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Title: Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Timothy Eccles, CEO/Founder of Black Collar Entertainment Inc. on November 17, 2003, 02:37:53 PM
I think Bow Down is better, the beats on this project aren't the westcoast flava i was expecting, i was hoping for a lot more funky battlecat and fredwreck, meech wells, blaqtoven, even a daz or dr.dre instrumental would have been real nice na'mean, there r a couple bangers like:
Don't Get Outta Pocket, You gota have heart, and obviously lights our and gangsta nations are bangers, but i was hoping for every song to be CRAZY, for a comeback album i  thought it could have been better, but its not a bad album but its not a great album either, i think BOW DOWN was a great album, but thats just my opinion na'mean.
What do y'all think
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Twentytwofifty on November 17, 2003, 02:41:43 PM
What's the next thread?  Doggystyle vs. Tha Doggfather?

This choice is pretty obvious to me on this one.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 17, 2003, 02:43:09 PM
What's the next thread?  Doggystyle vs. Tha Doggfather?

This choice is pretty obvious to me on this one.

No kidding.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Timothy Eccles, CEO/Founder of Black Collar Entertainment Inc. on November 17, 2003, 02:46:59 PM
i made this post because i seen other threads sayin that "Terrorist Threats" is a 4.5 outa 5 and how supposedly everyone is feeling it na'mean, jus wanted to see who else thought that it could have been better and what peeps thought about the production na'mean, cause their flows are always tight they never come wack on the lyrics and delivery but the production on this project was lack luster to me na'mean.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 17, 2003, 02:52:57 PM
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cause their flows are always tight they never come wack on the lyrics and delivery but the production on this project was lack luster to me na'mean.

You summed up my entire feelings for the album right there.  This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down.  Bow Down is 100x better.  They used beats that do not fit their style for this album.  They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes.  Anyone who says this album is as good as bow down, must have shit in their ears.  Lyrics and rapping is tight as always, no dissapointments.  The beats just don't fit it at all.  To commercial/poppy/positive/happy sounding for westside connection.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: West Coast Veteran on November 17, 2003, 04:29:48 PM
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They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes.

Crazy Toones didn't produce anything on Bow Down.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 17, 2003, 04:40:14 PM
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Crazy Toones didn't produce anything on Bow Down.

so what?  He produces for WC and Ice Cube.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: West Coast Veteran on November 17, 2003, 04:58:08 PM
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Crazy Toones didn't produce anything on Bow Down.

so what?  He produces for WC and Ice Cube.

Well you were talking about Bow Down kid.

"This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down.  Bow Down is 100x better.  They used beats that do not fit their style for this album.  They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes."
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 17, 2003, 05:05:40 PM
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Well you were talking about Bow Down kid.

"This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down.  Bow Down is 100x better.  They used beats that do not fit their style for this album.  They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes."

OK DADDY.  Next time I will have a map with arrows, pictures, diagrams and what not.  I must be sure to specify everything, otherwise I may confuse some individuals with drooling problems.

here let me rephrase:

WSC should stick with budd'a and crazy tunes, cause at least we know WC and Ice Cube sound good over their production.

Is that clear enough for you?  Or do you need some pictures to go along with it?
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: West Coast Veteran on November 17, 2003, 05:13:07 PM
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Well you were talking about Bow Down kid.

"This album doesn't come even close to Bow Down.  Bow Down is 100x better.  They used beats that do not fit their style for this album.  They should have stuck with Budd'a and DJ Crazy Tunes."

OK DADDY.  Next time I will have a map with arrows, pictures, diagrams and what not.  I must be sure to specify everything, otherwise I may confuse some individuals with drooling problems.

here let me rephrase:

WSC should stick with budd'a and crazy tunes, cause at least we know WC and Ice Cube sound good over their production.

Is that clear enough for you?  Or do you need some pictures to go along with it?

Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 17, 2003, 05:18:52 PM
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Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?

No, I am busy punching myself in the head due to the idiocy of other people.  Maybe if I hit myself hard enuff, enuff times, I will be on the same level as people such as yourself. (unless you start punching yourself in the head too, only because you're trying to smash a bug, which is really just a bit zit)
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: West Coast Veteran on November 17, 2003, 05:20:53 PM
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Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?

No, I am busy punching myself in the head due to the idiocy of other people.  Maybe if I hit myself hard enuff, enuff times, I will be on the same level as people such as yourself. (unless you start punching yourself in the head too, only because you're trying to smash a bug, which is really just a bit zit)

Cool. What did you just say? Write another paragraph.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 17, 2003, 05:33:03 PM
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Cool. What did you just say? Write another paragraph.

