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Title: Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: OGCYCO on December 06, 2003, 04:18:47 AM
I am interested in hearing what you're serious thoughts are on Crooked I? and what direction he must take. I see Suge saying "The best in the west", yet he puts out a mixtape that never leaves an Mp3/Internet status. Mixtapes/bootlegs from artists with Street credits are all over the streets.

To me, he needs to break away from Death Row aka Tha Row and connect with Loud Records, that way you may hear Crooked I with Xzibit, Terror Sqaud, Mobb Deep instead of the usual nonsence of unheard niggas with no credits.

If Suge put him out, he may create a small buzz and sell some units. But the truth is Death Row hasnt managed to put out a hit record in almost 10 years. They have attempted on numerous occasions with Crooked I Mixtapes, Soundtracks and the shit is nonsence that doesnt hit the streets. That label is far from reaching its once-powerhouse status with Dr Dre, Snoop, Tupac and the old Dogg Pound.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: italianguy on December 06, 2003, 05:01:35 AM
I think crook got skill and with suge he is in jail !!! he should be free to release an album....the problem is that death row signs artists and never drops albums....they should have so much unreleased material...
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: michael jackson on December 06, 2003, 05:21:09 AM
fucc all of em,crooked i wassted talent on tharow but aint sshit anyway,dissfunctional family soundtracc wass a flop and crooked i wass heading that project... sso tha ssame go for a crooked i album,aint nobody give a fucc about it jusst lyke nobody give a fucc about his mix tapessssss.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Diabolical on December 06, 2003, 09:00:34 AM
Loud Records went bust

AnywayCrook should hook up wit WSCG or Jayo Felony
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Bramsterdam (see ya) on December 06, 2003, 05:08:35 PM
or mc ren  8)
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: budsmokeronly on December 06, 2003, 07:06:24 PM
go back w/ da low lifes and lil c-style.  let LT Hutton produce for him.  And FUCK everybody else.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: An-Tony-O Montana on December 06, 2003, 07:49:59 PM
Loud Records lol... Loud was a hiphop powerhouse, they had the Wu, Mobb Deep, Big Pun & Terror Squad, Xzibit, and alot more artists... Loud was one of the hottest labels, i was shocked when they folded... I think Crooked I would fit in best wit IV Life Records...

~1~
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Darksider on December 06, 2003, 08:20:31 PM
I dont see other westcoast labels that make unknown rappers famous.
and why should he leave the row??? to go independent and release a mixtape???
I think he released one this year and will release another one next year.
anyways i hope Suge puts out the Kurupt record early next year  and the crooked i record not too long after that.
But you never know...too much money involved..he still has that Left Eye Record and his book with a compilation cd that he could relese before crooked i.....
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: R-Tistic on December 07, 2003, 01:29:41 AM
It's no way in hell he should still be with Tha Row. If they haven't released him yet, as long as he's been with em, he should leave. Plus, everything he's done with them has been worst than his previous shit. I donno who he should sign with, but ANYBODY but Tha Row, because they are through with.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: An-Tony-O Montana on December 07, 2003, 01:36:21 AM
It's no way in hell he should still be with Tha Row. If they haven't released him yet, as long as he's been with em, he should leave. Plus, everything he's done with them has been worst than his previous shit. I donno who he should sign with, but ANYBODY but Tha Row, because they are through with.

^IV LIFE RECORDS!!! IMAGINE TOO COOL AND CROOKED I COLLABIN'... Lots of rappers already expressed interest in workin' wit IV Life... i think it seems like the best place for Crooked I. No other labels are doin' it like IV Life. Death Row always been my favorite record label but it's gettin' ridiculis wit them. They haven't dropped a solo from a current artist since Michel'le... They always make it sound like they're back and there gonna drop all these hot albums but then they drop another pac album or shitty soundtrack... Seriously if Crooked I doesn't drop in 2004 then fuck tha row...

