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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: quik4life on December 23, 2003, 11:24:07 AM
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sup
i just recently posted a song that i found and it turned out to be a homemade remix...DJ Quik's 'Hand in Hand Remix' has the same (or close to it) beat as Knoc-turn'al's 'LA Nite N Day'.....
Does anybody know who produced the Knocturnal version????.....cause if it was dre, then we could compare dre's production with that of quik's....they both used the same sample.....who do you think did the better job?
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wasnt it battlecat?
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Knoc did the beat.
By the way, Quik is better than Dre.
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damn ur right..
"produced by knocturnal and s-dog for la confidential productions"
what did battlecat produce for knoc on that first sampler we got way back?
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I don't know. Only thing I know is who produced "L.A. Nite & Day," that was like my favorite song for months. I wouldn't bump much else on the Knoc CD.
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Knoc did the beat.
By the way, Quik is better than Dre.
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
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Knoc did the beat.
By the way, Quik is better than Dre.
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
Chris Botti is a trumpetist. If Dre does the beat to "The last three minutes" by Chris Botti, he is only adding the beat, the trumpet section (which is all the "real" music in the song) is made by Botti. So that could make you begin to see that Dre aint as musical as Quik.
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Knoc did the beat.
By the way, Quik is better than Dre.
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
Chris Botti is a trumpetist. If Dre does the beat to "The last three minutes" by Chris Botti, he is only adding the beat, the trumpet section (which is all the "real" music in the song) is made by Botti. So that could make you begin to see that Dre aint as musical as Quik.
Okay, Dre wrote the music for the track with Burt Bacharach (who is a legend in contempory songwriting) and after they had written it, dre's music team sent a demo of it to Chris who just played the trumpet part exactly as it was on the demo, as in how dre & burt wrote it, he did not improvise it or change it himself. And Quik does not play every instrument he uses either.
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Knoc did the beat.
By the way, Quik is better than Dre.
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
Chris Botti is a trumpetist. If Dre does the beat to "The last three minutes" by Chris Botti, he is only adding the beat, the trumpet section (which is all the "real" music in the song) is made by Botti. So that could make you begin to see that Dre aint as musical as Quik.
you sure dre didnt play the trumpet on that? since thats what dre plays...
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I would have to say Quik on this one. Trouble was one of the baddest sounding beats Ive ever heard ;D
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I would have to say Quik on this one. Trouble was one of the baddest sounding beats Ive ever heard ;D
I'd agree. Quik is better. DJ Quik would never say he's better than dre since he tends to be humble most of the time.
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what did battlecat produce for knoc on that first sampler we got way back?
whatcha gonna do
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which version came out first...knocturnal's or dj quik's????
az
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DJ Quik would never say he's better than dre since he tends to be humble most of the time.
Humble, yet honest..
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Knoc did the beat.
By the way, Quik is better than Dre.
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
Chris Botti is a trumpetist. If Dre does the beat to "The last three minutes" by Chris Botti, he is only adding the beat, the trumpet section (which is all the "real" music in the song) is made by Botti. So that could make you begin to see that Dre aint as musical as Quik.
you sure dre didnt play the trumpet on that? since thats what dre plays...
I did not say Dre didnt play the trumpet (which is obvious). I said he didnt write that part.
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Knoc did the beat.
By the way, Quik is better than Dre.
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
Chris Botti is a trumpetist. If Dre does the beat to "The last three minutes" by Chris Botti, he is only adding the beat, the trumpet section (which is all the "real" music in the song) is made by Botti. So that could make you begin to see that Dre aint as musical as Quik.
you sure dre didnt play the trumpet on that? since thats what dre plays...
I did not say Dre didnt play the trumpet (which is obvious). I said he didnt write that part.
Why did you ignore my second post?
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I think generally Dre shits on Quik, but Quik has a few songs that are better than anything Dre's done in years, like "Can't go Wrong" on Kurupt's old album was better than than anything on 2001, in my opinion.
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Quik is a better producer in everyway. Quik saying Dre is better than him is out of respect. Quik is a very humble person who doesn't have to toot his own horn. He doesn't need to say he's better than Dre, his music shows that.
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Quik is waay better than DRE......it can all be summed up by the way he puts the Guitar in his tracks (Trouble, Get Flipped [roscoe])....and the tonite remix is insane....
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lol @all the pathetic explanations for Quik admitting Dre's better
Quik done dissed Dre, he's obviously not someone who'll give props to someone just for the fact that he's a legend or something
he could have said "we just different, everybody got his own style, u can't really tell for a fact who's better" or something like that, but he didn't and he had a reason not to
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lol @all the pathetic explanations for Quik admitting Dre's better
Quik done dissed Dre, he's obviously not someone who'll give props to someone just for the fact that he's a legend or something
he could have said "we just different, everybody got his own style, u can't really tell for a fact who's better" or something like that, but he didn't and he had a reason not to
LMAO @ this pathetic explanation. It's called being a humble person. He knows that would cause a lot of static and Quik is beyond that. Sure he's dissed Dre, but that's because he felt Dre dissed him. That's done and overwith.
