West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Seer on December 06, 2003, 10:09:48 AM
-
night of tv for me.. still getting my energy back after last night ;D
(12 quid.. all you can drink!.. dangerous!)
anyways... have heard a lot about this.. i'm pretty anti US gun law.. from the advertising looks like something good....
Bowling for Columbine (Documentary) Close this Window
Time: 21:00 to 23:25 (2 hours and 25 minutes long).
When: Saturday 6th December on Channel 4
Click to find all other showings of this programme
Michael Moore's Oscar-winning documentary film examining the American attitude towards guns and violence. Using the Columbine High School massacre as a starting point, Moore discusses America's relationship with firearms with such diverse figures as NRA chairman Charlton Heston, controversial musician Marilyn Manson and James Nichols, brother of Oklahoma City bombing accomplice Terry.
Director: Michael Moore
-
It's a fuckin great movie.
-
www.revoketheoscar.com
Michael Moore has been exposed here in the US for lying in the documentary and faking alot of the scenes. But that doesn't stop Europeans from eating it up, they love anything that is anti-American whether it is true or not.
-
its not about being anti-american.. i see 2 main messages
1) the media in america is responsible for whipping up and over-sensationalising things, casting blacks as criminals and generally making ya'll paranoid
2) the gun thing.. people in cities dont need guns for gods sake.. combine with whipped up media.. you got people paranoid about crime and their neighbors
-
and i have one idea..
the media should stop reporting all this stuff.. full stop
for one it stops the seed for the idea of guns for self defence being planted in people, plus it stops the racial criminal prejudice stuff being set..theres probably lots more reasons too
-
this is the same media that also tries to make up stuff on what michael moore put in the movie. there really wasn't much that i saw that was anti-american though. hell, he even has his nra card... lol. being anti-american isn't critizing america, being anti-american is not doing something to try to improve the nation.
-
I watched the movie and enjoyed it.
Don't usually like Michael Moore (annoying left wing cunt) but agreed with him on some issues in the film.
Fuck knows what he was trying to do likening "Soccer riots" to the Columbine disaster though.
He has some interesting ideas and politics, even though I don't agree with them.
-
I thought it was aight, the cartoon about the pilgrims in the middle of it was mad funny, however accurate the film is or not, he still has a valid point.
-
great movie,
-
I thought it was aight, the cartoon about the pilgrims in the middle of it was mad funny, however accurate the film is or not, he still has a valid point.
yeah it was real good
-
I thought it was aight, the cartoon about the pilgrims in the middle of it was mad funny, however accurate the film is or not, he still has a valid point.
yeah it was real good
-
MICHAEL MOORE IS A FRAUD - THE ULTIMATE LIST
(LAST UPDATED 11-28-03)
Complete Debunkings of BFC
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Dave Kopel, “National Review” magazine:
- http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp
Richard Bushnell, Reporter, Editorialist, and owner of "Richwatch.com":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com (provides scene-by-scene expose’)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In-Depth Debunkings
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ben Fritz, “Orange County Register”: (Requires Free-Membership)
- http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=20211§ion=COMMENTARY&
year=2003&month=1& (change "§" to "&-s-e-c-t", minus the dashes)
Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html
Anthony Zoubek, “The Daily Vidette:
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/406627.html
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/413482.html
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/417763.html
Kay S. Hymowitz, “City Journal”:
- http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scene-Specific Debunkings
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What the Littleton LHM-plant REALLY does:
Michael W. Phillips, Jr.:
- http://www.geocities.com/evil_spoon/articles/bowlingforlockheed.htm
What Heston REALLY said in his "Hoya" interview:
Tim Sullivan, “The Hoya”:
- http://www.thehoya.com/news/033100/news3.htm
What the "48 Hours" line REALLY said:
Archive of “48 Hours” page (via http://www.archive.org):
-http://web.archive.org/web/20001003020449/http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/tag/article2.shtml
Heston's ACTUAL speech:
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior-Department:
- http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html(side-by-side comparison)
Worldnetdaily.com:
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16127
What the "Willie Horton" ad(s) REALLY looked like:
American Museum of Moving Image:
- http://www.ammi.org/cgi-bin/video/years.cgi?1988,15,ss,, ("Revolving-Door Prison" ad)
- http://www.ammi.org/cgi-bin/video/years.cgi?1988,17,ss,, ("Willie Horton" ad)
The ACTUAL statistics:
FBI, "Nationmaster", "GunCite", and Bureau of Justice:
- http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/01cius.htm
- http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir
- http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap
- http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
- http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt
Heston is NOT a racist:
Henry Levy, "Jewish Post of New York": (Heston wins CORE's "MLK Jr." award)
- http://www.jewishpost.com/jp0703/jpbr0703a.htm
"Montgomery Citizens":
- http://www.mcsm.org/hestonMLK.html
"HestFest": (some of Heston's Civil-Rights achievements):
- http://marhew.tripod.com/hestfest/id3.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brief/Partial Debunkings
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Sullivan, “Andrewsullivan.com” and “Sunday Times of London”:
- http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20021208
John Fund, “The Wall Street Journal”:
- http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233
Mike Pesca, "On the Media":
- http://www.wnyc.org/onthemedia/transcripts/transcripts_120602_more.html
Garance Franke-Ruta, "The American Prospect" (A Democratic Magazine):
- http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2002/11/franke-ruta-g-11-22.html
Tim Blair, “The Australian” (newspaper):
- http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,5763232,00.html (criticizes both Moore AND Moore’s detractors)
Andy Patrizio, “IGN.com”:
- http://dvd.ign.com/articles/430/430335p1.html?fromint=1
Joseph Farah, "Worldnetdaily.com":
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32217
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34367
Debbie Schlussel, Tech Central Station:
- http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/defensewrapper.jsp?PID=1051-350&CID=1051-032503B
Matt Labash, “The Weekly Standard” magazine:
- http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/831ojymx.asp
Roger Ebert:
- http://www.suntimes.com/output/answ-man/sho-sunday-ebert23.html (responds to Moore)
- http://www.itsthecatsass.com/newboard/messages/37982.htm (answers Q's about BFC)
Brendan Nyhan, "Spinsanity":
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2003_08_31_archive.html#1062477905999081
Matthew Randazzo, IV, “Whateverdude.com”:
- http://www.whatever-dude.com/posts/327.shtml
Chuck Muth, "OpinionEditorials.com":
- http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/muth_20030425.html
Edward Johnson-Ott, "All-Reviews.com" (movie-review site):
- http://www.all-reviews.com/videos-5/bowling-for-columbine-5.htm (gives the movie a POSITIVE review)
Peter Wicks, "The Observer":
- http://www.nd.edu/~observer/04032003/Viewpoint/0.html
Daniel Lyons, “Forbes” magazine:
- http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372&_requestid=6287
- http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372 (Requires $3 purchase)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Debunkings by Pro-Gun Sites
(Keep in mind, pro-gun bias does not invalidate cold-hard facts.)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
James O. E. Norell, “NRA” (National Rifle Association) website:
- http://www.nrahq.org/publications/tag/feature6.asp
Larry Pratt, “gunowners.org”:
- http://gunowners.org/opmooretb.htm
Nicki Fellenzer, "Armed Females of America":
- http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/takingaim/idolworship.htm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Debunkings of BFC-Defenses
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Wacko Attacko" by Michael Moore:
- http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/index.php
Debunkings (by David Hardy, Richard Bushnell, and Myself):
- http://www.hardylaw.net/replytomoore.html
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/wackoattacko.htm
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/thread/3494271?d=3501949#3501949
"A Defense of Michael Moore" by Erik Moller
- http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/8/12/171427/607
Debunking (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601619/board/nest/3465045
"The Truth About 'Truth About Bowling for Columbine'" by Tim Dudley
- http://www.bigsugar.wrestling-fan.com/truthaboutbowling.html
Debunking (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/4338868
The often heard "If He's Lying, why hasn't he been sued?" argument:
(Note: He IS being sued.)