SHERM STICK/
WE GON' SMOKE A DIP/
ALL OF IT, NOT A LITTLE BIT/
WE GON' SMOKE A DIP/
SHERM STICK
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: smerlus on November 17, 2003, 05:43:24 PM
bow down was pretty much needed at the time.....some of these songs are needed but i feel they were just trying to be contriversial....


Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: R-Tistic on November 17, 2003, 06:16:50 PM
Word up C2Knuckles...it's no reason to compare em. As I said in the other thread, expectin this album to be as good, is like puttin together the 96 Bulls and expectin them to win the 2004 NBA title, which is damn near impossible.

I don't expect this album to be close to that, but I expect it to be much different.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Code Blue on November 17, 2003, 06:38:16 PM
I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but I have heard is real good. "Gangsta Nations", "Get Ignit", "Lights Out", "Call 911", and "Terrorist Threats" are all bangers. Are they on Bow Down's level? Hell nah. But has anything Snoop done compare to Doggystyle? Anything Linch done compare to SOS? Anything Ras done compare to Soul On Ice? Just cuz it ain't as great as Bow Down is doesn't mean it's not good. I can't wait to cop this December 9th.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Mikey_Yayo on November 17, 2003, 09:59:16 PM
you cant honestly compare this to bow down. From what ive heard on it, obviously it is some bomb shit, but i mean bow down was revolutionary. so how can you honestly compare the two?
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on November 17, 2003, 10:13:19 PM
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Still not clear. What are you trying to say? Can you write another paragraph explaining this?

No, I am busy punching myself in the head due to the idiocy of other people.  Maybe if I hit myself hard enuff, enuff times, I will be on the same level as people such as yourself. (unless you start punching yourself in the head too, only because you're trying to smash a bug, which is really just a bit zit)



LMFAO!
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: kottonmouthninja on November 17, 2003, 10:18:14 PM
WTF wait till the fucking album drops where did ya'll hear the whole album so i can hear it too? im punching myself in the head too because of the people already judging it before it drops!
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: michael jackson on November 18, 2003, 02:43:46 AM
bow down!!! classssicc
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: N-Sane Brain on November 18, 2003, 04:14:17 AM
Like some other dudes said before, you can't compare the new album with "Bow Down". "Bow Down" was released in '96, back in the days rap-music was on a way other level than it is today. If you expected "Terrorist Threats" to be like their debut, you don't understand the way that music goes. Even if everybody wanted a classic like "Bow Down" was, nobody could really expect a album that is structured on the same way as it was. No rapper ever released an album after 2000 that could actually be compared with his releases from '92-'96, because music changes and you'll have to understand that.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: mauzip on November 18, 2003, 05:12:28 AM
I can't judge about this. I've heard TT only twice ::)
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: PLANT on November 18, 2003, 05:46:38 AM
bow down was pretty much needed at the time.....some of these songs are needed but i feel they were just trying to be contriversial....



Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 18, 2003, 10:58:38 AM
So, from what I'm reading, you cannot compare Terrorist Threats to Bow Down  ::) or expect it to be on the same level ::)
 
let me think here....who made Bow Down.......

Oh yeah...The Westside Connection

and who made Terrorist Threats?  Oh Shit!  its the Westside connection too!

Now Explain to my why I can't compare these two, or expect terrorist threats to be as good?

did they add or drop a member of the group?
do they not make gangsta rap anymore?  Is it now a RNB group?
Did all three members become born again christians?  and change their lyrics?

NO NO NO!  Its the same exact rappers!  What is different about them?  Is their some unwritten law in the music industry that says its impossible to make an album as good as your first or best album?

WTF am supposed to compare this album too?  If I compare it to anything thats dropped within the last year than yeah, this album is a near classic.  but that isn't saying anything because most music that drops nowadays is garbage.  I don't expect it to be the same as bow down, but its not even on the same page.  It's not even close to as good as bow down.  And yes, I was expecting an undeniable classic, which I didn't get, therefor I am dissapointed.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: f0n|{sta on November 18, 2003, 11:42:37 AM
Bow Down is better imo. but the new one is pretty nice too
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Bomb-AŽ on November 18, 2003, 08:50:12 PM
man i knew some idiot was gonna go and make this thread.
u could have made this 6 months ago and the answer would be bow down
and guess what....it;s still bow down.



peace
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: yung-g on November 18, 2003, 09:09:25 PM
"Terrorist Threats" is tyte, but i gotta got wit "Bow Down", it was a str8 classic.