~1~
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: 7even on December 07, 2003, 03:50:32 AM
whatever he does he need to do it SOON, dude is gettin old
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Lil Suge Knight on December 07, 2003, 03:57:06 AM
IV Life baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: italianguy on December 07, 2003, 05:23:10 AM
death row is negative for tha game
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: MOB on December 07, 2003, 09:53:31 AM
lol
What did iv life drop this year?
Look how long they are taking to release a official album
so in no way he should sign with them
Just do some tracks with them,maybe having DJ Slip produce one or 2 tracks but not sign
I think death row is the best place:now they got good producers and he can hook up with a lot of westcoast artists:too short,esastwood,spider,YA,boo yaa tribe,Kurupt,sly...and having hooks by DB,kc and jojo...(and I read a while on dubcnn that he already recorded some tracks with jayo felony)
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: CRAFTY on December 07, 2003, 10:18:24 AM
lol
What did iv life drop this year?
Look how long they are taking to release a official album
so in no way he should sign with them
Just do some tracks with them,maybe having DJ Slip produce one or 2 tracks but not sign
I think death row is the best place:now they got good producers and he can hook up with a lot of westcoast artists:too short,esastwood,spider,YA,boo yaa tribe,Kurupt,sly...and having hooks by DB,kc and jojo...(and I read a while on dubcnn that he already recorded some tracks with jayo felony)

This year they've dropped 2 free mixtapes, which was quality music if you'd ask me. When they rap over "already existing" beats, they just don't leave it at that. They change the beat a little, the bass harder, etc...they put in work.

Yeah, they still haven't released Vol. 2 Tha New Breed. The reason is that they are still looking for the right distributor 'cause this will be their first big release and they want the best out of the deal.

Now, back to the subject...
Like many others, I think he should leave Tha Row and find himself a good label 'cause he certainly has the talent to become an established artist in the game.

And yeah, Nima posted a few months ago that Crooked I & Jayo hooked up for a couple of songs, but that was a while ago...thanks for bringing that up. I'll holla at Nima if he has more news about that collabo.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: OGCYCO on December 07, 2003, 12:44:52 PM
I would also rather see Crooked I roll with IV Life Records for the simple fact they know how to make westcoast music. He may not be a Main Streeta but hes from the Eastside. They would bring the best out of him. . . .

Death Row need to prove themselves before releasing an artist as talented as Crooked I. That label is going to ruin a rare talent. He's all Suge has and that is real talk.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: GangstaBoogy on December 07, 2003, 01:15:10 PM
fucc all of em,crooked i wassted talent on tharow but aint sshit anyway,dissfunctional family soundtracc wass a flop and crooked i wass heading that project... sso tha ssame go for a crooked i album,aint nobody give a fucc about it jusst lyke nobody give a fucc about his mix tapessssss.

itz that eazy ta B a jakk ass huh?

anyway, Crook should holla at Jimmy Iovine & get down wit Interskope.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Hatesrats™ on December 07, 2003, 05:20:43 PM

Stay on Tha Row & wait until it's his turn...
It's gonna be nothin' but heat..

I'll expect a debut double album.. ;)
with all the material Crook's got dun-up by now.



Hatesrats 2oooTre
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: SGV on December 07, 2003, 06:29:25 PM
Crook should bounce with King Tech, like Tech handle him. Tech got hot production and a good sense for marketing. Not to mention, he'd let Crook actually spit some emcee shit. That way, we'd actually hear Crooked with cats like Sly Boogy, Planet Asia, Chino XL, Ras Kass and other CREDIBLE emcees. That's the best bet, we'd get the best music.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: eNgIeS on December 07, 2003, 08:02:03 PM
Crooked I needs to leave Tha Row. Tha Row has a negative stigma that even IF the music is good, for #1, Suge will be a bigger star than you, #2 Negative atmosphere there people afraid of violence, #3 They're an outkast of the industry because of there negative hating ways, #4 everyone has thought of Death Row as a joke since Too Gangsta For Radio (maybe even before).

So yeah he needs to do that, then sign with someone with more profile or at least has some good production

He needs some hot beats for today that will hit, not some Independant small cheap sounding producer like Vinnie Vegas.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Diabolical on December 08, 2003, 01:05:11 PM
lol
What did iv life drop this year?
Look how long they are taking to release a official album
so in no way he should sign with them
Just do some tracks with them,maybe having DJ Slip produce one or 2 tracks but not sign
I think death row is the best place:now they got good producers and he can hook up with a lot of westcoast artists:too short,esastwood,spider,YA,boo yaa tribe,Kurupt,sly...and having hooks by DB,kc and jojo...(and I read a while on dubcnn that he already recorded some tracks with jayo felony)

This year they've dropped 2 free mixtapes, which was quality music if you'd ask me. When they rap over "already existing" beats, they just don't leave it at that. They change the beat a little, the bass harder, etc...they put in work.

