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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Don Breezio on December 10, 2003, 10:02:33 PM
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if an artist doesnt "keep it real"...do you really care if the artist lives what they rap about? half of them dont live that shit...i heard a couple people bitching about ice cube saying "live by the gun die by the gun" on terrorist threats....who gives a shit if cube isnt a gangster...50 cent isnt a pimp and neither is snoop dogg but people still listen to them. i personally dont give a fuck if eminem really had that horrible of a childhood or if he was a child millionare. as long as the music is good thats what should count.
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I can care less if someone is gangster or not.
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It depends, if it is done well, and convinces you that is what they have been through then i don't really care. I mean the fact that Notorious BIG came from a relatively well off family and went to a private school doesn't stop Juicy from being an amazing tale of rags to riches, because he makes you believe that is what is childhood was like. People like 50 Cent etc who pretend to be gangster just isn't convincing cause you know that he's only doing it to seem hard and sell records, and he doesn't convince you that he actually lives like that.
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I can care less if someone is gangster or not.
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Most rappers don't do what they claim to do in their songs. Remember "A Nigga Witta Gun"? Dre spits:"I'm the one who's doin' it while these other niggas talk about it." Although he didn't do nothing either ::) Or remember "Nothing But Sunshine" by Atmosphere where Slug is rappin' about his mother's dead and his father's suicide? It's all just bullshit, as he confirmed in an interview. But that's how it is, they are often not "the same" while rappin'.
I can care less if someone is gangster or not.
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People like 50 Cent etc who pretend to be gangster just isn't convincing cause you know that he's only doing it to seem hard and sell records, and he doesn't convince you that he actually lives like that.
Suprised Jome didn't come in here and defend 50's gangsta.
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it matters to people that take it seriously. if someone takes this rap shit seriously, and they think that life is all about gucci and women and guns, then it matters. but if not, then why should it matter? i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
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I don't care if they're gangster or not..
As long as they play the role good, I don't care..
Good examples: 50 Cent, Mobb Deep, M.O.P., Tray Deee, Goldie Loc, Suge Knight, etc.
Gangsta or not, I don't know. But they're pretty damn convincing.
List could of course have been made longer, but that's some pretty profilic examples.
Bad examples: Dr.Dre, Eminem, Fabolous, Dipset, Nas, Kurupt etc.
They have all claimed to be gangstas at one time or another, but everything tells me none of them really are.
This list could probably have been reeeeaaaally long..
I mean.. everybody knows Robert DeNiro plays gangsta good, but who would like to see Jim Carrey or Jerry Seinfeld play one ??
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i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
this is what im talkin about though...why lose respect for them? do you lose respect for will smith playing a cop in a movie when he's not really a cop? i have no problems with any of them...whether they do it well or not...we shouldnt give a shit...i dont know why people do.
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in all honesty, i listen to music for music. i dont listen to it to know about their personal lives or whatever, so it doesnt bother me @ all
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i hav a problem wit 50 cent claimin gangsta if he actually made good music he mite be forgiven but i gotta say fuck him
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biggie is a great example, because his mom said in many interviews he was not poor, he had a nice home, he went to a good school, but through his rhymes he could convince anyone
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lolmon man, u really think a nigga whos done made millions is still gon be hustlin on the streets??? if they rao about being a g and they were bought up livin like that, then dope, but if they bought up once way actin like they did it another way no matter how good or bad they act it, its weak as fuck
peace
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it depends. It all depends how blatent it is. Such as someone who obviously cannot relate to what they are rapping about then I think that is gay as fuck. If you rap about gangs, guns, drugs, hoez, and murder and you never even stepped foot in a ghetto, never sold drugs, don't carry gunz, never smacked a bitch, then that is gay and I hate it. but if you grew up in a city with that shit around you, even though you may not have participated in gang activity, then that is cool.
