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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: LyRiCaL_G on December 11, 2003, 01:01:08 PM
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CULTURE.......
thats for real man, i noticed lately nuff niggaz post on this thinkin they know so much jus cuz they go on about 10 different message boards for however long and get educated from that, but u cant really say something thats true or related true until u know whats its culture is, until u go out and understand hip hop.........jus felt like sayin dat!
niggaz agree??
peace!
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Yeah man, I feel ya.
But there's an important difference between understanding and enjoying. You can do the second without the first ;)
I don't expect everyone to have in-depth knowledge of all aspects of hip-hop culture, and I don't think it makes them any less of fans for it. If people are fans of mainstream rap they hear on the radio they shouldn't be ridiculed because they don't know 'bout Bambaata or Flash, or breaking or grafitti or anything else than happened, most probably, before they were born.
On the other hand, if you're going to do it properly, you gots to get some background, if only because it lets you put today's music and shit in perspective.
So I dunno... guess it depends on whether you want to hear or just listen. (I stole that that shit from White Men Can't Jump :D)
Interesting post man, props.
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its true... but hopefully the will to want to understand more about it is a root to discovering those things
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Yeah man, I feel ya. But there's an important difference between understanding and enjoying. You can do the second without the first ;)
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I went to learned about the culture because it was the only music style that i "connect" to.
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But there's an important difference between understanding and enjoying. You can do the second without the first ;)
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gyea i sorta agree..
btw, where u from lyrical g? u be tryin 2 hard mane......
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On the other hand, if you're going to do it properly, you gots to get some background, if only because it lets you put today's music and shit in perspective.
I think that's what it comes down to right there. If you're doing music, then it's an absolute necessity. Even if you're just a fan, it helps to have that knowledge, that way you will enjoy it and appreciate it more.
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understand the culture? LMAO! Half these damn rappers don't even know their own fuckin culture, much less the majority of morons listening to the music.
People ain't tryna understand hip hop, or understand country, or understand rock and roll.
90% of people listen to something cause it sounds good, they don't give a fuck about understanding it. Shit my best days of listening to music was back when I was a rookie and really didn't understand shit. Thats when I loved music the most. Now I'm all way more into it, and listen to it deeper, and analyze it, and understand it all better. Now I judge it way harder and shit. I remember my first experience from Pac was the song I get around. Shit back then I thought he was talkin about cruising around his city all the time and being a busy guy and shit.
Culture shit. You think Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Nelly, Fabolous, Ludacris give a fuck about culture? There is hardly any culture in rap at all anymore. Its about gunz, sex, drugs, money, bangin, and seemingly most important - how dope you are/how big of an ego you got. there ain't no culture in rap music anymore.
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btw, where u from lyrical g? u be tryin 2 hard mane......
That's what I been wondering for over a year, I even asked.. :-X
Most things tell me U.K., but "poor nigga in the streets" attitude makes me confused.. ???
Speak up G!
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lmao...looks like we need to ring tha "gangsta t" alarm and expose yet another fake.....
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I think due is from NY. That would explain it.
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gyea i sorta agree..
btw, where u from lyrical g? u be tryin 2 hard mane......
lol pleez man, , i aint no clown or fake or wahevever, n i def dont try to hard, i speak how i was bought up, bottom line dawg,u may think i try to hard cuzz u aint from a place as ruff as me, thats what im defr sure about even tho i dont know or giv a fuck where u from, not cuz i dont like u or sum shit, i aint got problems with no cats on message boards, i jus dont need to know where u from to know if u a real nigga or a phony, not that im sayin u one though..... why come on a board trying hard man? that would be weak as fuck........
u wanna know about me? i dont need names countrys/cities to get respect, i got my
i come from jamaica niggaz, i aint ther no mo, but thats where i was raised for a long ass time n thats all im sayin...........
plus this topic gettin off topic, maybe cuz its slightly controversail to niggaz who knows, but like im sayin, until dudes dont understand culture, wont fully understand hiphop.......so when cats act like they know all shit never been on the streets or cant understand, it makes me laugh..........
by the props to pretty much everyone whos posted on this, i agree with most of ya..........i like the line off white bwoys cant fly to
peace
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understand the culture? LMAO! Half these damn rappers don't even know their own fuckin culture, much less the majority of morons listening to the music.