Yeah, they still haven't released Vol. 2 Tha New Breed. The reason is that they are still looking for the right distributor 'cause this will be their first big release and they want the best out of the deal.

Thats What I Woulda Said 8)
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: M Dogg™ on December 08, 2003, 01:44:43 PM
Crooked I needs to hook back up with Tha Pound, Soopafly, Daz, Nate Dogg, all of them muthaphukkaz on his shit. If Soopafly produced like he did on Dat Whoopty Whoop, it could be a westcoast Hip-Hop banger fo' Shizzy. Fuck Death Row, shit, Trey Deee left Snoop and still ain't fuckin' with Tha Row, they ain't got shit on the game. Or Crooked could get with Baby Reed, which would be hot, Crooked, Jayo, Shade Sheist, work with L.A. Confidental. But fuck Death Row, they been promise to put out Crooked, and I ain't seen shit but two average singles.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: SGV on December 08, 2003, 01:48:26 PM
Crooked I needs to hook back up with Tha Pound, Soopafly, Daz, Nate Dogg, all of them muthaphukkaz on his shit. If Soopafly produced like he did on Dat Whoopty Whoop, it could be a westcoast Hip-Hop banger fo' Shizzy. Fuck Death Row, shit, Trey Deee left Snoop and still ain't fuckin' with Tha Row, they ain't got shit on the game. Or Crooked could get with Baby Reed, which would be hot, Crooked, Jayo, Shade Sheist, work with L.A. Confidental. But fuck Death Row, they been promise to put out Crooked, and I ain't seen shit but two average singles.
Why would he go with the Dogg Pound? They don't drop shit either. When DPG drops something, it's garbage. The last tight DPG product was Dillinger and Young Gotti. I think Icon needs to say fuck all these washed up gangsta acts and just make some straight up Hip Hop. He doesn't need to be busting over some lame ass played out G-Funk. He needs some hardcore Hip Hop beats. Something from King Tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil etc. Those are the style of beats that best fit him and his style.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: M Dogg™ on December 08, 2003, 01:59:12 PM
Well I was thinking if done right. Shit, it's better than this Death Row shit. He needs to blow up soon, and the only people that even come close to getting commercial is Tha Pound. Aftermath of course, but I doubt Dre would sign him, 'cause his too pussy to fuck with a Death Row artist. Hip-Hop from the west don't sell homie. Black Eye Peas had to get Justin Timberlake to sell, Dilated Peoples don't sell, J-5, Pharcyde, all of them, they don't sell. Westcoast hip-hop, as much as I love it, it will never sell. Crooked needs to pack up from Death Row and sell. Fuck what the haters think, the industry is either make good music, or make good money, you can't have both, and he needs to come to this decision.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: ryoga187 on December 08, 2003, 02:07:56 PM
Crook should bounce with King Tech, like Tech handle him. Tech got hot production and a good sense for marketing. Not to mention, he'd let Crook actually spit some emcee shit. That way, we'd actually hear Crooked with cats like Sly Boogy, Planet Asia, Chino XL, Ras Kass and other CREDIBLE emcees. That's the best bet, we'd get the best music.

i second that!

/me is listening to crooked i's verse on the anthem #7.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: budsmokeronly on December 08, 2003, 04:06:59 PM
Crooked I needs to hook back up with Tha Pound, Soopafly, Daz, Nate Dogg, all of them muthaphukkaz on his shit. If Soopafly produced like he did on Dat Whoopty Whoop, it could be a westcoast Hip-Hop banger fo' Shizzy. Fuck Death Row, shit, Trey Deee left Snoop and still ain't fuckin' with Tha Row, they ain't got shit on the game. Or Crooked could get with Baby Reed, which would be hot, Crooked, Jayo, Shade Sheist, work with L.A. Confidental. But fuck Death Row, they been promise to put out Crooked, and I ain't seen shit but two average singles.
Why would he go with the Dogg Pound? They don't drop shit either. When DPG drops something, it's garbage. The last tight DPG product was Dillinger and Young Gotti. I think Icon needs to say fuck all these washed up gangsta acts and just make some straight up Hip Hop. He doesn't need to be busting over some lame ass played out G-Funk. He needs some hardcore Hip Hop beats. Something from King Tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil etc. Those are the style of beats that best fit him and his style.