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Also, Quik has already seen what happens when someone admits that they're superior than Dre. He begins to cry and then sends his goons to diss them. Example, JD. So, why even say it? You won't be beefing with Dre. Quik'll end up beefing with Eminem, Game, 50, and anyone else on Aftermath. Though, Quik would end up killing them in the end, I doubt he even wants to bother with that.
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Also, Quik has already seen what happens when someone admits that they're superior than Dre. He begins to cry and then sends his goons to diss them. Example, JD. So, why even say it? You won't be beefing with Dre. Quik'll end up beefing with Eminem, Game, 50, and anyone else on Aftermath. Though, Quik would end up killing them in the end, I doubt he even wants to bother with that.
yeah he lyrically shits all over Em..
he said that after he collaborated with Dre, u think Dre's gonna diss him for sayin he thinks he's better in certain aspects? pleaz.. JD said Dre could never do what he does + Aftermath wasn't a real label.. that's a disrespectfull comment, not just stating one's opinion like it would be in Quik's case
and like I said before, Quik didn't even have to say he's better, he could've said they're the same or they're just different or whatever.. a producer does NOT have to say Dre's superior to prevent Dre dissing him.. I hope for ur own sake u don't really believe that urself lol
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yeah he lyrically shits all over Em..
"Dollaz n Sense" is better than any Em diss track. Believe it. Lyrics don't make you better in a battle. Ex: LL and Canibus.
he said that after he collaborated with Dre, u think Dre's gonna diss him for sayin he thinks he's better in certain aspects? pleaz.. JD said Dre could never do what he does + Aftermath wasn't a real label.. that's a disrespectfull comment, not just stating one's opinion like it would be in Quik's case
Of course, now they're friends. Which will humble Quik more. Dre has a big head, tell me he doesn't. JD was saying Dre couldn't do what he's done. Ex: Produce a multiplatinum group while still in his teens. Aftermath isn't really a label, seeing as Jimmy Iovine runs it. So, JD was just pointing out the truth. Not disrespectful.
and like I said before, Quik didn't even have to say he's better, he could've said they're the same or they're just different or whatever.. a producer does NOT have to say Dre's superior to prevent Dre dissing him.. I hope for ur own sake u don't really believe that urself lol
I guess you don't understand the concept of being humble. Why does Quik have to admit he's better than Dre? Why does that matter? It's his music that makes him better. But, it's a fact, you say something about Dre, his goons will diss you. It's been like that from the start. Snoop, Kurupt, Daz etc. to Eminem and Xzibit. Diss Dre and you get a bunch of people who got shit to do with it jump on your back. I hope for your sake you understand that Dre doesn't handle shit on his own.
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yeah he lyrically shits all over Em..
"Dollaz n Sense" is better than any Em diss track. Believe it. Lyrics don't make you better in a battle. Ex: LL and Canibus.
just cuz he has one classic diss track doesn't mean he's da man when it coems to diss tracks.. since we don't know how the track will turn out, all we can judge is their lyrical ability.. Fuck Wit Dre Day was an all time classic that not many can fuck wit, yet Say What U Say ain't... might be the same with Quik, fact is Em has better chances to win a battle cuz he's lyrically on another level and that's all we know about that cuz they never dissed each other
he said that after he collaborated with Dre, u think Dre's gonna diss him for sayin he thinks he's better in certain aspects? pleaz.. JD said Dre could never do what he does + Aftermath wasn't a real label.. that's a disrespectfull comment, not just stating one's opinion like it would be in Quik's case
Of course, now they're friends. Which will humble Quik more. Dre has a big head, tell me he doesn't. JD was saying Dre couldn't do what he's done. Ex: Produce a multiplatinum group while still in his teens. Aftermath isn't really a label, seeing as Jimmy Iovine runs it. So, JD was just pointing out the truth. Not disrespectful.
Iovine has the last word in case they disagree on something, that doesn't mean he's running the label, it wasn't him who signed Em, Game, etc.. fact is Dre signes who he wants to sign and he's sucessfull and he makes money and Aftermath got hella fans, so yes it is a real label.. If JD thought it ain't it's still disrespectfull to say it, don't u think Snoop would diss somebody for sayin he's fake g even though it's probably true..? everybody disses people for dissing them, that's not just Dre.. but sayin u think u's a better overall producer (giving reasons) ain't a diss, long as u make clear it's just ur opinion and u ain't puttin the other one down in any way
and like I said before, Quik didn't even have to say he's better, he could've said they're the same or they're just different or whatever.. a producer does NOT have to say Dre's superior to prevent Dre dissing him.. I hope for ur own sake u don't really believe that urself lol
I guess you don't understand the concept of being humble. Why does Quik have to admit he's better than Dre? Why does that matter? It's his music that makes him better.
for the reason I just mentioned he doesn't have to reason not to say he's better.. u say his music makes him better, well I say it doesn't and many others would agree, so it ain't easy as that, plus Quik is pissed about being underrated so it's not like he doesn't give a fuck..
