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Judge Halts Distribution Of Eminem's Controversial Freestyle
12.17.2003 1:21 PM EST
Eminem (file)
Photo: Interscope
NEW YORK — On Tuesday a federal court judge granted Eminem an injunction against The Source, blocking the hip-hop publication from releasing a CD containing a controversial freestyle by the rapper.
Last month the magazine's owners, Ray "Benzino" Scott and David Mays, held a press conference to expose the old recording in which a young Marshall Mathers talks disparagingly about black women (see "The Source Digs Up Tape Of Eminem Using Racial Slurs"). The Source's owners said a CD of the freestyle would be included in their February issue, due on newsstands January 13.
Eminem admitted to making the song in anger and issued an apology. In a statement released two weeks ago, he said, "I did and said a lot of stupid sh-- when I was a kid, but that's part of growing up. The tape of me rapping 15 years ago as a teenager that was recently put out by The Source in no way represents who I was then or who I am today."
Attorneys for Em and his Shady Records imprint filed papers for the injunction in Manhattan on Monday, citing copyright infringement. Em is also seeking unspecified damages.
Although many people in the hip-hop community have chosen to either forgive and forget or flat out not get involved in the Eminem fracas, The Source has continued to press the issue, branding Slim Shady a racist and a thief of hip-hop culture and promising an exposé on the rapper. Eminem, meanwhile, dissed Benzino and The Source on tracks that hit the Internet and mixtapes recently (see "Eminem's Benzino Dis Turns Up In The Lab").
A spokesperson at Eminem's label, Interscope, had no comment Wednesday (December 17). A Source spokesperson had no comment on the injunction but said the release of the February issue would not be delayed.
—Shaheem Reid
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1482925/20031217/eminem.jhtml?headlines=true
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damm, dats hella fuced up....benzino need 2 get shot already.......
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*waits for SUV to defend benzino*
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LOL. Em loves to run his mouth, it has caught up with him.
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LOL. Em loves to run his mouth, it has caught up with him.
not really b/c i still see black wearing his clothing company, an when he does release a new album its still goin sell as many as his last album did. so i dont see how it has caught it up with him.
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LOL. Em loves to run his mouth, it has caught up with him.
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I don't understand how anybody sees anything negative in this about Eminem. What he said was bugged out, but it was 10 years ago. Benzino says shit like that about white people every fucking album. This is an obvious attempt by Benzino to salvage his fucked up rap career by dissing the man on top, who just happens to be white. In the end: Eminem can rap, Benzino can't. That's what's going to matter in the end.
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Please, stop justifying Eminem. He made the song. That's the point. Whether it was 10 years ago or yesterday, Eminem still made it. It's his fault. He shouldn't be upset at anyone but himself. I don't give a mad fuck about the tape, just like seeing Eminem squirm.
Benzino's career has been decent. He's an average rapper. True, Em is a better rapper. But, bet, Benzino is a much better producer. He hasn't produced the same beat 20 times over.
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Please, stop justifying Eminem. He made the song. That's the point. Whether it was 10 years ago or yesterday, Eminem still made it. It's his fault. He shouldn't be upset at anyone but himself. I don't give a mad fuck about the tape, just like seeing Eminem squirm.
Benzino's career has been decent. He's an average rapper. True, Em is a better rapper. But, bet, Benzino is a much better producer. He hasn't produced the same beat 20 times over.
no the age doesnt matter...what matters is the state of mind he was under...the fact that his black girlfriend broke up with him...you know that fucked with his mind...i'd be pissed and probably say some shit too because thats the easy way...you're gonna talk shit and if thats the easiest way to do it you'd do it too. i dont consider eminem a racist because of this tape...actually i consider eminem to be one of the least racist rappers in the game.
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no the age doesnt matter...what matters is the state of mind he was under...the fact that his black girlfriend broke up with him...you know that fucked with his mind...i'd be pissed and probably say some shit too because thats the easy way...you're gonna talk shit and if thats the easiest way to do it you'd do it too. i dont consider eminem a racist because of this tape...actually i consider eminem to be one of the least racist rappers in the game.
I never once called him racist. I just said he made the tape, so it's his fault. I'm not black, I take no offense. Like I told you last night, I make plenty of racist remarks, I don't put them on tape though. You record something like that, it's bound to blow up in your face. I have no remorse for him. He was that dumb to record something like that.