How the hell do you know that crook best fits the production of king tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil?

I am 99% sure I have heard every released crooked I song.  Can't think of any of those producers that he has rapped over other than a wake up show freestyle by king tech.  So basically there is not a shred of evidence that crook sounds good over their production.

then we have the 19th st crook over LT Hutton G-Funk beats.  Lame ass played out G-Funk?  Sorry but Crooked I came tighter back then over g-funk beats then he does now or ever will again.

IMO we have already heard the best we are ever going to hear.  I would bet money on it if Crooked I ever releases an album he is gonna sell out and its gonna be crap.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: SGV on December 08, 2003, 04:28:57 PM


How the hell do you know that crook best fits the production of king tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil?

I am 99% sure I have heard every released crooked I song.  Can't think of any of those producers that he has rapped over other than a wake up show freestyle by king tech.  So basically there is not a shred of evidence that crook sounds good over their production.

then we have the 19th st crook over LT Hutton G-Funk beats.  Lame ass played out G-Funk?  Sorry but Crooked I came tighter back then over g-funk beats then he does now or ever will again.

IMO we have already heard the best we are ever going to hear.  I would bet money on it if Crooked I ever releases an album he is gonna sell out and its gonna be crap.
His best tracks have came with Sway & Tech behind him. "Murderin MCs," "Underground Tactics," "Anthem 7," the "Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt, the "Anthem" with Sly Boogy, Locksmith, Balance and F.A.B. As far as I know, if it wasn't King Tech on all of them, DJ Revolution did at least one or two of them. "Underground Tactics" "The Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt and "Anthem 7" we darker beats, which made Crooked's voice and flow stand out. Since, I FEEL he sounds better over dark production as opposed to Parliment or Zapp sampled beats, he'd sound good with Muggs, Alchemist and Khalil. That's how I know he'd sound good over that. And, I really don't think the 19th St. Crook is anywhere near the caliber of the Wake Up Show Crooked. 19th St. Crooked I was all flow, Wake Up Show Crooked I had an even better flow and amazing lyrics.

Don't forget "You need to rap over some fatter samples/You're Roger Troutman'd out, setting a bad example"

He don't want know lame ass G-Funk no more. That bullshit is dead. It's not 1993 no more.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: budsmokeronly on December 08, 2003, 04:44:04 PM


How the hell do you know that crook best fits the production of king tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil?

I am 99% sure I have heard every released crooked I song.  Can't think of any of those producers that he has rapped over other than a wake up show freestyle by king tech.  So basically there is not a shred of evidence that crook sounds good over their production.

then we have the 19th st crook over LT Hutton G-Funk beats.  Lame ass played out G-Funk?  Sorry but Crooked I came tighter back then over g-funk beats then he does now or ever will again.

IMO we have already heard the best we are ever going to hear.  I would bet money on it if Crooked I ever releases an album he is gonna sell out and its gonna be crap.
His best tracks have came with Sway & Tech behind him. "Murderin MCs," "Underground Tactics," "Anthem 7," the "Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt, the "Anthem" with Sly Boogy, Locksmith, Balance and F.A.B. As far as I know, if it wasn't King Tech on all of them, DJ Revolution did at least one or two of them. "Underground Tactics" "The Anthem" with Mos Def & Kurupt and "Anthem 7" we darker beats, which made Crooked's voice and flow stand out. Since, I FEEL he sounds better over dark production as opposed to Parliment or Zapp sampled beats, he'd sound good with Muggs, Alchemist and Khalil. That's how I know he'd sound good over that. And, I really don't think the 19th St. Crook is anywhere near the caliber of the Wake Up Show Crooked. 19th St. Crooked I was all flow, Wake Up Show Crooked I had an even better flow and amazing lyrics.

Don't forget "You need to rap over some fatter samples/You're Roger Troutman'd out, setting a bad example"

He don't want know lame ass G-Funk no more. That bullshit is dead. It's not 1993 no more.

