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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: da_notorious_mack on November 19, 2003, 01:28:41 PM
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how similar are jiggas an nas's careers?...both came out with an amazin debut album....both made aload of albums...made cash...then got all blingy before comin back to less commercial shit nas(stillmatic)....an jay(black album).....both claim to be king of newyork....
also am i also the only person that is a little skeptical about this being jays last album?
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One is decent, and one is a legend...No comparison whatsoever.
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i think it'll be jay's last album as he said, there's not enough money in being the artist making the album, he'd rather be an exec which is on point
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i think it'll be jay's last album as he said, there's not enough money in being the artist making the album, he'd rather be an exec which is on point
True. But I think once hes outta the game for awhile he's gonna make a comeback to show us all hes still one of the greats.
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Rappers don't retire and Jay-Z is certainly no exception.
Jay-Z has had commercial material from his first album ("Ain't No Nigga") to his last ("Change Clothes And Go").
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Rappers don't retire and Jay-Z is certainly no exception.
Jay-Z has had commercial material from his first album ("Ain't No Nigga") to his last ("Change Clothes And Go").
thats what i was gonna say...every album has had atleast 1 commercial track...except vol. 1...the most commercial song was "The City Is Mine" and even that wasnt really that commercial, either way i think jay went out with a bang...but i agree i dont think its his last.
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thats what i was gonna say...every album has had atleast 1 commercial track...except vol. 1...the most commercial song was "The City Is Mine" and even that wasnt really that commercial,
It's is pretty commercial but if you don't think so then "(Always Be My) Sunshine" certainly is.
He's got atleast a couple each album.
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thats what i was gonna say...every album has had atleast 1 commercial track...except vol. 1...the most commercial song was "The City Is Mine" and even that wasnt really that commercial,
It's is pretty commercial but if you don't think so then "(Always Be My) Sunshine" certainly is.
He's got atleast a couple each album.
thats true...i forgot about that track...but i still think that was his best album...even the commercial tracks dont get annoying.
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Nah man I'd take Reasonable Doubt over Vol 1 anyday.
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Nah man I'd take Reasonable Doubt over Vol 1 anyday.
most people would...i prefer vol. 1...i know theres like 3 other people on this board that like that one the best too...it just was more of a solid album imo...reasonable doubt was definetely dope as fuck though. D'evils was some tight shit...and 22 Two's
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Reasonable Doubt is overrated. I'd take The Blueprint over it, but I'm not sure about The Black Album yet.
I'm pretty sure those will go down as his best three.
The Blueprint = 9/10
Reasonable Doubt = 8.5/10
The Black Album = 8/10 - 9/10 (no final rating yet)
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i think that will be the majority's version of his top 3...my favorite would be:
1) In My Lifetime Vol. 1
2) The Black Album
3) The Blue Print tied with Reasonable Doubt
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Hey C2 Knuckels, maybe u better listen to jays second album again dogg!
You dont recall a certain song called Sunshine with Foxy and Babyface, or I kmow what girls like with Diddy and Lil Kim? Guess not
But ya, i can finally admit jay is as good as NAs, both have had great careers and both are still dropping dope shit. However, Jay has always dropped commercial shit, INCLUDING HIS FIRST ALBUM (aint no nigga, hello!) while Nas did an entire album without commercial music (Illmatic)
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Hey C2 Knuckels, maybe u better listen to jays second album again dogg!
You dont recall a certain song called Sunshine with Foxy and Babyface, or I kmow what girls like with Diddy and Lil Kim? Guess not
But ya, i can finally admit jay is as good as NAs, both have had great careers and both are still dropping dope shit. However, Jay has always dropped commercial shit, INCLUDING HIS FIRST ALBUM (aint no nigga, hello!) while Nas did an entire album without commercial music (Illmatic)
yeah but thats the only album other than The Lost Tapes that nas ever put out without a commercial single
It was written - If I Ruled The World
I Am... - Hate Me Now, Nas Is Like
Nastradamus - Nastradamus, You Owe Me
Stillmatic - Got Urself A Gun
God's Son - Thugz Mansion Acoustic, Made You Look Remix
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i know what you guys are saying as far as commercialism is concerned but if youre putting an album out for money, that is commerical. If your putting an album out for the love for free that isnt commercial. a better word would be mainstream or radio friendly.
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Hey C2 Knuckels, maybe u better listen to jays second album again dogg!
You dont recall a certain song called Sunshine with Foxy and Babyface, or I kmow what girls like with Diddy and Lil Kim? Guess not
But ya, i can finally admit jay is as good as NAs, both have had great careers and both are still dropping dope shit. However, Jay has always dropped commercial shit, INCLUDING HIS FIRST ALBUM (aint no nigga, hello!) while Nas did an entire album without commercial music (Illmatic)
yeah but thats the only album other than The Lost Tapes that nas ever put out without a commercial single
It was written - If I Ruled The World
I Am... - Hate Me Now, Nas Is Like
Nastradamus - Nastradamus, You Owe Me
Stillmatic - Got Urself A Gun
God's Son - Thugz Mansion Acoustic, Made You Look Remix
How is Nas Is Like commercial? I wouldn't consider Got Urself A Gun commercial either.
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Jay Z Most Overrated Rapper EVER
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Hey C2 Knuckels, maybe u better listen to jays second album again dogg!
You dont recall a certain song called Sunshine with Foxy and Babyface, or I kmow what girls like with Diddy and Lil Kim? Guess not
But ya, i can finally admit jay is as good as NAs, both have had great careers and both are still dropping dope shit. However, Jay has always dropped commercial shit, INCLUDING HIS FIRST ALBUM (aint no nigga, hello!) while Nas did an entire album without commercial music (Illmatic)
yeah but thats the only album other than The Lost Tapes that nas ever put out without a commercial single
It was written - If I Ruled The World
I Am... - Hate Me Now, Nas Is Like
Nastradamus - Nastradamus, You Owe Me
Stillmatic - Got Urself A Gun
God's Son - Thugz Mansion Acoustic, Made You Look Remix
How is Nas Is Like commercial? I wouldn't consider Got Urself A Gun commercial either.
