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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: SGV on December 05, 2003, 08:57:20 AM
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Sorry people, but The Black Album WAS NOT all that.
3. What More Can I Say
6. Dirt Off Your Shoulder
7. Threat
9. 99 Problems
11. Justify My Thug
12. Lucifer
Those were the only tracks I felt. Album of the year? LMAO. Na.
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I thought Encore and My 1st Song were banging.
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Album of the year? LMAO. Na.
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6. Dirt Off Your Shoulder
11. Justify My Thug
apart from Public Service Announcement, these are the only tracks i really like.
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the album was dope but nothing mind blowing,
99 Problems
My 1st Song
Threat
were the only tracks that made me go :o the albums solid but not contender for album of the year that has to go to
Immortal Technique or Brother Ali.
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I liked the album from my first listen, and it's growin' on me more and more 8) But anyway I would never call it the best release this year. It's in my Top10, but Jigga can't fuck with Canibus, Son Doobie, Jedi Mind Tricks, etc. :P
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8-8.5/ 10, nothing higher, it gets played out too easily
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Compared to Blueprint where every song had the soul-sampling, this cd has much more replay value. Its just my opinion, but to me this is Jays finest cd, or at least the one which i enjoy the most. Wasnt even a Jay z fan anymore until this dropped, glad he put some effort in the lyrics and dropped an incredible disc.......peace
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i made a thread similar to this about a week and a half ago, peace.
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Compared to Blueprint where every song had the soul-sampling, this cd has much more replay value. Its just my opinion, but to me this is Jays finest cd, or at least the one which i enjoy the most. Wasnt even a Jay z fan anymore until this dropped, glad he put some effort in the lyrics and dropped an incredible disc.......peace
i disagree...i like jay and his new cd...but to me its theopposite....too much funk and too much this opera style...some straight hiphop tracks by dj premier would made tthis cd way better
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The Black Album is hot IMO and is the most consistant album in a long time. The subject changes for every song and the way he structured it is dope. Plus the flow and lyrics are on point all the way through.
AND NO FEATUES
Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
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great album an jus cuz of this thread imma listen to it now
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I'm feelin the album. This album is more mature than the usual Jay-Z album. "99 Problems" is a dope song.
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The Black Album is hot IMO and is the most consistant album in a long time. The subject changes for every song and the way he structured it is dope. Plus the flow and lyrics are on point all the way through.
AND NO FEATUES
Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
may be the only thing I have ever agreed w/ you on music wise
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Black album = 2.5/5
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Good point
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off topic, but pretty sick map of NY , tom gotti. i was thinkin of going there sometime within 2004. never been ther before, and it looks sick as fuck.
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Good point
yup
I like every song actually except "Change Clothes"...it's pretty dope, no filler material, dope productions and a great way to end a career IMO. Maybe not the album of the year, but one of the best prolly
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Good point
yup
I like every song actually except "Change Clothes"...it's pretty dope, no filler material, dope productions and a great way to end a career IMO. Maybe not the album of the year, but one of the best prolly
I agree with you there.. imo this album was very good, but like you said, prolly not album of the year.
4.25 or 4.5/ 5 is my rating
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Black album = 2.5/5
This album is overrated just like everything Jay-Z has done his whole career. Even the DJ Quik produced track sucked, and I like 99% of the material that Quik has put out.
This album is weak but then again I'm not surprised.
2/5
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only good songz were...
* What More Kan I Say
* Moment of Klarity
* Justify My Thug
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I first heard it, and it sucked to me, but as I listen, it's growing on m. Reminds me of Nas's God's Son album, as it doesn't seem like a classic from an outsiders stand point, but from the artist, you can tell they are saying everything they've always wanted too.
from Moment of Clarity
"If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be
lyrically, Talib Kweli
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But I did five mill' - I ain't been rhymin like Common since"...
"Since I know what I'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant
And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them
So I got rich and gave back, to me that's the win/win"
What More Can I Say
"Add that to the fact I went plat' a bunch of times
Times that by my influence on pop culture
I'm supposed to be number one on everybody list
We'll see what happens when I no longer exist
Fuck this!"
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off topic, but pretty sick map of NY , tom gotti. i was thinkin of going there sometime within 2004. never been ther before, and it looks sick as fuck.
i had to take the map out cuz jome had to cry about it. but that was just a map of queens new york
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5/5
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Jay-Z is garbage IMO...is this thread necessary ;D everything his puts out is trash from H to the Izzo to Hard Knock Life to Change Clothes.
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Bizzy Bone
Canibus
8)
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Bizzy Bone
Canibus
8)
but name 1 comercially really successful rapper who does
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I'm SOOOOOOOOOO close to calling this album a classic. It's banger after banger. I still need some more listens, but Jigga man is coming close to 2PAc, Ice Cube, and Tribe Called Quest in having three albums that could be argued to be classics.