Yeah its 2003, year of the sellouts.  Production fucking sucks nowadays, it all sounds like gay ass shit, nothing is original.  Do you really consider production nowadays better than 1993 production?  IMO it is no where near ass good.  There is no way I will ever agree that Wake up Show crook is better than 19th st crook.  No one was fuckin with his flow back then.  But since then it usually ain't nothin special.

shit it don't matter anyway.  Crooked I is wasted talent.  He been rapping since like 97 but has no album out, and he is signed to Deathrow.  Ain't shit happening w/ Crooked I, he had his opportunities and never did anything with them.  And I don't blame it on Suge knight either.  Crook knew about suge before he signed.  He dug himself a huge hole and it just seems to get bigger.  Hopefully his lost work will surface someday though, cause I know he has some bangin ass shit recorded.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: SGV on December 08, 2003, 05:07:32 PM


Yeah its 2003, year of the sellouts.  Production fucking sucks nowadays, it all sounds like gay ass shit, nothing is original.  Do you really consider production nowadays better than 1993 production?  IMO it is no where near ass good.  There is no way I will ever agree that Wake up Show crook is better than 19th st crook.  No one was fuckin with his flow back then.  But since then it usually ain't nothin special.

shit it don't matter anyway.  Crooked I is wasted talent.  He been rapping since like 97 but has no album out, and he is signed to Deathrow.  Ain't shit happening w/ Crooked I, he had his opportunities and never did anything with them.  And I don't blame it on Suge knight either.  Crook knew about suge before he signed.  He dug himself a huge hole and it just seems to get bigger.  Hopefully his lost work will surface someday though, cause I know he has some bangin ass shit recorded.
It's a different era. The whole Soul Assassins sound is still hot. From Muggs to Alchemist to Jacken to Khalil. That's the production I like. Is it as hot as production of old? No. But, we gotta move on. I'm not living in the past, I'm in the present.

Icon was the total package on the Wake Up Show, IMO. He had it all. Now, he's wasting away. But, I blame it on Suge. Let's take a trip back to 97. Who was Crooked I signed by? Virgin, they had a chance to drop his LP, but of course they didn't. Who know's why. Then Daz signed him. Daz didn't do nothing with him. He claims to have a "Full LP" from Crooked I, so why didn't he drop it? He's the CEO, that's his responsibility. Icon did his duty, Daz fumbled that. After the Daz deal fizzled, he had nowhere to go. That's when Suge stepped in. Hell, he was running with Deathrow the whole time he was signed by Daz. Who do you think distributed the label at first? Deathrow. So, Icon just went to the parent company. I'm almost sure he has an LP done, it's all Suge. If an album doesn't come out, it's almost always the CEO's fault. An artist like Crooked I has always showed a good work ethic, Suge hasn't always been too reliable.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: budsmokeronly on December 08, 2003, 05:24:03 PM


Yeah its 2003, year of the sellouts.  Production fucking sucks nowadays, it all sounds like gay ass shit, nothing is original.  Do you really consider production nowadays better than 1993 production?  IMO it is no where near ass good.  There is no way I will ever agree that Wake up Show crook is better than 19th st crook.  No one was fuckin with his flow back then.  But since then it usually ain't nothin special.

shit it don't matter anyway.  Crooked I is wasted talent.  He been rapping since like 97 but has no album out, and he is signed to Deathrow.  Ain't shit happening w/ Crooked I, he had his opportunities and never did anything with them.  And I don't blame it on Suge knight either.  Crook knew about suge before he signed.  He dug himself a huge hole and it just seems to get bigger.  Hopefully his lost work will surface someday though, cause I know he has some bangin ass shit recorded.
It's a different era. The whole Soul Assassins sound is still hot. From Muggs to Alchemist to Jacken to Khalil. That's the production I like. Is it as hot as production of old? No. But, we gotta move on. I'm not living in the past, I'm in the present.

Icon was the total package on the Wake Up Show, IMO. He had it all. Now, he's wasting away. But, I blame it on Suge. Let's take a trip back to 97. Who was Crooked I signed by? Virgin, they had a chance to drop his LP, but of course they didn't. Who know's why. Then Daz signed him. Daz didn't do nothing with him. He claims to have a "Full LP" from Crooked I, so why didn't he drop it? He's the CEO, that's his responsibility. Icon did his duty, Daz fumbled that. After the Daz deal fizzled, he had nowhere to go. That's when Suge stepped in. Hell, he was running with Deathrow the whole time he was signed by Daz. Who do you think distributed the label at first? Deathrow. So, Icon just went to the parent company. I'm almost sure he has an LP done, it's all Suge. If an album doesn't come out, it's almost always the CEO's fault. An artist like Crooked I has always showed a good work ethic, Suge hasn't always been too reliable.