But, it's a fact, you say something about Dre, his goons will diss you. It's been like that from the start. Snoop, Kurupt, Daz etc. to Eminem and Xzibit. Diss Dre and you get a bunch of people who got shit to do with it jump on your back. I hope for your sake you understand that Dre doesn't handle shit on his own.
back when he beefed with Ruthless there was many peeps against him being on his own, so there ain't no problem with Snoop etc stepping in
and Dre sure didn't tell X and Em to diss JD, they probably wanted to do it (X was about to drop his album so it was promotion too plus he said he has always disliked JD anyway)
anyway, that wasn't even my point, I didn't say shit about him handling shit by his own, so what u bringin that up for..?
What I'm sayin is he woudln't even want to diss him, cuz there wouldn't be no reason.. Dre ain't all about beefing, look at all the fools dissing him and look at the number of his/his peeps' disses.. he doesn't give a fuck about most of 'em and he doesn't have many disstracks considering the time he's been in the game and all the peeps that dissed him
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Quik has plenty more than just one tight diss record. "Let U Havit" "Can't Fuck Wit A Nigga" "U Ain't Fresh" etc.
Just because you're more lyrical, that doesn't give you an advantage. And, to bring up "Dre Day" and "Say What You Say" is laughable. "Dre Day" was probably written by D.O.C. and Snoop, while the other was written by Em. Not Dre. If lyrics meant you'd win, then Canibus would've man handled LL. Eminem would've made Ja look like a fool. Em would've stopped Benzino's attacks completely. But, to no avail, it's about passion and heart that you write with. Something Quik has always shown.
I believe JD said he liked Timbo and Dre, but they couldn't do what he did. That's not a diss. Dre got his thong in a twist and got all pissy. Then he sent out his goons. Which is why I said Dre doesn't handle beefs solo. Hence why not many people want to get involved in a beef with Dre, as it won't be a beef with Dre.
Yes, Quik hates being so underrated and he states it. Yet, he stays on the humble about his skills and those around him. He'd like to get his props, but he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it.
When Paul Wall said Chamillion is better than him in a verse, the next verse Chamill said Paul Wall was better than him and called it a tie. That's being humble. Chamill knows he's better Paul Wall, it's a fact. But, he stayed on the humble. So, you're going to tell me, because Chamill stayed humble that Paul Wall is infact better? Please. (It sounds like I'm off topic, but it ties in with what I'm proving).
For the exception of C'Style, Realest and Swoop G, Dre has dissed everyone that has dissed him. Luke, Eazy, Cube, Tim Dog, Ja Rule etc.
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Just because you're more lyrical, that doesn't give you an advantage
u can't be serious..
it doesn't automatically make u the winner but it sure as fuck does give u an advantage
and bezino should never ever dare to come back cuz he's been clowned and buried big time but the fact is he ain't even got no pride, he'll always come back, it doesn't even matter at all how superior Em is and how much better his diss tracks are.. he's looking for attention and nothin will stop his sorry ass
and the fact that Dre Day and Say What U say is written by different people doesn't make it a bad example cuz it's the same artist and none of both is a lyrical masterpiece, but it's rapped and produced by the same artist and still the one is nothing like the other
and Quik's other disst racks aren't close to dollaz n sense which proves my point
and please stop talkin like u was Quik or he told u his real resons for what he said, u don't know nothin and all u doin is guessing, sayin "he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it" is bullshit, how do u know he knows it? u don't, all we know is what he says and he says Dre is better
Chamill ain't Quik, and if he's obviously better than Chamill then he is, in that case it's obvious then, but in Quik's / Dre's case it ain't, many people who know both would say Dre is better so when it's close and Quik sais Dre's better, that's a completely different thing than when somebody who's obviously better said it in return of the other one giving him props..
Dre never said Quik is better than him, and Chamill probably woudln't have said it either if that other guy didn't start giving him props.. Quik has no reason to give Dre the props back that he gave to him
and there've been CJ Mack, ICP and many more who dissed Dre and never got a response, it's not just the fools from Fuck Dre.. he was different back in tha day but eversince he left Death Row he didn't give a fuck no more
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Quik worked with Dre and was talking about how amazing Dre is in the studio. I think he was being sincere, that doesn't mean that Dre IS better than Quik, it just means Quik thinks so.
