budd'a and crazy tunes, cause at least we know WC and Ice Cube sound good over their production.
Is that clear enough for you? Or do you need some pictures to go along with it?
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Well you were talking about Bow Down kid.
"This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down. Bow Down is 100x better. They used beats that do not fit their style for this album. They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes."
OK DADDY. Next time I will have a map with arrows, pictures, diagrams and what not. I must be sure to specify everything, otherwise I may confuse some individuals with drooling problems.
here let me rephrase:
WSC should stick with budd'a and crazy tunes, cause at least we know WC and Ice Cube sound good over their production.
Is that clear enough for you? Or do you need some pictures to go along with it?
Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?
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Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?
No, I am busy punching myself in the head due to the idiocy of other people. Maybe if I hit myself hard enuff, enuff times, I will be on the same level as people such as yourself. (unless you start punching yourself in the head too, only because you're trying to smash a bug, which is really just a bit zit)
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Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?
No, I am busy punching myself in the head due to the idiocy of other people. Maybe if I hit myself hard enuff, enuff times, I will be on the same level as people such as yourself. (unless you start punching yourself in the head too, only because you're trying to smash a bug, which is really just a bit zit)
Cool. What did you just say? Write another paragraph.
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Cool. What did you just say? Write another paragraph.
SHERM STICK/
WE GON' SMOKE A DIP/
ALL OF IT, NOT A LITTLE BIT/
WE GON' SMOKE A DIP/
SHERM STICK
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bow down was pretty much needed at the time.....some of these songs are needed but i feel they were just trying to be contriversial....
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Word up C2Knuckles...it's no reason to compare em. As I said in the other thread, expectin this album to be as good, is like puttin together the 96 Bulls and expectin them to win the 2004 NBA title, which is damn near impossible.
I don't expect this album to be close to that, but I expect it to be much different.
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I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but I have heard is real good. "Gangsta Nations", "Get Ignit", "Lights Out", "Call 911", and "Terrorist Threats" are all bangers. Are they on Bow Down's level? Hell nah. But has anything Snoop done compare to Doggystyle? Anything Linch done compare to SOS? Anything Ras done compare to Soul On Ice? Just cuz it ain't as great as Bow Down is doesn't mean it's not good. I can't wait to cop this December 9th.
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you cant honestly compare this to bow down. From what ive heard on it, obviously it is some bomb shit, but i mean bow down was revolutionary. so how can you honestly compare the two?
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Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?
No, I am busy punching myself in the head due to the idiocy of other people. Maybe if I hit myself hard enuff, enuff times, I will be on the same level as people such as yourself. (unless you start punching yourself in the head too, only because you're trying to smash a bug, which is really just a bit zit)
LMFAO!
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WTF wait till the fucking album drops where did ya'll hear the whole album so i can hear it too? im punching myself in the head too because of the people already judging it before it drops!
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bow down!!! classssicc
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Like some other dudes said before, you can't compare the new album with "Bow Down". "Bow Down" was released in '96, back in the days rap-music was on a way other level than it is today. If you expected "Terrorist Threats" to be like their debut, you don't understand the way that music goes. Even if everybody wanted a classic like "Bow Down" was, nobody could really expect a album that is structured on the same way as it was. No rapper ever released an album after 2000 that could actually be compared with his releases from '92-'96, because music changes and you'll have to understand that.
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I can't judge about this. I've heard TT only twice ::)
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bow down was pretty much needed at the time.....some of these songs are needed but i feel they were just trying to be contriversial....
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So, from what I'm reading, you cannot compare Terrorist Threats to Bow Down ::) or expect it to be on the same level ::)
let me think here....who made Bow Down.......
Oh yeah...The Westside Connection
and who made Terrorist Threats? Oh Shit! its the Westside connection too!
Now Explain to my why I can't compare these two, or expect terrorist threats to be as good?
did they add or drop a member of the group?
do they not make gangsta rap anymore? Is it now a RNB group?
Did all three members become born again christians? and change their lyrics?
NO NO NO! Its the same exact rappers! What is different about them? Is their some unwritten law in the music industry that says its impossible to make an album as good as your first or best album?