COMING IN JANUARY....
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Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: N-Sane Brain on November 19, 2003, 04:02:29 AM
Hector, you ain't gettin' it. Production is a very important part of a track and the production-style has changed in the last few years! Also nowadays it seems to be usual to have fucked up RnB hooks on the majority of the tracks. And after listenin' to pre-released tracks like "Lights Out" and "Gangsta Nation" it was obvious that the musical factors of the album won't be comparable to the one of "Bow Down". Nobody said that the rappers changed their flow, lyrics, or whatever... But just listen to the track "Terrorist Threats", it sounds like a Neptunes production, so the music has changed because the influences changed too, you can't deny that.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: mauzip on November 19, 2003, 07:00:09 AM
Hector, you ain't gettin' it. Production is a very important part of a track and the production-style has changed in the last few years! Also nowadays it seems to be usual to have fucked up RnB hooks on the majority of the tracks. And after listenin' to pre-released tracks like "Lights Out" and "Gangsta Nation" it was obvious that the musical factors of the album won't be comparable to the one of "Bow Down". Nobody said that the rappers changed their flow, lyrics, or whatever... But just listen to the track "Terrorist Threats", it sounds like a Neptunes production, so the music has changed because the influences changed too, you can't deny that.

I thought Terrorist Threats was one of the best songs of this album :-X
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: N-Sane Brain on November 19, 2003, 07:19:24 AM
^^ I didn't say that the track is whack, I only stated it sounds a lil' bit like a Neptunes beat. If you like this type of production, then you'll like the song ;) Because there's nothing to criticize on the raps.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Smoke on November 19, 2003, 07:41:22 AM
This choice is pretty obvious to me on this one.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 19, 2003, 11:45:07 AM
NO, shit, thanks for letting me know that music style has changed.  that doesn't mean I can't compare their albums.  Lets see, dogg food dropped in 95 and dillinger and young gotti dropped in 2001.  I still could compare those albums.  and I ask again, if I can't compare terrorist threats to bow down, then what the fuck do I compare it too?
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: R-Tistic on November 19, 2003, 06:12:46 PM
NO, shit, thanks for letting me know that music style has changed.  that doesn't mean I can't compare their albums.  Lets see, dogg food dropped in 95 and dillinger and young gotti dropped in 2001.  I still could compare those albums.  and I ask again, if I can't compare terrorist threats to bow down, then what the fuck do I compare it too?

Well..it's hard to explain than it should be. But for one, just listen to the lyrics from Cube and Mack 10. They are not the same as they were in 96. They are not a lot worst, but listenin to old cube and mack 10, and listenin to new shit, it's obvious they have gotten worst.
Second of all, Bow Down's focal point was lettin the country know the west coast was no joke, and that was when there was heavy tension between the east and west. Since then, the east and west have made peace and much progress, and it's not as much of a reason to call out east coast rappers, critics, etc. which is basically why they diss "R&B Rappers" because thas the only thing they can use right now.
3rd, gangsta rap may not be dead but it surely isn't what it was in 96. Everything has already been said. Most people outside of the west could care less about gangsta rap.
And u said u compare Dogg Food to DPG D&YG....I mean u CAN compare em but 9 9 and a half people will say that dogg food is a muuuuch better album.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 20, 2003, 01:22:26 AM
^^^^I'm not dissapointed with lyrics at all.  its the beats that suck.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: N-Sane Brain on November 20, 2003, 07:22:37 AM
I never said you shouldn't compare albums of an artist/a group to their former releases, that's only natural and usually I do it the same way, but I think in this case it's very difficult to compare the WSCG's two albums, because there are seven years between them and the music has not only changed, but changed drastically. Because nobody would release an album like "Bow Down" these days (unfortunately), and that's why you shouldn't compare them two. If "Terrorist Threats" would've been released only one or two years after "Bow Down", the comparison would've been more simple, but because nobody expects an album like "Bow Down" in 2003, they should judge it for it's own. I'm sorry, it's difficult to explain what I mean.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: The Predator on November 20, 2003, 08:21:35 AM
Threats fits nicely in to my collection, but it will never have the rotation that Bow Down had.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: hector on November 20, 2003, 10:52:30 AM
why would nobody drop an album like bow down nowadays?  cause rappers suck and sellout and it's not in their heart?  they are too pussy to claim westcoast so much?  cause no rapper or group is as good as WSC in 96?  Explain why nobody could drop an album like bow down nowadays?  I agree that 95% of rappers nowadays don't make good enough music as 7-10 years ago, but their are still a few rappers out there with the talent.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Killa-G on November 20, 2003, 11:04:39 AM
Terroist Threats is better!

sounds are new and fresh

but Bow Down is classic
ya know 8)
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: N-Sane Brain on November 20, 2003, 11:10:35 AM
It's just my experience that rappers don't drop such albums any more, except some real underground-cats (that doesn't mean that the WSCG is sell-out). It's not only that the commercial-music has changed, but the Westcoast-music changed too, although it still isn't sell-out. So I expected a dope Westcoast-album, but with the Westcoast-flavour of "today" - and that's what happened.