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no the age doesnt matter...what matters is the state of mind he was under...the fact that his black girlfriend broke up with him...you know that fucked with his mind...i'd be pissed and probably say some shit too because thats the easy way...you're gonna talk shit and if thats the easiest way to do it you'd do it too. i dont consider eminem a racist because of this tape...actually i consider eminem to be one of the least racist rappers in the game.
I never once called him racist. I just said he made the tape, so it's his fault. I'm not black, I take no offense. Like I told you last night, I make plenty of racist remarks, I don't put them on tape though. You record something like that, it's bound to blow up in your face. I have no remorse for him. He was that dumb to record something like that.
i agree he shouldnt've recorded it...its pointless...your just asking for trouble by doing so....but i think benzino is blowing this way out of proportion. i like benzino's music...always have...but i gotta say...he's a bitch mf
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i agree he shouldnt've recorded it...its pointless...your just asking for trouble by doing so....but i think benzino is blowing this way out of proportion. i like benzino's music...always have...but i gotta say...he's a bitch mf
Benzino is an oppurtunist. He saw a chance to make Em look bad, he went for it. No harm done. It's Em's own fault. Benzino is just releasing a record that Em made, he should be more careful next time.
It's like the Pam and Tommy tape. What do they expect? Someone's bound to get they hands on it. Don't cry when they do, you're a star. Don't be so careless next time.
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I can understand why they doin' it, but the fucked up thing about it is that Benzino & The Source get free publicity.
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I don't understand how anybody sees anything negative in this about Eminem. What he said was bugged out, but it was 10 years ago. Benzino says shit like that about white people every fucking album. This is an obvious attempt by Benzino to salvage his fucked up rap career by dissing the man on top, who just happens to be white. In the end: Eminem can rap, Benzino can't. That's what's going to matter in the end.
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yeah, i know. i'm writing about eminem and that new "scandal" that has apparently hit the public. the 'scandal' where ray benzino has actually held a goddam PRESS CONFERENCE to show the world what a racist bastard eminem is because he said some bad shit about some black girl more than 10 years ago. which, by the way, happened to be a black girl that happened to be cheating on him. yep. 10 goddam years ago. seriously. this benzino guy needs to get off eminems dick. i'm sorry, but people don't deliberately make it their sole mission in life to bring someone down. i just don't understand this benzino guy. first, he rips em and dre out of 5 mic status - not once, not twice, but 5 fucking times. he comes out with some of the whackest rhymes i have ever heard in my life attempting to diss eminem. wow. em rips him to pieces on 'nail in the coffin' - "...if you was really sellin crack/then what the fuck you stop for dummy/ if you slew some crack/ you'd make a lot more money than you do from rap...". and then benzino tells em if he disses him in the source awards, he's going to censor em. now what the fuck is this shit? talk about a fuckin piece of shit. this guy has the nerve to go after someone, multiple times, and backs down and cries whenever that person comes back at him. so mr. benzino thinks it's in good taste to hold a fucking PRESS CONFERENCE to show people a tape, made more than 10 years ago of where eminem used the n-word. benzino uses that word all the time and he's half white himself.
and, i know that i sound like a pathetic little teeny bopper paying attention to public feuds, but my point does not lie there. my point lies with the n-word. i don't get it. i just don't get it. why must this word be any part of the english language? first off, i don't think that this word should be said, anymore, EVER...and if it is decided that it should be said, how the hell can a goddam word be exclusive? and why must rappers use it all the goddam time and expect that only they are allowed to use it? considering the fact that the number of white people that buy rap records FAR OUTWEIGHS the number of black people that buy rap records, why the hell can't the white listeners use the same terminology? i mean, if whites are PAYING for it, why the hell shouldn't they get it? the whole fact that this word is even a part of every day conversation is ridiculous, and the fact that it gets played, all goddam day on the fucking radio and it is used all over music videos and interviews is just disgusting. and THEN, the nerve to tell people that it's an exclusive word is just pathetic.