Daz bought the Material from Big C-Style, after crook was signed to the row for a few years.  that album is shit done before crook went to deathrow.  Daz was never in charge of Crook.  When daz was running his lil label off of death row, do you think Daz was really in charge?  Hell no, Suge is in charge of everything.  why do you think daz left and just had his own record label?  so he could be in charge.  If suge is involved, than he is in charge.  RAW was completed when daz was on deathrow, shit he made all the songs there.  but it never got released, probably cause suge didn't want it to, so daz left.  Everybody knows about suge knight.  You think Crook didn't know suge before he signed?  shit, he knew what the fuck he was gonna get involved in.  Crook could get off the label too, or get his album to drop through the courts.  shit, I bet he is scared of suge.  ya know suge would be pissed as a mutha fucka if crook did that, he gets pissed at everybody who leaves.  Sure crook probably has 4 lps worth of material, and the reason it ain't droppin is cause of suge.  but like I said, its not like crook was clueless when he signed, he knew very well who he was dealing with, thats why I say its his own fault.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: SGV on December 08, 2003, 05:53:43 PM
That's bull. Crooked I signed to Deathrow with big hopes. You know Suge told him everything he wanted to hear, of course he was gonna sign. I don't think it's anyone's fault if their album gets pushed back. That's like saying it's Knoc, Rakim, King Tee and Hittman's fault that their albums never came out. Knoc has so many songs ready, but Elektra is fucking up. Ra probably had some great material, but Dre held it back. Same with Hitt and King Tee. Matter of fact, we know Hitt and Tipsy had albums ready to drop, who's fault is that? Dre. What's Dre? The CEO. Same goes for Icon and Suge.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: budsmokeronly on December 08, 2003, 06:00:57 PM
of course crook had high hopes from signing to death row, but dude he signed after all kinds of drama and shit went down there, and suge was in prison at the time.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that problems may very well arise.  Just about everyone who was originally signed left, except for daz.  Pac just got killed, suge got locked up supposed to be for 9 years, and hella bad shit was surfacing from deathrow.  I sure hope crook didn't expect it to be a cakewalk.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: SGV on December 08, 2003, 06:05:07 PM
of course crook had high hopes from signing to death row, but dude he signed after all kinds of drama and shit went down there, and suge was in prison at the time.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that problems may very well arise.  Just about everyone who was originally signed left, except for daz.  Pac just got killed, suge got locked up supposed to be for 9 years, and hella bad shit was surfacing from deathrow.  I sure hope crook didn't expect it to be a cakewalk.
Simple as this. Money talks.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Kaidy on December 08, 2003, 06:40:40 PM
You know, I've been a Crook fan for the longest, since the first track I heard of him (Feels So Good). I've been kinda down on him lately, probably after his sub-standard work on the Dysfunktional Fam OST.

BUT I just gave his mixtape a proper listen for the first time, and even though its far from his best, he is still spittin some shit. If you ignore the garrrrrrbage beats and the weeeaak as fuck hooks and just listen to his verses, its clear he hasnt actually lost any steps.

I think the direction he should take is to combine the backpacker and the gangsta styles. Kinda like Xzibit tried to do with Restless but Crook will have better standing since he has more street credibility. If he really wants to unite and bring back the West thats what he'll have to do, and to be honest i think hes more than capable.

As for beats? I dont know, not G-Funk, not dull backpacker beats, something new. Along the lines of the Uh Oh beat, that suited him perfect.
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: eNgIeS on December 09, 2003, 06:17:49 AM
Crooked I needs to hook back up with Tha Pound, Soopafly, Daz, Nate Dogg, all of them muthaphukkaz on his shit. If Soopafly produced like he did on Dat Whoopty Whoop, it could be a westcoast Hip-Hop banger fo' Shizzy. Fuck Death Row, shit, Trey Deee left Snoop and still ain't fuckin' with Tha Row, they ain't got shit on the game. Or Crooked could get with Baby Reed, which would be hot, Crooked, Jayo, Shade Sheist, work with L.A. Confidental. But fuck Death Row, they been promise to put out Crooked, and I ain't seen shit but two average singles.
Why would he go with the Dogg Pound? They don't drop shit either. When DPG drops something, it's garbage. The last tight DPG product was Dillinger and Young Gotti. I think Icon needs to say fuck all these washed up gangsta acts and just make some straight up Hip Hop. He doesn't need to be busting over some lame ass played out G-Funk. He needs some hardcore Hip Hop beats. Something from King Tech, Muggs, Alchemist, DJ Khalil etc. Those are the style of beats that best fit him and his style.