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u can't be serious..
it doesn't automatically make u the winner but it sure as fuck does give u an advantage
You may think so. I don't. Look at Ja, Nelly, LL. They all took their more advanced opponents and still stood strong.
and bezino should never ever dare to come back cuz he's been clowned and buried big time but the fact is he ain't even got no pride, he'll always come back, it doesn't even matter at all how superior Em is and how much better his diss tracks are.. he's looking for attention and nothin will stop his sorry ass
A good diss record will stop someone. Obviously Em's weren't that great.
and the fact that Dre Day and Say What U say is written by different people doesn't make it a bad example cuz it's the same artist and none of both is a lyrical masterpiece, but it's rapped and produced by the same artist and still the one is nothing like the other
The fact that he produced em don't mean shit. A beat doesn't win a battle. Written by two different people, different styles, different passion. POINTLESS TO BRING UP.
and Quik's other disst racks aren't close to dollaz n sense which proves my point
Those diss records are all hard. Solid diss records, what did you prove?
and please stop talkin like u was Quik or he told u his real resons for what he said, u don't know nothin and all u doin is guessing, sayin "he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it" is bullshit, how do u know he knows it? u don't, all we know is what he says and he says Dre is better
Flip the question back to you, how do you that he needs to hear he's the best? You're just guessing and speculating as well. Kill that noise.
Chamill ain't Quik, and if he's obviously better than Chamill then he is, in that case it's obvious then, but in Quik's / Dre's case it ain't, many people who know both would say Dre is better so when it's close and Quik sais Dre's better, that's a completely different thing than when somebody who's obviously better said it in return of the other one giving him props..
Yet again, you're skipping around. I was showing that Chamill is being a humble cat by giving props to someone lesser. Same with Quik. They don't have to constantly put everyone down to prove how dope they are. Their skills show it. Fact.
Dre never said Quik is better than him, and Chamill probably woudln't have said it either if that other guy didn't start giving him props.. Quik has no reason to give Dre the props back that he gave to him
Dre ain't humble. That's a fact.
and there've been CJ Mack, ICP and many more who dissed Dre and never got a response, it's not just the fools from Fuck Dre.. he was different back in tha day but eversince he left Death Row he didn't give a fuck no more
He had Hittman diss CJ Mac, so yea.
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^^nah, Hittman spoke on him cuz he was dissed by him himself, not cuz he dissed Dre
How will a good diss track stop Benzino? if he doesn't give a fuck he doesn't.. he can record whatever he wants to, it should stop him but he doesn't (want to) realize that he's finished..
Nail In The Coffin and The Sauce are doubtless (that's not just mine, but pretty much everybody's opinion) good diss tracks that should stop benzino if it was even possible to stop him..
Dre Day wasn't special lyrically, what counts is the points Dre brings up and he's the one who told the ghostwriter which points to bring up and what to write about, what the ghostwriter did was basically puttin it in rhyme form and that's not what the track is about, same goes for Say What U Say, and the rest (production, flow) was done by Dre as well so both had pretty much the same chance to be classic
Quik's disses aren't classic, what did i prove? that the fact that Quik did one classic diss record doesn't mean he's gonna be able to do it again
plus I consider Nail In The Coffin a better diss than these 2
I ain't guessing shit, I'm stating facts.. fact is Quik said Dre is better [fact is not that Quik only did it cuz he's humble, that's a guess] I don't have to guess on whether he has to hear he's the best or not, since none of us knows what's going on in his mind.. I can't and I don't have to prove what's goin on in his mind, it's not possible, get this already.. the only fact we got is what Quik says
anything else is speculation
sayin his skills prove that he's better isn't getting us anywhere cuz that's exactly what we disagree on.. we can't talk about truth, and we aren't debating on who's the better producer.. I think Dre's better, I'm not saying that's a fact.. I'm saiying Quik thinkin Dre's better is a fact and I base that on Quik's own statement..
u are saying Quik isn't telling the truth and u base it on what..? on some other dude who is doing the same shit Quik is doing according to u.. that's not a prove at all (plus the 2 u named aren't even on the same level while Dre and Quik are & the dude just gave the props back cuz it would be kinda corny to say "yeah he's right I'm better", but that's not what Quik is doing, he said it out of his own motivation without Dre being even involved)
what u are sayin is Quik thinks he himself is better
prove? -none.. just speculation (an example that doesn't directly have anythign to do with Quik is not a prove)
what I'm saying is Quik thinks Dre's better
prove? Quik himself sais it
^^u think there are other reasons for him sayin it <-- again speculation.. it's all speculation, the only fact is what Quik has actually said
when u answer to this post please don't forget what we're talking about, which is not who's better but what Quik thinks who's better
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Fact: Quik a humble person.
Fact: Humble people don't pump themselves up.
Fact: Me & You don't know if Quik was being humble or not.