why is it that the use of this word is just sooo monumental when it comes from a white person? they acted like MARK FUHRMAN was satan himself when they heard a tape where he used it. and in all honesty, i think that that's probably one of the main reasons that OJ was found not-guilty. i mean, what the fuck does one guys vocabulary have to do with a murder trial? and now eminem is catching heat for it. why? because he is WHITE. it doesn't matter that any one of these fucking idiots that has some catchy song uses it, no matter who hears it. it doesn't matter that eminem is probably one of the FIRST men in this day in age to penetrate both sides of the market more EFFECTIVELY than ANYONE before him (except maybe ELVIS, but even there, you can't compare - i don't think events from different time periods are ever comparable). it doesn't matter that he actually says something in his rhymes. it doesn't matter that he sees the way that greed operates. it doesn't matter that he exposes fakes and phonies. it doesn't matter that he has probably got his ass beat, numerous times, for attempting to be a part of the black lifestyle. it doesn't matter that he has caused more young people to look in the mirror and see what's wrong with this world than anyone before PAC. no, appartenly what matters is that once upon a time, when he was at a very difficult time in his life, he said a goddam stupid word (THAT NOBODY SHOULD EVER USE) and now he has apologized for it. actually, he hasn't stooped to the level of fakeness that apologizing for something like that requires - he explained that it was a difficult time in his life and he was angry and hurt. he never said he was sorry. and i don't think he should. and honestly, anyone that cares (or thinks he should apologize) should take a look in the goddam mirror and open up their fucking eyes. fuckin hypocrites.
we should all catch heat for it. anyone who doesn't say it in a productive way should be sued. anyone that uses it in an ignorant way, where kids, (WHITE KIDS and ASIAN KIDS and BLACK KIDS and MEXICAN KIDS), are actually PAYING to hear it, then we can stop pointing the goddam finger. for something so silly as a word that causes so much goddam controversy, you'd think that people would be a little more responsible with it. especially those that point the finger. especially ray benzino. and any one of these black "artists" that think it's ok for them to say it a thousand times with apparently no meaning at all. so i got something for you n-word users: FUCK every rapper that never really said anything when saying it and made money for it. FUCK every single person that says it's a term of "endearment." fuck that shit. how retarded could you possibly be? a word that causes TEARS to fall from old folks is a term of ENDEARMENT? ignorant motherfuckers......
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^everybody who's goin to read this please send me a PM
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svg you dont make much sense... to me it looks like you just hate eminem with passion
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^^LMAO @ the blatant mis-spelling.
What don't you understand sweetie? Need me to break it down? Is it the part that Em recorded the song, so it's his fault?
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lol @ JT...you wanna give a shortened down version of that homie? lol
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people still tryna defend the song!?!?!?!?
damn get over it man, what eminem did was wrong, simple as that, he recorded a racist joint jus cuz he split up with some chick, how weak is that, imma eminem fan but i aint never been a groupie of anyone and i admit, what he did was wrong.........by the way, im black but imma brother, im sho some of our black gals wont be to pleased about this tape muthafuckaz
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people still tryna defend the song!?!?!?!?
damn get over it man, what eminem did was wrong, simple as that, he recorded a racist joint jus cuz he split up with some chick, how weak is that, imma eminem fan but i aint never been a groupie of anyone and i admit, what he did was wrong.........by the way, im black but imma brother, im sho some of our black gals wont be to pleased about this tape muthafuckaz
ROFL...dude you know if some white chick cheated on you you'd probably be all "cot dam krakka azz hoe, we hayte dem whyte bitchiz"
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^^no way dawg, aint no way if i decided to check some white chick, and if she be playin trix am i gon split then diss the fuck outta white gals cuz then id be dissin myself for checkin one in the first place........and to do it on wax would be even mo of a bitch move
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^^no way dawg, aint no way if i decided to check some white chick, and if she be playin trix am i gon split then diss the fuck outta white gals cuz then id be dissin myself for checkin one in the first place........and to do it on wax would be even mo of a bitch move
thats SGV's point...he said some racist shit 10 years ago yes...thats not the reason its his fault...its the fact that he recorded it...why the hell would you record some shit like that...thats retarded and just asking for trouble.
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lol @ JT...you wanna give a shortened down version of that homie? lol
sorry, i actually wrote this as a paper for one of my classes...i just cut it and pasted it, sorry it's so long.