U must not of heard Daz's album half the album was bangin, the rest were decent & a few sucked
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: eNgIeS on December 09, 2003, 06:27:22 AM
That's bull. Crooked I signed to Deathrow with big hopes. You know Suge told him everything he wanted to hear, of course he was gonna sign. I don't think it's anyone's fault if their album gets pushed back. That's like saying it's Knoc, Rakim, King Tee and Hittman's fault that their albums never came out. Knoc has so many songs ready, but Elektra is fucking up. Ra probably had some great material, but Dre held it back. Same with Hitt and King Tee. Matter of fact, we know Hitt and Tipsy had albums ready to drop, who's fault is that? Dre. What's Dre? The CEO. Same goes for Icon and Suge.

Believe it or not it was interescope that didnt wanna release Hitts or Rakims. King Tee's was all ready to come out but The Source & other hip hop mags shitted on it so he pulled it like last minute, shame coz i got most of the songs that were suposed to be on the album (the one king tee released missed a few songs) & to be honest the shits classic man i love The Chron, talk about the bomb say what coz Dr.Dre mixed with that shit that dont fail
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Don Seer on December 09, 2003, 06:37:25 AM
^ that released one is only missing "got it locked" which was the single , others have different names but are obviously the same.

i have the original aftermath 12" promo for king t's album with got it locked / squeeze yo balls / speak on it and thats drama
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: eNgIeS on December 10, 2003, 05:07:51 AM
^ that released one is only missing "got it locked" which was the single , others have different names but are obviously the same.

i have the original aftermath 12" promo for king t's album with got it locked / squeeze yo balls / speak on it and thats drama

Ohh ok, i just saw the differents names of the songs

Unfortunately I think you are wrong with Thats Drama, as that also was not on the version released last year. So Thats Drama & Got It Locked were missing (at least on the version i have)
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Don Seer on December 10, 2003, 05:19:35 AM
damn i didnt notice that one.. hmm...

we'll we've got nuff to make the "original" album now.. the tracklists for all are


Str8-Gone on the aftermath compilation

Selections from the forthcoming album Thy Kingdom Come:
1. Squeeze Yo Balls
2. Speak On It
3. Stay Down
4. That's Drama
(Aftermath Entertainment/ Interscope Records - 1998)

Thy Kingdom Come:
1. Speak On It
2. Got It Locked
3. Stay Down
4. Squeeze Yo Balls
5. Money w/ Dr. Dre
6. The Chron
7. Big Boyz w/ Too Short
8. Let's Make A "V" w/ DJ Quik & Kid Frost
9. It's Ruff
10. That's Drama
11. Real Raw
12. It's Where Ya From w/ MC Ren
13. Shake Da Spot w/ Shaquille O'Neal
(Aftermath Entertainment/ Interscope Records - 1998)

01  1:09   Intro ft Ice-T
02  3:29   Speak On It
03  4:12   Stay Down
04  3:57   Skweez Ya Ballz ft Baby S
05  4:13   Monay ft Dr. Dre
06  4:27   Da Kron
07  3:12   Big Boyz ft Too Short
08  4:51   Lets Make A V ft Dj Quik Frost El Debarge
09  5:26   Tha Game (Its Ruff) ft Playa Ham
10  4:01   Reel Raw ft Killa Ben
11  4:15   2 Gs From Compton ft Mc Ren
12  3:46   Shake Da Spot ft Shaquille Oneal
13  3:07   6nna Moenin ft Dawn Robinson
14  5:14   Step On By ft Dr. Dre R.C. Crystal
15  5:03   Big Ballin (Playin 2 Win) ft R.C.
16  3:16   Wheres T ft Dr. Dre
17  3:38   Nuthin Has Changed ft Kool G Rap Tray Dee
18  4:33   Whos Who (The Original)


'Got It locked' is missing still... but i got it
Title: Re:Thoughts on Crooked I and what direction he needs to take. . .
Post by: Kaidy on December 10, 2003, 06:06:40 AM
Way to get off topic guys  ;)