Fact: Dre isn't a humble person, he'd never be able to admit that he's 2nd best.
Fact: Dre comes up with the ideas, but it's the way it's written and said that matters. Hence why you're points are pointless
Fact: "Dollaz n Sense" will always have more impact than any diss Em drops.
Fact: Quik's diss records may not all be classic, neither are Ems.
Fact: Classic records don't make you better, but they show what you're capable of.
Fact: Lyrics don't make you a better battler.
Fact: Quik saying Dre's better doesn't mean Dre is in actuality better.
Question: Quik said El Debarge is like Mozart(I believe), since you seem to think what he says is truth, is that true?
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Fact: Me & You don't know if Quik was being humble or not.
that's exactly what I'm saying.. we don't know, so we can't say it.. all we know is what he said.. not what he might have actually meant
so when it comes to the question whether he thinks he or Dre is the better producer we'll have to go by what he said
anything else is speculation
Fact: Dre comes up with the ideas, but it's the way it's written and said that matters. Hence why you're points are pointless
there's nothing special about the way it's said, I coulda written that, what's making it a good diss is the points, what's making it good music is the beat/flow, both together make it a classic diss track, both is done by Dre, same goes for Say What U Say
Fact: "Dollaz n Sense" will always have more impact than any diss Em drops.
Fact: Classic records don't make you better, but they show what you're capable of.
the impact of a diss track of the past ain't got shit to do with whether Quik or Em would win in a battle
Fact: Quik's diss records may not all be classic, neither are Ems.
so how come u claim to know Quik would end up killing Em in a battle?
Fact: Lyrics don't make you a better battler.
false, u can start a poll or whatever, lyrical skill does give u an advantage when it comes to battlin, there's not even a doubt about it
Fact: Quik saying Dre's better doesn't mean Dre is in actuality better.
Fact: I never said it does
I said it means Quik thinks Dre's better, and that's what we talkin about, not who actually is better, cuz that's opinion
Question: Quik said El Debarge is like Mozart(I believe), since you seem to think what he says is truth, is that true?
again.. I don't say what Quik says it the truth, I say Quik has no reason not to tell what he really thinks, I dunno about what he said about mozart, if he did say it I believe he thinks it's true.. that's all that matters
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You can put together a "Dre Day" caliber diss? Lets see. Do it. If not, then your point is not valid.
No classic tracks DON'T make you better, but they show what you're capable of. Quik is capable of making another "Dollaz N Sense," I'm almost sure of it.
If lyrical skill gives you an edge, why did Ja do so good against Em? Why did LL beat Canibus? Why did Nelly even get props when he battled KRS? Shouldn't those three have been crushed by your thought process?
I was actually talking about Quik being better than Dre, in general. Not what Quik thought. I was just merely stating Quik is humble. Which is fact.
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You can put together a "Dre Day" caliber diss? Lets see. Do it. If not, then your point is not valid.
lyrically, I can, if Dre tells me what to say
u don't expect me to write up a diss (to who?) right now do u..
plus like I said Dre told the ghostwriter what to write about and what points to bring up, who's tellin me..?
fact is Quik did disses which weren't classic so u can't tell if he's capable of doing it now, yet u claimed he would destroy Em.. it's the impact and the musical aspect that make Dollaz n Sense a classic in a way Em's diss can't be.. if it was just about how bad each diss destroyed the one they supposed to destroy, Quik's disses (including Dollas N Sense) ain't better than Em's
If Nelly got props in his KRS beef I missed it, he doesn't get any from me for the 2 disses I heard
the reason Ja gets props is cuz it's way above his average and everybody was pretty suprised.. if u take away the expactations (which were very high in Em's case, especially after the benzino beef, and low as it gets in Ja's case) Ja still clearly lost
lol @all the pathetic explanations for Quik admitting Dre's better
Quik done dissed Dre, he's obviously not someone who'll give props to someone just for the fact that he's a legend or something
he could have said "we just different, everybody got his own style, u can't really tell for a fact who's better" or something like that, but he didn't and he had a reason not to
LMAO @ this pathetic explanation. It's called being a humble person. He knows that would cause a lot of static and Quik is beyond that. Sure he's dissed Dre, but that's because he felt Dre dissed him. That's done and overwith.
Yet, he stays on the humble about his skills and those around him. He'd like to get his props, but he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it.
^^this was about what Quik thinks from the start, not who is actually better (and u know this too, did I even mention a single argument saying Dre IS better? nah) and u did say Quik 'lied' when he said Dre was better like u knew it for a fact
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lyrically, I can, if Dre tells me what to say
u don't expect me to write up a diss (to who?) right now do u..
plus like I said Dre told the ghostwriter what to write about and what points to bring up, who's tellin me..?