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i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
this is what im talkin about though...why lose respect for them? do you lose respect for will smith playing a cop in a movie when he's not really a cop? i have no problems with any of them...whether they do it well or not...we shouldnt give a shit...i dont know why people do.
music is music. when it comes down to it, you gotta ask 'what is this doing to people's lives?' then you might be able to see where i'm coming from. none of that shit is right. none if it is good if people are dying over it. no matter who does it. whether it be will smith or 50 cent, the fact is people are doing dumb shit because of it. that's why i give a shit. cuz a dude on the a train here in new york got killed for his jewels in broad ass daylight picking up his daughter. for some goddam chain around his neck. that's a problem. and i'll bet anythign that the motherfucker that did it heard some shit about 50 and ja
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depends. basically i prefer MCs rappin about what the actually do or did...of course snoop ain't peddlin drugs no more but since its sumthing he did he can still rap about it and "keep it real"...dependin on what environment u grew up in you can rap about shit around you and "keep it real" too even when u live in a very different neighborhood later...but music is an artform and as well as a novelist can write from a psycho's perspective a rapper can spit from a gangsta's perspective. But what's important to me is that the rapper don't talk shit in interviews etc. cause then he actually is on sum fake shit...cuz the author aint gonna go on about bein a serial killer in interviews either. Cause MC's who make up stories about themselves to back up their gangsta lyrics are fakes tryina sound hard...
Big L wouldn't have claimed in real life "every sunday a nun laid from his gunspray", Lynch wouldn't say he's an actual cannibal etc. So 50 shouldn't talk bout bein a pimp either cause that'd be an actual attempt to make people believe hes sumthin he aint and thats wack
anyways, as for all the gangsta shit i generally like listenin to MCs who (seem to) really live it cause (logically) they often come up with more interesting views on gangsta live than mothafuckas who just talk about it
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i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
this is what im talkin about though...why lose respect for them? do you lose respect for will smith playing a cop in a movie when he's not really a cop? i have no problems with any of them...whether they do it well or not...we shouldnt give a shit...i dont know why people do.
music is music. when it comes down to it, you gotta ask 'what is this doing to people's lives?' then you might be able to see where i'm coming from. none of that shit is right. none if it is good if people are dying over it. no matter who does it. whether it be will smith or 50 cent, the fact is people are doing dumb shit because of it. that's why i give a shit. cuz a dude on the a train here in new york got killed for his jewels in broad ass daylight picking up his daughter. for some goddam chain around his neck. that's a problem. and i'll bet anythign that the motherfucker that did it heard some shit about 50 and ja
lmao...you're one of those people who thinks we should blame columbine on marilyn manson right? dude...its not the music...its people in general. just because 50 cent does a song called how to rob...doesnt mean that people are gonna go "hey that sounds like a good idea lemme go rob everybody in the industry"...thats fuckin stupid to think that way. stop blaming music and start blaming the people who deserve to be blamed. the idiots doing the stupid shit.
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i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
this is what im talkin about though...why lose respect for them? do you lose respect for will smith playing a cop in a movie when he's not really a cop? i have no problems with any of them...whether they do it well or not...we shouldnt give a shit...i dont know why people do.
music is music. when it comes down to it, you gotta ask 'what is this doing to people's lives?' then you might be able to see where i'm coming from. none of that shit is right. none if it is good if people are dying over it. no matter who does it. whether it be will smith or 50 cent, the fact is people are doing dumb shit because of it. that's why i give a shit. cuz a dude on the a train here in new york got killed for his jewels in broad ass daylight picking up his daughter. for some goddam chain around his neck. that's a problem. and i'll bet anythign that the motherfucker that did it heard some shit about 50 and ja
lmao...you're one of those people who thinks we should blame columbine on marilyn manson right? dude...its not the music...its people in general. just because 50 cent does a song called how to rob...doesnt mean that people are gonna go "hey that sounds like a good idea lemme go rob everybody in the industry"...thats fuckin stupid to think that way. stop blaming music and start blaming the people who deserve to be blamed. the idiots doing the stupid shit.
yeah, word up, people needa quit that shit. There is still gonna be murders, robberies, crime, and all that shit, regardless of the entertainment industry.
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lyrics, movies, video games etc. might have a certain influence on people, but blamin them for the violence goin on is far too easy
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I'm just sick of how negative rap is. I don't really give a shit if they're real or not anymore, I just wish they were a little more optimistic instead of acting like everything's guns bitches and hos.
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lyrics, movies, video games etc. might have a certain influence on people, but blamin them for the violence goin on is far too easy
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I'm just sick of how negative rap is. I don't really give a shit if they're real or not anymore, I just wish they were a little more optimistic instead of acting like everything's guns bitches and hos.
thankyou trauma...i agree with that entirely...why rap about bitches, violence, etc....can't they find something a little more positive to rap about?