People ain't tryna understand hip hop, or understand country, or understand rock and roll.
90% of people listen to something cause it sounds good, they don't give a fuck about understanding it. Shit my best days of listening to music was back when I was a rookie and really didn't understand shit. Thats when I loved music the most. Now I'm all way more into it, and listen to it deeper, and analyze it, and understand it all better. Now I judge it way harder and shit. I remember my first experience from Pac was the song I get around. Shit back then I thought he was talkin about cruising around his city all the time and being a busy guy and shit.
Culture shit. You think Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Nelly, Fabolous, Ludacris give a fuck about culture? There is hardly any culture in rap at all anymore. Its about gunz, sex, drugs, money, bangin, and seemingly most important - how dope you are/how big of an ego you got. there ain't no culture in rap music anymore.
^real talk... i remember when there was a time when i was like 12 i didn't know shit about hiphop... i just listened 2 the shit cuz i liked the sound of it... now i'm more in depth with it and it forces me 2 judge that shit harder... back in the day i'd listen 2 anything and enjoy it now a days it takes alot 2 plz me... but this is a good thread... i think cats should no more about the essence of hiphop... where it originated and what it really means and it ain't about shootin muthafuckas up and sellin' drugs and shit... i feel u thou becuz i feel sorry for the youth gettin' in2 rap right now and they can't aprecite a real hiphop album like some old Nasty Nas shit or Pete Rock & CL Smooth... The kids don't know shit these days, all they know is if it's on Mtv or if they hear it on the radio it must be hott and the media tricks there feeble minds into believin' the shit is really dope when it's garbage... that's how i know i matured alot becuz the media can't play me nomore... i'm my own person and i can decypher the tight shit fromt the wack ass garbage that is plaugin' all these kids minds... You realize how bad a state hiphop is in right now... i ain't talkin' just on the business level where every1's tryna fuck u but on a music level too... the underground got lots of heat, lots of hungry mc's... comercially rap music has turned in2 more like hip pop... shit is corny, no originality it's just the same shit, talkin' bout cars, stuntin', how many bitches u fucked, how many ppl u killed how much drugs u dealt... blah blah blah... come up wit some original shit... U realize that 50 Cent killed Rakim's buzz!!! Rakim a pioneer in the game got put on the shelf for 50 Cents wack ass!!! What is wrong with the world? and wtf is up wit the god anyway??? Is his album or droppin' or what???
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I think due is from NY. That would explain it.
an what the fuck does being from ny gotta do wit anything
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I think due is from NY. That would explain it.
an what the fuck does being from ny gotta do wit anything
all of us here at WCC secretly hate people from NY. I dunno why, maybe cause NIK left everyone needed something new to hate. :-\
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an what the fuck does being from ny gotta do wit anything
The cocky tough guy attitude.
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there ain't really anyway to understand the culture unless you enjoy it. you gotta research it up first, i think.
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gyea i sorta agree..
btw, where u from lyrical g? u be tryin 2 hard mane......
i come from jamaica niggaz
jamaica as in the country of jamaica queens
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understand the culture? LMAO! Half these damn rappers don't even know their own fuckin culture, much less the majority of morons listening to the music.
People ain't tryna understand hip hop, or understand country, or understand rock and roll.
90% of people listen to something cause it sounds good, they don't give a fuck about understanding it. Shit my best days of listening to music was back when I was a rookie and really didn't understand shit. Thats when I loved music the most. Now I'm all way more into it, and listen to it deeper, and analyze it, and understand it all better. Now I judge it way harder and shit. I remember my first experience from Pac was the song I get around. Shit back then I thought he was talkin about cruising around his city all the time and being a busy guy and shit.