Take what Dre said in "Say What You Say" and make it classic. Let's see if you can. It'll be the same as Dre telling you. C'mon.
fact is Quik did disses which weren't classic so u can't tell if he's capable of doing it now, yet u claimed he would destroy Em.. it's the impact and the musical aspect that make Dollaz n Sense a classic in a way Em's diss can't be.. if it was just about how bad each diss destroyed the one they supposed to destroy, Quik's disses (including Dollas N Sense) ain't better than Em's
Look at where Eiht's career is. Quik pretty much helped destroy it. Eiht's name is forever followed by that famous line. While, Benzino is still riding the sucess of "Rock The Party" and watching the buzz of The Untouchables grow. He has not been destroyed. People think Benzino, they think Racist. Everlast, he don't rap no more, and he stopped rapping by the time Em dissed him. He still is critically acclaimed. Not destroyed. ICP still has the hugest following around. Not destroyed.
If Nelly got props in his KRS beef I missed it, he doesn't get any from me for the 2 disses I heard
the reason Ja gets props is cuz it's way above his average and everybody was pretty suprised.. if u take away the expactations (which were very high in Em's case, especially after the benzino beef, and low as it gets in Ja's case) Ja still clearly lost
Nelly got props for even coming with some good punches against KRS. KRS was sloppy in that beef. His punches weren't strong until "Ova Here," which came later. Ja murdered Em in this battle. Sorry to say, but he got Em. Em's disses were he was gonna stomp Ja, NOT HOT. Being lyrically better makes you think that you could take someone out without trying. Hence what Em and KR did. Being lyrically inclined, Nelly and Ja, they had to step up and prove themselves.
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
That quote sparked this. I said Quik is better than Dre, he brought up Quik's admitting Dre being better. That had nothing to do with what I said, as both are opinion.
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IMO Both are superb producers. There are great arguments both ways. It's useless arguing over something like this because at the calibur both porducers are at, you're never gonna get a firm answer one way or another.
Quik's better tho ;D
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Take what Dre said in "Say What You Say" and make it classic. Let's see if you can. It'll be the same as Dre telling you. C'mon.
the jd diss didn't have that many good points, that's (taking the musical aspect away) exactly the reason it couldn't be classic.. so what would be the point of rewriting the same points?
Look at where Eiht's career is. Quik pretty much helped destroy it. Eiht's name is forever followed by that famous line. While, Benzino is still riding the sucess of "Rock The Party" and watching the buzz of The Untouchables grow. He has not been destroyed. People think Benzino, they think Racist. Everlast, he don't rap no more, and he stopped rapping by the time Em dissed him. He still is critically acclaimed. Not destroyed. ICP still has the hugest following around. Not destroyed.
how do u know who ended up with more damage in the end, fact is nobody respects Benzino while MC Eiht still got hella respect..
whenever Benzino comes up with another attempt to get at Em i see people quoting Em "let it go dawg, it's over".. so it's evident everybody remembers Em ripping him
of course u can't expect all benzino fans to stop being fans cuz Benzino's been shitted on.. that ain't the case in the Eiht/Quik beef either
Nelly got props for even coming with some good punches against KRS. KRS was sloppy in that beef. His punches weren't strong until "Ova Here," which came later. Ja murdered Em in this battle. Sorry to say, but he got Em. Em's disses were he was gonna stomp Ja, NOT HOT. Being lyrically better makes you think that you could take someone out without trying. Hence what Em and KR did. Being lyrically inclined, Nelly and Ja, they had to step up and prove themselves.
right.. that's the reason he got props then.. cuz he came up with something at all.. not cuz he won cuz he surely didn't
same goes for Ja, the difference is that many people hate Em anyway so they thankfull for every chance to put him down, and u know u one of the peeps who's definatly not 'sorry to say' it.. other than that one line about Hailie Ja didn't come up with anything special plus he was threatening all the time which is just pathetic considering the fact that everybody knows he never did and never will do shit
d/l The Last Three Times by Chris Botti and you might begin to see that Dre can be just as musical as Quik. And Quik admits Dre is better.
That quote sparked this. I said Quik is better than Dre, he brought up Quik's admitting Dre being better. That had nothing to do with what I said, as both are opinion.
^^that wasn't my quote, my post was refering to nothin but what Quik said + the explanations everyone was tryin to give and that aren't based on shit but speculations
and u were wone of those saying Quik knows it.
--> u were one of those making a fact out of pure speculation
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You claim you could write a classic, so write it. Take what Dre said and re-write it or don't claim shit you can't do.
Benz is not respected anymore because he kept pulling the race card and is obsessed with Em. I don't think Benzino and automatically think "Nail In The Coffin." I think The Source, Racist etc. I'm pretty sure a lot of people do too.
Like I said, Eiht is followed by that quote. Which isn't positive for him. It will always follow him around.
Nelly had nice punches, whether he won or lost, which is the latter, he still came with it. You can get props and still lose.