WTF am supposed to compare this album too? If I compare it to anything thats dropped within the last year than yeah, this album is a near classic. but that isn't saying anything because most music that drops nowadays is garbage. I don't expect it to be the same as bow down, but its not even on the same page. It's not even close to as good as bow down. And yes, I was expecting an undeniable classic, which I didn't get, therefor I am dissapointed.
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Bow Down is better imo. but the new one is pretty nice too
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man i knew some idiot was gonna go and make this thread.
u could have made this 6 months ago and the answer would be bow down
and guess what....it;s still bow down.
peace
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"Terrorist Threats" is tyte, but i gotta got wit "Bow Down", it was a str8 classic.
COMING IN JANUARY....
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Hector, you ain't gettin' it. Production is a very important part of a track and the production-style has changed in the last few years! Also nowadays it seems to be usual to have fucked up RnB hooks on the majority of the tracks. And after listenin' to pre-released tracks like "Lights Out" and "Gangsta Nation" it was obvious that the musical factors of the album won't be comparable to the one of "Bow Down". Nobody said that the rappers changed their flow, lyrics, or whatever... But just listen to the track "Terrorist Threats", it sounds like a Neptunes production, so the music has changed because the influences changed too, you can't deny that.
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Hector, you ain't gettin' it. Production is a very important part of a track and the production-style has changed in the last few years! Also nowadays it seems to be usual to have fucked up RnB hooks on the majority of the tracks. And after listenin' to pre-released tracks like "Lights Out" and "Gangsta Nation" it was obvious that the musical factors of the album won't be comparable to the one of "Bow Down". Nobody said that the rappers changed their flow, lyrics, or whatever... But just listen to the track "Terrorist Threats", it sounds like a Neptunes production, so the music has changed because the influences changed too, you can't deny that.
I thought Terrorist Threats was one of the best songs of this album :-X
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^^ I didn't say that the track is whack, I only stated it sounds a lil' bit like a Neptunes beat. If you like this type of production, then you'll like the song ;) Because there's nothing to criticize on the raps.
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This choice is pretty obvious to me on this one.
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NO, shit, thanks for letting me know that music style has changed. that doesn't mean I can't compare their albums. Lets see, dogg food dropped in 95 and dillinger and young gotti dropped in 2001. I still could compare those albums. and I ask again, if I can't compare terrorist threats to bow down, then what the fuck do I compare it too?
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NO, shit, thanks for letting me know that music style has changed. that doesn't mean I can't compare their albums. Lets see, dogg food dropped in 95 and dillinger and young gotti dropped in 2001. I still could compare those albums. and I ask again, if I can't compare terrorist threats to bow down, then what the fuck do I compare it too?
Well..it's hard to explain than it should be. But for one, just listen to the lyrics from Cube and Mack 10. They are not the same as they were in 96. They are not a lot worst, but listenin to old cube and mack 10, and listenin to new shit, it's obvious they have gotten worst.
Second of all, Bow Down's focal point was lettin the country know the west coast was no joke, and that was when there was heavy tension between the east and west. Since then, the east and west have made peace and much progress, and it's not as much of a reason to call out east coast rappers, critics, etc. which is basically why they diss "R&B Rappers" because thas the only thing they can use right now.
3rd, gangsta rap may not be dead but it surely isn't what it was in 96. Everything has already been said. Most people outside of the west could care less about gangsta rap.
And u said u compare Dogg Food to DPG D&YG....I mean u CAN compare em but 9 9 and a half people will say that dogg food is a muuuuch better album.
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^^^^I'm not dissapointed with lyrics at all. its the beats that suck.
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I never said you shouldn't compare albums of an artist/a group to their former releases, that's only natural and usually I do it the same way, but I think in this case it's very difficult to compare the WSCG's two albums, because there are seven years between them and the music has not only changed, but changed drastically. Because nobody would release an album like "Bow Down" these days (unfortunately), and that's why you shouldn't compare them two. If "Terrorist Threats" would've been released only one or two years after "Bow Down", the comparison would've been more simple, but because nobody expects an album like "Bow Down" in 2003, they should judge it for it's own. I'm sorry, it's difficult to explain what I mean.
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Threats fits nicely in to my collection, but it will never have the rotation that Bow Down had.