True... i feel that jigga although similar in ways is much more commercial than Nas...
...but then again who cares...he is rich ! and thats definatly why he got in the game...so even if he is a "sell-out" ...he is a rich sell-out that seems happy. Just cos he isnt my favourite rapper of all time doesnt mean id hate on him for doing well.
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Hey C2 Knuckels, maybe u better listen to jays second album again dogg!
You dont recall a certain song called Sunshine with Foxy and Babyface, or I kmow what girls like with Diddy and Lil Kim? Guess not
But ya, i can finally admit jay is as good as NAs, both have had great careers and both are still dropping dope shit. However, Jay has always dropped commercial shit, INCLUDING HIS FIRST ALBUM (aint no nigga, hello!) while Nas did an entire album without commercial music (Illmatic)
yeah but thats the only album other than The Lost Tapes that nas ever put out without a commercial single
It was written - If I Ruled The World
I Am... - Hate Me Now, Nas Is Like
Nastradamus - Nastradamus, You Owe Me
Stillmatic - Got Urself A Gun
God's Son - Thugz Mansion Acoustic, Made You Look Remix
How is Nas Is Like commercial? I wouldn't consider Got Urself A Gun commercial either.
i dont know about where you were at but that was all over the airwaves here. something doesnt have to have an R&B hook to be commercial...nas knew it would be a hit so he put it out and im glad he did...thats one of my fav. songs.
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Yeah but Nas Is Like was succesful because it was an amazing song, but because it had been created in order to appeal to the radio. I mean Ante Up by MOP was a massive track, but it wasn't commercial, it was a song about robbing people for god sake. There is a difference between a dope tracks that gets love and a commercial track.
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Hey C2 Knuckels, maybe u better listen to jays second album again dogg!
You dont recall a certain song called Sunshine with Foxy and Babyface, or I kmow what girls like with Diddy and Lil Kim? Guess not
I'm not sure if you misread my post or put the wrong name or something...
Jay-Z has had commercial material from his first album ("Ain't No Nigga") to his last ("Change Clothes And Go").
It's is pretty commercial but if you don't think so then "(Always Be My) Sunshine" certainly is.
He's got atleast a couple each album.
I wouldn't call "Nas Is Like" or "Made You Look (Remix)" commercial at all, and "Hate Me Now", "Thugz Mansion (Acoustic)" & "Got Urself..." aren't in my eye but are in a grey area...maybe.
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Jay Z Most Overrated Rapper EVER
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His Only 2 Singles From Blueprint 2 Were Commercial
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His Only 2 Singles From Blueprint 2 Were Commercial
That's kinda the point about releasing singles.. they're supposed to sell the album.
You don't put out a filler track as single..
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I wouldn't call "Nas Is Like" or "Made You Look (Remix)" commercial at all, and "Hate Me Now", "Thugz Mansion (Acoustic)" & "Got Urself..." aren't in my eye but are in a grey area...maybe.
nas is like, as waitin for the dj said, was made for the radio...thats why it is commercial...as i said earlier it doesnt need an R&B hook to be commercial. made you look wasnt commercial but the remix was...they made a remix strictly for sales...thats why they put out a video for the remix. hate me now was commercial because that was right at the time where puff daddy was getting to be really really big and they also knew the video would stir up some controversy. thugz mansion is in the grey area i would say...and yeah so is got urself a gun...i could put those in the grey area
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Yeah but Nas Is Like was succesful because it was an amazing song, not because it had been created in order to appeal to the radio. I mean Ante Up by MOP was a massive track, but it wasn't commercial, it was a song about robbing people for god sake. There is a difference between a dope tracks that gets love and a commercial track.
Thats what I meant to say. Nas Is Like wasn't created for the radio it was created to be a dope track, so I'm still actually disagreeing with you.
And Jome, there is a difference between the best songs on the album, and what is released as singles. I mean, I don't think anyone would say that Izzo was one of the best two or three tracks on The Blueprint, yet that was released as a single.
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And Jome, there is a difference between the best songs on the album, and what is released as singles. I mean, I don't think anyone would say that Izzo was one of the best two or three tracks on The Blueprint, yet that was released as a single.
lol actually i think thats the only song that brought that album down...i didnt know a song (other than ms. jackson) could get that annoying...the rest of the album was classic material
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nas is like, as waitin for the dj said, was made for the radio...thats why it is commercial...as i said earlier it doesnt need an R&B hook to be commercial. made you look wasnt commercial but the remix was...they made a remix strictly for sales...thats why they put out a video for the remix. hate me now was commercial because that was right at the time where puff daddy was getting to be really really big and they also knew the video would stir up some controversy. thugz mansion is in the grey area i would say...and yeah so is got urself a gun...i could put those in the grey area
I don't think that songs made for the radio are necessarily commercial and "Nas Is Like" I don't believe was made for the radio. They just made the song, it turned out great and they decided to make it the first single.
I think that labeling a song "commercial" doesn't have to do with how the song was made or the intention for the song. It's the actual song that will give it that label.
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I don't think that songs made for the radio are necessarily commercial and "Nas Is Like" I don't believe was made for the radio. They just made the song, it turned out great and they decided to make it the first single.
lol what do you think commercial is? to be commercial soemthing doesnt have to sound like pharell got his hands on another track. if something is made for the radio its made to promote the album = commercial
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Only thing i see wrong with the comparison is JayZ made a LOT MORE MONEY than Nas