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lol @ JT...you wanna give a shortened down version of that homie? lol
sorry, i actually wrote this as a paper for one of my classes...i just cut it and pasted it, sorry it's so long.
lol its ok i was just givin you crap
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thats SGV's point...he said some racist shit 10 years ago yes...thats not the reason its his fault...its the fact that he recorded it...why the hell would you record some shit like that...thats retarded and just asking for trouble.
Thank you. For everyone giving Eminem a pity party, read the quote. Em is a guilty man in this situation. Sorry kiddies.
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What has me surprised is that evertone I've talked to said that they didn't care about it since it was so old. it was dropped with a big "WHO CARES?"
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If Benzino is so offended by what Eminem said in that song why is he trying to make money off of it by releasing it. To me thats the ultimate hypocrisy in this situation.
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Em was like what... 15? It doesn't matter in this day and age. If we all pull up stupit shit we did when we where 15, then that would make everyone look like a fool. Benzino, using common sense, should have just left it alone. But he didn't. Trying to release it though, that is going too far. I know you got beef, but why try to destroye the man when your making some much money off him. All that has happened is the Source slipping down in popularity and creditability.
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Yes, Eminem was wrong. He is "guilty" as you all say here, and those were some racist remarks. But, that should be it. He did something wrong, he came out and publicly apologized for it, and almost the whole world knows he did it. That's it. He's catching a lot of shit for it and probably lost the respect of some people because of it, so shouldn't that be punishment enough? It is completely immature and ridiculous for Benzino to come out and release this tape for the purpose of hurting Eminem's career and reputation, getting publicity for his name and magazine, and on top of it all, making money off of it.
Most of the people here aren't defending what Eminem said, but they are defending his moral rights in that he did something wrong, apologized for it, and took some damages because of it. There is no reason to drag it out any further, and while I have lost some respect for Em, I have lost every little ounce of respect I had left for Benzino, and consider him one of, if not the most, immature person in the music industry.
As for all of you people defending Benzino, I can't think of one good reason you could be. This is a very simple matter. Em did something dumb 10 years ago. Em lost respect when it came out to the public. Em publicly apologized for it. The end. Benzino dragging it on is absolutely pathetic, especially when it is for his own gain. Ironically, in the end, Benzino will lose more respect for this stunt than Eminem does.
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Ice Cube, WC, 2Pac, Dead Prez have all said fuck whitey.
Where's the outrage there?
Oh yeah, I forgot about White man's guilt ::)
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Ice Cube, WC, 2Pac, Dead Prez have all said fuck whitey.
Where's the outrage there?
Oh yeah, I forgot about White man's guilt ::)
More often than not, Black to White racism is a direct response to White to Black racism. I'm not saying I agree with that, but that's likely the reason.
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Ice Cube, WC, 2Pac, Dead Prez have all said fuck whitey.
Where's the outrage there?
Oh yeah, I forgot about White man's guilt ::)
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I'll put it this way. You got to have respect for your peers. Em is in a business that's dominated by blacks. The point is, NOW Em has respect, at the time he made the song he didn't. If Cube and them were in a business dominated by whites, then their lyrics would be targeted like Ems are.
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Who gives a flying fuck if he actually made the song, who cares.
If Eminem put out a song that was racist now and if it was dope I would still bump it and rap along with it and shit just like I am sure many black people would if ice cube, dre, wc, snoop, kurupt, daz, jay z, nas or any other black aritist released a song dissing white people. I know this, it wouldent stop me, being a white person myself, from listening to and enjoying the song.
So what its been classed as a racist song but who gives a fuck, really. In the most part it was prob aimed at his ex girlfriend and this is before he had blown the fuck up, he had nobody to appeal too, he was just doing his thing, I am sure if you raided any famous rappers old tapes that where made before they had become rich and succesful then you would find much worse than this stupid tape.
Black people are so fucking annoying, racism doesn't work one way. You need to tell all of your black race to stop being racist towards white people and then maybe whites would stop being racist towards blacks.
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More often than not, Black to White racism is a direct response to White to Black racism. I'm not saying I agree with that, but that's likely the reason.