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why would nobody drop an album like bow down nowadays? cause rappers suck and sellout and it's not in their heart? they are too pussy to claim westcoast so much? cause no rapper or group is as good as WSC in 96? Explain why nobody could drop an album like bow down nowadays? I agree that 95% of rappers nowadays don't make good enough music as 7-10 years ago, but their are still a few rappers out there with the talent.
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Terroist Threats is better!
sounds are new and fresh
but Bow Down is classic
ya know 8)
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It's just my experience that rappers don't drop such albums any more, except some real underground-cats (that doesn't mean that the WSCG is sell-out). It's not only that the commercial-music has changed, but the Westcoast-music changed too, although it still isn't sell-out. So I expected a dope Westcoast-album, but with the Westcoast-flavour of "today" - and that's what happened.
It doesn't make sense to discuss this issue anymore, because I'll just say "music changed" again and again. Surely they could've dropped an oldschool-album which nobody expected (like Andre did with "The Love Below"), but I never thought of that, I was sure that the album will sound different. It seems that I was the only one who thought that way. So fuck it...
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NO, shit, thanks for letting me know that music style has changed. that doesn't mean I can't compare their albums. Lets see, dogg food dropped in 95 and dillinger and young gotti dropped in 2001. I still could compare those albums. and I ask again, if I can't compare terrorist threats to bow down, then what the fuck do I compare it too?
Well..it's hard to explain than it should be. But for one, just listen to the lyrics from Cube and Mack 10. They are not the same as they were in 96. They are not a lot worst, but listenin to old cube and mack 10, and listenin to new shit, it's obvious they have gotten worst.
Second of all, Bow Down's focal point was lettin the country know the west coast was no joke, and that was when there was heavy tension between the east and west. Since then, the east and west have made peace and much progress, and it's not as much of a reason to call out east coast rappers, critics, etc. which is basically why they diss "R&B Rappers" because thas the only thing they can use right now.
3rd, gangsta rap may not be dead but it surely isn't what it was in 96. Everything has already been said. Most people outside of the west could care less about gangsta rap.
And u said u compare Dogg Food to DPG D&YG....I mean u CAN compare em but 9 9 and a half people will say that dogg food is a muuuuch better album.
It's worse, not worst.
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Terroist Threats is better!
sounds are new and fresh
but Bow Down is classic
ya know 8)
True true...i love this album...but im in love with the first ;)
lol
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No comparison IMO.
Bow Down, all 3 of them were coming hard. There are several bangers on the first, such as Bow Down, How Many Critics in the NYC, King of the Hill, the Gansta, the Killa, the Dope Dealer, and others. Terrorist Threats, has no bangers, just 3 good songs (Lights Out, Gangsta Nation, Rappers in Love) and the rest of the album is ass crack. The production goes from inconsistent to poor. Ice Cube and Mack 10 sound terrible. WC still sounds tight but that's it. There is absolutely no comparison. Also it saddens me to see how far Ice Cube has fallen off. It's like he doesn't even stand for anything anymore as a rapper and I find that depressing.
"Bow Down".... 4.5 mics
"Terrorist Threats".... 2 mics
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I don't even need to hear Terrorist Threats to know.
Bow Down is better.
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bow down no question that album was heat top to bottom. this one has songs that are just plain wack it is very hit and miss where bow down just flowed together so nicely i remember when that came out i was a freshman in high school i bumped that shit through winter
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NO DOUBT BOW DOWN WAS A CLASSIC, BUT THE TERRORIST THREATS WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GROW ON SOME PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO GET USED TO THE FACT THAT TERRORIST THREATS IS NOT A CLASSIC YET BECAUSE IT IS NOT OFFICIALLY RELEASED YET PLUS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OUT FOR SOME YEARS BEFORE IT EARNS THE TITLE "CLASSIC"
BUT THIS ALBUM IS A TRUE BANGER FOR THE TRUE GANGSTA RAP FANS
"You can even tell that muthafuckin Jesse Jackson/ Pay your child support/ Keep your payments up/ Put a rubber on/ And dont fuck with us."
WESTSIDE CONNECTION - LIGHTZ OUT
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Terrorist Threats is more up to date.
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Terrorist Threats is more up to date.