Debunking (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/thread/3555084?d=3638617#3638617
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Other BFC-Related Bits
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Moore invites victims' families to "preview screening", then charges admission:
Ann M. Ketcher, letter to "Rocky Mountain News":
- http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_2356875,00.html
Moore deceives Academy on purely technical grounds:
Joseph Farah, "Worldnetdaily.com":
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34367
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Debunkings of Moore's non-BFC works/statements
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Dude, Where's My Country?"
Bryan Keefer, "Spinsanity" Organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016.html
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016b.html
Richard Bushnell, Reporter, Editorialist, and owner of "Richwatch.com":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/dude.htm
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/dwmc.html (page under construction
"Stupid White Men"
Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" Organization:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020403.html
Ben Fritz, "Salon" Magazine and "Salon.com": (Requires Paid-Membership)
- http://www.salon.com/politics/col/spinsanity/2002/04/03/moore/index_np.html
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/swm.html
Fahrenheit 9/11
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/f911.html (page in preparation)
"Downsize This!"
"Update Ghost", Epinions.com:
- http://www.epinions.com/content_118225800836
The "USA Patriot Act"; What it REALLY does vs. What Moore SAYS it does:
Jonah Goldberg, "National Review Online":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/moore/online/patriotact.htm
Debunking Moore's "Post-9/11 FBI-Flight" Tale
Barbara and David P. Mikkelson, “Snopes.com” (Urban-Legends reference page):
- http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm
Debunking one of Moore's letters to Bush
Brian Carnell, "Leftwatch.com":
- http://www.leftwatch.com/articles/2003/000004.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Other Stuff
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anti-Moore Sites:
Various columnists and contributors:
- http://www.moorewatch.com (contains OVER 300 articles)
- http://www.mooreexposed.com
- http://www.moorelies.com
Moore (famous for filming people without consent) files a complaint against a man for filming MOORE without consent:
John Tierney, "The New York Times":
- http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/regional/061700ny-col-tierney.html
Opinion Telegraph (profile, no author):
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/03/30/do3009.xml
"Michael Moore Enjoying Corporate High-Life"
Carl Limbacher and "Newsmax.com" staff:
- http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/10/31/173730.shtml
"Michael & Me"; Moore refuses to be interviewed about his alleged lying:
Joseph Farah, Worldnetdaily.com:
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34397
"Is Film-Maker Michael Moore a Bigot?"
Larry Elder, Author of "Showdown" and "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America":
- http://www.townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/le20030116.shtml
The origins of "The List" in "Stupid White Men":
Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_04_07_archive.html#75241524
Debunking various statements made by Moore:
Bryan Keefer, “Spinsanity”:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_06_23_archive.html#85204379
Some hypocritical statements made by Moore:
"Celebrity Hypocrites":
- http://www.celebrityhypocrites.com/mmoore.html
Politics and Hypocrisy in Hollywood:
Jan Golab, “Front Page Magazine”:
- http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6617
Moore attempts to hide a statement he made:
Paul Boutin, "Wired" magazine and "Wired.com":
- http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56524,00.html
Interviews in which Moore evades criticism and double-talks:
Lou Dobbs, CNN’s “Moneyline with Lou Dobbs”:
- http://www.cnn.com/transcripts/0204/12/mlld.00.html
Buchanon and Press:
- http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/955443.asp?cp1=1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/2988799
-
^^^
micheal moore is a genius...its all you fuckin super-americans who think he's a fraud..."oh the man is telling all of america's problems lets attack him and try to make people believe that america has no problems" :o fuckin wack ass motherfuckers...there was absolutely no anti-american shit in there...there was anti-bullshit stuff...thats what the whole movie was...exposing the media for their bullshit. and it was a damn good movie.
-
Lol
Ignore it if you want to, but he's just pulling the wool over your eyes. I just posted a HUGE amount of links debunking his movie from many different sources. America's not perfect, but I don't need some guy who weighs 400 pounds telling me about self control.
Have fun being a sheep.
-
see after he had that oscar speech or whatever then the media started making fun of his weight and shit, that was just sad that they stooped that low, I mean so many americans are over weight and shit it's just retarted
-
I was really blazed when i saw this and i thought the part where it shows you the two students shooting up the school was one of the most horrible and upsetting things i've ever seen, if i knew it was going to be in it i doubt if i would've watched it.