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Bizzy Bone
Canibus
8)
but name 1 comercially really successful rapper who does
Nas (i don't remember him having any guests on Stilmatic.
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I'm SOOOOOOOOOO close to calling this album a classic. It's banger after banger. I still need some more listens, but Jigga man is coming close to 2PAc, Ice Cube, and Tribe Called Quest in having three albums that could be argued to be classics.
IMO Jay has no classics but RD is close.
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Bizzy Bone
Canibus
8)
but name 1 comercially really successful rapper who does
Nas (i don't remember him having any guests on Stilmatic.
He had AZ on the album. HE also had the Bravehearts before they removed their song from the album. HE had someoen else too. I don't remember his name.
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i got the version without the braveheart track on it
that song was wak
:o
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IMO Jay has no classics but RD is close.
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Nas (i don't remember him having any guests on Stilmatic.
AZ, The Bravehearts, Millenium Thug & Blitz were on Stillmatic but Nas was completely solo on The Lost Tapes.
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and he only had one featured artist on Illmatic.
Anyways, I think The Black Album seemed more like Jay-Z than any other CD he has put out since Reasonable Doubt.
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As good as it was that Jay held down an album all by himself, that don't make it any hotter. He had a lot of big name producers, but that still didn't make it great. I think he worried more about flow on this, sometimes he sounded like he was just talking non-sense. I appreciated the tracks he opened up on, though. I think it was a good product, just not as great as everyone said. Probably if this wasn't his "last" album, it would've been another Jay album, but it's caught in the hype.
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first listen i thought it was average, could have been hotter, but now, i couldnt be feelin it more, hes got some fuckin hot lyrics in that album, just listen to it, and his flow cant get better on some of the songs, there are quite a few just straight up flawless verses on this album and you dont get much of that. i think with some time this can be considered a classic.
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Nas (i don't remember him having any guests on Stilmatic.
AZ, The Bravehearts, Millenium Thug & Blitz were on Stillmatic but Nas was completely solo on The Lost Tapes.
Yeah plus Amerie and Mary J. Blige on the version I got. And you can't really count The Lost tapes cause that's more of a compilation of songs from the recording sessions of I Am & Stillmatic than an actual album.
So name one
As good as it was that Jay held down an album all by himself, that don't make it any hotter.
Naw, if u don't like it u don't like it. But IMO guests would've prolly made it less hot than it is
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Probably if this wasn't his "last" album, it would've been another Jay album, but it's caught in the hype.
Bottom line.
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Kanye West bout' to pick-up where Jigga left off..
Defo the hottest shitt outta the ROC.
Bumped "Jay's" Black album once...
then put it away & haven't heard it again.
defo a second listen worthy album...
but don't know how much after that.
Standout track "December 4th"
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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Yeah plus Amerie and Mary J. Blige on the version I got. And you can't really count The Lost tapes cause that's more of a compilation of songs from the recording sessions of I Am & Stillmatic than an actual album.
So name one
I don't count people doing choruses. Canibus had Rakim's voice on a chorus, Jay had some chick sing a chorus, Rakim had singers do choruses on his two solo albums that he was the only one rapping.
I don't see how you can't count The Lost Tapes just because the songs weren't all recorded with the intention for that album or in the same time period. It's a CD of all unreleased material like any other normal album that comes out, that's how I see it.
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to me the lost tapes are just more of a compilation. nas did not record a solo album intending to record a solo album and had no guests on it. but if u wanna count it aight, no need to dispute. doin a whole album alone is still rare in more commercial hiphop cause guests help you sell your album.
and i still think it was a good idea by jay to do that shit with no guest stars. if you dont like the result thats sumthin else...of course the fact he did it alone don't improve the songs
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Yeah plus Amerie and Mary J. Blige on the version I got. And you can't really count The Lost tapes cause that's more of a compilation of songs from the recording sessions of I Am & Stillmatic than an actual album.
So name one
If you're gonna use people on hooks as features then Jay didn't hold down the album on his own. Hooks on "Lucifer" and "Justify My Thug" weren't done by Jay. So, if you wanna nit-pick...
Naw, if u don't like it u don't like it. But IMO guests would've prolly made it less hot than it is
Depends on the features. Some features can really help an album out. I would've liked to hear some other emcees on this album.
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Jay Z just held an ENTIRE album down by himself.. Who does this nowadays?
Bizzy Bone
Canibus
8)
but name 1 comercially really successful rapper who does
Nas (i don't remember him having any guests on Stilmatic.
that's cause u got selective memory....
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The Black Album is a great album, u could say this is the 2003 version of RD, present's that very same hungry Jay-Z after a decade of sucsess coming full sircle, it sound's so natural and on point that u can't help but smile like an idiot all the way through(at least that's how I feel), If heads couldn't recognise Hova on questionable releases like VOL2 or (relatively to his earlier material) experemental yet tastefull albums like VOL3 can trully say this is RD shit right here, it's vivid.