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damn if your sick of it then don't listen to it. I don't want rappers to switch up on some gay ass positive shit. Can you imagine someone like Spice 1 or Jayo Felony rappin bout some positive shit? I can't.
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damn if your sick of it then don't listen to it. I don't want rappers to switch up on some gay ass positive shit. Can you imagine someone like Spice 1 or Jayo Felony rappin bout some positive shit? I can't.
thats the problem..i can't imagine any of the rappers on the radio or even on major labels rapping about some positive shit...the only time you really ever hear anything positive is on underground shit...i'd like to hear some positive shit out of all of them...50 cent could stick with shitty lyrics but if he switched up to some positive shit i may like him a bit more.
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^^^ so you weren't joking when you told me you own every album by Hanson.
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^^^ so you weren't joking when you told me you own every album by Hanson.
lmao no i dont own any hanson albums...i did make a cartoon in 8th grade where the whole band died a horribly gruesome death and made a girl in my class cry though...that was fun. mmmbop ;D
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i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
this is what im talkin about though...why lose respect for them? do you lose respect for will smith playing a cop in a movie when he's not really a cop? i have no problems with any of them...whether they do it well or not...we shouldnt give a shit...i dont know why people do.
music is music. when it comes down to it, you gotta ask 'what is this doing to people's lives?' then you might be able to see where i'm coming from. none of that shit is right. none if it is good if people are dying over it. no matter who does it. whether it be will smith or 50 cent, the fact is people are doing dumb shit because of it. that's why i give a shit. cuz a dude on the a train here in new york got killed for his jewels in broad ass daylight picking up his daughter. for some goddam chain around his neck. that's a problem. and i'll bet anythign that the motherfucker that did it heard some shit about 50 and ja
lmao...you're one of those people who thinks we should blame columbine on marilyn manson right? dude...its not the music...its people in general. just because 50 cent does a song called how to rob...doesnt mean that people are gonna go "hey that sounds like a good idea lemme go rob everybody in the industry"...thats fuckin stupid to think that way. stop blaming music and start blaming the people who deserve to be blamed. the idiots doing the stupid shit.
you are absolutely right - it is the people. people are irresponsible and honestly, i would never think of blaming columbine on marilyn manson or anybody except those two fuckin kids....i'm saying that people are making money off of this shit. it's sad. i agree fully - people are responsible for their own actions, but you gotta realize that many people who listen to this shit don't know the difference between real life and and what they hear on record. just because other people are irresponsible and ignorant doesn't really mean that we should make money off it. and maybe that's not a musicians fault, it's the record companies fault. it's like driving down the street with a car coming straight at you. you know the other guy is dumb as fuck, and breaking the law, and is going to kill you, but you keep driving straight on and even faster because you have the right of way....if i thought rap was all bad and all that shit that you're portraying me as, would i listen to it? man, i'm not blaming anyone, i just think that people are ignorant and people are gettin hurt because of it....
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i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
this is what im talkin about though...why lose respect for them? do you lose respect for will smith playing a cop in a movie when he's not really a cop? i have no problems with any of them...whether they do it well or not...we shouldnt give a shit...i dont know why people do.
music is music. when it comes down to it, you gotta ask 'what is this doing to people's lives?' then you might be able to see where i'm coming from. none of that shit is right. none if it is good if people are dying over it. no matter who does it. whether it be will smith or 50 cent, the fact is people are doing dumb shit because of it. that's why i give a shit. cuz a dude on the a train here in new york got killed for his jewels in broad ass daylight picking up his daughter. for some goddam chain around his neck. that's a problem. and i'll bet anythign that the motherfucker that did it heard some shit about 50 and ja
lmao...you're one of those people who thinks we should blame columbine on marilyn manson right? dude...its not the music...its people in general. just because 50 cent does a song called how to rob...doesnt mean that people are gonna go "hey that sounds like a good idea lemme go rob everybody in the industry"...thats fuckin stupid to think that way. stop blaming music and start blaming the people who deserve to be blamed. the idiots doing the stupid shit.