Culture shit. You think Ja Rule, 50 Cent, Nelly, Fabolous, Ludacris give a fuck about culture? There is hardly any culture in rap at all anymore. Its about gunz, sex, drugs, money, bangin, and seemingly most important - how dope you are/how big of an ego you got. there ain't no culture in rap music anymore.
took the words right out of my mouth
there is no culture in hip hop anymore. also people overrate hip hop's influence rock music is still the biggest selling type of music in the country and across the world. also rap music sales are going down where as other types of musics are seeing steady sales. also another point i want to bring up is, half what rappers are doing now was already established by the 1970's by rock artists. everything rappers are diong now is IDENTICAL to what rockers like motley cru, white snake, bon jovi, ect. did in the 80's.
hip hop is a rip off straight up.........i still enjoy it but it's not as "real" as people make it out to be. the hip hop culture is non exisistant.
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And what rockers did, somebody did before. So there aint no pioneers in the shit, cant nobody say them originated the shit. Shit been there, people doez it, who carez.
Enjoy the music and stop wondering that much!
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Some of these peeps need 2 listen 2 Bluegrass instead of rap.
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being a busy guy and shit.
LOL
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Some of these peeps need 2 listen 2 Bluegrass instead of rap.
^lol bluegrass... i wanna know who the fuck listens 2 this shit... i was goin' throu the music channels one day and i was checkin' them all and i put on bluegrass channel shit hurt my ears it was so bad... on the other hand cold187um sampled bluegrass on Deep Az Da Root and the song is one of my favorite ATL songs... Hutch is a genius... and NY is hiphop... how u gonna hate on NY... i'm from the east coast, i love new york, i love hiphop in general i don't look @ it as west coast/east coast... if it sounds hott i bump it...
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Download anything by Alison Krauss, and you'll know why people love Bluegrass.
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lol pleez man, , i aint no clown or fake or wahevever, n i def dont try to hard, i speak how i was bought up, bottom line dawg,u may think i try to hard cuzz u aint from a place as ruff as me, thats what im defr sure about even tho i dont know or giv a fuck where u from, not cuz i dont like u or sum shit, i aint got problems with no cats on message boards, i jus dont need to know where u from to know if u a real nigga or a phony, not that im sayin u one though..... why come on a board trying hard man? that would be weak as fuck........
u wanna know about me? i dont need names countrys/cities to get respect, i got my
i come from jamaica niggaz, i aint ther no mo, but thats where i was raised for a long ass time n thats all im sayin...........
I said U tryin 2 hard and I'm stickin 2 it....lol @ "Niggaz agree?" cmon mane....
and don't come up in this bitch makin yurself a victim of some sort....U lived in ruff hoods? coo.....we got somethin in common then.....but so wat....I waz just pointin somethin out and muthafucaz agreed wit me.....and U KNO wat im talkin bout....
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Some of these peeps need 2 listen 2 Bluegrass instead of rap.
^lol bluegrass... i wanna know who the fuck listens 2 this shit... i was goin' throu the music channels one day and i was checkin' them all and i put on bluegrass channel shit hurt my ears it was so bad... on the other hand cold187um sampled bluegrass on Deep Az Da Root and the song is one of my favorite ATL songs... Hutch is a genius... and NY is hiphop... how u gonna hate on NY... i'm from the east coast, i love new york, i love hiphop in general i don't look @ it as west coast/east coast... if it sounds hott i bump it...
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LMAO that post was so ignorant and funny i can barely type this
ricky skaggs is more a genious and waaaaaaaaaay more of a musician , A REAL musician than hutch will ever be!
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Yeah man, I feel ya.
But there's an important difference between understanding and enjoying. You can do the second without the first ;)
I don't expect everyone to have in-depth knowledge of all aspects of hip-hop culture, and I don't think it makes them any less of fans for it. If people are fans of mainstream rap they hear on the radio they shouldn't be ridiculed because they don't know 'bout Bambaata or Flash, or breaking or grafitti or anything else than happened, most probably, before they were born.
On the other hand, if you're going to do it properly, you gots to get some background, if only because it lets you put today's music and shit in perspective.
So I dunno... guess it depends on whether you want to hear or just listen.
The above statement sums up how I think about it. I couldn't have said it any better.