It doesn't make sense to discuss this issue anymore, because I'll just say "music changed" again and again. Surely they could've dropped an oldschool-album which nobody expected (like Andre did with "The Love Below"), but I never thought of that, I was sure that the album will sound different. It seems that I was the only one who thought that way. So fuck it...
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Pink Floyd on November 20, 2003, 06:15:13 PM
NO, shit, thanks for letting me know that music style has changed.  that doesn't mean I can't compare their albums.  Lets see, dogg food dropped in 95 and dillinger and young gotti dropped in 2001.  I still could compare those albums.  and I ask again, if I can't compare terrorist threats to bow down, then what the fuck do I compare it too?

Well..it's hard to explain than it should be. But for one, just listen to the lyrics from Cube and Mack 10. They are not the same as they were in 96. They are not a lot worst, but listenin to old cube and mack 10, and listenin to new shit, it's obvious they have gotten worst.
Second of all, Bow Down's focal point was lettin the country know the west coast was no joke, and that was when there was heavy tension between the east and west. Since then, the east and west have made peace and much progress, and it's not as much of a reason to call out east coast rappers, critics, etc. which is basically why they diss "R&B Rappers" because thas the only thing they can use right now.
3rd, gangsta rap may not be dead but it surely isn't what it was in 96. Everything has already been said. Most people outside of the west could care less about gangsta rap.
And u said u compare Dogg Food to DPG D&YG....I mean u CAN compare em but 9 9 and a half people will say that dogg food is a muuuuch better album.


It's worse, not worst.


Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: OpTiCaL on November 21, 2003, 04:10:20 AM
Terroist Threats is better!

sounds are new and fresh

but Bow Down is classic
ya know 8)


True true...i love this album...but im in love with the first  ;)

lol
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Juronimo on November 21, 2003, 02:07:27 PM
No comparison IMO.
Bow Down, all 3 of them were coming hard. There are several bangers on the first, such as Bow Down, How Many Critics in the NYC, King of the Hill, the Gansta, the Killa, the Dope Dealer, and others. Terrorist Threats, has no bangers, just 3 good songs (Lights Out, Gangsta Nation, Rappers in Love) and the rest of the album is ass crack. The production goes from inconsistent to poor. Ice Cube and Mack 10 sound terrible. WC still sounds tight but that's it. There is absolutely no comparison. Also it saddens me to see how far Ice Cube has fallen off. It's like he doesn't even stand for anything anymore as a rapper and I find that depressing.

"Bow Down".... 4.5 mics
"Terrorist Threats".... 2 mics
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: SGV on November 21, 2003, 02:18:16 PM
I don't even need to hear Terrorist Threats to know.

Bow Down is better.

Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: CHIEFHIGHPRIEST on November 21, 2003, 03:39:28 PM
bow down no question that album was heat top to bottom.  this one has songs that are just plain wack it is very hit and miss where bow down just flowed together so nicely i remember when that came out i was a freshman in high school i bumped that shit through winter
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: gator313 on November 29, 2003, 05:51:38 AM
NO  DOUBT   BOW DOWN  WAS  A CLASSIC,  BUT  THE  TERRORIST THREATS WILL PROBABLY  HAVE  TO  GROW ON  SOME PEOPLE.   SOME PEOPLE WILL HAVE  TO  GET  USED TO  THE FACT  THAT  TERRORIST  THREATS  IS  NOT A CLASSIC YET BECAUSE IT IS  NOT  OFFICIALLY  RELEASED  YET  PLUS  IT WOULD HAVE TO  BE  OUT  FOR  SOME  YEARS  BEFORE  IT EARNS THE  TITLE  "CLASSIC"

BUT  THIS ALBUM  IS A  TRUE  BANGER FOR THE  TRUE GANGSTA RAP FANS

"You can even tell that muthafuckin Jesse Jackson/ Pay your child support/ Keep your payments up/ Put a rubber on/ And dont fuck with us."


WESTSIDE  CONNECTION - LIGHTZ OUT
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: dexter on November 29, 2003, 08:57:15 AM
Terrorist Threats is more up to date.
Title: Re:Terroist Threats Vs. Bow Down, which one is better in your opinion?
Post by: Darksider on November 30, 2003, 07:13:59 AM
Terrorist Threats is more up to date.