you are absolutely right - it is the people. people are irresponsible and honestly, i would never think of blaming columbine on marilyn manson or anybody except those two fuckin kids....i'm saying that people are making money off of this shit. it's sad. i agree fully - people are responsible for their own actions, but you gotta realize that many people who listen to this shit don't know the difference between real life and and what they hear on record. just because other people are irresponsible and ignorant doesn't really mean that we should make money off it. and maybe that's not a musicians fault, it's the record companies fault. it's like driving down the street with a car coming straight at you. you know the other guy is dumb as fuck, and breaking the law, and is going to kill you, but you keep driving straight on and even faster because you have the right of way....if i thought rap was all bad and all that shit that you're portraying me as, would i listen to it? man, i'm not blaming anyone, i just think that people are ignorant and people are gettin hurt because of it....
but again...as you said...its not the rappers fault...its the fault of the idiots who dont know the difference...its not the record companies fault...they have to make their money and you know if rap was all positive they wouldnt make half what they do now. yes i would like to see some more positive music out but i really could give a shit less if somebody lives what they talk about. and people who believe in whatever is said in a record and as you say "get hurt because of it" are idiots and its their own fault.
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i tend to have less respect for fakers (ie: snoop, dre, cube), and even lesser respect for stupid and unintelligent fakers (ie: 50 cent). the main problem is that kids are following these fakers cuz they think that that's how they gotta be. and then you got stupid ass kids shootin eachother over some goddam 50 cent lyrics....that's when it's wrong. but as long as you know the difference between right and wrong, real and fake, it's all good
this is what im talkin about though...why lose respect for them? do you lose respect for will smith playing a cop in a movie when he's not really a cop? i have no problems with any of them...whether they do it well or not...we shouldnt give a shit...i dont know why people do.
music is music. when it comes down to it, you gotta ask 'what is this doing to people's lives?' then you might be able to see where i'm coming from. none of that shit is right. none if it is good if people are dying over it. no matter who does it. whether it be will smith or 50 cent, the fact is people are doing dumb shit because of it. that's why i give a shit. cuz a dude on the a train here in new york got killed for his jewels in broad ass daylight picking up his daughter. for some goddam chain around his neck. that's a problem. and i'll bet anythign that the motherfucker that did it heard some shit about 50 and ja
lmao...you're one of those people who thinks we should blame columbine on marilyn manson right? dude...its not the music...its people in general. just because 50 cent does a song called how to rob...doesnt mean that people are gonna go "hey that sounds like a good idea lemme go rob everybody in the industry"...thats fuckin stupid to think that way. stop blaming music and start blaming the people who deserve to be blamed. the idiots doing the stupid shit.
you are absolutely right - it is the people. people are irresponsible and honestly, i would never think of blaming columbine on marilyn manson or anybody except those two fuckin kids....i'm saying that people are making money off of this shit. it's sad. i agree fully - people are responsible for their own actions, but you gotta realize that many people who listen to this shit don't know the difference between real life and and what they hear on record. just because other people are irresponsible and ignorant doesn't really mean that we should make money off it. and maybe that's not a musicians fault, it's the record companies fault. it's like driving down the street with a car coming straight at you. you know the other guy is dumb as fuck, and breaking the law, and is going to kill you, but you keep driving straight on and even faster because you have the right of way....if i thought rap was all bad and all that shit that you're portraying me as, would i listen to it? man, i'm not blaming anyone, i just think that people are ignorant and people are gettin hurt because of it....
but again...as you said...its not the rappers fault...its the fault of the idiots who dont know the difference...its not the record companies fault...they have to make their money and you know if rap was all positive they wouldnt make half what they do now. yes i would like to see some more positive music out but i really could give a shit less if somebody lives what they talk about. and people who believe in whatever is said in a record and as you say "get hurt because of it" are idiots and its their own fault.
damn with all these quotes this is getting out of hand! yeah, i brought up an opinon of my own which really didn't belong in this post. music is music and if it's bangin, i'm gonna listen to it regardless of artist. and you're right, these people are idiots, i just wish it wasn't really like that....let's just say i'll respect someone's opinion more if they're real, but their opinion isn't always represented in their music. so, when dre or snoop or 50 rap, they're hot. but when they're gettin interviewed, i really don't give a shit or even listen to anything they have to say....