I'll put it this way. You got to have respect for your peers. Em is in a business that's dominated by blacks. The point is, NOW Em has respect, at the time he made the song he didn't. If Cube and them were in a business dominated by whites, then their lyrics would be targeted like Ems are.
both of ur statements are just explanations, not justification, u have to admit it's wrong, no matter whether it's his own fault, which it is, or not
no matter who's dominating or who's just being racist cuz he experienced racism against his own race, it's still wrong to make such a big deal out of a racist track by a white person when worse tracks been released by plenty of blacks and nobody has said shit
as for Lincoln's point, Em experienced alot 'black to white racism' too when he wasn't big, which may be another reason for the lyrics on the tape, but that doesn't justify shit and neither does it the other way
I ain't trippin about those disses to whites and I'm still listening to it but if u are trippin then do it both ways, no double standarts..
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^^I don't care either way as long as they ain't speaking on Latinos. That's why I lost respect for Scarface. But, nobody can justify what Em said, nobody can justify why Em shouldn't have said it. I just think Em should've had more respect than that for the Black community, since he was making BLACK music. The people who dish out the disses towards Whites, usually they're politically driven, dead prez, Cube, PE, etc. Does that make it justifiable? Nope. But, Blacks have faced FAR MORE racism from whites than whites have from Blacks. That's a fact. There is much more frustration in the Black and Latino communities over racism than there is in the white communities.
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^^I don't care either way as long as they ain't speaking on Latinos. That's why I lost respect for Scarface. But, nobody can justify what Em said, nobody can justify why Em shouldn't have said it. I just think Em should've had more respect than that for the Black community, since he was making BLACK music. The people who dish out the disses towards Whites, usually they're politically driven, dead prez, Cube, PE, etc. Does that make it justifiable? Nope. But, Blacks have faced FAR MORE racism from whites than whites have from Blacks. That's a fact. There is much more frustration in the Black and Latino communities over racism than there is in the white communities.
2 points I disagree with, the 1rst is that I don't see why it's worse to diss blacks than to diss whites just cuz u a rapper and blacks started/dominate hiphop.. to me it's all the same plus he was dissing black females so if u think that's an argument u might aswell say it wasn't the females who started hiphop and who dominate it so fuck it
the 2nd is I think it's wrong to care about disses to ur own race when u don't care about others
If someone was dissing Asians cuz he has bad experiences with certain Asians I would think that's dumb/wrong (just like I do in Em's, Cube's, .. case) but still listen to it cuz I'd see what made him do it and even though it's wrong I'd understand
imo u should either care about all or none cuz there's not a single generally acceptable reason to make a difference about latinos or whoever
as for blacks having a reason to be more frustrated about racism, of course that's a fact, but who knows whether Em or Cube was more often discriminated against.. nobody does, and the discrimination of the past isn't Em's fault and doesn't give Cube more right to diss whites than Em has to diss blacks
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None of the comments are better or worse, but Em's just comes off as harsher considering the music business he's in. I don't feel bad for him because he made the song. His friends were black and he made the song. That's the point I'm trying to make. I don't care either way what Em or Cube or any of them say about Blacks and Whites, I'm neither. It doesn't affect me. But, when people like Scarface, who had many Latino fans, starts refering to us as Wetbacks, I take offense. It's ignorant.
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None of the comments are better or worse, but Em's just comes off as harsher considering the music business he's in. I don't feel bad for him because he made the song. His friends were black and he made the song. That's the point I'm trying to make. I don't care either way what Em or Cube or any of them say about Blacks and Whites, I'm neither. It doesn't affect me. But, when people like Scarface, who had many Latino fans, starts refering to us as Wetbacks, I take offense. It's ignorant.
I like Ice Cube and we all know he has a shit load of white fans but he keeps saying cracker, white devil, europeon.
I take offense to that.
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everybody who disses Em for this recording should destroy all his Ice Cube CDs right now if he has not yet.
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any Ice Cube CDs left? yes? Hypocrites.
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I like Ice Cube and we all know he has a shit load of white fans but he keeps saying cracker, white devil, europeon.
I take offense to that.
Then the choice is yours. Do you want to support someone that offends you?
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I like Ice Cube and we all know he has a shit load of white fans but he keeps saying cracker, white devil, europeon.
I take offense to that.
Then the choice is yours. Do you want to support someone that offends you?
My problem is that I don't understand what the fuck he's talking about. In one record he's screaming fuck whitey and then the next song he's rockin with Korn.
Then I see him laughing it up with the white guys on his movie set. wtf is going on Cube?
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How the fuck is this different than Pac yelling "Fuck all you white people?"