Ja wasn't going at Em only, he was dissing so many people so the bars he threw at Em, IMO, really counted. It's vice versa. You're happy to see Ja put down, so don't pull that card, you're EQUALLY as bias. Also, if "it's pathetic" for Ja to threaten Em, what is it when Em threatens Ja? Because he hasn't really proved much with his threats. He still ain't banked Benzino.
Quik wants his props, so there's a reason. You'd have to consider yourself very good to really want the props that Quik wants. That's why I speculate Quik know's he's the best.
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IMO Both Quik & Dre are on the same level. But dre gets more recognition. They both produce the 'traditional' way. Both use live instruments, and don't record digitally. Both use musicians, both use ghost producers or co-producers. IMO, quik is more musical, but dre's got the ear for quality.
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You claim you could write a classic, so write it. Take what Dre said and re-write it or don't claim shit you can't do.
Benz is not respected anymore because he kept pulling the race card and is obsessed with Em. I don't think Benzino and automatically think "Nail In The Coffin." I think The Source, Racist etc. I'm pretty sure a lot of people do too.
Like I said, Eiht is followed by that quote. Which isn't positive for him. It will always follow him around.
Nelly had nice punches, whether he won or lost, which is the latter, he still came with it. You can get props and still lose.
Ja wasn't going at Em only, he was dissing so many people so the bars he threw at Em, IMO, really counted. It's vice versa. You're happy to see Ja put down, so don't pull that card, you're EQUALLY as bias. Also, if "it's pathetic" for Ja to threaten Em, what is it when Em threatens Ja? Because he hasn't really proved much with his threats. He still ain't banked Benzino.
I claim the lyrics is not what this classic we talkin bout is about, that's the reason I claim i could write it.. not cuz I'm a classic writer but cuz the lyrics weren't great
the text alone is NOT classic, it's the text in combination with the great musical aspect and the truth in the points that were brought up.. I could rewrite the eazy diss and, and if Dre n Snoop would flow them over that beat back n tha day it would still be a classic.. that's what I'm saying
what counted were the points and the music and I can't turn the few points of that jd diss to a classic
I don't think Eiht, "Dollaz N Sense" either.. that ain't no argument at all cuz everybody got their own associations, personally I do associate Benzino with Nail In The Coffin cuz I never been a fan/cared about him
I sure ain't sad about Ja getting clowned but I'm not waiting for a chance to say 'Ja lost', cuz he's been wack for years now.. the Em haters, even though he's a good battle mc hate him, so if there's a battle that dissappointed everybody including the fans, it's obvious the haters are gonna jump up and be all like "Em came off so wack, he clearly lost" n shit.. ignoring the fact that Ja being better than usual and Em being wacker than usual doesn't automatically mean Ja won.. ignoring the fact that You can get props and still lose. "
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Quik wants his props, so there's a reason. You'd have to consider yourself very good to really want the props that Quik wants. That's why I speculate Quik know's he's the best.
LoL what kind of a reason is that, please..
he knows he deserves props.. so what? everybody knows he deserves mad props, I do and I still think Dre's even better..
^^and accoring to Quik himself he sees it exactly the way I do^^
it doesn't mean he thinks he deserves more props than anybody else.. that's all speculation again
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LMAO. Just say that you bullshitted and can't write a classic. It's not that easy. Take the "truth" and "points" Dre made on "Say What You Say" and make it classic. It's the same as Dre telling you. Because that was just a stupid ass comment.
When fans of an artist don't give props to that artist, and give props to the one he's battling, who won? While you can get props even if you lose, usually fans of the opposite emcee will never give props to the loser.
Listen to the way Quik talks and how frustrated he gets when people sleep on him, it's obvious he feels that he's much better. That's a fact. If he thought he was wack, he wouldn't want props. You think Dre's better, Quik thinks Dre is better. I think Quik is being humble, you don't. It's all opinion. You believe he doesn't want props, but from what I seen and heard he does. To me, that's fact not speculation.
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I'm not a very big fan of Quik's production at all, and IMO Dre is the greatest producer off all-time, so that should tell you whom I think is the better producer.
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It's pointless to argue over who's better. I think Quik is waaaaaaaay better, and always will be. Some people think the opposite. Doesn't bother me.
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IMO, quik is more musical, but dre's got the ear for quality.
and a commercial hit that appeals to the average hip hop fan
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LMAO. Just say that you bullshitted and can't write a classic. It's not that easy. Take the "truth" and "points" Dre made on "Say What You Say" and make it classic. It's the same as Dre telling you. Because that was just a stupid ass comment.
When fans of an artist don't give props to that artist, and give props to the one he's battling, who won? While you can get props even if you lose, usually fans of the opposite emcee will never give props to the loser.