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lol pleez man, , i aint no clown or fake or wahevever, n i def dont try to hard, i speak how i was bought up, bottom line dawg,u may think i try to hard cuzz u aint from a place as ruff as me, thats what im defr sure about even tho i dont know or giv a fuck where u from, not cuz i dont like u or sum shit, i aint got problems with no cats on message boards, i jus dont need to know where u from to know if u a real nigga or a phony, not that im sayin u one though..... why come on a board trying hard man? that would be weak as fuck........
u wanna know about me? i dont need names countrys/cities to get respect, i got my
i come from jamaica niggaz, i aint ther no mo, but thats where i was raised for a long ass time n thats all im sayin...........
I said U tryin 2 hard and I'm stickin 2 it....lol @ "Niggaz agree?" cmon mane....
and don't come up in this bitch makin yurself a victim of some sort....U lived in ruff hoods? coo.....we got somethin in common then.....but so wat....I waz just pointin somethin out and muthafucaz agreed wit me.....and U KNO wat im talkin bout....
lol pleeeeeeez groupie, get off my sack dawg, aint nobody tryin hard, i talk the way i was raised, u dont like it, tuff shit killa,u ever see me givin a fuck about how niggaz on dubcc think of me, i speak real shit and thats never changed, i have fun to and i never said imma victin feelin sorry for myself jus cuz im from a ruff yard, i got much love in my yard, u probably one of them cats who jus chills with g's thinkin u suddenly become one to,lol but aint no way im gonna change my normal ways cuz some clown on the net thinks im trying to hard,hahaha.......nice 2 know u be keepin a notice of me though
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I think Hip-Hop culture is alive and well. It seems that people like Ja Rule, Jay-Z and others did hurt it, but real hip-hop still is heard. Rawkus Records is still releasing bangers, and some artist are still in it for the culture. The thing that hurt hip-hop, and Jigga admits it in Vibe, is making an album with hot singles, so that you water down your content, but sell more. I think 1997 was the death of Hip-Hop as we knew it, as everyone followed Puffy's steps and were all about the singles. Before, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Nas, Biggie, 2Pac, Rappin' 4 Tay, all them muthaphukkaz represented Hip-Hop. Coolio's biggest song was Gangsta's Paradise, str8 from the streets. Now though, people aren't making records for the streets they are making club bangers. Lil' Jon and the Eastside Boyz, 50 Cent, Ja Rule, Jay-Z, Neptunes production. Rap music has left the Hip-Hop culture. I still see B-Boyz breaking, and graffiti art is still being done in forms of intercity murals, and there is still the real emcees out in the world, and they are just as popular as they were back in the day, but rap music as a whole is no longer part of Hip-Hop, instead it is part of the record lables to sell a water down version of an art form to suburn kids, in hopes of going triple platnum.
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i agree with y'all about most points been made, but i gotta say, i think drugs is to a certain extent part of hiphop culture, not the bitches, cuz that shits bullshit, aint no rapper come up fuckin every bitch that walks past him until he famous, but why i think drugs is part of the hiphop culture, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT is cuz most these muhfuckaz were raised smokin that shit cuz of reasons, im sure most of y'all know and i cant be reasoned to type, but imo........i feel drugs is part of hiphop to a certain extent, like i dont rao about it, much respect, but if u do rap about smokin n shit to a certain degree dependin on how u rappin about it, i think that shits legal cuz to me its part of the culture a little
peace
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^^^^ yo I definately agree. Drugs are a big part of rap. Shit, probably every rapper I listen to smokes weed (except numbskull, unless he started again.) If you don't smoke weed on the reg than you will never really understand why people smoke it all the time and how it can effect you. Also most rappers probably sold drugs at one point or another in their life. And not to mention, Drugs are a real thing, they are really in the streets, and all over the world. Shit there is always talks of people like Eazy E, Master P, and more starting their labels with drug money. Drugs are a big part of rap.
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LMAO that post was so ignorant and funny i can barely type this
ricky skaggs is more a genious and waaaaaaaaaay more of a musician , A REAL musician than hutch will ever be!
And, Ricky Skaggs could never make a Hip Hop track as good as Hutch. So, as far as I'm concerned, whatever Ricky Skaggs has done will NEVER touch Hutch when we talk about Hip Hop.
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^^^^ word.
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I think 1997 was the death of Hip-Hop as we knew it, as everyone followed Puffy's steps and were all about the singles.
please...no way out was not full of singles...it was full of hot tracks...he made a quality album and because of that people loved it...so why not put out some tracks as singles? but that was not an album made full of singles...it had 2 tracks imo that were made for singles in the first place...I'll Be Missing You & Can't Nobody Hold Me Down...the rest were just hot tracks...puffy didnt start making a whole album of singles until he started producing everything...even now though he doesnt do it on his albums...think about it:
no way out: Ill Be Missing You/Can't Nobody Hold Me Down
Forever: PE 2000, Satisfy You
The Saga Continues: Bad Boy For Life/Diddy
thats all...2 tracks from each were singles....he may have put out one or two more...but none of them did that well and they werent really made for singles.
the year that fucked over hip hop was really more like the 99/2000 era....that shit was horrible...it was diddy producing every god damn thing on earth. and we had ja rule putting out 10 R&B laced singles a month...the shit was way out of hand and that right there is what fucked hip hop.
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the title says it all
...i'm in a cross between radio and underground and i hate both sides of it.
...radio people think that shit like jay z, ja rule, chingy, is the shit and everyone else sucks WAAAAAAAAAY before they even listen to ras kass, crooked i, knoc-turn'al.
...and the underground rappers get mad because DJ McHotshit can't get a record deal so ras kass, crooked i and knoc-turn'al suck.
me....i have to like the beats....like the flow....like the lyrics....like the content. i can take some gangsta shit but now a days that shit's a bit played out....i like shit that makes you think, makes you look up some words they say if you don't understand them, that talk about a greater struggle...
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Thats real!
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LMAO that post was so ignorant and funny i can barely type this
ricky skaggs is more a genious and waaaaaaaaaay more of a musician , A REAL musician than hutch will ever be!
And, Ricky Skaggs could never make a Hip Hop track as good as Hutch. So, as far as I'm concerned, whatever Ricky Skaggs has done will NEVER touch Hutch when we talk about Hip Hop.
shut the fuck up you don't even know who ricky skaggs is
if mike dean can go from producing muther fuckers like journey and shit to making scarface's beats i think ricky skaggs , who has mastered ever musical scale on a stringed instrument could hear a couple of hutch's 2nd rate music and duplicate it's sound.
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lmao @ rodzilla tryin to put it down fo real once again...
you makin a fool outta yourself with each post in a serious topic..
you're one of those aint understandin nada
think about it punk
hahaha
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lmaooo @ my german groupy just said "nada"
mannn, get bac 2 yur hole....lyrical g waz actin all lame wit it so I called him out on it and we solved it like men.....but muthafucaz like U carry tha hate like a bitch.....I told U a million times, U aint nobody......and if yur EVER gonna be in Cali, holla @ me......PM me and I'll leave my number so whenever U take a vacation here, me and my people can roll 2 see U......it's nothin......
and oh yea, 4 muthafucaz dat dunno tha history, don't come in here and say I'm takin internet shit too far.....if a muthafuca gone get in tha way of me or my people's hustle, he gets dealt wit......but we can't exactly do much when he's some white dood from Germany now......can we? but he claims he comes out here......so wat is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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haha
each of your posts gets worse
makes you even funnier to me though
haha you scared of me ? cause you gotta come to see me with a whole group of fools ?!
hahaha
foos git dealt wit
what iiiiis iit punk
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fools get dealt with? lmaoo.....just get @ me when yur here.....we'll see who gets dealt with........
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haha man this posts old dawg, dope topic though, who dealt it?haha, jus playin, but for real, there always seem to be some next man slingin off a niggaz tail in dubcc for somereason........this post was made in december.....now its middle feb........and its still gwarnin!
yeah but T, like rod said, our shits been dealt with man, its over, y'all need to deal with your shit 2
pz