Listen to the way Quik talks and how frustrated he gets when people sleep on him, it's obvious he feels that he's much better. That's a fact. If he thought he was wack, he wouldn't want props. You think Dre's better, Quik thinks Dre is better. I think Quik is being humble, you don't. It's all opinion. You believe he doesn't want props, but from what I seen and heard he does. To me, that's fact not speculation.
dude u should have got my point by now.. the lyrics are nothin special, I can write them, if everything else was the same (if I brought up the same points, Dre n Snoop would rap them over the same beat n shit) it would be a classic if i wrote them too.. I wouldn't have wrote that "bowowowow" shit but that's not Snoop's anyway so it doesn't matter, I could have written the rest of the text, but/cuz in this case the way it's written is not what makes the diss-track classic
last time I explained this^^
as for quik
what the fuck are u talkin about lol this shits gettin on my nervs, u keep bringing up shit that ain't even important for the point we disagree on.. I know Quik is frustrated, I know Quik wants his props, "You believe he doesn't want props" <-- what told I think so? I don't.. I was the one who first brought up Quik's frustration about being underrated so don't waste my time mayne..
according to ur thought process it's like this
I think I'm underrated, I am pissed about it --> I think I'm the best
and that's bullshit.. the only fact u stated is the fact that Quik is pissed.. but that doesn't imply he thinks he's the best, it's a totally different thing and many people are pissed about being underrated, yet not all of em feel like nobody's better than them
NOBODY said he feels he was wack (again I don't get for what reason u even said "If he thought he was wack, he wouldn't want props" at all..) he knows he's one of the best that's why he's pissed about being underrated but that doesn't mean he doesn't think Dre is better
so all we know is what he said and he said he thinks Dre is better so we have to believe he thinks Dre is better.. well u can believe whatever u want to, but u can NOT say he doesn't mean what he said, and put it like it was a fact, cuz that's just plain wrong and totally unbased
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LOL. You're just back peddling man. You said you could write a classic diss record. But, you can't. You're just talking and not walking. Lyrics matter the most in a diss. Fuck what you heard.
I could say: You swallow sperm. That's not a very hot line. But, like Masta Ace flipped it, "You can't spit so you obviously must swallow." That's hot. So, I really can't see what you're babbling about. Flow and beat are just added extras, if Eminem would've flipped Dre's lines better, it would've been hot. But, he didn't so it came out wack. It's all about how it's written.
You wouldn't think you're underrated unless you thought highly of yourself.
Neither of us talk to Quik, so we don't know if he was being sincere or humble, I think he was being humble, you think sincere. It's black and white.
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there's nothing special about the way it's said, I coulda written that
^^first time I mentioned this
the lyrics are nothin special, I can write them
^^last time.. no "back peddling" at all, it's exactly the same.. what I claimed is that I'm able to write lyrics which aren't special (they still could be the lyrics to a classic diss track).. the point of me saying that is obviously not that I'm a great writer (in that case u'd be right about me having to prove it) but that the one who wrote Dre Day wasn't a great writer either or at least he didn't show it in this diss..
tell me which lines from Dre Day are outstanding great..
and the example of that punchline is totally of point again.. wasn't u the one claiming lyrical skill doesn't even matter in a diss..? being able to write dope punchline is part of having lyrical skill, so u claiming the opposite of what u previously claimed.. weird
You wouldn't think you're underrated unless you thought highly of yourself.
as i told u before why this point ain't valid, lemme just quote myself again since u don't seem to have noticed.. "he knows he's one of the best that's why he's pissed about being underrated but that doesn't mean he doesn't think Dre is better" ... thinkin that u are the 2nd best producer in the world u are still thinkin highly of urself, aren't u..?
Neither of us talk to Quik, so we don't know if he was being sincere or humble, I think he was being humble, you think sincere. It's black and white.
as i told u before why this point ain't valid, lemme just quote myself again since u don't seem to have noticed.. "I don't have to guess on whether he has to hear he's the best or not, since none of us knows what's going on in his mind.. I can't and I don't have to prove what's goin on in his mind, it's not possible, get this already.. the only fact we got is what Quik says"
I guess u are tryin to piss me off by acting a retard but it ain't gon work
let's just summarize it like this
He'd like to get his props, but he doesn't need to hear his the best or anything, Quik knows it
Quik thinks Dre is better. I think Quik is being humble, you don't.
u were wrong, but that's okay.. the important thing is, u obviously realized it..
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IMO Both Quik & Dre are on the same level. But dre gets more recognition. They both produce the 'traditional' way. Both use live instruments, and don't record digitally. Both use musicians, both use ghost producers or co-producers. IMO, quik is more musical, but dre's got the ear for quality.
I agree with you there man.
I go with Dre he's my favourite artist of all time..
Quik is maybe on a higher level for certain things, but to me Im going with Dre.
its really just a matter of opinion